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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Belvis Noland on October 30, 2012, 10:26:47 AM
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Brad Edwards from ESPN on 810 this morning. Interesting perspective that I hadn't thought about.
We do not want Notre Dame to lose. Here's why:
-ND is behind KSU and ND won't be able to make up any ground with its pitiful schedule over the next month (Pitt, BC, Wake). They won their trophy game (OU) and they're still behind us. USC might be a 4 loss team by time ND plays them. ND isn't scary.
-ND loss allows Oregon to move up in the computers (which make up 1/3 of BCS standings), likely giving Oregon enough points to jump K-State in BCS. Basically, undefeated ND keeps Oregon's computer ranking lower, which in turn, keeps BCS ranking lower. Undefeated ND is our buffer.
These are the scenarios from best to worst:
1) 2 teams lose.
2) Alabama or Oregon lose.
3) All 4 teams remain undefeated.
4) Notre Dame is only team to lose.
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Firewall team
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yeah, we talked about that in the rankings thread
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Just another one of those guys who will make sure Notre Dame is in and the KSU Cats are out.
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No, they all need to lose. Oregon to USC twice. ND to USC. Bama to LSU and Georgia in the SEC champ. Then crap gets interesting.
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I'm going to LOL at the outraged indignation when an undefeated ND can't pass an undefeated K-State for number 2 in the BCS. It will be epic. :crossfingers:
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florida also needs to win out. that florida/florida state game at the end of the year could potentially be pretty huge for ksucats.
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I'm going to LOL at the outraged indignation when an undefeated ND can't pass an undefeated K-State for number 2 in the BCS. It will be epic. :crossfingers:
SUPERBUTTHURTKUFAN swears ND will blow us away in the BCS if we are both undefeated says. "WILL NOT BE CLOSE". Coaches and Harris will vote ND ahead of KSU to make sure it happens.
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I'm going to LOL at the outraged indignation when an undefeated ND can't pass an undefeated K-State for number 2 in the BCS. It will be epic. :crossfingers:
SUPERBUTTHURTKUFAN swears ND will blow us away in the BCS if we are both undefeated says. "WILL NOT BE CLOSE". Coaches and Harris will vote ND ahead of KSU to make sure it happens.
Then he's fixin to be EXTRAPRIMOSUPERBUTTHURTKUFAN.
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my ND friend and I joked before the season started about how we'd end up playing for the championship. Still kinda hoping that happens. Would love to see the great white hope destroy their Hawaiian dude with a skull crushing block while The Chamber walks in for his 4th td. :love:
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No, they all need to lose. Oregon to USC twice. ND to USC. Bama to LSU and Georgia in the SEC champ. Then crap gets interesting.
yup, that is exactly when crap gets interesting.
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what if every team lost all of their games from here on out? :surprised:
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All I want is an OCC (Outright Conference Championship).
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All I want is an OCC (Outright Conference Championship).
I'll be pretty damn satisfied if this happens, but goddammit, to quote the late great Freddie Mercury, I WANT IT ALL. Seasons like this are rare.
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at this point I would not absolutely be satisfied with an outright conference championship. that is baseline for not being meltdowny. undefeated and Fiesta Bowl is my current satisfied.
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Guys, we're going to get mumped. Stop trying to convince me we're not. :frown:
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If we go undefeated and don't go the MNC I will freak out.
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with threads like this, you can definitely tell who believes in fatty and who doesn't.
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my ND friend and I joked before the season started about how we'd end up playing for the championship. Still kinda hoping that happens. Would love to see the great white hope destroy their Hawaiian dude with a skull crushing block while The Chamber walks in for his 4th td. :love:
Impressive.
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i'm amazed we're able to have this conversation.
I predicted a 9 win season and a trip to the Holiday Bowl....That' could still happen if we implode.....but,......i'm just shaking my head that we're in the hunt AT ALL for a National Title. OMFG.
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All I want is an OCC (Outright Conference Championship).
I'll be pretty damn satisfied if this happens, but goddammit, to quote the late great Freddie Mercury, I WANT IT ALL. Seasons like this are rare.
same. Can't stress this enough. It's the only thing we can control, and it would be glorious
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on that note...how desperate will Ostate play? They still have a shot to win the Big XII...best among anyone not named KState. Will Gundy go full-fundy and just flea flicker us to death or will he run Randle to death? I can't tell. Just keep 'em in front of us...force a mistake...and let Klein go to work.
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at this point I would not absolutely be satisfied with an outright conference championship. that is baseline for not being meltdowny. undefeated and Fiesta Bowl is my current satisfied.
I think this would be the worst possible outcome (especially when get Boise or Louisville as our opponent). :barf:
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my ND friend and I joked before the season started about how we'd end up playing for the championship. Still kinda hoping that happens. Would love to see the great white hope destroy their Hawaiian dude with a skull crushing block while The Chamber walks in for his 4th td. :love:
Impressive.
Yeah I'm not sure I actually believe that OK actually has an ND friend
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most likely 2/4 will lose and it will be clear cut. the odds are way in favor of that. most likely candidates to lose a game are probably ND, Oregon, us and Bama in that order.
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at this point I would not absolutely be satisfied with an outright conference championship. that is baseline for not being meltdowny. undefeated and Fiesta Bowl is my current satisfied.
Yes, I'll be pissed if we lose a game now. We've come too far and we play a bunch of beatable teams. I mean, even if we don't have a great game against any of these teams we should still win, but honestly we should score 40 in every game the rest of the way.
We are that good.
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my ND friend and I joked before the season started about how we'd end up playing for the championship. Still kinda hoping that happens. Would love to see the great white hope destroy their Hawaiian dude with a skull crushing block while The Chamber walks in for his 4th td. :love:
Impressive.
Yeah I'm not sure I actually believe that OK actually has a friend
FYP
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most likely 2/4 will lose and it will be clear cut. the odds are way in favor of that. most likely candidates to lose a game are probably ND, Oregon, us and Bama in that order.
Who the hell do you think ND is going to lose to?
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most likely 2/4 will lose and it will be clear cut. the odds are way in favor of that. most likely candidates to lose a game are probably ND, Oregon, us and Bama in that order.
Who the hell do you think ND is going to lose to?
And why would Bama be the least likely to lose? They have two top 10 teams left to play.
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most likely 2/4 will lose and it will be clear cut. the odds are way in favor of that. most likely candidates to lose a game are probably ND, Oregon, us and Bama in that order.
Who the hell do you think ND is going to lose to?
At least one team will have an unexpected loss. It almost always happens; see Oklahoma State getting Rhoad last year.
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most likely 2/4 will lose and it will be clear cut. the odds are way in favor of that. most likely candidates to lose a game are probably ND, Oregon, us and Bama in that order.
Who the hell do you think ND is going to lose to?
At least one team will have an unexpected loss. It almost always happens; see Oklahoma State getting Rhoad last year.
Pittsburgh and Wake Forest are bad. It's like if OSU would have lost to KU last year. If anybody's going to lose, it's Oregon.
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my ND friend and I joked before the season started about how we'd end up playing for the championship. Still kinda hoping that happens. Would love to see the great white hope destroy their Hawaiian dude with a skull crushing block while The Chamber walks in for his 4th td. :love:
Impressive.
Yeah I'm not sure I actually believe that OK actually has an ND friend
:dunno: there's a fairly large catholic population in Oklahoma.
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most likely 2/4 will lose and it will be clear cut. the odds are way in favor of that. most likely candidates to lose a game are probably ND, Oregon, us and Bama in that order.
Who the hell do you think ND is going to lose to?
USC absolutely owns Notre Dame. It's worse than the CTR.
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http://outkickthecoverage.com/chances-bama-oregon-kansas-state-and-notre-dame-finish-undefeated-tiny.php
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my ND friend and I joked before the season started about how we'd end up playing for the championship. Still kinda hoping that happens. Would love to see the great white hope destroy their Hawaiian dude with a skull crushing block while The Chamber walks in for his 4th td. :love:
Impressive.
Yeah I'm not sure I actually believe that OK actually has an ND friend
:dunno: there's a fairly large catholic population in Oklahoma.
I just can't believe you found an ND fan with thick enough skin to put up with you.
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most likely 2/4 will lose and it will be clear cut. the odds are way in favor of that. most likely candidates to lose a game are probably ND, Oregon, us and Bama in that order.
Who the hell do you think ND is going to lose to?
At least one team will have an unexpected loss. It almost always happens; see Oklahoma State getting Rhoad last year.
Pittsburgh and Wake Forest are bad. It's like if OSU would have lost to KU last year. If anybody's going to lose, it's Oregon.
I see LSU beating Alabama. Also don't discount Pittsburgh. They will keep that game close
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From an article on ESPN (prolly Luked, but GFY)
Anyway, his latest formula calculates the chances of Bama, K-State, Oregon and Notre Dame entering the bowl season with undefeated records:
Notre Dame: 62.2 percent (remaining schedule: Pittsburgh, at Boston College, Wake Forest, at USC)
Alabama: 57.1 (at LSU, Texas A&M, FCS-member Western Carolina, playing-like-an-FCS-member Auburn)
K-State: 43.0 (Oklahoma State, at TCU, at Baylor, Texas)
Oregon: 18.9 (at USC, at Cal, Stanford, at Oregon State)
And the chances that all four of those teams go unbeaten: less than 2.9 percent
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/page/BMOC-103012/bmoc-salutes-kansas-state-coach-bill-snyder-heisman-race-more (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/page/BMOC-103012/bmoc-salutes-kansas-state-coach-bill-snyder-heisman-race-more)
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I do think LSU has a better shot at knocking off Alabama than people think, but I probably still only give them a 30% of winning.
Fun fact: That's the chance I gave us to win in Norman this year.
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Pittsburgh
Not much different than 2011 ISU.
Yeah, lost to FCS school, but also beat Virginia Tech and lost by 10 to undefeated Louisville. I'm not saying its likely, but they could beat ND.
I just hope we aren't the team that has the unexpected loss, but I don't expect us to be.
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my ND friend and I joked before the season started about how we'd end up playing for the championship. Still kinda hoping that happens. Would love to see the great white hope destroy their Hawaiian dude with a skull crushing block while The Chamber walks in for his 4th td. :love:
Impressive.
Yeah I'm not sure I actually believe that OK actually has an ND friend
:dunno: there's a fairly large catholic population in Oklahoma.
I just can't believe you found an ND fan with thick enough skin to put up with you.
this isn't real life, bro. :dunno:
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Pittsburgh
Not much different than 2011 ISU.
Yeah, lost to FCS school, but also beat Virginia Tech and lost by 10 to undefeated Louisville. I'm not saying its likely, but they could beat ND.
I just hope we aren't the team that has the unexpected loss, but I don't expect us to be.
As an outsider, I would probably pick us. But knowing our team, how humble they are, and how they respond to adversity, it's not going to be us.
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most likely 2/4 will lose and it will be clear cut. the odds are way in favor of that. most likely candidates to lose a game are probably ND, Oregon, us and Bama in that order.
Who the hell do you think ND is going to lose to?
anyone. just 10 days ago ND barely beat 5-4 BYU 20-17 at home. barely beat 3-5 Purdue at home earlier in the year. one bad day on offense and ND can lose to anyone.
most likely 2/4 will lose and it will be clear cut. the odds are way in favor of that. most likely candidates to lose a game are probably ND, Oregon, us and Bama in that order.
Who the hell do you think ND is going to lose to?
And why would Bama be the least likely to lose? They have two top 10 teams left to play.
because they're really good
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http://outkickthecoverage.com/chances-bama-oregon-kansas-state-and-notre-dame-finish-undefeated-tiny.php
PICKED TO BEAT ALL PUD CONTENDERS OTHER THAN 'BAMA, AND ALWAYS PICKED TO COVER THE SPREAD! :bill:
cool article
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http://outkickthecoverage.com/chances-bama-oregon-kansas-state-and-notre-dame-finish-undefeated-tiny.php
PICKED TO BEAT ALL PUD CONTENDERS OTHER THAN 'BAMA, AND ALWAYS PICKED TO COVER THE SPREAD! :bill:
cool article
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
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at this point I would not absolutely be satisfied with an outright conference championship. that is baseline for not being meltdowny. undefeated and Fiesta Bowl is my current satisfied.
Yes, I'll be pissed if we lose a game now. We've come too far and we play a bunch of beatable teams. I mean, even if we don't have a great game against any of these teams we should still win, but honestly we should score 40 in every game the rest of the way.
We are that good.
_fan, can anyone stop Klein and Co.? I keep thinking someone will slow us down but we've scored 8 straight times in the last two games.
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Prediction Machine
Kansas State Wildcats
Games Remaining: 4
Undefeated Chances: 27.7%
Closest Remaining Game: at TCU (November 10)
Alabama vs. Kansas State
Todd Furhman Line: Alabama -10.5
PredictionMachine.com Projected Score: Alabama 31 – Kansas State 23
PredictionMachine.com Projected Win Percentage: Alabama wins 62.7%
Hypothetical ATS Pick: Kansas State +10.5
Oregon vs. Kansas State
Todd Furhman Line: Oregon -5
PredictionMachine.com Projected Score: Kansas State 37 – Oregon 34
PredictionMachine.com Projected Win Percentage: Kansas State wins 54.2%
Hypothetical ATS Pick: Kansas State +5
Kansas State vs. Notre Dame
Todd Furhman Line: Kansas State -2.5
PredictionMachine.com Projected Score: Kansas State 31 – Notre Dame 27
PredictionMachine.com Projected Win Percentage: Kansas State wins 55.5%
Hypothetical ATS Pick: Kansas State -2.5
Kansas State vs. Florida State
Todd Furhman Line: Florida State -2.5
PredictionMachine.com Projected Score: Kansas State 35 – Florida State 21
PredictionMachine.com Projected Win Percentage: Kansas State wins 73.0%
Hypothetical ATS Pick: Kansas State +2.5 (big)
Kansas State vs. Florida
Todd Furhman Line: Florida -1
PredictionMachine.com Projected Score: Kansas State 30 – Florida 21
PredictionMachine.com Projected Win Percentage: Kansas State wins 67.3%
Hypothetical ATS Pick: Kansas State +1 (big)
Kansas State vs. LSU
Todd Furhman Line: LSU -1
PredictionMachine.com Projected Score: Kansas State 28 – LSU 20
PredictionMachine.com Projected Win Percentage: Kansas State wins 64.4%
Hypothetical ATS Pick: Kansas State +1
•Chances there are still six undefeated FBS teams on December 2 (after conference title games): 0.06% (or 1-in-1718)
•Chances Alabama, Notre Dame, Kansas State and Oregon are undefeated on December 2: 1.22% (or 1-in-82)
•Chances Notre Dame, Kansas State and Oregon are undefeated on December 2: 2.23% (or 1-in-45)
•Chances Oregon is undefeated and Kansas State and Notre Dame are not on December 2: 8.79% (or 1-in-11)
•Chances Notre Dame is undefeated and Kansas State and Oregon are not on December 2: 22.96% (or 1-in-4)
•Chances Kansas State is undefeated and Oregon and Notre Dame are not on December 2: 13.31% (or 1-in-8)
•Chances that Louisville is the only undefeated FBS (BCS eligible) team on December 2: 2.62% (or 1-in-38)
•Chances that Alabama is the only undefeated FBS (BCS eligible) team on December 2: 15.83% (or 1-in-38)
•Chances that both Alabama and Oregon lose in their respective conference championship games: 4.28% (or 1-in-23)
•Chances that no FBS team is undefeated on December 2: 9.35% (or 1-in-11)
•Chances that Alabama, Oregon, Notre Dame and Kansas State all have at least one loss on December 2: 15.75% (or 1-in-6)
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at this point I would not absolutely be satisfied with an outright conference championship. that is baseline for not being meltdowny. undefeated and Fiesta Bowl is my current satisfied.
Yes, I'll be pissed if we lose a game now. We've come too far and we play a bunch of beatable teams. I mean, even if we don't have a great game against any of these teams we should still win, but honestly we should score 40 in every game the rest of the way.
We are that good.
_fan, can anyone stop Klein and Co.? I keep thinking someone will slow us down but we've scored 8 straight times in the last two games.
I would be worried about us slipping up, but we are so consistent that I just don't see it.
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at this point I would not absolutely be satisfied with an outright conference championship. that is baseline for not being meltdowny. undefeated and Fiesta Bowl is my current satisfied.
Yes, I'll be pissed if we lose a game now. We've come too far and we play a bunch of beatable teams. I mean, even if we don't have a great game against any of these teams we should still win, but honestly we should score 40 in every game the rest of the way.
We are that good.
_fan, can anyone stop Klein and Co.? I keep thinking someone will slow us down but we've scored 8 straight times in the last two games.
ISU did the best of anyone, and that's the only game under 5.0 YPP we've had all year.
OSU is the best defense we play the rest of the year and they haven't allowed any opponent to gain more than 6 YPP all year.
TCU is okay, but 3 of their last 4 opponents have gained 6.0 or better.
Baylor and Texas both have pretty bad defenses and both give up about 6.3 YPP right now.
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at this point I would not absolutely be satisfied with an outright conference championship. that is baseline for not being meltdowny. undefeated and Fiesta Bowl is my current satisfied.
Yes, I'll be pissed if we lose a game now. We've come too far and we play a bunch of beatable teams. I mean, even if we don't have a great game against any of these teams we should still win, but honestly we should score 40 in every game the rest of the way.
We are that good.
_fan, can anyone stop Klein and Co.? I keep thinking someone will slow us down but we've scored 8 straight times in the last two games.
ISU did the best of anyone, and that's the only game under 5.0 YPP we've had all year.
OSU is the best defense we play the rest of the year and they haven't allowed any opponent to gain more than 6 YPP all year.
TCU is okay, but 3 of their last 4 opponents have gained 6.0 or better.
Baylor and Texas both have pretty bad defenses and both give up about 6.3 YPP right now.
:ohno:
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ISU did the best of anyone, and that's the only game under 5.0 YPP we've had all year.
OSU is the best defense we play the rest of the year and they haven't allowed any opponent to gain more than 6 YPP all year.
TCU is okay, but 3 of their last 4 opponents have gained 6.0 or better.
Baylor and Texas both have pretty bad defenses and both give up about 6.3 YPP right now.
:ohno:
To be fair, OSU's defense has faced the worst 4 offenses (by YPP) in the Big 12. The best offense they played all year (Arizona) put up 59 against them and even Texas scored 41.
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ISU did the best of anyone, and that's the only game under 5.0 YPP we've had all year.
OSU is the best defense we play the rest of the year and they haven't allowed any opponent to gain more than 6 YPP all year.
TCU is okay, but 3 of their last 4 opponents have gained 6.0 or better.
Baylor and Texas both have pretty bad defenses and both give up about 6.3 YPP right now.
:ohno:
To be fair, OSU's defense has faced the worst 4 offenses (by YPP) in the Big 12. The best offense they played all year (Arizona) put up 59 against them and even Texas scored 41.
That's what I figured. Seems like they were exposed early, and now just haven't played a good offense.
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That's what I figured. Seems like they were exposed early, and now just haven't played a good offense.
Yeah, that was also their only real road game as well. I don't really count at KU because besides being at KU they also had an 80 minute weather delay.
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most likely 2/4 will lose and it will be clear cut. the odds are way in favor of that. most likely candidates to lose a game are probably ND, Oregon, us and Bama in that order.
I hope somebody else said this before me, but Bama still has to play LSU on the road and the SEC championship game. We have the best odds of winning out.
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Pitt upsetting ND will make College Football Final very interesting, Lou has really been rubbing ND in Mark Mays face and May is a Pitt alum
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I have a weird feeling that LSU is going to beat Alabama.
I mean, it's not really a stretch to say that the #5 team will beat the #1 team at home, but I think it's going to be close, and I think Miles is going to beat Bama.
I also woke up this morning with a weird feeling that we'll play Notre Dame in the BCS title game, which I would just die over.
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Pitt upsetting ND will make College Football Final very interesting, Lou has really been rubbing ND in Mark Mays face and May is a Pitt alum
That's not very high on my list of reasons I'd want that to happen
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I have a weird feeling that LSU is going to beat Alabama.
I mean, it's not really a stretch to say that the #5 team will beat the #1 team at home, but I think it's going to be close, and I think Miles is going to beat Bama.
I also woke up this morning with a weird feeling that we'll play Notre Dame in the BCS title game, which I would just die over.
Seems very possible. Probably a 60/40 game. One turnover or special teams play can swing the whole game when you're in a battle of field goals.
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I have a weird feeling that LSU is going to beat Alabama.
I mean, it's not really a stretch to say that the #5 team will beat the #1 team at home, but I think it's going to be close, and I think Miles is going to beat Bama.
I also woke up this morning with a weird feeling that we'll play Notre Dame in the BCS title game, which I would just die over.
Corso predicted EMAW v. ND in the title about three or four weeks ago I think and everyone else LOL'd.
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I have a weird feeling that LSU is going to beat Alabama.
I mean, it's not really a stretch to say that the #5 team will beat the #1 team at home, but I think it's going to be close, and I think Miles is going to beat Bama.
I also woke up this morning with a weird feeling that we'll play Notre Dame in the BCS title game, which I would just die over.
it is a stretch when the #1 team has the best defense in college football and the #5 team has a terrible quarterback. Their QB this year is worse than jefferson was last year. Also, AJ McCarron is good.
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I have a weird feeling that LSU is going to beat Alabama.
I mean, it's not really a stretch to say that the #5 team will beat the #1 team at home, but I think it's going to be close, and I think Miles is going to beat Bama.
I also woke up this morning with a weird feeling that we'll play Notre Dame in the BCS title game, which I would just die over.
it is a stretch when the #1 team has the best defense in college football and the #5 team has a terrible quarterback. Their QB this year is worse than jefferson was last year. Also, AJ McCarron is good.
Maybe they'll have another 5 FG overtime thriller! :dance:
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I want whatever scenario gets KSU into the title game. Bama losing seems to be the best thing for the to me.
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In celebration of our #2 ranking I bet a parlay of money line for Pitt, USC, and LSU to win :)$20 to pay $2020. Go cats! :emawkid:
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I have a weird feeling that LSU is going to beat Alabama.
I mean, it's not really a stretch to say that the #5 team will beat the #1 team at home, but I think it's going to be close, and I think Miles is going to beat Bama.
I also woke up this morning with a weird feeling that we'll play Notre Dame in the BCS title game, which I would just die over.
it is a stretch when the #1 team has the best defense in college football and the #5 team has a terrible quarterback. Their QB this year is worse than jefferson was last year. Also, AJ McCarron is good.
Maybe they'll have another 5 FG overtime thriller! :dance:
i could see LSU winning. i mean, it's DEATH VALLEY at NIGHT.
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In celebration of our #2 ranking I bet a parlay of money line for Pitt, USC, and LSU to win :)$20 to pay $2020. Go cats! :emawkid:
So will you be funding the MNC pak?
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The only scenario that I would be satisfied with is an undefeated season capped off by demolishing Alabama in the MNC after every pundit in the world championed them as the greatest team in the history of CFB. Every other team must have at least one loss as well to ensure those puds can't stake a claim to our championship.
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I have a weird feeling that LSU is going to beat Alabama.
I mean, it's not really a stretch to say that the #5 team will beat the #1 team at home, but I think it's going to be close, and I think Miles is going to beat Bama.
I also woke up this morning with a weird feeling that we'll play Notre Dame in the BCS title game, which I would just die over.
it is a stretch when the #1 team has the best defense in college football and the #5 team has a terrible quarterback. Their QB this year is worse than jefferson was last year. Also, AJ McCarron is good.
This isn't saying much...but this is the smartest thing Kim has ever said...ever.
Unless McCracken has a bad day & LSU's D REALLY steps up, LSU has no chance
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ya, lsu is kind of a joke you guys. esp. on offense
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LSU has a 22 game winning streak at home. I still only give them a 33% chance of winning, and it may be closer to 25-30% if I'm being honest with myself. What are Oregon's chances of losing? About the same?
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Does ISU beating OU work out better for KState? It would lower Notre Dame's SOS, and have no effect on KState.
ISU is the best team KState has played and probably will play all season.
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Does ISU beating OU work out better for KState? It would lower Notre Dame's SOS, and have no effect on KState.
ISU is the best team KState has played and probably will play all season.
OU is a talking pt more than a stat. no one is going to say, "KSU should play in the nc because of their strong isu win." also, we're less worried about nd, and more worried about oregon.
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This seems useful to know... sorry if Luked.
With four undefeated teams on top and Oregon moving into the No. 3 spot in this week's BCS standings, the race for the BCS National Championship Game is hitting the home stretch.
The No. 1 Alabama Crimson Tide showed vulnerability Saturday at LSU, so nobody should be putting the Tide in the national title game just yet. But if Bama stays undefeated, the battle for the No. 2 spot could be compelling over the next four weeks.
Notre Dame is a long shot because of its position in the polls and remaining schedule. Looking at the point totals in the Harris and coaches' polls, simple math says the Irish are sitting at No. 4 on almost every ballot (worse than fourth by a few coaches), and their potential to move up is limited by having the weakest remaining schedule of the four contenders. But the Irish can still have a big impact on the race for No. 2 by affecting the computer rankings of Kansas State and Oregon.
Game results of past opponents and records of future opponents can have an influence on computers and voters. With that in mind, here are 12 games not involving the Wildcats and Ducks that could play a part in deciding which team ultimately gains the edge in the BCS standings:
12. Louisville Cardinals at Syracuse Orange (Nov. 10)
The impact would be minor, but little things can add up in the computers. Because USC beat Syracuse earlier in the season, a win by the Orange over undefeated Louisville would improve USC's schedule strength. And because Oregon and Notre Dame both play USC (the Ducks have already beaten the Trojans), this upset would give them a slight boost as well. Kansas State fans should be rooting for Louisville.
11. Michigan Wolverines at Ohio State Buckeyes (Nov. 24)
With Michigan being one of the better wins this season for Notre Dame and Alabama, those teams would both gain strength in the computers if the Wolverines go on the road and knock off what will be either an 11-0 or 10-1 Ohio State. Alabama will probably finish No. 1 in most of the computers if it wins out, so this isn't as big of a deal for the Tide as it is for the Irish. The truth of the matter is that it's hard to say whether Notre Dame being strengthened in the computers is good or bad for Kansas State. On one hand, it will make it more difficult for Oregon to jump Notre Dame. On the other hand, it might cause the Irish to finish ahead of the Wildcats in some ratings. Either way, it's sure to have an impact.
10. ACC Championship Game (Dec. 1)
If Miami can beat Virginia and Duke, it will win the ACC Coastal Division and could play an 11-1 Florida State in the conference title game. If that scenario plays out, an upset win by Miami over the highly ranked Seminoles would strengthen the computer profile of Kansas State and Notre Dame, since both beat the Hurricanes this season. Having a victory over another major-conference champion could help KSU with some voters in the résumé test against Oregon.
9. Stanford Cardinal at UCLA Bruins (Nov. 24)
On the surface, this looks like a game that Oregon would prefer to be won by Stanford, because the Ducks play the Cardinal (Nov. 17) and don't play the Bruins. But as of now, UCLA is the best possible opponent for Oregon in the Pac-12 Championship Game, and if the Bruins can get past USC, they should be 9-2 going into the Stanford game. Playing a 10-2 UCLA in the conference title game is the best-case scenario for the Ducks in the computers. Getting to play a team they haven't already beaten would probably make it the best-case scenario with the voters as well. Since Stanford is also a Notre Dame opponent, a win by the Bruins over the Cardinal would help Oregon gain on the Irish in the computers.
8. USC Trojans at UCLA Bruins (Nov. 17)
This game is significant for the same reason as the Stanford-UCLA game, because it gives Oregon a chance to play a 10-2 opponent in the Pac-12 title game.
But it's even more important to the BCS race, because a win by USC would set up the possibility that the Trojans could capture the Pac-12 South but lose to Notre Dame the following week, leaving the Ducks with a four-loss opponent in the conference championship game -- an opponent they already scored 62 points against on the road. And a USC win over UCLA would help Notre Dame's schedule strength.
7. Iowa State Cyclones at Texas Longhorns (Nov. 10)
6. TCU Horned Frogs at Texas Longhorns (Nov. 22)
It would have been hard to imagine after Texas' 63-21 loss to Oklahoma on Oct. 13, but if the Longhorns win these two games, they will be 9-2 going into the regular-season finale at Kansas State. The Wildcats are hurt by not having a conference championship game, like Oregon does, to get one extra game against a quality opponent.
But if Texas has only two losses when it plays K-State, the Wildcats would at least have the advantage of playing a higher-ranked opponent than Oregon on the season's final weekend. The Pac-12 title game is on Friday night, so KSU has the opportunity to make the closing argument of the national championship race on Saturday, Dec. 1. That makes these two games crucial for Kansas State to maximize the computer and poll impact of a win over Texas.
5. Oregon State Beavers at Stanford Cardinal (Nov. 10)
Oregon still has to play both of these teams, so the result of this game will have minimal influence on the computer rankings for the Ducks. But there's no question that an Oregon State win would put the Beavers in great position to be 10-1 going into The Civil War on Nov. 24, with only a home game against struggling Cal in between. OSU entering the Oregon game with only one loss would almost certainly make it a top-10 matchup, which is probably Oregon's only chance to get a top-10 win in the regular season. This could be a big deal if enough voters are comparing résumés -- and, therefore, best wins -- among the contending teams. Plus, it would give Oregon the opportunity to beat a top-10 team on a day that Kansas State doesn't play, which could be valuable to the Ducks in the polls. As is the case with the Stanford-UCLA game, the result Oregon needs would also hurt Notre Dame in the computers.
4. Oklahoma Sooners at West Virginia Mountaineers (Nov. 17)
3. Oklahoma State at Oklahoma (Nov. 24)
2. Oklahoma at TCU (Dec. 1)
Apologies to Baylor for assuming the Bears will lose in Norman this weekend, but I'm not making any assumptions on these other three games. All, however, are important to the Sooners winning out and finishing with a 10-2 record and a top-10 ranking. This would ensure both Kansas State and Notre Dame of having a win of higher quality than anything Oregon will have on its résumé. Even if Oregon State finishes 10-2, it won't be ranked as high as Oklahoma. That will be of value to the Wildcats and Irish in some computers, and it will be a consideration of some voters, especially since both teams won in Norman.
1. Notre Dame Fighting Irish at USC (Nov. 24)
As mentioned earlier, if USC has already won the Pac-12 South but loses this game to Notre Dame, it weakens the potential for Oregon's closing argument on Nov. 30. But this game sits at the top of the list because of the impact a USC win would likely have on the BCS race. Assuming Kansas State doesn't get much closer to Oregon in the polls, the Wildcats need to maintain a comfortable margin over the Ducks in the computers to have any chance of holding them off for the No. 2 spot.
That would be accomplished predominantly by having Notre Dame sit as a buffer team between Kansas State and Oregon in several computer ratings. A Notre Dame loss would allow the Ducks to rise another spot in every computer and gain enough ground on KSU in that part of the formula to take over second in the BCS standings. Barring a loss by Alabama or Oregon, Notre Dame falling to USC would more than likely end any chance Kansas State has of reaching this season's national championship game.
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thanks for posting.
there are a lot of important games in the pac12 left
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And Utah who Oregon doesn't play this year has Arizona, Colorado and Washington left,Oregon plays all 3,so I guess Utah winning any of those games hurts Oregon...Go Utes
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And Utah who Oregon doesn't play this year has Arizona, Colorado and Washington left,Oregon plays all 3,so I guess Utah winning any of those games hurts Oregon...Go Utes
great point frankenstein
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all those utah games are very winnable
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And Utah who Oregon doesn't play this year has Arizona, Colorado and Washington left,Oregon plays all 3,so I guess Utah winning any of those games hurts Oregon...Go Utes
Also, UCLA beating Washington State (pud), USC and Stanford (Both at home), would do wonders.
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And Utah who Oregon doesn't play this year has Arizona, Colorado and Washington left,Oregon plays all 3,so I guess Utah winning any of those games hurts Oregon...Go Utes
Also, UCLA beating Washington State (pud), USC and Stanford (Both at home), would do wonders.
:dubious:
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I have a weird feeling USC has the best chance to beat UO in the ship. So I guess I want USC to do whatever it takes to lose as much as possible but still contend for a South PAC berth. I just don't see UCLA doing it.
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And Utah who Oregon doesn't play this year has Arizona, Colorado and Washington left,Oregon plays all 3,so I guess Utah winning any of those games hurts Oregon...Go Utes
Also, UCLA beating Washington State (pud), USC and Stanford (Both at home), would do wonders.
but that would put ucla at 10-2 and in the pac12 title game.we need the scenario that has ucla beating WSU and stanford but losing their game and division to usc who hopefully loses to ND and limps into the pac12 title game an 8-4 team I think :dunno:
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And Utah who Oregon doesn't play this year has Arizona, Colorado and Washington left,Oregon plays all 3,so I guess Utah winning any of those games hurts Oregon...Go Utes
Also, UCLA beating Washington State (pud), USC and Stanford (Both at home), would do wonders.
but that would put ucla at 10-2 and in the pac12 title game.we need the scenario that has ucla beating WSU and stanford but losing their game and division to usc who hopefully loses to ND and limps into the pac12 title game an 8-4 team I think :dunno:
yeah, I think that would be fantastic.
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So much to cheer for in the next few weeks :emawkid:
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So much to cheer for in the next few weeks :emawkid:
I'm not sure I can keep count. So far I've got Florida, Georgia, Notre Dame, A&M, Utah, anyone playing Oregon?
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So much to cheer for in the next few weeks :emawkid:
I'm not sure I can keep count. So far I've got Florida, Georgia, Notre Dame, A&M, Utah, anyone playing Oregon?
Also Miami who is still in contention for the ACC. That would help tremendously to say we have a (blowout) win over the ACC champ when it comes to comparing against Oregon. :lynchmob: <- But with the U thingy
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DJDT says to root for Alabama because them losing would muddy the waters and they'd still finish ahead of undefeated EMAW.
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DJDT says to root for Alabama because them losing would muddy the waters and they'd still finish ahead of undefeated EMAW.
I think we all already knew to root against Alabama, but it's always great to get confirmation from DJDT.
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DJDT says to root for Alabama because them losing would muddy the waters and they'd still finish ahead of undefeated EMAW.
I think we all already knew to root against Alabama, but it's always great to get confirmation from DJDT.
I'm not sure you read Trim's post correctly.
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DJDT says to root for Alabama because them losing would muddy the waters and they'd still finish ahead of undefeated EMAW.
I think we all already knew to root against Alabama, but it's always great to get confirmation from DJDT.
I'm not sure you read Trim's post correctly.
No he read it correctly.
He has HDJDTIQ.
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DJDT says to root for Alabama because them losing would muddy the waters and they'd still finish ahead of undefeated EMAW.
I think we all already knew to root against Alabama, but it's always great to get confirmation from DJDT.
I'm not sure you read Trim's post correctly.
Oh, I read it correctly. DJDT is batting 1.000 when it comes to being wrong about everything K-State, so this just lets us know we are right and an Alabama loss would put us at #1.
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Shut up guys, I haven't had my coffee yet.
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:lol: