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Title: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: emawer on October 30, 2012, 08:41:22 AM: Side note, how much better would K-state have been with freeman and not gregory or whoever?
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: wetwillie on October 30, 2012, 08:42:25 AM: You are a horrible human being
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: steve dave on October 30, 2012, 08:44:03 AM: much worse?
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: puniraptor on October 30, 2012, 08:55:56 AM: however much better carrying the ball 30 times a game makes you.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: ew2x4 on October 30, 2012, 08:57:15 AM: Yeah, nothing like learning a new system that doesn't fit your style of play your senior year.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 30, 2012, 09:09:58 AM: Would he have gotten to play OSU every game?
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: RickRampus on October 30, 2012, 09:13:01 AM: clown question
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: The1BigWillie on October 30, 2012, 09:14:36 AM: Let me tuck my shirt in real tight and think about that one for a while.

:powerespect:
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: shivvyman on October 30, 2012, 10:33:18 AM: Could care less. Doubt it would have changed W/L column for the team.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: steve dave on October 30, 2012, 10:37:52 AM: Quote from: shivvyman on October 30, 2012, 10:33:18 AM
Could care less. Doubt it would have changed W/L column for the team.

the team would have been MUCH better with Freeman. ridiculous post.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: MadCat on October 30, 2012, 10:40:48 AM: |-(]8-B
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: michigancat on October 30, 2012, 10:41:36 AM: You would think people here would give Snyder enough credit to realize he wouldn't have run Freeman 30 times a game.

It wouldn't have done Freeman any good, but it would have done the cats a hell of a lot of good.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: Winters on October 30, 2012, 10:51:52 AM: I'm glad everything happened the way it did.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: star seed 7 on October 30, 2012, 10:59:05 AM: Quote from: michigancat on October 30, 2012, 10:41:36 AM
You would think people here would give Snyder enough credit to realize he wouldn't have run Freeman 30 times a game.

It wouldn't have done Freeman any good, but it would have done the cats a hell of a lot of good.

yup.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: Perry on October 30, 2012, 11:09:55 AM: Love Queso, but he would have looked a lot more pud following Freeman than he did following Gregory. Not that Juan Completion Percentage Valdez looked pud following Gregory
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: ChiComCat on October 30, 2012, 12:26:00 PM: We would've won more and Freeman would've gone in the 3rd round
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: Skipper44 on October 30, 2012, 12:32:30 PM: Quote from: steve dave on October 30, 2012, 10:37:52 AM
Quote from: shivvyman on October 30, 2012, 10:33:18 AM
Could care less. Doubt it would have changed W/L column for the team.

the team would have been MUCH better with Freeman. ridiculous post.
We definitely beat ULL meaning that team goes to a bowl. We would of had a great shot at winning in Lincoln and then a guaranteed win in the Dr Pepper vs UT.

As far as if it would of benefited Freems, I think he goes #3 overall to Tampa at best in the 2010 draft - probably $35M guaranteed. He got $26M and I tend to think the injury risk and loss of a year of compensation is not worth the chance of $10M at best.

So Freems leaving may have cost us Dr. Pepper and BCS appearance but it was the smart move for the Freeman family.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: SdK on October 30, 2012, 01:41:11 PM: Much better in my eyes, in my heart, and in my mind.

As far as being a better player? probably negligible.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: ednksu on October 30, 2012, 01:49:50 PM: pro tip: Freeman sucked as a college qb
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 30, 2012, 01:57:04 PM: Josh Freeman is the best QB in the history of Kansas State football.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: 8manpick on October 30, 2012, 01:58:02 PM: Quote from: ednksu on October 30, 2012, 01:49:50 PM
pro tip: Freeman sucked as a college qb

pro tip: You are wrong.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 30, 2012, 02:00:08 PM: Quote from: ednksu on October 30, 2012, 01:49:50 PM
pro tip: Freeman sucked as a college qb

You are the tuck version of kim carnes, except not funny.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: emawer on October 30, 2012, 02:02:00 PM: I guess my question should have been how much would KSU have been. I contend pretty good. Having someone who could actually throw would have opened the running game for D-Train, i mean he lead the Big 12 in rushing that year anyway.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: ChiComCat on October 30, 2012, 02:07:51 PM: Quote from: emawer on October 30, 2012, 02:02:00 PM
I guess my question should have been how much would KSU have been. I contend pretty good. Having someone who could actually throw would have opened the running game for D-Train, i mean he lead the Big 12 in rushing that year anyway.

We had no defense and Freeman turned the ball over lots. Would've still lost a lot of games, no matter how good the O
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: EMAWzified on October 30, 2012, 02:11:54 PM: Quote
Josh Freeman is the best QB in the history of Kansas State football.

Perhaps the most talented. Not the best.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 30, 2012, 02:21:30 PM: Quote from: EMAWzified on October 30, 2012, 02:11:54 PM
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Josh Freeman is the best QB in the history of Kansas State football.

Perhaps the most talented. Not the best.

He was forced into bad situations because he was trying to win. Collin Klein would be complete dogshit if he had the O-Line Freeman was playing behind.

No offense to Collin. But he's not Josh.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: Benja on October 30, 2012, 02:25:09 PM: Lol, freeman was fine. Great qb for us on awful teams. Our first legit nfl QB. Good guy. I appreciate prince for getting us freemaw as well. Wouldn't change a thing.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 30, 2012, 02:31:44 PM: Quote from: Benja on October 30, 2012, 02:25:09 PM
Lol, freeman was fine. Great qb for us on awful teams. Our first legit nfl QB. Good guy. I appreciate prince for getting us freemaw as well. Wouldn't change a thing.

Freeman was not our first legit nfl guy. Grogan, Dickey, Manucci? I meant ever.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 30, 2012, 02:37:54 PM: Freeman to Collin Klein touchdowns
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: Benja on October 30, 2012, 02:42:57 PM: Quote from: Ira Hayes on October 30, 2012, 02:31:44 PM
Quote from: Benja on October 30, 2012, 02:25:09 PM
Lol, freeman was fine. Great qb for us on awful teams. Our first legit nfl QB. Good guy. I appreciate prince for getting us freemaw as well. Wouldn't change a thing.
Freeman was not our first legit nfl guy. Grogan, Dickey, Manucci? I meant ever.

Those sound like made up names.
Title: Re: How much better would Freeman be if he had stayed his Senior year under Snyder?
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 30, 2012, 03:17:46 PM: Quote from: Benja on October 30, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
Quote from: Ira Hayes on October 30, 2012, 02:31:44 PM
Quote from: Benja on October 30, 2012, 02:25:09 PM
Lol, freeman was fine. Great qb for us on awful teams. Our first legit nfl QB. Good guy. I appreciate prince for getting us freemaw as well. Wouldn't change a thing.
Freeman was not our first legit nfl guy. Grogan, Dickey, Manucci? I meant ever.

Those sound like made up names.

Real names. Real NFL QBs.

Just found this Freeman/Grogan comparison by some stat geek from last week. It made me smile: http://www.footballperspective.com/checkdowns-josh-freeman-is-three-parts-steve-grogan-one-part-eli-manning/