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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: J on October 24, 2012, 10:30:09 AM
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r we going to be good this year?
please respond
(LBBIQ'ers please leave and burn your hard drive too)
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define good
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This is gonna go well.
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FiF
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I think we'll finish better than fifth.
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KU
Baylor
Texas
WV
OU, KSU, OSU, ISU
TCU
TT
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WTF is oscar going to do with Gip?
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This team has the talent to finish 2nd in the Big 12. So we will finish 7th.
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This team has the talent to finish 2nd in the Big 12. So we will finish 7th.
we're not that talented. your opinion has been dismissed.
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This team has the talent to finish 2nd in the Big 12. So we will finish 7th.
we're not that talented. your opinion has been dismissed.
What rosters would you take over our's in the Big12?
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We will be ok. But it won't be very fun.
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This team has the talent to finish 2nd in the Big 12. So we will finish 7th.
we're not that talented. your opinion has been dismissed.
What rosters would you take over our's in the Big12?
a big issue we have is that the talent on our roster was put together for a different system then it will be playing in this season.
but to answer your question i'd take texas, oklahoma state, ku, baylor, and maybe coal aggie's roster
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4th
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We will be ok. But it won't be very fun.
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This team has the talent to finish 2nd in the Big 12. So we will finish 7th.
we're not that talented. your opinion has been dismissed.
What rosters would you take over our's in the Big12?
a big issue we have is that the talent on our roster was put together for a different system then it will be playing in this season.
but to answer your question i'd take texas, oklahoma state, ku, baylor, and maybe coal aggie's roster
so this will be the excuse? w/out regard to consideration that a good/decent coach takes the talent available and designs/adjusts the offense around that? Mike DeCoursey basically said this morning that oscar's problem is that he can't/hasn't been able to get or adjust to the talent on his roster for the offense he wants to run.
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you effers still haven't figured out how good Angel is.... Angel, Gruds and JO is a hell of a trio. Any thing less then 3rd in the league isn't acceptable. Next year we are going to be in middle of the back unless everybody makes incredible improvements.
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This team has the talent to finish 2nd in the Big 12. So we will finish 7th.
we're not that talented. your opinion has been dismissed.
What rosters would you take over our's in the Big12?
a big issue we have is that the talent on our roster was put together for a different system then it will be playing in this season.
but to answer your question i'd take texas, oklahoma state, ku, baylor, and maybe coal aggie's roster
so this will be the excuse? w/out regard to consideration that a good/decent coach takes the talent available and designs/adjusts the offense around that? Mike DeCoursey basically said this morning that oscar's problem is that he can't/hasn't been able to get or adjust to the talent on his roster for the offense he wants to run.
you can use whatever term for it you want, but I really think you're a complete rough ridin' idiot if you don't think certain players fit in certain systems.
and oscar can eat a dick.
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Seems like we have a bunch of eat-a-dick savants around here.
Maybe we should all just take a step back.
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Well obviously the players oscar recruited at Illinois didn't fit into his system, or if they did his system is garbage. So maybe the players here will fit into his system since he didn't recruit them.
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Well obviously the players oscar recruited at Illinois didn't fit into his system, or if they did his system is garbage. So maybe the players here will fit into his system since he didn't recruit them.
well obviously you think they do, since you a)reposted what zacker said, and b) think we're going to be competing with KU, Baylor, et all.
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attendance is going to suck until after the MNC, and then they had better be pretty good for it to get better
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i'm really interested to see OSU play this season
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you effers still haven't figured out how good Angel is.... Angel, Gruds and JO is a hell of a trio. Any thing less then 3rd in the league isn't acceptable. Next year we are going to be in middle of the back unless everybody makes incredible improvements.
Yes
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Should easily make the NCAA tournament.
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This team has the talent to finish 2nd in the Big 12. So we will finish 7th.
we're not that talented. your opinion has been dismissed.
What rosters would you take over our's in the Big12?
a big issue we have is that the talent on our roster was put together for a different system then it will be playing in this season.
but to answer your question i'd take texas, oklahoma state, ku, baylor, and maybe coal aggie's roster
so this will be the excuse? w/out regard to consideration that a good/decent coach takes the talent available and designs/adjusts the offense around that? Mike DeCoursey basically said this morning that oscar's problem is that he can't/hasn't been able to get or adjust to the talent on his roster for the offense he wants to run.
you can use whatever term for it you want, but I really think you're a complete rough ridin' idiot if you don't think certain players fit in certain systems.
and oscar can eat a dick.
I’m not saying certain players don’t fit certain systems better, I’m saying that a good coach will adjust (or has the ability to adjust).
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Upper half of the league and an NCAA tournament team.
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I think this team will rise and fall based on JO's 3pt percentage.
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Well we won't be having battles about November basketball, or a slow conference start but we won't be :love: over February either. In the end it will all even out and we'll have a similar record as we have in the past. I say 2nd tier of conference teams and a seed as high as 7 as low as 10.
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Well we won't be having battles about November basketball, or a slow conference start but we won't be :love: over February either. In the end it will all even out and we'll have a similar record as we have in the past. I say 2nd tier of conference teams and a seed as high as 7 as low as 10.
Frankruary :cry:
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Well we won't be having battles about November basketball, or a slow conference start but we won't be :love: over February either. In the end it will all even out and we'll have a similar record as we have in the past. I say 2nd tier of conference teams and a seed as high as 7 as low as 10.
Frankruary :cry:
I typed Frankurary and got auto-corrected. I guess android is #teamdax
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Upper half of the league and an NCAA tournament team.
This. We can expect the annual pillaging from KU but we will make some noise. At least we know Webbs won't hold Angel out for disciplinary reasons. Brace yourselves, we are making the NCAA tournament yet again! :crossfingers:
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Look, we probably have the best Senior in the league. That could potentially count for a lot, but it remains to be seen if Rod will fill the enormous void left by Frank's ego/personality. He seemed like he was trying to fit his way in to the cracks by picking up Angel when he was getting Frank'd. But he has to be able to get in Spradling's face and make it clear that Will is not this team's leader. I worry that we see Spradling unleashed with his father and oscar in his ear telling him he needs to be this team's vocal and on-court leader. If McGruder is not the clear alpha both in terms of production and leadership, we are in deep trouble. Angel and Tay need to be the Swag section that keeps the team fiery and loose. Will needs to be a role player, if he is more than that it is another indication we are in troubs.
That said, KU will again have a number of young kids to throw at us, but this is the thinnest Senior class since Gravy Train and Christian Moody. They can be got on the road, especially in this league, but that would mean that some other teams have taken steps forward (looking at you Baylor and Texas).
Baylor will be stacked and probably should be favored to take the league, but unless Scott Drew shows a commitment to good pressure defense instead of his stupid zone, they will be behind at the half on the road against teams they need to beat to take the crown. He has the talent, but I don't think his team will be able to take the next step forward.
UT looks like they could be the team to take the leap, but they lost J'Covan and I'm not sure they have anyone emotionally ready to take over that production. Since Durant left, most the UT teams have struggled to ID an alpha dog. They have had teams that distribute points and share the load, but Barne's model is a star and supporting cast. Until J'Covan last year, their problem had been that they did not have clear leaders take the team on their back.
Overall I see no reason why we can't finish top 4 with a .600+ Conference record and make the tourney as a 6-10 seed.
Here is how I see it until proven otherwise:
KU
Baylor
UT
KSU
WVU
ISU
OSU
OU
Tech
TCU
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Has Rod ever been vocal about anything? I think Rod can be the rock of the team, but the alpha probably has to end up being Angel, doesn’t it?
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Has Rod ever been vocal about anything? I think Rod can be the rock of the team, but the alpha probably has to end up being Angel, doesn’t it?
Yes and he seems to be competitive and emotional enough to do this well.
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1) Has Rod ever been vocal about anything? 2) I think Rod can be the rock of the team, but the alpha probably has to end up being Angel, doesn’t it?
1) Kind of. He's taken opportunities to calm Angel down after a Franking. He's been the huddle pump up guy after a silent timeout from Frank. The biggest unknowns are how all this changes with cuddly chicken nuggets in the huddle. Is there more or less opportunity for players to take a leadership role? How will the player's respond to the huge hole that Frank's personality filled? But more than vocal leadership, McGruder is the guy taking all the shots, he leads by example with his McOrebs and his hustle and his steady hand. That should not be dismissed or underestimated. But we need to see if that dynamic is changed by Angel's growth or Will's misguided attempt to be what his dad wants him to be.
2) Unless something has drastically changed or you really buy in to the idea that Will, Angel, Wally etc. were all somehow ruined by Frank how could you possibly expect Angel to be a leader this year? He had some of the worst sideline body language and demeanor of any basketball player I can imagine. And he has had some stiff competition from Travis Reynolds and Ricky Terry to Wally and Lou. Curtis and Jamar even had their moments. But far and away Angel last year was the worst. How much of that was Frank? I guess that kind of determines your expectations. I think we are in big trouble if we opt for the Angel roller coaster instead of letting McGruder guide the team. Angel will need to be a huge influence on the team, but he should not be the main voice as a sophomore with a talented senior on the team anyways.
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1) Has Rod ever been vocal about anything? 2) I think Rod can be the rock of the team, but the alpha probably has to end up being Angel, doesn’t it?
1) Kind of. He's taken opportunities to calm Angel down after a Franking. He's been the huddle pump up guy after a silent timeout from Frank. The biggest unknowns are how all this changes with cuddly chicken nuggets in the huddle. Is there more or less opportunity for players to take a leadership role? How will the player's respond to the huge hole that Frank's personality filled? But more than vocal leadership, McGruder is the guy taking all the shots, he leads by example with his McOrebs and his hustle and his steady hand. That should not be dismissed or underestimated. But we need to see if that dynamic is changed by Angel's growth or Will's misguided attempt to be what his dad wants him to be.
2) Unless something has drastically changed or you really buy in to the idea that Will, Angel, Wally etc. were all somehow ruined by Frank how could you possibly expect Angel to be a leader this year? He had some of the worst sideline body language and demeanor of any basketball player I can imagine. And he has had some stiff competition from Travis Reynolds and Ricky Terry to Wally and Lou. Curtis and Jamar even had their moments. But far and away Angel last year was the worst. How much of that was Frank? I guess that kind of determines your expectations. I think we are in big trouble if we opt for the Angel roller coaster instead of letting McGruder guide the team. Angel will need to be a huge influence on the team, but he should not be the main voice as a sophomore with a talented senior on the team anyways.
To your first point, he will have to take the opportunity to fire Angel up this year after Angel gets a Brucing.
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i love mcorebs as much as anyone but he's not a leader
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i love mcorebs as much as anyone but he's not a leader
30 in 1st rd NCAA tourney game, 24 on road against Top 10 Missouri, if ref actually makes call on Royce White clotheslining him up in Ames, he would have had deciding FTs up there.
That's enough leading for me.
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leading in scoring? sure. i wasn't talking about that.
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Do you consider Arthur Brown and Collin Klein, both noted for their reserved natures, to be adequate leaders?
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i do. but i don't think of mcorebs the same way.
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I do see Gruds in the same light as those two.
Not as in the "1st team AA" light but in the "they are dedicated, they get the job done, and are there when you need them" light.
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LEADERSHIP
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I do see Gruds in the same light as those two.
Not as in the "1st team AA" light but in the "they are dedicated, they get the job done, and are there when you need them" light.
def think mcorebs is all of those things too. you can be a great player and not necessarily be a leader. and the converse is true too, glue guys don't have to score 20 a game.
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Pro tip: you don't need leaders in basketball (or any sport). But in basketball you do need someone who can create their own shot (or a shot for the team) off the dribble, and people often decide this person is the leader. So I vote Angel for team leader.
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I do see Gruds in the same light as those two.
Not as in the "1st team AA" light but in the "they are dedicated, they get the job done, and are there when you need them" light.
def think mcorebs is all of those things too. you can be a great player and not necessarily be a leader. and the converse is true too, glue guys don't have to score 20 a game.
Pro tip: michigancat is wrong.
If you had to an ID a leader last year, who would ID? Jamar? Will? McOrebs? Frank?
I think out of that cast, I'd have to say Frank sucked up so much of the leadership and you could hear him complaining that the team lacked leaders. Now we can talk about how much of that was Frank's fault, but again looking at the candidates I think McGruds did the best of it last year and with the changing circumstances has the best shot this year. Maybe that isn't how it goes, but what is your alternative?
This team is not going to go from Frank to oscar and be successful without players holding each other accountable and providing leadership. I believe that very strongly. Maybe this belief conflicts with my prediction above? Lay it out there clams! What is going to happen?
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Will Angel be able to give good enough "pump up" speeches when English is not his first language? Could be the key to our season. Story at 11.
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I bet Weber doesn't crash the boards. Does this team have good enough shooter to make up for a 20% drop in offensive rebounds? I say no.
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Last 6 years from Feb thru end of season post season-Big 12 tourney/nit/ncaa in ().
2006-2007 7-6 (2-2 BIg 12 PST/NIT)
2007-2008 7-8 (1-2 Big 12 PST/NCAA)
2008-2009 8-5 (1-2 Big 12 PST/NIT)
2009-2010 13-4 (5-2 Big 12 PST/NCAA)
2010-2011 9-3 (1-2 Big 12 PST/NCAA)
2011-2012 7-5 (1-2 Big 12 PST/NCAA)
51-29 (.637) overall, 11-12 in the post season.
I doubt oscar can match that, which is kind of sad really.
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Will Angel be able to give good enough "pump up" speeches when English is not his first language? Could be the key to our season. Story at 11.
You can be intentionally ignorant and pestulant like dax or you can discuss the topic like an adult. Your choice chief.
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Will Angel be able to give good enough "pump up" speeches when English is not his first language? Could be the key to our season. Story at 11.
You can be intentionally ignorant and pestulant like dax or you can discuss the topic like an adult. Your choice chief.
I think the topic at hand is for children, and will continue to treat it as such, kind sir.
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Do you think we are top 4?
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Do you think we are top 4?
No, I think we'll finish better than fifth.
I think we'll finish better than fifth.
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Seems like we have a bunch of eat-a-dick savants around here.
Maybe we should all just take a step back.
Maybe everybody should take a step forward and then hug.
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Do you think we are top 4?
No, I think we'll finish better than fifth.
I think we'll finish better than fifth.
:lol:
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I don't get the UT love. They're young and not as overly talented as they normally are under Barnes. Plus they're coming off what is arguably Barnes' worst season at UT. Their best freshman is a big fatty. They're no better than FiF, maybe sixth.
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Pro tip: you don't need leaders in basketball (or any sport). But in basketball you do need someone who can create their own shot (or a shot for the team) off the dribble, and people often decide this person is the leader. So I vote Angel for team leader.
you're absolutely wrong (per usual)
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I don't get the UT love. They're young and not as overly talented as they normally are under Barnes. Plus they're coming off what is arguably Barnes' worst season at UT. Their best freshman is a big fatty. They're no better than FiF, maybe sixth.
it's something us B12'ers do to ourselves each year. makes beating them feel like an accomplishment.
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Pro tip: you don't need leaders in basketball (or any sport). But in basketball you do need someone who can create their own shot (or a shot for the team) off the dribble, and people often decide this person is the leader. So I vote Angel for team leader.
you're absolutely wrong (per usual)
clams, are you concerned that Hot Rod sometimes looks a little sleepy? How can someone who looks sleepy all the time be an effective leader? What if the followers get sleepy, too? Thoughts?
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entire sports world: points
rusty's "leadership isn't important in sports" take: 0
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point guard? what is this, 1915?
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Hey clams, how much do you think our lack of leadership will affect rebounds per game?
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Leadership in my mind boils down to, 1 or 2 or even 3 players kicking a lot of ass, their teammates observing them kicking a lot of ass, and either directly or indirectly the ass kickers persuade the non-ass kickers to join in the ass kicking effort.
I believe every successful team has this element of "leadership" to some degree.
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Leadership in my mind boils down to, 1 or 2 or even 3 players kicking a lot of ass, their teammates observing them kicking a lot of ass, and either directly or indirectly the ass kickers persuade the non-ass kickers to join in the ass kicking effort.
I believe every successful team has this element of "leadership" to some degree.
seems directly correlated to having good players.
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Leadership in my mind boils down to, 1 or 2 or even 3 players kicking a lot of ass, their teammates observing them kicking a lot of ass, and either directly or indirectly the ass kickers persuade the non-ass kickers to join in the ass kicking effort.
I believe every successful team has this element of "leadership" to some degree.
seems directly correlated to having good players.
Absolutely, you won't have a chance of being successful(aka kicking ass) without having good players.
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Hey clams, how much do you think our lack of leadership will affect rebounds per game?
that's a good question. without good leadership, the team will suffer and directly result in an overall worse performance than it otherwise would. so, less rebounds per game.
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Leadership in my mind boils down to, 1 or 2 or even 3 players kicking a lot of ass, their teammates observing them kicking a lot of ass, and either directly or indirectly the ass kickers persuade the non-ass kickers to join in the ass kicking effort.
I believe every successful team has this element of "leadership" to some degree.
seems directly correlated to having good players.
good teams with good players fail all the time.
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how could you possibly expect Angel to be a leader this year? He had some of the worst sideline body language and demeanor of any basketball player I can imagine. And he has had some stiff competition from Travis Reynolds and Ricky Terry to Wally and Lou. Curtis and Jamar even had their moments. But far and away Angel last year was the worst.
death, taxes and kat kid attacking current and former kstate greats.
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Leadership in my mind boils down to, 1 or 2 or even 3 players kicking a lot of ass, their teammates observing them kicking a lot of ass, and either directly or indirectly the ass kickers persuade the non-ass kickers to join in the ass kicking effort.
I believe every successful team has this element of "leadership" to some degree.
seems directly correlated to having good players.
good teams with good players fail all the time.
hmmmm how do we know they are a good team or have good players when they fail? I mean some would consider the definition of a good team as one that does not fail.
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Will needs to be a role player.
his role, as it has always been, will be to stab this team in its back. this year, it is the most important role imaginable.
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Leadership in my mind boils down to, 1 or 2 or even 3 players kicking a lot of ass, their teammates observing them kicking a lot of ass, and either directly or indirectly the ass kickers persuade the non-ass kickers to join in the ass kicking effort.
I believe every successful team has this element of "leadership" to some degree.
seems directly correlated to having good players.
good teams with good players fail all the time.
hmmmm how do we know they are a good team or have good players when they fail? I mean some would consider the definition of a good team as one that does not fail.
just google it.
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Leadership in my mind boils down to, 1 or 2 or even 3 players kicking a lot of ass, their teammates observing them kicking a lot of ass, and either directly or indirectly the ass kickers persuade the non-ass kickers to join in the ass kicking effort.
I believe every successful team has this element of "leadership" to some degree.
seems directly correlated to having good players.
good teams with good players fail all the time.
hmmmm how do we know they are a good team or have good players when they fail? I mean some would consider the definition of a good team as one that does not fail.
just google it.
doesn't seem to help? maybe bing?
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i think i meant to say, basketball teams with players that are good at basketball, fail all the time.
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This board doesn't really differentiate between good players (or talent) and players on good teams. It's a simple minded tautology.
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Maybe underachieve and fail should be differentiated for the leadership convo here?
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This board doesn't really differentiate between good players (or talent) and players on good teams. It's a simple minded tautology.
The "board" is not a monolithic mind-hive no matter how badly you want it to be.
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This board doesn't really differentiate between good players (or talent) and players on good teams. It's a simple minded tautology.
The "board" is not a monolithic mind-hive no matter how badly you want it to be.
Yes. The whole "goEMAW thinks this way" thing is silly.
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This board loved Frank Martin's style.
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This board loved Frank Martin's style.
True
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Dax didn't
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called him Frank Martine
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This board loved Frank Martin's style.
pissclams didn't
dax didn't
kim carnes didn't
you didn't
bigwillie1 (or whatever his name was) didn't
belvis noland didn't
etc...
but I need to stop letting you bait me (you are the best at trolling me btw very effective)
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this board loves my LHC Bill Snyder rants from back in the day. (still do).
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this board loves my LHC LHC Bill Snyder rants from back in the day. (still do).
yeah the good old days :party:
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to answer your question who cares? :blindfold:
SD sad he was gonna burn the place down so the real question is do we even have a season? :confused:
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This board loved Frank Martin's style.
pissclams didn't
dax didn't
kim carnes didn't
you didn't
bigwillie1 (or whatever his name was) didn't
belvis noland didn't
Everything quoted above is consistent.
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this board loves my LHC Bill Snyder rants from back in the day. (still do).
i personally loved your ron prince soliloquies
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this board loves my LHC Bill Snyder rants from back in the day. (still do).
i personally loved your ron prince soliloquies
the whole board did.
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but they hold a special place in my heart as i heard them live, over microbeers, on a patio
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this board loves my LHC Bill Snyder rants from back in the day. (still do).
:dubious:
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This board loved Frank Martin's style.
pissclams didn't
dax didn't
kim carnes didn't
you didn't
bigwillie1 (or whatever his name was) didn't
belvis noland didn't
Everything quoted above is consistent.
Not really, but you know that.
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This board doesn't really differentiate between good players (or talent) and players on good teams. It's a simple minded tautology.
The "board" is not a monolithic mind-hive no matter how badly you want it to be.
if you keep telling yourself that, you might actually believe it. but it still won't be true.
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This board doesn't really differentiate between good players (or talent) and players on good teams. It's a simple minded tautology.
The "board" is not a monolithic mind-hive no matter how badly you want it to be.
if you keep telling yourself that, you might actually believe it. but it still won't be true.
oh well then eff this I am out
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This board loved Frank Martin's style.
pissclams didn't
dax didn't
kim carnes didn't
you didn't
bigwillie1 (or whatever his name was) didn't
belvis noland didn't
Everything quoted above is consistent.
Not really, but you know that.
The statements can all be true at the same time. BTW, Americans love pizza.
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This board doesn't really differentiate between good players (or talent) and players on good teams. It's a simple minded tautology.
The "board" is not a monolithic mind-hive no matter how badly you want it to be.
if you keep telling yourself that, you might actually believe it. but it still won't be true.
oh well then eff this I am out
well, maybe you're right.
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BTW, Americans love pizza.
Also Frank Martin basketball style.
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oh look, Pizza Martine setting the game of eating pizza back a century. but all the pizza'tards are here to just rough ridin' take it and ask for seconds!
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oh look, Pizza Martine setting the game of eating pizza back a century. but all the pizza'tards are here to just rough ridin' take it and ask for seconds!
well he did beat some top 5 pizzas on the road like every year.
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American's also love Chicago-style pizza.
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sad (about pizza) really
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sad (about pizza) really
oh man, I hate it when the pizza isn't ready when I want it to be ready. I'M HUNGRY NOW DAMMIT.
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How about putting a little crushed red pepper on your pizza you ever hear of that one stan?
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spaghetti down the road to the east just keeps chugging along, meanwhile pizza has all the pizza tards worshipping his best italian entree 5th place finish again!
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spaghetti down the road to the east just keeps chugging along, meanwhile pizza has all the pizza tards worshipping his 5th place finish again!
LMAO at these pizzapologists
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I used to really enjoy coming to the basketball board. :cry:
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STICKS NOT SLICES!!
:shakesfist:
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This thread is an abortion. We're goign to suck. </thread>
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I used to really enjoy coming to the basketball board. :cry:
me too. it was a pleasure, no matter how sad chum1's board thinks that is.
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EXHIBITION UPDATE: r we going to be good?
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So much fun! :party:
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EXHIBITION UPDATE: r we going to be good?
Sweet 16 would be a blessing from God.
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Well, how did you do so far guys? :D
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they're thankfully going to exceed my predicto of 10-8