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Can we get a discussion going on player production differences and how our team might be different under Weber? Por ejemplo:
-what's our predicted starting 5?
-who do you think is 6th man?
-Will Diaz turn into a monster?
-Did Southwell work on his floating jumpshot?
-Is EMAPE a legit threat to play and is he only a junior?
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Can we get a discussion going on player production differences and how our team might be different under Weber? Por ejemplo:
-what's our predicted starting 5? Angel, Will, Rod, Gip, JO
-who do you think is 6th man? Marty or Diaz or Shane
-Will Diaz turn into a monster? No
-Did Southwell work on his floating jumpshot? No
-Is EMAPE a legit threat to play and is he only a junior? No, Yes
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Basically what steve dave said. Starting line up is pretty easy IMO, and you have 3 solid guys who can come off the bench in AD, MI3, and Shane. Diaz will not be a monster but he will hopefully be improved. If he has improved like...ALOT then maybe we will see him and JO starting together. I do not think Shane worked on his floating jumpshot but hopefully just his jumpshot in general. I doubt EMAPE is anything but garbage.
JMO
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-Diaz showed a lot of potential in limited minutes last year. He's got that nack to time rebounds well and he's got a quick put back ability. I really think Diaz has the ability to turn into something special under Weber, because they will teach him the subtle basics of offensive scoring. I'll go out on a limb and say he'll be a major contributor by seasons end.
-I'm really hoping SS figures out that slashing floater. If he can get to 6-7 ppg, it'll help out so much.
Guys I'm starting to get fired up about some basketball
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Marty will be our 6 man. I don't expect to be surprised by Will, so Marty basically has to be it.
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Pfftt EMAPE will win Big 12 6th man of the year, buckets are in his future.
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i wouldn't be surprised if diaz gets more minutes than gip. seems maybe better suited for weberball.
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i wouldn't be surprised if diaz gets more minutes than gip. seems maybe better suited for weberball.
Does that mean better at popping 3's?
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i wouldn't be surprised if diaz gets more minutes than gip. seems maybe better suited for weberball.
Does that mean better at popping 3's?
No, better at keeping the score in the 50's
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i wouldn't be surprised if diaz gets more minutes than gip. seems maybe better suited for weberball.
Does that mean better at popping 3's?
No, better at keeping the score in the 50's
more athletic. more range. dunno. guess we'll see.
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I just hope Gipson didn't spend his summer munching Doritos Locos Tacos. We really need him to improve, mainly to lose the man boobs and potentially be able to improve his vertical leap (highly unlikely).
We're a 20 win team this year.
Next year, :facepalm:
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I hope there are more moments where he gets in guys faces a la TRob
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Based on the scrimmage and a couple of Weber's comments, Omari will be getting plenty of minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if he started over Will. The only reason I don't think it will happen is because it's too good to be true.
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Based on the scrimmage and a couple of Weber's comments, Omari will be getting plenty of minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if he started over Will. The only reason I don't think it will happen is because it's too good to be true.
Oh man. Who will pick up all the charge slack?
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Based on the scrimmage and a couple of Weber's comments, Omari will be getting plenty of minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if he started over Will. The only reason I don't think it will happen is because it's too good to be true.
Oh man. Who will pick up all the charge slack?
1-Angel
2-Tay
3-HotRod
4-Gip
5-Jo
6Man/6Monster- Two headed monster of EMAPE and Sprads (unstoppable monster) AKA The Buckets Monster
Diaz will play a lot of minutes for the first big to get in foul trouble and Shane will come in when Angel comes out to make sure the drink gets stirred.
Biggest question is who comes in as the forth big? Nino or DJamer.
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Based on the scrimmage and a couple of Weber's comments, Omari will be getting plenty of minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if he started over Will. The only reason I don't think it will happen is because it's too good to be true.
Oh man. Who will pick up all the charge slack?
1-Angel
2-Tay
3-HotRod
4-Gip
5-Jo
6Man/6Monster- Two headed monster of EMAPE and Sprads (unstoppable monster) AKA The Buckets Monster
Diaz will play a lot of minutes for the first big to get in foul trouble and Shane will come in when Angel comes out to make sure the drink gets stirred.
Biggest question is who comes in as the forth big? Nino or DJamer.
DJamer played a lot at the scrimmage. Way more than Nino.
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Nino sucks guys and not even in a David Hoskins kind of way. Sorry, but its true.
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Nino sucks guys and not even in a David Hoskins kind of way. Sorry, but its true.
are you trying to be a stupider and more vile nazi than steve dave? that's a foolish quest, but you're off to a great start.
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Nino sucks guys and not even in a David Hoskins kind of way. Sorry, but its true.
are you trying to be a stupider and more vile nazi than steve dave? that's a foolish quest, but you're off to a great start.
I'm going to give KK the benefit of the doubt and assume that he didn't mean to say that Hoskins sucked, it's just how we're reading it.
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i hope diaz is really good this year. would be fun.
also, anyone remember when hoskins got lasik eye surgery before his junior (?) year. i remember an article that said when shooting free throws or anything past 15 feet that he had trouble seeing the rim.
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I'm going to give KK the benefit of the doubt and assume that he didn't mean to say that Hoskins sucked, it's just how we're reading it.
we're reading it that way because that's how he wrote it. he's a nazi.
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Why would Will start over Tay?
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Why would Will start over Tay?
I don't like it any more than anybody else but it's happened in the past and it's going to happen again.
All we can do is hope Sprads makes a fair % of open 3's (upper 30's % range :crossfingers:).
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Nino sucks guys and not even in a David Hoskins kind of way. Sorry, but its true.
I agree with Nino sucking. He's just been awful at basketball. But, I mean, we gave Joe Leonard a scholarship too.
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Nino sucks guys and not even in a David Hoskins kind of way. Sorry, but its true.
I agree with Nino sucking. He's just been awful at basketball. But, I mean, we gave Joe Leonard a scholarship too.
nino was pretty good in high school, that's part of the reason why frank gave him a scholarship.
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Nino hasnt played enough to say he sucks, can say he undersized and is injury prone. Heard he is the best rebounder on the team. :dunno:
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Unathletic/Undersized big men suck. HTH everyone.
David Hoskins was a Big 12 6th man on a terrible team making people think he was actually good.
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what david hoskins lacked in size, he made up for in stature. i wish the same could be said for you, kk.
:confused:
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Man, I was so excited for Beaz's frosh year with Bill and Hoskins. Was really sad when Hoskins got hurt.
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I thought KK liked Detroit. Weird he hates a guy so much with the skyline on his 'ceps.
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what david hoskins lacked in size, he made up for in stature. i wish the same could be said for you, kk.
:confused:
I think we are just throwing out different expectations. I mean I don't hate David Hoskins, but I'm not sure I'd want him back starting either. I think he would this year, but is he better than Jamar Samuels? I would take Massey back though.
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Nino is very far away from being unathletic
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Nino is very far away from being unathletic
He hasn't shown it at K-State. Maybe he's holding it back?
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It looks like at this stage in Nino's devleopment, the great majority of his minutes are going to come at the 4 spot. I do believe he is a solid high major athlete but his lack of size creates a major question mark as to whether or not he'll be able to be a consistent long-term contributor in the post.
What made Hoskins so effective despite his lack of height, was his solid ballhandling ability which made him able to beat other bigs and some wings off the dribble and then he had the strength and touch to finish around the rim. Nino hasn't shown any sign that he's going to be able to finish in the paint like Hoskins could but he was a good shooter from distance in HS and AAU ball. He hasn't really displayed that ability at KSU but maybe he's become more confident with it over time.
It sounds like Nino played pretty well on the team's trip to Brazil.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/081812aaa.html
He also played well at the open scirmmage back in August.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/080412aab.html
Maybe he's found his niche as a scrappy, athletic garbage man who has the ability to step out and knock down jumpers from the perimeter. I'm still skeptical about it but I guess we'll just have to see what happens as the season plays out.
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Nino is very far away from being unathletic
After meeting him at the BTF dedication, it seems like Nino is "special"...not in a good way.
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Nino is very far away from being unathletic
After meeting him at the BTF dedication, it seems like Nino is "special"...not in a good way.
Maybe, you are an uninteresting person. :dunno:
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Nino is very far away from being unathletic
After meeting him at the BTF dedication, it seems like Nino is "special"...not in a good way.
Quite the humblebrag here folks, not only was kstate4life considered cool enough to rub elbows with the bigwigs at the BTF dedication, he's also cool enough to imply one of our players is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Can't wait to hear about kstate4life's next elite humblebrag, that is if he can find the time to share it with us.
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it's pretty rare that someone the size hoskins/nino can contribute much at the 4 at the high major level. hoskins had the size, the ability and knowledge of how to use his size, and a decent 10 foot jumper. i would be happily surprised if nino can pull it together and contribute b/c we're going to be thin in the blocks the next few years.
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it's pretty rare that someone the size hoskins/nino can contribute much at the 4 at the high major level. hoskins had the size, the ability and knowledge of how to use his size, and a decent 10 foot jumper. i would be happily surprised if nino can pull it together and contribute b/c we're going to be thin in the blocks the next few years.
No faith in the trio of Diaz, Gip, and DJamer?
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It looks like at this stage in Nino's devleopment, the great majority of his minutes are going to come at the 4 spot. I do believe he is a solid high major athlete but his lack of size creates a major question mark as to whether or not he'll be able to be a consistent long-term contributor in the post.
What made Hoskins so effective despite his lack of height, was his solid ballhandling ability which made him able to beat other bigs and some wings off the dribble and then he had the strength and touch to finish around the rim. Nino hasn't shown any sign that he's going to be able to finish in the paint like Hoskins could but he was a good shooter from distance in HS and AAU ball. He hasn't really displayed that ability at KSU but maybe he's become more confident with it over time.
It sounds like Nino played pretty well on the team's trip to Brazil.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/081812aaa.html
He also played well at the open scirmmage back in August.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/080412aab.html
Maybe he's found his niche as a scrappy, athletic garbage man who has the ability to step out and knock down jumpers from the perimeter. I'm still skeptical about it but I guess we'll just have to see what happens as the season plays out.
K-State Basketball - we'll just have to see what happens
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It looks like at this stage in Nino's devleopment, the great majority of his minutes are going to come at the 4 spot. I do believe he is a solid high major athlete but his lack of size creates a major question mark as to whether or not he'll be able to be a consistent long-term contributor in the post.
What made Hoskins so effective despite his lack of height, was his solid ballhandling ability which made him able to beat other bigs and some wings off the dribble and then he had the strength and touch to finish around the rim. Nino hasn't shown any sign that he's going to be able to finish in the paint like Hoskins could but he was a good shooter from distance in HS and AAU ball. He hasn't really displayed that ability at KSU but maybe he's become more confident with it over time.
It sounds like Nino played pretty well on the team's trip to Brazil.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/081812aaa.html
He also played well at the open scirmmage back in August.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/080412aab.html
Maybe he's found his niche as a scrappy, athletic garbage man who has the ability to step out and knock down jumpers from the perimeter. I'm still skeptical about it but I guess we'll just have to see what happens as the season plays out.
K-State Basketball - we'll just have to see what happens
Just like every other year for the past 50 years.
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It looks like at this stage in Nino's devleopment, the great majority of his minutes are going to come at the 4 spot. I do believe he is a solid high major athlete but his lack of size creates a major question mark as to whether or not he'll be able to be a consistent long-term contributor in the post.
What made Hoskins so effective despite his lack of height, was his solid ballhandling ability which made him able to beat other bigs and some wings off the dribble and then he had the strength and touch to finish around the rim. Nino hasn't shown any sign that he's going to be able to finish in the paint like Hoskins could but he was a good shooter from distance in HS and AAU ball. He hasn't really displayed that ability at KSU but maybe he's become more confident with it over time.
It sounds like Nino played pretty well on the team's trip to Brazil.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/081812aaa.html
He also played well at the open scirmmage back in August.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/080412aab.html
Maybe he's found his niche as a scrappy, athletic garbage man who has the ability to step out and knock down jumpers from the perimeter. I'm still skeptical about it but I guess we'll just have to see what happens as the season plays out.
K-State Basketball - we'll just have to see what happens
Just like every other year for the past 50 years.
My slogan can go on the front of the shirt; your addendum on the back. :thumbs:
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It looks like at this stage in Nino's devleopment, the great majority of his minutes are going to come at the 4 spot. I do believe he is a solid high major athlete but his lack of size creates a major question mark as to whether or not he'll be able to be a consistent long-term contributor in the post.
What made Hoskins so effective despite his lack of height, was his solid ballhandling ability which made him able to beat other bigs and some wings off the dribble and then he had the strength and touch to finish around the rim. Nino hasn't shown any sign that he's going to be able to finish in the paint like Hoskins could but he was a good shooter from distance in HS and AAU ball. He hasn't really displayed that ability at KSU but maybe he's become more confident with it over time.
It sounds like Nino played pretty well on the team's trip to Brazil.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/081812aaa.html
He also played well at the open scirmmage back in August.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/080412aab.html
Maybe he's found his niche as a scrappy, athletic garbage man who has the ability to step out and knock down jumpers from the perimeter. I'm still skeptical about it but I guess we'll just have to see what happens as the season plays out.
K-State Basketball - we'll just have to see what happens
Yeah but this is about a redshirt sophomore who has spent the better part of two years injured.
If Nino became a Hoskins clone, it would be amazing for this program, but for the reasons that clams pointed out he won't be a Hoskins clone, a lot to ask of him. KK may need some ginko biloba and some old videos, Hoskins was very good against good players. Not sure how his surrounding cast made him look better. No one is pining for Marques Hayden.
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I'm still skeptical about it
Somehow, this part of my quote seems like it's getting overlooked.
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It looks like at this stage in Nino's devleopment, the great majority of his minutes are going to come at the 4 spot. I do believe he is a solid high major athlete but his lack of size creates a major question mark as to whether or not he'll be able to be a consistent long-term contributor in the post.
What made Hoskins so effective despite his lack of height, was his solid ballhandling ability which made him able to beat other bigs and some wings off the dribble and then he had the strength and touch to finish around the rim. Nino hasn't shown any sign that he's going to be able to finish in the paint like Hoskins could but he was a good shooter from distance in HS and AAU ball. He hasn't really displayed that ability at KSU but maybe he's become more confident with it over time.
It sounds like Nino played pretty well on the team's trip to Brazil.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/081812aaa.html
He also played well at the open scirmmage back in August.
http://kstatesports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/080412aab.html
Maybe he's found his niche as a scrappy, athletic garbage man who has the ability to step out and knock down jumpers from the perimeter. I'm still skeptical about it but I guess we'll just have to see what happens as the season plays out.
K-State Basketball - we'll just have to see what happens
Yeah but this is about a redshirt sophomore who has spent the better part of two years injured.
If Nino became a Hoskins clone, it would be amazing for this program, but for the reasons that clams pointed out he won't be a Hoskins clone, a lot to ask of him. KK may need some ginko biloba and some old videos, Hoskins was very good against good players. Not sure how his surrounding cast made him look better. No one is pining for Marques Hayden.
Our offense went through David Hoskins 2007-2007. Our offense was dog poop in 2006-2007. David Hoskins was the 12th best scorer in conference play in the Big 12 on a team devoid of talent. Draw your own conclusions.
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KAT KID SLAPS CARTIER MARTIN IN THE FACE!
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KAT KID SLAPS NBA PLAYER CARTIER MARTIN IN THE FACE!
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KAT KID SLAPS CARTIER MARTIN IN THE FACE!
David Hoskins was who our offense "went through" he was our "big", our offense was terrible, stop being stupid.
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I'm still skeptical about it
Somehow, this part of my quote seems like it's getting overlooked.
I think we all agree with your post UW.
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KAT KID SLAPS CARTIER MARTIN IN THE FACE!
David Hoskins was who our offense "went through" he was our "big", our offense was terrible, stop being stupid.
on a team devoid of talent.
:sdeek:
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KAT KID SLAPS CARTIER MARTIN IN THE FACE!
David Hoskins was who our offense "went through" he was our "big", our offense was terrible, stop being stupid.
No Hoskins wouldn't have been the #2 option for a team with any aspirations of winning a high major conference, that doesn't make him terrible. He would be a great asset for this team. A healthy David Hoskins would have gotten minutes for all but about 2 or 3 teams in last year's tournament. There could certainly be an argument made that we overrated him, but its flat wrong to call him terrible. I thought you were above trolling.
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KAT KID SLAPS CARTIER MARTIN IN THE FACE!
David Hoskins was who our offense "went through" he was our "big", our offense was terrible, stop being stupid.
on a team devoid of talent.
:sdeek:
I DIDN'T STUTTER.
(sorry Cartier, I bought you your first beer at Porter's after the home NIT loss, so maybe that makes up for it?)
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KAT KID SLAPS CARTIER MARTIN IN THE FACE!
David Hoskins was who our offense "went through" he was our "big", our offense was terrible, stop being stupid.
No Hoskins wouldn't have been the #2 option for a team with any aspirations of winning a high major conference, that doesn't make him terrible. He would be a great asset for this team. A healthy David Hoskins would have gotten minutes for all but about 2 or 3 teams in last year's tournament. There could certainly be an argument made that we overrated him, but its flat wrong to call him terrible. I thought you were above trolling.
I didn't call him terrible. I said he would've gotten minutes for any Big 12 team, but that because the team was terrible, he was who the offense went through. The only thing I would've clarified was that he was our best "big" or something to better placate the Cartier butthurt faction. Everything else is pretty obvious and I stand by.
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also a tiny little slap to the face of lance harris kk....and 6 games worth of bill walker
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KAT KID SLAPS CARTIER MARTIN IN THE FACE!
David Hoskins was who our offense "went through" he was our "big", our offense was terrible, stop being stupid.
No Hoskins wouldn't have been the #2 option for a team with any aspirations of winning a high major conference, that doesn't make him terrible. He would be a great asset for this team. A healthy David Hoskins would have gotten minutes for all but about 2 or 3 teams in last year's tournament. There could certainly be an argument made that we overrated him, but its flat wrong to call him terrible. I thought you were above trolling.
I didn't call him terrible. I said he would've gotten minutes for any Big 12 team, but that because the team was terrible, he was who the offense went through. The only thing I would've clarified was that he was our best "big" or something to better placate the Cartier butthurt faction. Everything else is pretty obvious and I stand by.
so when you posted
Nino sucks guys and not even in a David Hoskins kind of way. Sorry, but its true.
you really didn't mean that Hoskins sucked, just overrated. I don't agree but I can ride with that. All the clarification I was looking for :cheers:
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i hope kk is ambidextrous and using both hands to slap cause if not then ouch, i bet his hand hurts. why does he hate hoskins and cartier as much as he does? :dunno:
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it's pretty rare that someone the size hoskins/nino can contribute much at the 4 at the high major level. hoskins had the size, the ability and knowledge of how to use his size, and a decent 10 foot jumper. i would be happily surprised if nino can pull it together and contribute b/c we're going to be thin in the blocks the next few years.
No faith in the trio of Diaz, Gip, and DJamer?
we need depth, after those 3 + nino, we're all guards.
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it's pretty rare that someone the size hoskins/nino can contribute much at the 4 at the high major level. hoskins had the size, the ability and knowledge of how to use his size, and a decent 10 foot jumper. i would be happily surprised if nino can pull it together and contribute b/c we're going to be thin in the blocks the next few years.
No faith in the trio of Diaz, Gip, and DJamer?
we need depth, after those 3 + nino, we're all guards.
Bell or Atewe :crossfingers:
Hopefully, 1 of those guys will be able to give us something in 13-14, sorta what I'd like to see from DJamer this year.
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it's pretty rare that someone the size hoskins/nino can contribute much at the 4 at the high major level. hoskins had the size, the ability and knowledge of how to use his size, and a decent 10 foot jumper. i would be happily surprised if nino can pull it together and contribute b/c we're going to be thin in the blocks the next few years.
No faith in the trio of Diaz, Gip, and DJamer?
we need depth, after those 3 + nino, we're all guards.
I hope UW was being sarcastic. We need recruits oscar! Give us all the recruits!
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DJamer appears to be a workman type big, nobody ever understands how valuable they can be. Never thought Colon was appreciated for what he did. DJamer should strive to be Kenneth Faried, Colon should be his floor.
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it's pretty rare that someone the size hoskins/nino can contribute much at the 4 at the high major level. hoskins had the size, the ability and knowledge of how to use his size, and a decent 10 foot jumper. i would be happily surprised if nino can pull it together and contribute b/c we're going to be thin in the blocks the next few years.
No faith in the trio of Diaz, Gip, and DJamer?
we need depth, after those 3 + nino, we're all guards.
I hope UW was being sarcastic. We need recruits oscar! Give us all the recruits!
I have seen enough to have moderate hope in Diaz, Gip, and DJamer. Clearly more so in Diaz and Gip but the early returns on DJamer have been decent. DJamer at least has the frame and appears to have the athleticism to hold his own in the paint.
Sincerely,
UW
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i like diaz and gip, DJamer is a wildcard. seems like you have to drop 3 or 4 big guys for every 1 that turns out to contribute. another reason i wish b-dubs would focus more on bigs when recruiting.
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At the point guard spot, Weber mentioned the names of Rodriguez, Irving, Spradling and freshman Michael Orris.
At the two-guard could be Spradling and Irving, while McGruder is inked in at the small forward.
Inside, Weber said, "I wish I could tell you. It's someone new every day that steps up."
The candidates are Henriquez, Gipson, Diaz, Williams, plus freshman D.J. Johnson.
Others trying to find a spot are Southwell, who Weber calls his "best passer," plus Lawrence.
"I told the guys the other day we have six or seven guys who can play, but who will be players eight, nine and 10?" said Weber.
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At the point guard spot, Weber mentioned the names of Rodriguez, Irving, Spradling and freshman Michael Orris.
At the two-guard could be Spradling and Irving, while McGruder is inked in at the small forward.
Inside, Weber said, "I wish I could tell you. It's someone new every day that steps up."
The candidates are Henriquez, Gipson, Diaz, Williams, plus freshman D.J. Johnson.
Others trying to find a spot are Southwell, who Weber calls his "best passer," plus Lawrence.
"I told the guys the other day we have six or seven guys who can play, but who will be players eight, nine and 10?" said Weber.
Looks like thats settled then. Straw that stirs the drink. Welp, time for me to embrace the Southmeh i guess.