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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: steve dave on September 24, 2012, 09:58:45 AM
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Bet we win by 28+ (assuming AL doesn't get beat before the NC, very good chance they do)
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5-stars don't mean anything if they are men of poor character. I would take Snyder's boys over that Alabama trash any day.
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Here's the thing, even the "better" SEC teams are really going to struggle against other conferences when it comes time for the bowls, because the SEC is week overall. They won't be well prepared.
There are maybe, maybe 3 SEC teams that could beat Baylor, let alone TCU, WVU, OU, UT, and KSU.
I almost feel sorry for Alabama. It's not entirely their fault, it's just that they play in a terrible conference.
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Remember that time Saben coached in the NFL? I'm surprised he is even taken seriously after getting outed like that.
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their fanbase is entirely made up of poors
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UL Monroe beat Auburn and Arkansas. If Alabama wasn't too scared to schedule Monroe, I guarantee you that Monroe wins that game.
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Alabama has been nothing since they lost Cam Newton
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Monroe is the best team in Louisiana, and it really isn't close.
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I just hope they don't realize that MU was planted in their conf by us to not only unload our conference trash, but to give them a false sense of superiority over the Big 12. Will be huge when, after our +28 pt NC win, we then let the secret out of the bag on the winners stage. We take the crystal trophy, they get mizzou. Face x 2.
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the state of AL smells like rotting garbage in person. really offensive.
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Saban can flat-out game plan/scheme against an opponent when given enough time. All those crappy teams give him time to prep for the (far and few between) big games.
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when a team like ulm can beat your "powerhouse" in your home state and then take auburn to the wire your conference has issues
hell akron had a once ranked tennessee on the ropes
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Saban can flat-out game plan/scheme against an opponent when given enough time. All those crappy teams give him time to prep for the (far and few between) big games.
This is a good point, I suppose the SEC being really terrible could actually help Alabama in that way.
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I can't name one player on Alabama. Not one.
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when a team like ulm can beat your "powerhouse" in your home state and then take auburn to the wire your conference has issues
hell akron had a once ranked tennessee on the ropes
They have that ginger qb dont they?
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I just hope they don't realize that MU was planted in their conf by us to not only unload our conference trash, but to give them a false sense of superiority over the Big 12.
Well, I think any thoughts of superiority over the big 12 were erased when we destroyed Miami. I think Miami was favored by some to win the SEC this year and look what we did to them.
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I can't name one player on Alabama. Not one.
I remember a couple players' names from Mizzou and A&M, because we beat them both last year, but that's it. I don't know of anyone any good in the SEC.
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McCarry-on or something like that.
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AL has a lot of highly rated Rivals guys that Bill passed over for having low moral values. I remember seeing some of them on there.
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I can't name one player on Alabama. Not one.
Gump
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when a team like ulm can beat your "powerhouse" in your home state and then take auburn to the wire your conference has issues
hell akron had a once ranked tennessee on the ropes
They have that ginger qb dont they?
yes, yes they do. i like how baylor just messed with them. it was entertaining
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if you guys want to educate yourselves on the national perception of the SEC take a gander at this, i know us busy sharp dressed rich EMAWs usually dont have a read like this manifested in your busy schedule's but you'll enjoy it
http://www.the-mainboard.com/index.php?threads/breaking-news-the-big-12-declared-objectively-better-than-the-sec.114950/
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SEC teams can still compete for national championships? I thought they lost their AQ status this Summer. :dunno:
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I can't name one player on Alabama. Not one.
I have no respect for the Slave Empire Conference.
Who cares about an organization based on the celebration of a pathetic racist past?
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I can't name one player on Alabama. Not one.
I have no respect for the Slave Empire Conference.
Who cares about an organization based on the celebration of a pathetic racist past?
MU does...in fact they've volunteered to hold the flag.
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I can't name one player on Alabama. Not one.
I have no respect for the Slave Empire Conference.
Who cares about an organization based on the celebration of a pathetic racist past?
MU does...in fact they've volunteered to hold the flag.
I don't think you can call EVERYONE in the SEC racist. I have known quite a few black people from those states who were very nice. Obviously, most of the whites are racists, however.
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Florida St. will beat Alabama in the SEC Championship, and it won't even be close.
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Nick Sabin enjoyed Caddyshack 2.
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Saw something today on ESPN about how the Big 12 was by far the best conference top to bottom. makes sense.
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AL has a lot of highly rated Rivals guys that Bill passed over for having low moral values. I remember seeing some of them on there.
If you don't go to class, you don't play on Saturdays. Bill says that all the time.
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Honestly I realized how poorly coached the SEC is when Gene Chizik can crap the bed at Iowa State and in his next year win a MNC with Auburn.
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AL has a lot of highly rated Rivals guys that Bill passed over for having low moral values. I remember seeing some of them on there.
If you don't go to class, you don't play on Saturdays. Bill says that all the time.
and don't forget to eat your vegetables, i hear him say that a lot too.
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Will beating Alabama in the national championship game harm the reputation of our program?
:billdance:
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Les Miles never won a conf championship int he Big 12.
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You know how directional schools are usually the shitty ones? Well, it's the same with conferences.
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amazing how much better missouri is playing this year in the sec than they did in the big 12 last year. like a completely different team.
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Remember when Saban left the NFL in the middle of the season to take the job at Bama? No class.
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Remember when Saban left the NFL in the middle of the season to take the job at Bama? No class.
that is called running away from something. Just like he is no doubt planning on doing once the NC match up is announced. He will jump to some loser NFL team like the chiefs or Panthers before the NC game and claim that he couldn't turn the oppy down.
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Alabama has been nothing since they lost Cam Newton
and since that one guy poisoned their trees or something
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Look what's happening to the last SEC school goEMAW successfully trolled. Although they probably lack the intelligence to deduce the obvious connection, they more than make up for that deficit in superstition and time spent on internet fan boards.
All I'm saying is I'll be surprised if they bite.
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Remember when Saban left the NFL in the middle of the season to take the job at Bama? No class.
Same thing with the old PigAggie coach. If this tells me anything it's that Bama will get what's coming to them sooner or later. Karma is a bitch.
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Does anyone know if there are many free-to-the-public PC places in Alabama? I am guessing that there are a couple but that you have to navigate muddy roads barefoot for days to reach them from where the avg Alabama fan lives. I am pretty sure I read somewhere that the govt has given up trying to teach the populous of Alabama how to read and subsequently pulled all library funding. I would imagine that basically killed their computer accessibility. Given that, I just don't know where they would find access to our site. I mean, you can't bbs on a party line phone, right?
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Does anyone know if there are many free-to-the-public PC places in Alabama? I am guessing that there are a couple but that you have to navigate muddy roads barefoot for days to reach them from where the avg Alabama fan lives. I am pretty sure I read somewhere that the govt has given up trying to teach the populous of Alabama how to read and subsequently pulled all library funding. I would imagine that basically killed their computer accessibility. Given that, I just don't know where they would find access to our site. I mean, you can't bbs on a party line phone, right?
You are correct. They were showing improvement, (http://www.gadsdentimes.com/article/20090111/NEWS/901120288) but some of their counties still had illiteracy rates of more than 30%, so the government had to alter No Child Left Behind so that Alabamans could be left behind. Otherwise, they would have just dragged down the rest of this country.
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Alabama got left behind a long time ago. That place is like the offspring of a third world country and 1950's America. Only more racist and with less amenities.
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Alabama nearly loses at home to the team that Texas piss pounded into submission on the road.
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Alabama nearly loses at home to the team that Texas piss pounded into submission on the road.
To be fair, I think Alabama being shitty is less embarassing that Texas even scheduled a non-con vs. an SEC team.
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Alabama nearly loses at home to the team that Texas piss pounded into submission on the road.
I was wondering how the SEC lovers are defending that crapfest...the other team was underrated, injuries, voodoo?
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Alabama nearly loses at home to the team that Texas piss pounded into submission on the road.
To be fair, I think Alabama being shitty is less embarassing that Texas even scheduled a non-con vs. an SEC team.
Going for the easy wins is common place now, I don't really blame them for scheduling an SEC team for the wins.
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Alabama nearly loses at home to the team that Texas piss pounded into submission on the road.
To be fair, I think Alabama being shitty is less embarassing that Texas even scheduled a non-con vs. an SEC team.
Going for the easy wins is common place now, I don't really blame them for scheduling an SEC team for the wins.
Maybe, but at least don't go play an SEC team at their place. Such shitty atmospheres/places to play. Ole Miss is a torchbearer in the league and their crowd was terrible. You make them come to you, like we're doing with Auburn next season.
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Honestly, the entire SEC just creeps me the eff out guys.
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Appropriate apologies for Luking.
http://www.foxsportskansascity.com/10/01/12/Saban-or-Snyder-Answer-may-not-be-obviou/landing_kstate.html?blockID=798481&feedID=5070 (http://www.foxsportskansascity.com/10/01/12/Saban-or-Snyder-Answer-may-not-be-obviou/landing_kstate.html?blockID=798481&feedID=5070)
Saban or Snyder? Answer may not be obvious
Take a quick look at the college football standings. Encoded there, in the Top 10, are two of college football's most intriguing and mutually exclusive possibilities.
1. Is Nick Saban on the cusp of becoming the greatest football coach of all time?
2. Is LHC Bill Snyder, with exactly zero national championships and yet another overachieving squad unlikely to change that this season, already the best coach of his generation?
Both can't be true. Can they?
In Snyder and Saban — the faithful versus the wanderer, the good guy versus the villain, the quiet grandpa versus the too-slick firebrand — we have two of the greatest coaching minds ever to grace the game, two distinctly different avenues to excellence and two competitors fighting to be the best of their time.
Or perhaps any time.
Much of this has to do with philosophy. If you believe national titles are the way to judge greatness, then Saban's your guy. He has three now, an Alabama team that is the AP Top 25 poll's unanimous No. 1, and a very real chance at his fourth national championship. He is at the top of his game and ambitious and still stockpiling incredible talent in Tuscaloosa, so there's every reason to think he can at least threaten Bear Bryant's six national championships.
It's also worth noting that Bryant forged his legend at a time when fewer football programs were so obsessively committed to winning at all costs. Becoming a multimillion-dollar business has made college football a much more difficult place to win, let alone dominate. Saban has won and dominated.
Snyder requires a more subtle reading of excellence, and a great leap from knowing he is great to arguing he is the greatest. His accomplishments are marked not by the shiny trophies of national titles (which are usually powered by the advantage of national powerhouses) but by the down-and-dirty brilliance of taking the worst program in college football and making it his own personal miracle.
Twice.
Don't underestimate Snyder's football coaching acumen because he doesn't compete in the brutally difficult SEC. When he arrived in Manhattan, Kan., in 1989, the program he inherited had been dubbed the worst football team in America. No problem. Snyder made one of the most difficult places for recruiting and winning a bastion of success. His Manhattan Miracle still stands as one of college football's most remarkable, surprising and consistent success stories.
Then, after the 2005 season and a career that put his family's name on the stadium, he stepped down. Ron Prince replaced him and quickly showcased what you get in Manhattan minus Snyder: a mediocre coach, a ho-hum 17-20 in three seasons, a dull and unimpressive brand of football. This was Kansas State sliding slowly but surely back where it belonged, to obscurity and mediocrity.
So Snyder returned, and nearly all of us — media, and fans outside the reaches of Wildcat Nation — shook our heads. There was no way the old man could do it twice. The game had changed. He'd changed. The task was too tall, the past too far removed from K-State's present, the suddenly competitive Big 12 North not easy picking any longer.
Snyder went 6-6 that first year with a motley crew of talent. He went 7-6 the following season, and we kept trying to figure out how. He finished a stunning 10-3 last season, losing to Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl and finishing eighth in the BCS and somehow again lifting Kansas State toward the top of national respectability.
The second Miracle in Manhattan was complete, and Snyder's miraculous ways are even more pronounced this season. Kansas State is 4-0 and situated at No. 7 in the AP Poll and No. 8 in the Coaches Poll after heading to Norman two weekends ago and taking care of Oklahoma.
So we have two kinds of brilliance here, represented by two very different men.
Saban has the best team in America, again. Snyder has done the most improbable coaching job with what he has where he is, again.
Snyder's career coaching record stands at 163-83-1.
Saban's college coaching record — were it not for the wins vacated from 2007 after textbook-related infractions that began under his predecessor — would stand at 151-54-1. Instead, it's 146-54-1.
Saban has had five jobs as a head coach, his ambition moving him from Toledo to Michigan State to LSU to the Miami Dolphins to Alabama.
Snyder has had only one head-coaching job.
So who's better?
It's a fascinating football thought experiment, and it hinges largely on this:
What would Snyder do at a place like Michigan State or LSU or Alabama, and what could Saban accomplish had he chosen a place like Kansas State for most of his career?
I don't know the answer. I just know the next few seasons — and perhaps this one — will give it to us. If Saban continues to steamroll his way toward titles in such a crowded field and challenging SEC, he can make the case.
If not, and if Snyder somehow continues to coach his teams up to the tune of BCS bowls and even national-title chatter, it might be time to wonder if his miracles are the work of our generation's preeminent football mind.
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Cole Manbeck ?@Cole_Manbeck
Gary Pinkel is right, you know... There are a lot more good teams in the SEC than the Big 12 (continued)
Cole Manbeck ?@Cole_Manbeck
I mean, there's Auburn (1-7), Tennessee (3-5), Ole Miss (5-3), Kentucky (1-8), Arkansas (3-5), Vanderbilt (4-4), Missouri (4-4). It's great
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Cole Manbeck ?@Cole_Manbeck
Gary Pinkel is right, you know... There are a lot more good teams in the SEC than the Big 12 (continued)
Cole Manbeck ?@Cole_Manbeck
I mean, there's Auburn (1-7), Tennessee (3-5), Ole Miss (5-3), Kentucky (1-8), Arkansas (3-5), Vanderbilt (4-4), Missouri (4-4). It's great
It's because of all the competition!!! They are really great teams, they just have bad records.
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Parity
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Would we go unbeaten in the West? I know we would in the East...
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Bet we win by 28+ (assuming AL doesn't get beat before the NC, very good chance they do)
Man. :thumbs: