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Title: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: W|LDCAT on September 22, 2012, 11:49:03 PM
No options.

First game I have ever seen coached by LHC Bill Snyder without an option play.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: MadCat on September 22, 2012, 11:50:19 PM
No options.

First game I have ever seen coached by LHC Bill Snyder without an option play.
I saw options, just not the kind 90's Snyder used.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: kslim on September 22, 2012, 11:52:05 PM
the zone read is a form of the option
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: W|LDCAT on September 22, 2012, 11:58:58 PM
never saw a QB to RB or QB keep. something I have seen Snyder do in every game at least once. never saw it in this game. not once.

I am sure the Stoops bros planned at least 25% of their D schemes for this, but never saw it.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: Andy on September 23, 2012, 12:01:28 AM
i think they like the bullrushing of klein with the read-option as opposed to the run it out to the side and pitch it option just cause of the type of player klein is.  they probably didnt think it would work against ou anyway.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: KSUBrian on September 23, 2012, 06:06:36 AM
No options.

First game I have ever seen coached by LHC LHC Bill Snyder without an option play.

For all the good things CK can do, throwing a pitch is not one of them.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: kso_FAN on September 23, 2012, 08:36:38 AM
Just watched the 1st drive. The first 2 runs were zone read action in the backfield, but power football (pulling linemen) blocking schemes. 4th run was true zone read. Much of the time in 1 back shotgun/pistol sets we ran zone read action. I'll do a numbers breakdown of this game as far as schemes go as well as _FANframes.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: michigancat on September 23, 2012, 11:36:06 AM
There were some designed pass/run options.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 23, 2012, 11:49:58 AM
our offense seems much different than last year. Am i crazy?
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: eastcat on September 23, 2012, 11:50:46 AM
We ran the zone read, Klein and Hubert couldn't beat OU to the corner on a pitch play any day of the week. Just saying.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: puniraptor on September 23, 2012, 06:25:28 PM
our offense seems much different than last year. Am i crazy?

not crazy.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: Pete on September 23, 2012, 06:30:18 PM
Just watched the 1st drive. The first 2 runs were zone read action in the backfield, but power football (pulling linemen) blocking schemes. 4th run was true zone read. Much of the time in 1 back shotgun/pistol sets we ran zone read action. I'll do a numbers breakdown of this game as far as schemes go as well as _FANframes.

Really, really looking forward to _Fanframes this week.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: _33 on September 23, 2012, 07:22:55 PM
our offense seems much different than last year. Am i crazy?

It seems exactly the same to me.  Am I crazy?
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: WillieWatanabe on September 23, 2012, 07:40:43 PM
our offense seems much different than last year. Am i crazy?

It seems exactly the same to me.  Am I crazy?

MAYBE?! :D
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: Barry McCockner on September 23, 2012, 08:00:13 PM
We haven't seen the traditional veer package yet this year.  We saved that for OSU last year, no?  Probably waiting to break that out against WVU.  No way the newbies will see it coming.  I can just imagine their DC standing there, stunned, mouth agape....handfull of papers drops to the sideline from his paralyzed hand.   :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: GoodForAnother on September 23, 2012, 08:07:17 PM
our offense seems much different than last year. Am i crazy?

It seems exactly the same to me.  Am I crazy?

MAYBE?! :D

I WAS THINKING IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT ALSO KIND OF THE SAME

I AM FREAKING OUT
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: sys on September 23, 2012, 08:46:38 PM
Just watched the 1st drive. The first 2 runs were zone read action in the backfield, but power football (pulling linemen) blocking schemes. 4th run was true zone read. Much of the time in 1 back shotgun/pistol sets we ran zone read action. I'll do a numbers breakdown of this game as far as schemes go as well as _FANframes.

_fan, is our offense boring, or just boring to the normal eye?  tia.
Title: Re: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: SwiftCat on September 23, 2012, 08:56:29 PM
Just watched the 1st drive. The first 2 runs were zone read action in the backfield, but power football (pulling linemen) blocking schemes. 4th run was true zone read. Much of the time in 1 back shotgun/pistol sets we ran zone read action. I'll do a numbers breakdown of this game as far as schemes go as well as _FANframes.

_fan, is our offense boring, or just boring to the normal eye?  tia.

Football sys is really fun.


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Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: The Whale on September 23, 2012, 09:03:30 PM
Guys, we won without Bill having to break out the Hustle & Flow formation   :excited:
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: kso_FAN on September 23, 2012, 09:15:38 PM
Just watched the 1st drive. The first 2 runs were zone read action in the backfield, but power football (pulling linemen) blocking schemes. 4th run was true zone read. Much of the time in 1 back shotgun/pistol sets we ran zone read action. I'll do a numbers breakdown of this game as far as schemes go as well as _FANframes.

_fan, is our offense boring, or just boring to the normal eye?  tia.

Boring to the normal eye.

I just finished charting the entire game (offensively) by formation and play call. We did all kinds of stuff in this game when you combine formation and play calls.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: kso_FAN on September 23, 2012, 09:23:45 PM
And back to the topic of this thread; it was really interesting to watch this game. We ran 4 true read plays and all were zone reads. However, we ran at least another 4 or 5 runs that were zone read back field action with zone or power run blocking schemes and another half dozen play action passes off of zone read action.

Breaking down this game is going to be a little ridiculous; Snyder/Dimel/Miller pulled out quite a few wrinkles. I plan to do a _FANalysis that just breaks down plays and formations/personnel plus probably 3 _FANframes; one for the passing game, one for the empty sets, and one for the running game. A win like this deserves plenty of attention.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: sys on September 23, 2012, 09:32:13 PM
Boring to the normal eye.

that's what i thought.  be careful with the breakdowns, btw.  you don't want to give weiss anything he wouldn't be able to find himself.
Title: Re: Secret to Bill's Success
Post by: RightMeow on September 23, 2012, 10:21:41 PM
Boring to the normal eye.

that's what i thought.  be careful with the breakdowns, btw.  you don't want to give weiss anything he wouldn't be able to find himself.

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