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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on August 31, 2012, 10:44:01 AM
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per the latest newsletter, he got a $250K pay raise earlier this summer.
Also said assistant coach salary pool increased 20%.
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that's good news. he earned it. congrats to sean on his 150% pay raise as well.
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If anything, he's underpaid after last season.
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hope he keeps getting raises so tucks won't freak when we pay next coach a shitload
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yeah, if there's one thing John Currie is good at, it's making sure the coaches that have success at KSU are taken good care of.
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currie!! :shakesfist:
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yeah, if there's one thing John Currie is good at, it's making sure the coaches that have success at KSU are taken good care of.
he doesn't have a choice with snyder. could you imagine the outrage if snyder was fired? :surprised:
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Currie did it though because Snyder didn't "ask for it." Frank was a greedy bastard in Currie's eyes.
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Currie did it though because Snyder didn't "ask for it." Frank was a greedy bastard in Currie's eyes.
lol, ITK types will tell you LHC Bill Snyder definately asked for it. Bill is greedy as crap. Which is absolutely fine with me.
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You don't give pay raises to coaches who embellish on typcial boss/subordinate disagreements in order to gain empathy from a sychophantic set of simpletons . . . while the coach was already pushing the bar on the door to leave a place he never intended to say at to begin with.
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Currie did it though because Snyder didn't "ask for it." Frank was a greedy bastard in Currie's eyes.
lol, ITK types will tell you LHC Bill Snyder definately asked for it. Bill is greedy as crap. Which is absolutely fine with me.
which is also why I LMAO everytime there's a anon donation made and the inevitable GPC thread starts "Do you think Coach Snyder is the anonymous donor?"
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A guy who wanted his payments in lump sums out of reserve accounts in order to avoid taxation, thinks a lot about money, or hires someone to think a lot about money for him.
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Would $2.2mil bring in a decent coach if we were shopping around?
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Currie did it though because Snyder didn't "ask for it." Frank was a greedy bastard in Currie's eyes.
lol, ITK types will tell you LHC Bill Snyder definately asked for it. Bill is greedy as crap. Which is absolutely fine with me.
which is also why I LMAO everytime there's a anon donation made and the inevitable GPC thread starts "Do you think Coach Snyder is the anonymous donor?"
:lol:
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Would $2.2mil bring in a decent coach if we were shopping around?
decent O Coordinator who hasn't been mentioned for any big jobs and won't be in line for any major jobs in the next year. we are going to have to pay out of our asses to meet what a lot of people feel will be a "decent coach"
IMO
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Would $2.2mil bring in a decent coach if we were shopping around?
decent O Coordinator who hasn't been mentioned for any big jobs and won't be in line for any major jobs in the next year. we are going to have to pay out of our asses to meet what a lot of people feel will be a "decent coach"
IMO
Am I correct in thinking that D Coords would cost more in the same situation?
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Would $2.2mil bring in a decent coach if we were shopping around?
decent O Coordinator who hasn't been mentioned for any big jobs and won't be in line for any major jobs in the next year. we are going to have to pay out of our asses to meet what a lot of people feel will be a "decent coach"
IMO
Am I correct in thinking that D Coords would cost more in the same situation?
I have no idea. doesn't seem like it. Mods?
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ITK types (and this is a Luke) have said that Currie has said he's prepared to push the $3 million mark on the next coach. I wouldn't put money on Currie even being around here to make that happen though.
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BFD, we are rich as crap and kicking ass all over America.
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If our coach was making exactly 3 mil, where would he rank in the conference?
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If our coach was making exactly 3 mil, where would he rank in the conference?
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tied for 4th with Patterson. Behind Bob, Mack and Gundy. unless some have gotten raises recently.
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so, in summary, 3 million isn't crap.
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We need to go into this with the mindset "Would an extra million get us a better coach?" At some point, the answer will be no and then we should just get the best guy out there, regardless of what it ends up costing us.
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This is from May so I'm sure some (Holgy in particular) have gotten raises
Mack Brown, Texas$5.2 million
Bob Stoops, Oklahoma$4.55 million
Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State$3.3 million
Gary Patterson, TCU$3 million
Art Briles, Baylor$2.5 million
Charlie Weis, Kansas$2.5 million
LHC Bill Snyder, Kansas State$2.2 million
Tommy Tuberville, Texas Tech$2.1 million
LHC Bill Snyder, Kansas State$1.9 million
Paul Rhoads, Iowa State$1.6 million
Dana Holgorsen, West Virginia$1.4 million
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our next coach absolutely needs to be paid more than Gundy. I'm fine with Mack and Bob being paid more, but not Gundy.
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our next coach absolutely needs to be paid more than Gundy. I'm fine with Mack and Bob being paid more, but not Gundy.
Mack and Bob probably have clauses in their contracts (or maybe it is just school policy) that they be paid more than other coaches around the country. I think we could compete with T. Boone.
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Hopefully the extra conference $$ would allow to afford a coach for $3.5 mill. Would like to think we could take up and coming coaches from Big East due to conference revenue alone.
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I mean if Nick Saban were to tell us he would take the job for $10 million per year, I would be absolutely fine with paying him that much. I don't think he's working here for any amount of money, though.
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our next coach absolutely needs to be paid more than Gundy. I'm fine with Mack and Bob being paid more, but not Gundy.
protip - they won't be
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It might make more sense to bring the ocean front up to Manhattan.
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Well, let's get a little perspective here. Based a USA today article in January.
Snyder would be (Give or take a few thousand dollars in chump change for these guys):
ACC: Tied for 4th with Beamer
Big East: 2nd Place
Big 10: 5th Place
Pac 12: Tied for 3rd with Sarkisian (sp?)
SEC: 9th place.
Probably a few changes in there since Jan.
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Is anyone on earth more overpaid than Paul Rhodes?
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We need to go into this with the mindset "Would an extra million get us a better coach?" At some point, the answer will be no and then we should just get the best guy out there, regardless of what it ends up costing us.
I think the answer will always be no so just roll the dice w/ unknown o-coordinators. <-serious
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We need to go into this with the mindset "Would an extra million get us a better coach?" At some point, the answer will be no and then we should just get the best guy out there, regardless of what it ends up costing us.
I think the answer will always be no so just roll the dice w/ unknown o-coordinators. <-serious
I think we could land a pretty well known young OC for 2.5.
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We need to go into this with the mindset "Would an extra million get us a better coach?" At some point, the answer will be no and then we should just get the best guy out there, regardless of what it ends up costing us.
I think the answer will always be no so just roll the dice w/ unknown o-coordinators. <-serious
I think we could land a pretty well known young OC for 2.5.
We're basically starting a discussion we already had, but is a well known OC for 2.5 going to be more successful than an unknown OC for 1.5? It's far from a given.
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Is anyone on earth more overpaid than Paul Rhodes?
charlie weis.
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We need to go into this with the mindset "Would an extra million get us a better coach?" At some point, the answer will be no and then we should just get the best guy out there, regardless of what it ends up costing us.
I think the answer will always be no so just roll the dice w/ unknown o-coordinators. <-serious
I think we could land a pretty well known young OC for 2.5.
We're basically starting a discussion we already had, but is a well known OC for 2.5 going to be more successful than an unknown OC for 1.5? It's far from a given.
yeah, we did. but we aren't paying whoever we hire less than 2 million no matter how unqualified or known they are. I mean, Currie has basically pushed his chips out onto the table. he can't take them back now.
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$2.5 million is probably gonna have to go to a title guy: Offensive Coordinator/Associate Head Coach type at a significant D1 football school.
There are a few head coaches @ BCS schools would might be interested if it was $2.5 to $2.7 out of the gate.
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Our next coach should absolutely make a lot more money than the head coach at TCU is making.
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Our next coach should absolutely make a lot more money than the head coach at TCU is making.
Lots of programs were interested in Patterson, pay raise was a defensive measure.
LHCBS' raise is an emergency measure to demonstrate that we're willing to pay for a FB coach when we start looking for one in January, 2013 since Snyder is about to retire.
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Our next coach should absolutely make a lot more money than the head coach at TCU is making.
why? He won't be nearly as successful as GP has been.
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Our next coach should absolutely make a lot more money than the head coach at TCU is making.
Lots of programs were interested in Patterson, pay raise was a defensive measure.
LHCBS' raise is an emergency measure to demonstrate that we're willing to pay for a FB coach when we start looking for one in January, 2013 since Snyder is about to retire.
there are rumblings
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I want Gary Patterson. Pay Gary!
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I want Gary Patterson. Pay Gary!
do not want
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I want Gary Patterson. Pay Gary!
do not want
:curse:
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Our next coach should absolutely make a lot more money than the head coach at TCU is making.
why? He won't be nearly as successful as GP has been.
I'm not saying give some guy 3.5 million that is worth 1.5. I'm saying, hire someone who is worth 3.5+.
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Could we poach leach for 4 million? probably not capable of supporting a long term deal at that price, but I think he would come for that.
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we could probably steal james franklin from vandy. would take
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Our next coach should absolutely make a lot more money than the head coach at TCU is making.
why? He won't be nearly as successful as GP has been.
I'm not saying give some guy 3.5 million that is worth 1.5. I'm saying, hire someone who is worth 3.5+.
someone worth $3.5 won't come to KSU for $3.5.
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Our next coach should absolutely make a lot more money than the head coach at TCU is making.
why? He won't be nearly as successful as GP has been.
I'm not saying give some guy 3.5 million that is worth 1.5. I'm saying, hire someone who is worth 3.5+.
someone worth $3.5 won't come to KSU for $3.5.
exactly
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it's dimel
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it's dimel
meh, why not. Nothing leads me to believe he'd be any worse than [insert hot new assistant here]
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it's dimel
it won't be, but he would do well (this thread already happened as rusty pointed out but whatevs)
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it's dimel
meh, why not. Nothing leads me to believe he'd be any worse than [insert hot new assistant here]
yeah, i'm fine with dimel, but i really want a younger guy "just in case."
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Okay, we tell Dubai they can take all the land they want starting from Mississippi, through Arkansas, Missouri, Southeast Kansas, thus creating a bay off the Gulf of Mexico with which we can get more bang for the buck when hiring coaches.
Is it crazy? Yes...which is why I think I like it.
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Our next coach should absolutely make a lot more money than the head coach at TCU is making.
Lots of programs were interested in Patterson, pay raise was a defensive measure.
LHCBS' raise is an emergency measure to demonstrate that we're willing to pay for a FB coach when we start looking for one in January, 2013 since Snyder is about to retire.
there are rumblings
I think he'll be around until Tate graduates at the least (this came from Tate, fwiw)
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Our next coach should absolutely make a lot more money than the head coach at TCU is making.
Lots of programs were interested in Patterson, pay raise was a defensive measure.
LHCBS' raise is an emergency measure to demonstrate that we're willing to pay for a FB coach when we start looking for one in January, 2013 since Snyder is about to retire.
there are rumblings
I think he'll be around until Tate graduates at the least (this came from Tate, fwiw)
is tate even playing anymore?
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I want Gary Patterson. Pay Gary!
do not want
Yeah, I have wanted Patterson for a long time. I mean, since before "It's Patterson!" Then I read sd's post. I don't want Patterson anymore.
Great call, sd!
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I think we would have a solid shot at Petrino for about $2.5 million per year if Snyder were to retire after this season.
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I think we would have a solid shot at Petrino for about $2.5 million per year if Snyder were to retire after this season.
we absolutely would
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I think we would have a solid shot at Petrino for about $2.5 million per year if Snyder were to retire after this season.
we absolutely would
Harder sell to our tuck fanbase: Huggins or Petrino?
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I think we would have a solid shot at Petrino for about $2.5 million per year if Snyder were to retire after this season.
we absolutely would
Harder sell to our tuck fanbase: Huggins or Petrino?
hard to say. on the one hand, they don't care about basketball. on the other hand, they seem to enjoy winning at football.
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I think Petrino is a harder sell because Huggins didn't really do anything wrong. Petrino lied to his boss and a police officer. (I think).
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Okay, we tell Dubai they can take all the land they want starting from Mississippi, through Arkansas, Missouri, Southeast Kansas, thus creating a bay off the Gulf of Mexico with which we can get more bang for the buck when hiring coaches.
Is it crazy? Yes...which is why I think I like it.
They can buy Haiti a lot cheaper.
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I think Petrino is a harder sell because Huggins didn't really do anything wrong. Petrino lied to his boss and a police officer. (I think).
Yeah, prolly. Petrino's thing was also "dirty"
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I think Petrino is a harder sell because Huggins didn't really do anything wrong. Petrino lied to his boss and a police officer. (I think).
Yeah, prolly. Petrino's thing was also "dirty"
and I just ignored that part.
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I think Petrino is a harder sell because Huggins didn't really do anything wrong. Petrino lied to his boss and a police officer. (I think).
Yeah, prolly. Petrino's thing was also "dirty"
which would win favor with our creepy ass tuck fanbase (see GPC thread for more detail)
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I think Petrino is a harder sell because Huggins didn't really do anything wrong. Petrino lied to his boss and a police officer. (I think).
Yeah, prolly. Petrino's thing was also "dirty"
which would win favor with our creepy ass tuck fanbase (see GPC thread for more detail)
yeah
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so our smart AD paid Snyds more (by 250K, lol) to send a "message" that "hey, at kansas state, we'll pay you". why wouldn't he just tell whomever you want to hire next, "hey, we'll pay you 3.5M". Like, to me, telling someone directly that you'll pay them 3.5M is better than paying Snyder 250K to send that message to them. but that's just me.
fyi, I don't think currie gave snyds a pay raise to send any kind of message. and let me say that if he did, then it would only further prove how awful he is at coach management.
3M prolly gets you skip holtz.
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i have an ITK guy who told me Gruden
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fyi, I don't think currie gave snyds a pay raise to send any kind of message.
he definitely did not.
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If I were Bill, I would have made Currie pay me $3 million. Currie would have to pay it, too. Our fanbase would run his ass out of town if he penny pinched LHC LHC Bill Snyder out of town.
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If I were Bill, I would have made Currie pay me $3 million. Currie would have to pay it, too. Our fanbase would run his ass out of town if he penny pinched LHC LHC Bill Snyder out of town.
But Bill isn't willing to not coach. It's not like Bill's going to walk away over salary. And nobody else is going to hire him. If anything Currie has more leverage over Bill than a normal coach.
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If I were Bill, I would have made Currie pay me $3 million. Currie would have to pay it, too. Our fanbase would run his ass out of town if he penny pinched LHC LHC Bill Snyder out of town.
But Bill isn't willing to not coach. It's not like Bill's going to walk away over salary. And nobody else is going to hire him. If anything Currie has more leverage over Bill than a normal coach.
That's a very good point, but then why are there rumblings that Bill is done after this year?
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If I were Bill, I would have made Currie pay me $3 million. Currie would have to pay it, too. Our fanbase would run his ass out of town if he penny pinched LHC LHC Bill Snyder out of town.
But Bill isn't willing to not coach. It's not like Bill's going to walk away over salary. And nobody else is going to hire him. If anything Currie has more leverage over Bill than a normal coach.
That's a very good point, but then why are there rumblings that Bill is done after this year?
because he may be done after this year. have you listened to any of his interviews? he notes that he just wanted to come back to calm the waters and that they are now calmed about every 10th sentence. sometimes in response to questions that aren't really in that direction.
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Friend of a friend had lunch with Snyder, and said that he doesn't think Snyder will be back next year. Snyder didn't tell him that, but the friend of a friend has known Snyder a long time, and thinks that he's getting tired of coaching.
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Friend of a friend had lunch with Snyder, and said that he doesn't think Snyder will be back next year. Snyder didn't tell him that, but the friend of a friend has known Snyder a long time, and thinks that he's getting tired of coaching.
He would never do a last minute retirement in order to get attention and leave the school in a bind.
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Friend of a friend had lunch with Snyder, and said that he doesn't think Snyder will be back next year. Snyder didn't tell him that, but the friend of a friend has known Snyder a long time, and thinks that he's getting tired of coaching.
I have a hard time believing he gets tired of coaching.
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If Bill does quit, I bet he announces it immediately following the Baylor game so that he has a bye week to gets a shitload of national attention and then he gets to be sent off after a dramatic victory over the Texas Longhorns. I don't see him waiting until the Bowl season to make that announcement.
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If Bill does quit, I bet he announces it immediately following the Baylor game so that he has a bye week to gets a shitload of national attention and then he gets to be sent off after a dramatic victory over the Texas Longhorns. I don't see him waiting until the Bowl season to make that announcement.
this would also give Currie time to fly down to Dallas to do his coaching search.
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If Bill does quit, I bet he announces it immediately following the Baylor game so that he has a bye week to gets a shitload of national attention and then he gets to be sent off after a dramatic victory over the Texas Longhorns. I don't see him waiting until the Bowl season to make that announcement.
this would also give Currie time to fly down to Dallas to do his coaching search.
He will have streamlined it by just wiring the $50,000 to his friend who will then pick the most recently fired head coach of a DI school. Gene Keady will also have a say.
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If Bill does quit, I bet he announces it immediately following the Baylor game so that he has a bye week to gets a shitload of national attention and then he gets to be sent off after a dramatic victory over the Texas Longhorns. I don't see him waiting until the Bowl season to make that announcement.
this would also give Currie time to fly down to Dallas to do his coaching search.
Currie will probably wait until the season is over so scrubs who just got crap canned can be considered.
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:lol: Snyder is scheming all of you.
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If Bill does quit, I bet he announces it immediately following the Baylor game so that he has a bye week to gets a shitload of national attention and then he gets to be sent off after a dramatic victory over the Texas Longhorns. I don't see him waiting until the Bowl season to make that announcement.
this would also give Currie time to fly down to Dallas to do his coaching search.
Currie will probably wait until the season is over so scrubs who just got crap canned can be considered.
Why wait? Ron Zook is available now.
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How much would we have to pay Jim Tressel?
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How much would we have to pay Jim Tressel?
protip: Currie's not hiring anyone with dirt on them.
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How much would we have to pay Jim Tressel?
protip: Currie's not hiring anyone with dirt on them.
Yeah, but is his dirt really that dirty?
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How much would we have to pay Jim Tressel?
protip: Currie's not hiring anyone with dirt on them.
Yeah, but is his dirt really that dirty?
irrelevant
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How much would we have to pay Jim Tressel?
IIRC, Tressel has a show-cause on him for a few more years which basically makes him un-hirable. It means any school that does hire him would have to explain to the NCAA why they shouldn't be punished with the penalties his old school was slapped with and hope the NCAA agrees to not punish his new employer, so he isn't an option.
Barring any health issues, I don't think Snyder retires until Tate graduates.
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How much would we have to pay Jim Tressel?
protip: Currie's not hiring anyone with dirt on them.
Yeah, but is his dirt really that dirty?
irrelevant
Obvs this applies to Petrino as well then.
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How much would we have to pay Jim Tressel?
IIRC, Tressel has a show-cause on him for a few more years which basically makes him un-hirable. It means any school that does hire him would have to explain to the NCAA why they shouldn't be punished with the penalties his old school was slapped with and hope the NCAA agrees to not punish his new employer, so he isn't an option.
Barring any health issues, I don't think Snyder retires until Tate graduates.
Tressel's show cause only makes it so that if we were to hire him, he would have to serve a short suspension at the beginning of his first season and then he would not be allowed to coach in the bowl game. That's not a big deal at all.
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Bill is probably planning on dying on the field, I hope we don't let him.