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Title: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2012, 08:34:37 AM
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Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2012, 08:35:15 AM
Reid:  you haven't paid taxes in 10 years
Romney:  liar!
Reid:  link?

 :lol:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 07, 2012, 09:02:06 AM
 :dance:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: OK_Cat on August 07, 2012, 09:47:37 AM
 :surprised:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 07, 2012, 01:41:10 PM
Reid:  you haven't paid taxes in 10 years
Romney:  link?
Reid:   :dunno:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2012, 01:42:25 PM
Reid:  you haven't paid taxes in 10 years
Romney:  link?
Reid:   :dunno:

nope  :lol:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 07, 2012, 01:45:52 PM
Reid:  you haven't paid taxes in 10 years
Romney:  link?
Reid:   :dunno:

nope  :lol:

Is there a new Tom the Dancing Bug I haven't seen yet?
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2012, 02:44:47 PM
Quote
Republican sources say they're in a Catch-22 situation on how to reply to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's claims that GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney went 10 years without paying taxes.

lol, no crap?  :lol:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: CNS on August 07, 2012, 02:59:12 PM
Yeah, Reid saying that he has a 100% solid source may be a lie, but it def equates to asking for a link.

Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 07, 2012, 03:00:51 PM
It's almost like the GOP doesn't give a crap about beating Obama...  Why would they put a stooge like Romney up against him?
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2012, 03:02:49 PM
Yeah, Reid saying that he has a 100% solid source may be a lie, but it def equates to asking for a link.

it's rough ridin' brilliant
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 07, 2012, 03:06:00 PM
Even if it were true, why is it a big deal that he didn't pay any taxes?
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2012, 03:06:16 PM
Even if it were true, why is it a big deal that he didn't pay any taxes?

 :lol:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: CNS on August 07, 2012, 03:07:27 PM
Agreed.

What is more reasonable, smoking out a source that is vouched for, or Romney simply providing a copy of a form he swears was filed, completed, and paid yearly?  I mean, I guarantee he has a guy who's job it is to go grab this stuff out of a file folder, make copies of it, and mail it out as necessary.

No one is going to tackle the source when the other is so easy to prove/disprove.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: CNS on August 07, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
Even if it were true, why is it a big deal that he didn't pay any taxes?

It's not to me.  However, he himself has already come out and said that not only did he pay taxes but that it was "a lot".  So, is he lying about filing?  Lying about paying a lot?  Or is there some other issue that he is hiding? 

I don't care about what he paid/didn't pay as long as it was legal.  I am much more intrigued with the possibility of it being something more.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 07, 2012, 03:15:11 PM
Even if it were true, why is it a big deal that he didn't pay any taxes?

When did you become a Romneybot?
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 07, 2012, 03:19:36 PM
Even if it were true, why is it a big deal that he didn't pay any taxes?

It's not to me.  However, he himself has already come out and said that not only did he pay taxes but that it was "a lot".  So, is he lying about filing?  Lying about paying a lot?  Or is there some other issue that he is hiding? 

I don't care about what he paid/didn't pay as long as it was legal.  I am much more intrigued with the possibility of it being something more.

Does anyone seriously think he didn't file or did something illegal as governor of Mass?  He obviously used all of the loopholes and shelters available to people that can afford tax lawyers, just like Obama. We also know he donated at least 10% of his earnings to his church, but the heartless Chicago thugs will somehow paint him as a tax dodging felon.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 07, 2012, 03:20:41 PM
Even if it were true, why is it a big deal that he didn't pay any taxes?

When did you become a Romneybot?

I'm a Paulite according to the fun quiz.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 07, 2012, 03:25:26 PM
Then you should know it has absolutely nothing to do with his taxes and everything to do with perjuring himself on an SEC filing.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: bubbles4ksu on August 07, 2012, 03:30:11 PM
Then you should know it has absolutely nothing to do with his taxes and everything to do with perjuring himself on an SEC filing.

wrong. this is about romney being one of the 10,000 richest people in the world.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 07, 2012, 03:40:08 PM
Then you should know it has absolutely nothing to do with his taxes and everything to do with perjuring himself on an SEC filing.

wrong. this is about romney being one of the 10,000 richest people in the world.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2012, 03:44:03 PM
it's like a chess game and reid just made his move and romney is currently staring at the board wondering if he should move himself into an indefensible position or just flip the board over and storm out of the room. 
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 07, 2012, 03:58:19 PM
it's like a chess game and reid just made his move and romney is currently staring at the board wondering if he should move himself into an indefensible position or just flip the board over and storm out of the room.

Not really. Reid wins either way, but only because his supporters don't care if he lied and will just say he got bad information. He also knows he will probably lose control of the senate and is sure to retire when his term is up. Meanwhile, the thugs will do their thing if Romney does end up releasing his returns.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 07, 2012, 03:59:17 PM
Romney should show the returns . . . but it is laughable that we're getting this stuff out of the head of one of the biggest crime syndicates in Las Vegas, Harry Reid and Family.

Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2012, 06:39:01 PM
reid completely mindfucked the entire romney camp of retards  :lol:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: kim carnes on August 07, 2012, 10:15:31 PM
who cares
Title: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: LickNeckey on August 07, 2012, 10:32:11 PM
The Georgers
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 07, 2012, 10:44:29 PM
The Georgers

Taxers
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 08, 2012, 02:31:30 AM
Yep, looks like the Offshorers and the Taxers have put on their tinfoil hats.

41 months of 8 plus % unemployment . . . oh yeah, but what about Romney's 2002 Tax Return hmmmm????
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 08, 2012, 08:17:22 AM
It's hilarious how polarized everyone has become.   Our choices for president are:
Communist
  - or -
  Felon

Both sides are so opposed to supporting the other that as soon as you say something bad about their choice, it immediately means you're siding with the communist or the felon.   Love when my Grandmother tells me how horrible Obama is whenever I mention to her what a piece of crap Romney is.   
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2012, 08:20:57 AM
the only point is that reid clowned the romney camp by utilizing classic high message boarding IQ tactics and now we get to watch romney sit there with a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) look on his face not knowing what to do.  it's high comedy.  nobody smart gives a eff about what his tax returns say.  they care about the fact that he obviously does, very much, and now is put in this position.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 08, 2012, 08:24:36 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2012, 09:01:24 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama. 
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: slobber on August 08, 2012, 09:04:34 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.
Yes, I think I agree with that. Surely some tax attorney hired by Romney already reviewed all of this crap and Romney would not have run for President if there was a risk of something coming out that could lead to jail time.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 08, 2012, 09:19:04 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.

Why do liberals hate rich people. Wouldn't smart people see the ability to make money as a good quality? I really can't imagine that paying more taxes than required could be seen as a positive trait. Seems dumb, especially given the incredible waste that goes on within the government.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2012, 09:21:20 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.

Why do liberals hate rich people. Wouldn't smart people see the ability to make money as a good quality? I really can't imagine that paying more taxes than required could be seen as a positive trait. Seems dumb, especially given the incredible waste that goes on within the government.

lol at your logic. he's doing everything in his power not to have to show his tax returns. why?
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 08, 2012, 09:28:57 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.

Why do liberals hate rich people. Wouldn't smart people see the ability to make money as a good quality? I really can't imagine that paying more taxes than required could be seen as a positive trait. Seems dumb, especially given the incredible waste that goes on within the government.

lol at your logic. he's doing everything in his power not to have to show his tax returns. why?

He knows what the media is going to do with them. Being rich has become a bad thing.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: mortons toe on August 08, 2012, 10:37:38 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.

Why do liberals hate rich people. Wouldn't smart people see the ability to make money as a good quality? I really can't imagine that paying more taxes than required could be seen as a positive trait. Seems dumb, especially given the incredible waste that goes on within the government.

lol at your logic. he's doing everything in his power not to have to show his tax returns. why?
You support a President who has never released any records of public interest, but hey, whatever.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: husserl on August 08, 2012, 10:59:13 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.

doesn't combo very well with his crazy-assed tax plan either
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2012, 10:59:52 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.

Why do liberals hate rich people. Wouldn't smart people see the ability to make money as a good quality? I really can't imagine that paying more taxes than required could be seen as a positive trait. Seems dumb, especially given the incredible waste that goes on within the government.

lol at your logic. he's doing everything in his power not to have to show his tax returns. why?
You support a President who has never released any records of public interest, but hey, whatever.

lol at you thinking I support anyone
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 08, 2012, 11:01:34 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.

Everyone knows he's loaded and no one cares.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2012, 11:05:09 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.

Everyone knows he's loaded and no one cares.

it's not being loaded he's scared of.  it's the relative amount of taxes he paid he's scared of. 
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 08, 2012, 11:08:28 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.
Yes, I think I agree with that. Surely some tax attorney hired by Romney already reviewed all of this crap and Romney would not have run for President if there was a risk of something coming out that could lead to jail time.

Yes.  Every person that has ever run for president was completely clean and had absolutely nothing to hide in the past.  That's why Obama's first act of president was an executive order to have his personal information locked and sealed.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 08, 2012, 11:11:38 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.

Everyone knows he's loaded and no one cares.

it's not being loaded he's scared of.  it's the relative amount of taxes he paid he's scared of.

-or- Where his income was coming from.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2012, 11:13:26 AM
I'm not one to go all conspiracy theory'y on anything HeinBallz
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: husserl on August 08, 2012, 11:19:06 AM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.
Yes, I think I agree with that. Surely some tax attorney hired by Romney already reviewed all of this crap and Romney would not have run for President if there was a risk of something coming out that could lead to jail time.

Yes.  Every person that has ever run for president was completely clean and had absolutely nothing to hide in the past.  That's why Obama's first act of president was an executive order to have his personal information locked and sealed.

 :sdeek: link?
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 08, 2012, 11:28:31 AM
Yes.  Every person that has ever run for president was completely clean and had absolutely nothing to hide in the past.  That's why Obama's first act of president was an executive order to have his personal information locked and sealed.

 :sdeek: link?

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2009-obama.html

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 08, 2012, 11:31:02 AM
I'm not one to go all conspiracy theory'y on anything HeinBallz

How is it a conspiracy when a person makes two contradicting statements, one by mouth in a court room, and the other on an SEC filing - and the one thing that can set the record straight is his tax returns?
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 08, 2012, 11:36:21 AM
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Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: husserl on August 08, 2012, 11:40:54 AM
Yes.  Every person that has ever run for president was completely clean and had absolutely nothing to hide in the past.  That's why Obama's first act of president was an executive order to have his personal information locked and sealed.

 :sdeek: link?

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2009-obama.html

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

didn't read, but I'm pretty sure that says just about the opposite of what you think it says
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 08, 2012, 11:50:19 AM
Anyone who doesn't think the dems blew Mitt's brain out on this isn't paying attention.  It's not a huge issue but his freak out makes it worse.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 08, 2012, 11:55:53 AM
Yes.  Every person that has ever run for president was completely clean and had absolutely nothing to hide in the past.  That's why Obama's first act of president was an executive order to have his personal information locked and sealed.

 :sdeek: link?

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2009-obama.html

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

didn't read, but I'm pretty sure that says just about the opposite of what you think it says

That doesn't concern his personal records, only presidential records of his and former presidents. I don't think any of his personal records have been sealed, they are simply confidential and he won't release them, similar to tax returns.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: husserl on August 08, 2012, 12:24:27 PM
Yes.  Every person that has ever run for president was completely clean and had absolutely nothing to hide in the past.  That's why Obama's first act of president was an executive order to have his personal information locked and sealed.

 :sdeek: link?

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2009-obama.html

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2009-01-26/pdf/E9-1712.pdf

didn't read, but I'm pretty sure that says just about the opposite of what you think it says

That doesn't concern his personal records, only presidential records of his and former presidents. I don't think any of his personal records have been sealed, they are simply confidential and he won't release them, similar to tax returns.

yes. it also doesn't lock and seal anything.

Quote
President Ronald Reagan signed Executive Order 12667 on January 18, 1989, authorizing the United States Archivist to release presidential records for past presidents and for future presidents who did not object within 30 days of notification of release. Executive Order 12667 was in effect until November 5, 2001, when President George W. Bush signed Executive Order 13233, revoking it. The Bush order made presidential records unavailable for 12 years following the end of a presidency and extended the notification period from 30 days to 90 days.

President Obama’s Executive Order 13489 revoked Bush’s order and substantively reinstated Reagan’s, thereby expanding access to presidential records, rather than narrowing it, as Birthers choose to think.
Title: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 08, 2012, 01:13:59 PM
My bad for not looking more into it.  But my point remains that  all politicians have things they hide- Romney is no different.


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Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 08, 2012, 01:23:50 PM
My bad for not looking more into it.  But my point remains that  all politicians have things they hide- Romney is no different.

Yes, I think everyone has something they would like to hide if they ever ran for office. In these times of instant and easy information gathering, we are going to need to get over presidents not being perfect. At some point, there won't be anyone that hasn't abused drugs, gotten a face tattoo, ear lobe gauges, killed a drifter, etc. Romney will seem like a really rich alter boy that was never raped.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: michigancat on August 08, 2012, 02:03:09 PM
Apparently "nobody smart" realizes that there are jail time implications involved with this.   This isn't some trolling experiment - there's a reason Romney cares, very much, about this.

meh. I think he's just scared shitless of showing the world how rich he is and how small amount of taxes he paid relative to that richness.  it's a built in campaign commercial for obama.

Everyone knows he's loaded and no one cares.

it's not being loaded he's scared of.  it's the relative amount of taxes he paid he's scared of. 

whatevs obamabot
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2012, 12:10:55 AM
 :surprised:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJdewtCtuY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJdewtCtuY)

Romney's campaign is a train wreck.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: michigancat on August 09, 2012, 12:25:32 AM
:surprised:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJdewtCtuY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJdewtCtuY)

Romney's campaign is a train wreck.

that was his press secretary? :sdeek:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2012, 12:26:17 AM
:surprised:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJdewtCtuY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJdewtCtuY)

Romney's campaign is a train wreck.

that was his press secretary? :sdeek:

Yeah. I don't think she will be for much longer, though.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: bubbles4ksu on August 09, 2012, 12:33:52 AM
:surprised:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJdewtCtuY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJdewtCtuY)

Romney's campaign is a train wreck.

that was his press secretary? :sdeek:

how shallow is the person who decided to put that bimbo southerner up there? (not saying it was romney, it probably wasn't)
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 09, 2012, 08:36:12 AM
:surprised:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJdewtCtuY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUJdewtCtuY)

Romney's campaign is a train wreck.

Just horrible. McCain campaign all over again.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 09, 2012, 08:41:24 AM
That summarizes perfectly how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) Romney supporters are. 
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2012, 08:44:14 AM
That summarizes perfectly how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) Romney supporters are.

If it were just a supporter, it wouldn't be a big deal. This is his press secretary. :lol:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 09, 2012, 09:41:28 AM
My point exactly - how, as a supporter, can you still want to vote for Romney when his own press secretary's only come back to a bunk Obama attack ad is:  "Romneycare would fix it!"   Kind of surprised she didn't slip and call it "Obamacare".
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2012, 09:58:10 AM
U6 still off the chartes, wholesale orders plummetting, Manufacturing sector moving back down, wars all over the world, Patriot Act still in place (with more teeth), indefinite detention, Gitmo still welcoming guests, Croony Capitalism . . . Man, I wonder what Romney's 2003 Tax Return looks like?

(note: not that big a fan of Romney)

Maybe the DOE can give another taxpayer loan to a foreign company, or a failing "green" energy clusterf_ck.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 09, 2012, 10:14:10 AM
U6 still off the chartes, wholesale orders plummetting, Manufacturing sector moving back down, wars all over the world, Patriot Act still in place (with more teeth), indefinite detention, Gitmo still welcoming guests, Croony Capitalism . . . Man, I wonder what Romney's 2003 Tax Return looks like?

Here's the difference.  People KNOW Obama will continue these shitty policies and people are HOPING that Romney won't - although if you're paying attention you can find several instances where Romney publicly agrees with Obama on nearly all of those issues. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEZwz4u4ZYQ&feature=g-upl
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 09, 2012, 10:20:21 AM
U6 still off the chartes, wholesale orders plummetting, Manufacturing sector moving back down, wars all over the world, Patriot Act still in place (with more teeth), indefinite detention, Gitmo still welcoming guests, Croony Capitalism . . . Man, I wonder what Romney's 2003 Tax Return looks like?

Here's the difference.  People KNOW Obama will continue these shitty policies and people are HOPING that Romney won't - although if you're paying attention you can find several instances where Romney publicly agrees with Obama on nearly all of those issues. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEZwz4u4ZYQ&feature=g-upl

That's why the left/right political paradigm in the United States is a joke.   Once inside the beltway it's just the same thing with slight variations.

But in Obama's case, you can understand why they're making a big deal out of Romney's tax return given we're headed to 42 straight months of 8 plus % unemployment.

Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 09, 2012, 11:08:23 AM
U6 still off the chartes, wholesale orders plummetting, Manufacturing sector moving back down, wars all over the world, Patriot Act still in place (with more teeth), indefinite detention, Gitmo still welcoming guests, Croony Capitalism . . . Man, I wonder what Romney's 2003 Tax Return looks like?

Here's the difference.  People KNOW Obama will continue these shitty policies and people are HOPING that Romney won't - although if you're paying attention you can find several instances where Romney publicly agrees with Obama on nearly all of those issues. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEZwz4u4ZYQ&feature=g-upl

This. We know Obama is on the wrong track and is certain to destroy the economy, which in turn will weaken national security. We have two realistic options, and one has proven himself ineffective over the last 3-4 years. It's time to let the other one try.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 09, 2012, 11:28:50 AM
This. We know Obama is on the wrong track and is certain to destroy the economy, which in turn will weaken national security. We have two realistic options, and one has proven himself ineffective over the last 3-4 years. It's time to let the other one try.

I, and thousands like myself who are now disenfranchised from our party, will NEVER vote for Romney, just as we will NEVER vote for Obama.  If Obama get's back in, It's the fault of the established republicans for giving us the choice of Shithead A or Shithead B.
 
I will not accept the status quo any longer and voting for Shithead A or B and "hoping" and "trying something different" is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and Romney supporters are rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for accepting this.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2012, 11:34:49 AM
If you live in Kansas, it really doesn't matter who you vote for anyway, john "teach me how to" dougie. I will be voting for Johnson, but Romney will still carry the state by at least 20%.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: HeinBallz on August 09, 2012, 11:37:00 AM
None of this would really matter if the Congress & Senate still meant anything.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2012, 11:43:20 AM
If you live in Kansas, it really doesn't matter who you vote for anyway, john "teach me how to" dougie. I will be voting for Johnson, but Romney will still carry the state by at least 20%.

Nebraska and Maine FTW!
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 09, 2012, 02:41:21 PM
This. We know Obama is on the wrong track and is certain to destroy the economy, which in turn will weaken national security. We have two realistic options, and one has proven himself ineffective over the last 3-4 years. It's time to let the other one try.

I, and thousands like myself who are now disenfranchised from our party, will NEVER vote for Romney, just as we will NEVER vote for Obama.  If Obama get's back in, It's the fault of the established republicans for giving us the choice of Shithead A or Shithead B.
 
I will not accept the status quo any longer and voting for Shithead A or B and "hoping" and "trying something different" is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and Romney supporters are rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for accepting this.

Shithead C's don't vote as a protest against A and B because their guy didn't make the cut. You have more in common with either A or B, and you should vote for that one.

Spend the next 4 years working on getting your guy in a position to run next time and stop whining.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: OK_Cat on August 09, 2012, 03:08:28 PM
This. We know Obama is on the wrong track and is certain to destroy the economy, which in turn will weaken national security. We have two realistic options, and one has proven himself ineffective over the last 3-4 years. It's time to let the other one try.

I, and thousands like myself who are now disenfranchised from our party, will NEVER vote for Romney, just as we will NEVER vote for Obama.  If Obama get's back in, It's the fault of the established republicans for giving us the choice of Shithead A or Shithead B.
 
I will not accept the status quo any longer and voting for Shithead A or B and "hoping" and "trying something different" is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and Romney supporters are rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for accepting this.

Shithead C's don't vote as a protest against A and B because their guy didn't make the cut. You have more in common with either A or B, and you should vote for that one.

Spend the next 4 years working on getting your guy in a position to run next time and stop whining.

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2012, 03:20:18 PM
This. We know Obama is on the wrong track and is certain to destroy the economy, which in turn will weaken national security. We have two realistic options, and one has proven himself ineffective over the last 3-4 years. It's time to let the other one try.

I, and thousands like myself who are now disenfranchised from our party, will NEVER vote for Romney, just as we will NEVER vote for Obama.  If Obama get's back in, It's the fault of the established republicans for giving us the choice of Shithead A or Shithead B.
 
I will not accept the status quo any longer and voting for Shithead A or B and "hoping" and "trying something different" is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and Romney supporters are rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for accepting this.

Shithead C's don't vote as a protest against A and B because their guy didn't make the cut. You have more in common with either A or B, and you should vote for that one.

Spend the next 4 years working on getting your guy in a position to run next time and stop whining.

I could write my own name in and have roughly the same chance that Obama has of winning Kansas, though. Does that mean that everyone should just vote Romney because he is the only candidate with a realistic shot?
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2012, 03:40:57 PM
yeah, very few people have a vote that matters at all
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 09, 2012, 03:49:54 PM
yeah, very few people have a vote that matters at all

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXf30Z.jpg&hash=f978f9601c8083856b82174c485592d88200f758)
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2012, 05:14:39 PM
yeah, very few people have a vote that matters at all

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXf30Z.jpg&hash=f978f9601c8083856b82174c485592d88200f758)

swing staters do.  I do.  Kansans don't. 
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: CNS on August 09, 2012, 05:21:02 PM
yeah, very few people have a vote that matters at all

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXf30Z.jpg&hash=f978f9601c8083856b82174c485592d88200f758)

swing staters do.  I do.  Kansans don't.

Especially these days.  Kansas is swining about as hard line conservative as possible. 
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2012, 05:29:26 PM
yeah, I enjoyed the crap out of the KS and MO townie politics political ads last weekend. rough ridin' hicks. 
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: OK_Cat on August 09, 2012, 06:14:39 PM
my vote in Oklahoma doesn't matter, but I still enjoy going to the polls and making passive-agressive comments to start arguments.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on August 09, 2012, 06:29:17 PM
yeah, very few people have a vote that matters at all

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXf30Z.jpg&hash=f978f9601c8083856b82174c485592d88200f758)

swing staters do.  I do.  Kansans don't.

It would be fun to live in a swing state, except for the ads.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2012, 06:38:27 PM
yeah, very few people have a vote that matters at all

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXf30Z.jpg&hash=f978f9601c8083856b82174c485592d88200f758)

swing staters do.  I do.  Kansans don't.

It would be fun to live in a swing state, except for the ads.

The ads would be the best part.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 09, 2012, 06:47:56 PM
yeah, very few people have a vote that matters at all

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXf30Z.jpg&hash=f978f9601c8083856b82174c485592d88200f758)

swing staters do.  I do.  Kansans don't.

No you don't.  Neither candidate cares about ks, ne, sd, nd.  Now MO on the other hand
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: slobber on August 09, 2012, 06:54:17 PM
NC   :cool:
Ads suck balls. I now try the sd thing in my mind every time there is another ad. He had a thread about voting based on the reasons the ads said to vote. It was pretty good but died out. I guess it didn't play well with KS...sd, I was with you on that thread.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2012, 06:55:38 PM
NC   :cool:
Ads suck balls. I now try the sd thing in my mind every time there is another ad. He had a thread about voting based on the reasons the ads said to vote. It was pretty good but died out. I guess it didn't play well with KS...sd, I was with you on that thread.

I enjoyed that thread but we just don't get those ads here so I couldn't really participate.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: michigancat on August 09, 2012, 07:10:20 PM
yeah, I enjoyed the crap out of the KS and MO townie politics political ads last weekend. rough ridin' hicks. 

my fave was one that was like, "HE SUPPORTED A COMPANY THAT WILL MAKE BILLIONS OFF OF OBAMACARE".

And it was Cerner, who employs a shitload of KC folks and is led by philanthropists who seem to genuinely want to make Kansas City a better place to live.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 09, 2012, 07:14:23 PM
The only ads I've seen have been for people running local townie positions accusing the incumbent, who in most other states would be considered as far right as you can get, of being too liberal.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: 06wildcat on August 09, 2012, 07:23:19 PM
The only ads I've seen have been for people running local townie positions accusing the incumbent, who in most other states would be considered as far right as you can get, of being too liberal.

Unfortunately the ultra conservative/tea partiers have found out what most moderates in both parties knew for a very long time. Incumbents rarely lose to a challenger in a general election. It's much, much easier to win a primary where turnout will be low.

That's why you always see the real derp like state constitutional amendments for this or against that in off-year spring elections.

Of course there would have bee one less tea party member in the KS senate if Roger Reitz and Joe Knopp could have settled their pissing match without handing Reader an easy win.
Title: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: steve dave on August 09, 2012, 08:18:39 PM
yeah, I enjoyed the crap out of the KS and MO townie politics political ads last weekend. rough ridin' hicks. 

my fave was one that was like, "HE SUPPORTED A COMPANY THAT WILL MAKE BILLIONS OFF OF OBAMACARE".

And it was Cerner, who employs a shitload of KC folks and is led by philanthropists who seem to genuinely want to make Kansas City a better place to live.

Yes, ridiculous. Also enjoyed the one Comparing the guy to a yorkie (and showing a pic of a yorkie). Good grief your constituents are rough ridin' inbred hicks if they are going for this crap.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: kim carnes on August 09, 2012, 09:14:37 PM
yeah, I enjoyed the crap out of the KS and MO townie politics political ads last weekend. rough ridin' hicks. 

my fave was one that was like, "HE SUPPORTED A COMPANY THAT WILL MAKE BILLIONS OFF OF OBAMACARE".

And it was Cerner, who employs a shitload of KC folks and is led by philanthropists who seem to genuinely want to make Kansas City a better place to live.

im not sure cerner stands to make any more money with obamacare than without obamacare.  if the government sucks at paying hospitals for healthcare then hospitals would have less money to buy crap from cerner.  but hey, who really knows, amirite guys?
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: 06wildcat on August 09, 2012, 09:25:17 PM
yeah, I enjoyed the crap out of the KS and MO townie politics political ads last weekend. rough ridin' hicks. 

my fave was one that was like, "HE SUPPORTED A COMPANY THAT WILL MAKE BILLIONS OFF OF OBAMACARE".

And it was Cerner, who employs a shitload of KC folks and is led by philanthropists who seem to genuinely want to make Kansas City a better place to live.

im not sure cerner stands to make any more money with obamacare than without obamacare.  if the government sucks at paying hospitals for healthcare then hospitals would have less money to buy crap from cerner.  but hey, who really knows, amirite guys?

No.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: 'taterblast on August 09, 2012, 09:39:25 PM
the reasons for cerner's current and future success were in place before obamacare came along.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: kim carnes on August 09, 2012, 09:39:54 PM
yeah, I enjoyed the crap out of the KS and MO townie politics political ads last weekend. rough ridin' hicks. 

my fave was one that was like, "HE SUPPORTED A COMPANY THAT WILL MAKE BILLIONS OFF OF OBAMACARE".

And it was Cerner, who employs a shitload of KC folks and is led by philanthropists who seem to genuinely want to make Kansas City a better place to live.

im not sure cerner stands to make any more money with obamacare than without obamacare.  if the government sucks at paying hospitals for healthcare then hospitals would have less money to buy crap from cerner.  but hey, who really knows, amirite guys?

No.

ok, well then i guess the ad is legit
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: 8manpick on August 09, 2012, 10:26:12 PM
the reasons for cerner's current and future success were in place before obamacare came along.

You didn't build that
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: michigancat on August 09, 2012, 10:37:16 PM
Hey guys, the point isn't whether or not Cerner benefits from health care reform, the point is this candidate was a dumbfuck becuse he was talking crap on Cerner (in tiny letters).
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: kim carnes on August 09, 2012, 11:01:53 PM
Hey guys, the point isn't whether or not Cerner benefits from health care reform, the point is this candidate was a dumbfuck becuse he was talking crap on Cerner (in tiny letters).

eff cerner
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: michigancat on August 09, 2012, 11:27:18 PM
carnes gonna carnes
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: wetwillie on August 09, 2012, 11:41:35 PM
the reasons for cerner's current and future success were in place before obamacare came along.

You didn't build that
:thumbs:
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: ben ji on August 10, 2012, 08:37:11 AM
Speaking of political ads

Quote
The spot features a Missouri steelworker called Joe Soptic, who recounts how Bain Capital bought his plant and eventually closed it, costing him his job and health benefits. "A short time after that," he says, Ilyona Soptic was diagnosed with cancer. "I don't know how long she was sick and I think maybe she didn't say anything because she knew we couldn't afford the insurance."

He continues: "There was nothing they could do for her. And she passed away in 22 days. I do not think Mitt Romney realizes what he's done to anyone, and furthermore I do not think Mitt Romney is concerned."

It's a sad tale, affectingly told. The production values are also excellent, courtesy of Priorities USA Action, Mr. Obama's super PAC that ostensibly doesn't coordinate with his campaign. But its notions about cause and effect are, well, novel.


Bain bought the struggling company GST Steel in 1993 and held the investment in a turnaround bid throughout Mr. Romney's tenure as CEO, which ended in 1999. He had been gone from Bain for two years when the mill went bankrupt, in 2001, amid a larger competitive upheaval that reshaped the U.S. steel industry. Mr. Soptic's wife died five years later, in 2006.

Mr. Soptic also revealed to CNN that when he worked at GST, his wife had her own health insurance policy through a thrift store job, which she lost after an injury in 2002 or 2003. By then he'd been hired somewhere else, but that plan didn't cover spouses.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 10, 2012, 08:40:16 AM
Speaking of political ads

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Yeah, Romney's response to that ad you failed to link properly was that if Soptic had lived in Massachusetts, he would have had health care.
Title: Re: Reid v. Romney Tax Returns
Post by: ben ji on August 10, 2012, 08:52:08 AM
Speaking of political ads

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Yeah, Romney's response to that ad you failed to link properly was that if Soptic had lived in Massachusetts, he would have had health care.

Lollers, always getting those IMG and quote buttons mixed up.  :lol: