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Title: lawyers
Post by: sys on July 31, 2012, 07:27:04 PM
can i win a lawsuit where there's a contract saying the other party doesn't have to pay me anything if they do something, but i want them to anyways?  like for some reason the contract wouldn't apply because the other party didn't act in good faith and/or comply with reasonable requests or something?

the amount of money is fairly insignificant, but i'm a vengeful person and would like to be a pain in the ass, if i can.  the contract also says that the losing party has to pay the winning party's legal expenses, in the event legal action though.

Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Trim on July 31, 2012, 08:59:26 PM
Sounds fun.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on July 31, 2012, 09:10:37 PM
Sounds fun.

it's not.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: chunkles on July 31, 2012, 09:11:16 PM
oh crap, bosysz56
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Trim on July 31, 2012, 09:13:42 PM
Sounds fun.

it's not.

The vengeance? 
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 01, 2012, 10:58:54 AM
The vengeance?

hypothetical and in the future.  also fraught with impediments.  the need for vengeance is current.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 01, 2012, 11:36:48 AM
Not if you write the lawsuit like that.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: asava on August 01, 2012, 11:39:36 AM
Not if you write the lawsuit like that.

LOL.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Trim on August 01, 2012, 02:05:45 PM
At this point, I'm gonna need everyone to speculate on what sys is talking about.  I bet a landlord confiscated his snake.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2012, 02:10:30 PM
sys, does he have any stuff you could easily steal?  maybe start stealing his stuff until you feel made whole?
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 01, 2012, 02:20:15 PM
it's the house i agreed to buy, and the bank that owns it, that is rough ridin' me.  i want to cancel the contract because i don't like them rough ridin' me.  the contract agrees that i can cancel the contract, but not that the bank would have to reimburse me the house buying expenses i've incurred so far.

if a legal remedy isn't in the cards, i guess i can just throw a brick through their window or something. 
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 01, 2012, 02:52:54 PM
it's the house i agreed to buy, and the bank that owns it, that is rough ridin' me.  i want to cancel the contract because i don't like them rough ridin' me.  the contract agrees that i can cancel the contract, but not that the bank would have to reimburse me the house buying expenses i've incurred so far.

if a legal remedy isn't in the cards, i guess i can just throw a brick through their window or something.

Also Roundup the entire yard.  Trees area  big bonus.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: steve dave on August 01, 2012, 02:54:54 PM
pull up to the bank drive through and put a poisonous viper in the tube thing and shoot it in to the teller before peeling out. 
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Mr Bread on August 01, 2012, 03:10:26 PM
pull up to the bank drive through and put a poisonous viper in the tube thing and shoot it in to the teller before peeling out.

Yes, this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S6cpkn_Yeg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S6cpkn_Yeg), but with a snake or snakes.  Laugh maniacally too.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 02, 2012, 12:18:24 AM
this didn't turn out helpful at all.
Title: lawyers
Post by: felix rex on August 02, 2012, 12:27:09 AM
If you do the viper thing, I can help with countries to hide in. But only (and this is nonnegotiable) if you peel out.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Cire on August 02, 2012, 12:33:05 AM
poop in the middle of the floor
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 02, 2012, 12:38:43 AM
If you do the viper thing, I can help with countries to hide in. But only (and this is nonnegotiable) if you peel out.

the viper idea is stupid.  why not just draw them a map of where i'll be hiding and shoot that in too?  if were to shoot any animal in, i'd use something clever, like a raccoon or a miniature horse.
Title: lawyers
Post by: felix rex on August 02, 2012, 01:12:14 AM
Well, that's your field of rough ridin' expertise.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Saulbadguy on August 02, 2012, 07:55:20 AM
Use a shrink ray on Fran Drescher and send her through the tube.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Trim on August 02, 2012, 08:48:19 AM
I don't think a lawsuit will be your best avenue for vengeance.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2012, 10:29:35 AM
it's the house i agreed to buy, and the bank that owns it, that is rough ridin' me.  i want to cancel the contract because i don't like them rough ridin' me.  the contract agrees that i can cancel the contract, but not that the bank would have to reimburse me the house buying expenses i've incurred so far.

if a legal remedy isn't in the cards, i guess i can just throw a brick through their window or something.

1.  Buying crappy foreclosures is risky
2.  What possible expenses could you have incurred outside of a cheap inspection, which is for your protection?
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: pissclams on August 02, 2012, 10:33:09 AM
earnest money
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2012, 11:01:48 AM
earnest money

The contract will specifically and unequivocally spell out what is to be done with that. 

I assume he wants some type of "well, I took half of Monday off of work to inspect and then I had to go check some stuff and blahblahblah, my time was worth $2000 so I need that."
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Kat Kid on August 02, 2012, 11:05:33 AM
Sys is a whiny entitled bitch?  Well I for one could not have possibly seen this one coming.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2012, 11:09:14 AM
Sys is a whiny entitled bitch?  Well I for one could not have possibly seen this one coming.

I am as surprised as you are.  You think you know someone...
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: pissclams on August 02, 2012, 12:31:32 PM
earnest money

The contract will specifically and unequivocally spell out what is to be done with that. 

I assume he wants some type of "well, I took half of Monday off of work to inspect and then I had to go check some stuff and blahblahblah, my time was worth $2000 so I need that."

ya it can also get stuck in escrow.  there's all sorts of pita crap that can happen.  with sys, being the ex-ksu dumbass fan that he is, i'm sure he prob just handed the dude his life savings b/c he trusted him and now can't get it back.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: asava on August 02, 2012, 02:07:43 PM
earnest money

The contract will specifically and unequivocally spell out what is to be done with that. 

I assume he wants some type of "well, I took half of Monday off of work to inspect and then I had to go check some stuff and blahblahblah, my time was worth $2000 so I need that."

ya it can also get stuck in escrow.  there's all sorts of pita crap that can happen.  with sys, being the ex-ksu dumbass fan that he is, i'm sure he prob just handed the dude his life savings b/c he trusted him and now can't get it back.


but... but.... but...  :bawl:
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 02, 2012, 06:03:49 PM
2.  What possible expenses could you have incurred outside of a cheap inspection, which is for your protection?

the deposit, minus the inspection, is safe, or should be.  in addition to the inspection, the money i'd be out would be the fees charged by the mortgage originator.

it's probably $800, or so combined.  obviously not worth the time to sue, even in small claims.  but i'm pretty big on revenge.  i'd be happy to kiss the money goodbye, if i could cause them more than $800 in damages.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: CNS on August 02, 2012, 06:34:06 PM
Dear Sys, tires and a windshield, bro.

Sincerely, cns

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Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2012, 07:23:23 PM
You paid a mortgage fee on a loan you didn't take out?!   :lol:
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Bloodfart on August 02, 2012, 08:06:04 PM
 :lol: What a rube.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 02, 2012, 10:44:20 PM
I don't think a lawsuit will be your best avenue for vengeance.

thanks, trim.  btw.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 02, 2012, 11:00:34 PM
You paid a mortgage fee on a loan you didn't take out?!   :lol:

i'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about, but if any loan officers are reading, please feel free to let me know if i'm going to need a second brick.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Trim on August 03, 2012, 08:12:51 AM
sys, T-Y for posing your question in this forum where it can be answered by an array of attorneys as they have time to do so, rather than calling me at 7:30 in the morning with a tale of being arrested last night. 

I'm not even at my office where I can bbs while half-listening.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 03, 2012, 08:17:25 AM
The people who call lawyers at their homes in the middle of the night are the worst.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: OB_Won on August 03, 2012, 08:24:10 AM
Play with Nazis and you're bound to get burnt.  Life lesson learned.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 03, 2012, 10:13:31 AM
You paid a mortgage fee on a loan you didn't take out?!   :lol:

i'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about, but if any loan officers are reading, please feel free to let me know if i'm going to need a second brick.

Well your explanation was likely written by an English as a second language student so that might explain some of it.  I am still not sure how you paid $800 to a loan officer for a loan that never closed.  Did they convince you that it is some normal application/processing fee?  It's ok if they did.  There are sneaky mortgage brokers all over the place who take advantage of rubes on a daily basis.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 03, 2012, 10:26:29 AM
Maybe I just missed this, but why did the loan fall through?
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 03, 2012, 11:36:43 AM
2.  What possible expenses could you have incurred outside of a cheap inspection, which is for your protection?

the deposit, minus the inspection, is safe, or should be.  in addition to the inspection, the money i'd be out would be the fees charged by the mortgage originator.

it's probably $800, or so combined.  obviously not worth the time to sue, even in small claims.  but i'm pretty big on revenge.  i'd be happy to kiss the money goodbye, if i could cause them more than $800 in damages.

Pffft, I've small-claims'd a dry cleaner for losing an old BR jacket.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Belvis Noland on August 03, 2012, 11:48:34 AM
You paid a mortgage fee on a loan you didn't take out?!   :lol:

i'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about, but if any loan officers are reading, please feel free to let me know if i'm going to need a second brick.

Well your explanation was likely written by an English as a second language student so that might explain some of it.  I am still not sure how you paid $800 to a loan officer for a loan that never closed.  Did they convince you that it is some normal application/processing fee?  It's ok if they did.  There are sneaky mortgage brokers all over the place who take advantage of rubes on a daily basis.

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 03, 2012, 01:19:55 PM
Maybe I just missed this, but why did the loan fall through?

it didn't.  i just don't want the money anymore.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 03, 2012, 01:21:22 PM
sys, T-Y for posing your question in this forum where it can be answered by an array of attorneys as they have time to do so, rather than calling me at 7:30 in the morning with a tale of being arrested last night. 

i should have done that.  now i know.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Trim on August 03, 2012, 01:24:18 PM
sys, T-Y for posing your question in this forum where it can be answered by an array of attorneys as they have time to do so, rather than calling me at 7:30 in the morning with a tale of being arrested last night. 

i should have done that.  now i know.

Platinum later.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 03, 2012, 01:58:56 PM
Maybe I just missed this, but why did the loan fall through?

it didn't.  i just don't want the money anymore.

Did the house not pass inspection?
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: kostakio on August 03, 2012, 02:55:11 PM
You paid a mortgage fee on a loan you didn't take out?!   :lol:

i'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about, but if any loan officers are reading, please feel free to let me know if i'm going to need a second brick.

I used to work with mortgages. The only fees that you would ever possibly pay outside of closing are for the appraisel and maybe for credit reports.  These fees shoud not have amounted to $800 though.  Any other fees should be been paid in closing and you never closed right?   
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 03, 2012, 04:56:25 PM
Maybe I just missed this, but why did the loan fall through?

it didn't.  i just don't want the money anymore.

Did the house not pass inspection?

i don't want it anymore, because the seller mumped me.


i'd scarcely be out for revenge if the house inspection turned up some issue that made me not want it, or if i couldn't get a loan. 
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 03, 2012, 04:57:46 PM
Maybe I just missed this, but why did the loan fall through?

it didn't.  i just don't want the money anymore.

Did the house not pass inspection?

i don't want it anymore, because the seller mumped me.


i'd scarcely be out for revenge if the house inspection turned up some issue that made me not want it, or if i couldn't get a loan.

What did the seller do that mumped you over, though?
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 03, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
I used to work with mortgages. The only fees that you would ever possibly pay outside of closing are for the appraisel and maybe for credit reports.  These fees shoud not have amounted to $800 though.  Any other fees should be been paid in closing and you never closed right?

yeah, it's not, limestone just can't read/add.  it's like $400 for the appraisal on the mortgage side and another $400 for inspection fees on the escrow side.


correct, i haven't closed.  it's faintly possible that i still will, but even if so, i'll probably still want revenge eventually.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: wetwillie on August 03, 2012, 05:02:21 PM
please explain how the bank mumped you over, TIA
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 03, 2012, 05:12:04 PM
What did the seller do that mumped you over, though?

i bought the house "as is", and my realtor specifically told them not make any alterations.  they came through about two weeks later and put down shitty linoleum, a nasty cheap ass fiberglass shower and some guy basically stood in the center of the house and sprayed paint in the general direction of the walls.
Title: Re: Re: lawyers
Post by: michigancat on August 03, 2012, 05:16:52 PM
i bought the house "as is"

Man, you should have consulted the board a long ass time ago.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: gato montes on August 03, 2012, 05:33:02 PM
I'm thinking you are just looking for a way to get revenge after reading the stick to the man thread. I mean come on.

1. You are buying a used house, you were going to repaint anyways. What's the problem?
2. If the floors were shitty enough for them to put in linoleum then you were probably going to be doing something with them as well. Now you have to take out linoleum instead of I'm assuming shitty carpet What's the problem?
3. If they replaced the tub that means you are either nasty as hell and were going to keep the old tub they thought was nasty enough no one would want it or you were going to replace it anyway. Now you have a new cheap ass one that you could at least sell for a little cash when you replace with a new one.
Title: Re: Re: lawyers
Post by: asava on August 03, 2012, 05:33:54 PM
i bought the house "as is"

ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Title: Re: lawyers
Post by: sys on August 03, 2012, 05:38:17 PM
1.  read the part about how it was a shitty paint job.
2.  glued directly to the subfloor.  now i have to scrape that crap up, or hire someone to do it.
3.  there was no tub there.  it'll cost me more in time/money to pull it out and clean the subfloor than i could ever get for the tub.  cheap tubs are like $100 new.

4.  they were rough ridin' told not to touch anything.