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Title: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on June 29, 2012, 04:30:13 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/29/3683465/prosecutor-accused-pot-dealer.html#.T-4Z64CMak4.facebook

 :frown:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: star seed 7 on June 29, 2012, 06:59:01 PM
sounds like they traded tickets for drugs as well.

very disappointed with these young men.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Tobias on June 29, 2012, 07:32:45 PM
i wonder if addictive genes just run in the family? they're strong of mind though, i think they can bounce back even stronger (less high)
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on June 29, 2012, 07:43:35 PM
Ruining there NBA careers isn't enough for Bill he also has to enslave his team to drugs... truly sad... so hard to be TSC with that monster next-door.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Paul Moscow on June 29, 2012, 08:02:12 PM
This used to be a great place to live. Locking my doors tonight.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 29, 2012, 08:03:23 PM
T's & P's, state friends. I knew there was a reason they always tried to steal my food in the media room.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: wes mantooth on June 29, 2012, 08:27:57 PM
Chalmers infected Beasley.  I hope you rot in hell for this Mario.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Cartierfor3 on June 29, 2012, 10:31:21 PM
http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/drug-bombshell-could-cripple-kus-basketball-program/ (http://voices.kansascity.com/entries/drug-bombshell-could-cripple-kus-basketball-program/)

The word bombshell seems like hyperbole
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: star seed 7 on June 29, 2012, 11:14:54 PM
phog thread on this is mind blowing.

so much delusion.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: deputy dawg on June 29, 2012, 11:20:41 PM
The McMoron twins....maybe they weren't moronic, just smoked polio weed....
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: AbeFroman on June 29, 2012, 11:24:56 PM
As we all know weed is a gateway drug. Since this guy got busted who knows what other substances they've had to resort to to get their fix. We may need to consider an intervention
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: kim carnes on June 29, 2012, 11:26:32 PM
i think we all know who is responsible for this (massa)
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: KITNfury on June 30, 2012, 07:27:44 AM
sounds like they traded tickets for drugs as well.

very disappointed with these young men.
True story. Back when chipotle in mhk first opened, I was friends with a guy that worked there. He planned on trading those free burritos coins for weed. Not sure how it all worked out but just thought I would add to show the lengths that an addict will go to get their "fix".
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on June 30, 2012, 08:16:17 AM
probably shot up in the locker room.  when you are addicted it's pretty much the only thing you think about.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2012, 09:13:19 AM
Oh boy.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2012, 09:18:46 AM
ku folks seem to be really, really, really upset that the KC Star is covering this story.

Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2012, 09:29:11 AM

From my good friends at Tigerboard:
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KU trashed the former head of its drug testing program after he came out and alleged major improprieties in the drug testing program.

Anybody know anything about this.

 :bigtoke:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Trim on June 30, 2012, 09:33:15 AM
There were dudes on that team that had to rely on random EMAWs prank-calling them as their weed source.

This story: DEBUNKED
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2012, 09:56:16 AM
Me:  A full proponent of MCMW and smoke all the pot you want.

But I just can't help but  :lol: at all the "explaining" being done by the biggest bunch of finger pointers in college athletics.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on June 30, 2012, 09:58:00 AM
do you think the drug dealer traveled and sat with the team because they would go through withdrawals if they didn't get their fix?
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: ZmoneyKSU on June 30, 2012, 10:04:42 AM
I went to high school with the guy in the article. I did see him sitting behind the ku bench during several games over the past couple of years.  Often wondered what those tickets cost him, guess that answer is solved.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2012, 10:21:40 AM
Just a guy behind the bench, seems to be there regularly . . . but Seff and Cheyenne Zulu just don't have any idea who the guy is.

Wonder if he sat next to Doug Compton.

Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Trim on June 30, 2012, 10:23:03 AM
I bet the Feds had their eyes on Underwood's bro in OOD.  Particularly his chest hair.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: GoodForAnother on June 30, 2012, 10:25:38 AM
Seems pretty confirmed now that this is how Beasley got into that junk. Makes you sick, a good clean kid like that in a nice town like Manhattan only to be poisoned by those addicts from Lawrence.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on June 30, 2012, 10:28:25 AM
do you think he was a pusher?  made them do it to get them all hooked?
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2012, 10:32:00 AM
Its okay guys, at any given moment 66% of ALL, that's ALL college students are engaged in  :bong:

In fact, 56% have their dealer sitting on a chair behind the couch where they're engaged in  :bong: 

Mom and Dad visited several times but they just didn't have any idea who the guy was and will have no further comment.

Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 30, 2012, 11:00:14 AM
So how addicted are the current players?  I would imagine badly.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 30, 2012, 11:10:03 AM
do you think he was a pusher?  made them do it to get them all hooked?
I don't even wanna know SD. I heard the real pusher was self.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on June 30, 2012, 11:45:52 AM
do you think these junkies will be able to kick the smack or are they all lost causes?  on intervention they sometimes have to just let them go.  you can't force these people to get clean. 
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 30, 2012, 11:50:59 AM
do you think these junkies will be able to kick the smack or are they all lost causes?  on intervention they sometimes have to just let them go.  you can't force these people to get clean.

Apparently this guy wasn't the primary dealer.

So, they've got multiple dealers and that can't be a good sign.

T's and P's

But hey everyone, 66% of ALL college students are engaged in the use of illegal drugs at any given moment in time.

Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: yoga-like_abana on June 30, 2012, 11:51:50 AM
I bet if oscar took them out for some frozen chicken nuggets he could get through to them
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 30, 2012, 01:00:16 PM
Elijah basically admitted to being hooked on illegal drugs.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: GoodForAnother on June 30, 2012, 01:03:08 PM
I would like to see the city commission work on ways to keep KU players out of Manhattan. I mean, I understand that they come here to escape the racism and boredom of Lawrence, and I'm all for tourist dollars, but not at the risk of our own student athletes' innocence.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: I_have_purplewood on June 30, 2012, 01:33:10 PM
Think about all the times Trob went berserk on somebody and got a technical.  Very good chance he was hopped up on dope.   :ohno: :ohno: (ftp://:ohno: :ohno:)  We're so lucky nobody was ever hurt badly and that bath salts hadn't made their way to Lawrence.... Can you imagine?   :runaway: :runaway: (ftp://:runaway: :runaway:)
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 30, 2012, 01:40:24 PM
There should be a rule against trading student athlete tickets for illegal drugs.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Pete on June 30, 2012, 02:53:38 PM
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Assistant U.S. Attorney Terra Morehead told a federal magistrate that authorities seized $11,000 and an iPhone when they searched Villeareal’s house in May 2011.

She described him as a supplier of marijuana to a number of individuals, “including a number of Kansas University basketball players from the 2010-2011 season.”

“We know that because of the text messages we obtained from the iPhone and also from surveillance that was done throughout this investigation of Mr. Villeareal,” Morehead said, according to a transcript of the hearing obtained by The Star.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/29/3683465/prosecutor-accused-pot-dealer.html#.T-4Z64CMak4.facebook#storylink=cpy

This isn't "alleged" any longer.  When a U.S. Attorney goes on record and says that they have these FACTS, you have no where to hide.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 30, 2012, 03:05:46 PM
"team Intervention" with Dr. Drew!
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on June 30, 2012, 03:12:40 PM
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Assistant U.S. Attorney Terra Morehead told a federal magistrate that authorities seized $11,000 and an iPhone when they searched Villeareal’s house in May 2011.

She described him as a supplier of marijuana to a number of individuals, “including a number of Kansas University basketball players from the 2010-2011 season.”

“We know that because of the text messages we obtained from the iPhone and also from surveillance that was done throughout this investigation of Mr. Villeareal,” Morehead said, according to a transcript of the hearing obtained by The Star.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/29/3683465/prosecutor-accused-pot-dealer.html#.T-4Z64CMak4.facebook#storylink=cpy

This isn't "alleged" any longer.  When a U.S. Attorney goes on record and says that they have these FACTS, you have no where to hide.

Will those text messages become public record? 
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Cire on June 30, 2012, 03:14:51 PM
I wonder if they found those texts in the trash can folder on the iphone.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on June 30, 2012, 03:21:43 PM
BSAC is not answering calls or texts (quite a pickle).  any of you other attorneycats know about these texts and if we will see them?
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 30, 2012, 03:22:10 PM
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Assistant U.S. Attorney Terra Morehead told a federal magistrate that authorities seized $11,000 and an iPhone when they searched Villeareal’s house in May 2011.

She described him as a supplier of marijuana to a number of individuals, “including a number of Kansas University basketball players from the 2010-2011 season.”

“We know that because of the text messages we obtained from the iPhone and also from surveillance that was done throughout this investigation of Mr. Villeareal,” Morehead said, according to a transcript of the hearing obtained by The Star.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/29/3683465/prosecutor-accused-pot-dealer.html#.T-4Z64CMak4.facebook#storylink=cpy

This isn't "alleged" any longer.  When a U.S. Attorney goes on record and says that they have these FACTS, you have no where to hide.

Can confirm.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Pete on June 30, 2012, 03:22:27 PM
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Assistant U.S. Attorney Terra Morehead told a federal magistrate that authorities seized $11,000 and an iPhone when they searched Villeareal’s house in May 2011.

She described him as a supplier of marijuana to a number of individuals, “including a number of Kansas University basketball players from the 2010-2011 season.”

“We know that because of the text messages we obtained from the iPhone and also from surveillance that was done throughout this investigation of Mr. Villeareal,” Morehead said, according to a transcript of the hearing obtained by The Star.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/29/3683465/prosecutor-accused-pot-dealer.html#.T-4Z64CMak4.facebook#storylink=cpy

This isn't "alleged" any longer.  When a U.S. Attorney goes on record and says that they have these FACTS, you have no where to hide.

Will those text messages become public record?

I would think that they will, when they are submitted as evidence.  Should be a very good read. 
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on June 30, 2012, 03:23:25 PM
How much pressure will the Morningstars, Self, etc. put on the guy to plead guilty or take a whooping in a plea deal?  You have to think it never gets there.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 30, 2012, 03:24:42 PM
BSAC is not answering calls or texts (quite a pickle).  any of you other attorneycats know about these texts and if we will see them?

Doubtful.  They'd have to prosecute the players too and the AUSA doesn't bust pot heads.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on June 30, 2012, 03:26:08 PM
BSAC is not answering calls or texts (quite a pickle).  any of you other attorneycats know about these texts and if we will see them?

Doubtful.  They'd have to prosecute the players too and the AUSA doesn't bust pot heads.

that's too bad.  could be the only thing that saves them. 
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 30, 2012, 03:27:40 PM
How much pressure will the Morningstars, Self, etc. put on the guy to plead guilty or take a whooping in a plea deal?  You have to think it never gets there.

A ton.  I'd bet he ends up with a crim lawyer much higher than he can afford.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Pete on June 30, 2012, 03:35:42 PM
You can bet these guys got a phone call

http://www.whmllaw.com/Practice-Areas/Criminal-Defense.shtml
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: deputy dawg on June 30, 2012, 05:13:34 PM
Law enforcement works UP the supply chain, not down to the little fish (ku players).  They must have filled that phone with lots of pleas for contraband for the USAO to make specific mention of it.  Li'l bro has some drug problems, sounds like it's pretty bad.

I_have_purplewood, T-Rob has to be addicted to bath salts.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Stevesie60 on June 30, 2012, 05:30:22 PM
Good thing T-Rob just moved to California.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: p1k3 on June 30, 2012, 05:54:25 PM
T Rob has a little sister to take care of, but for him getting high is more important
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on June 30, 2012, 07:16:13 PM
T Rob has a little sister to take care of, but for him getting high is more important

yeah, when I saw him completely ignore that adorable girl at the draft I wondered what was up.  obviously more concerned with his next fix.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Pete on June 30, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
T Rob has a little sister to take care of, but for him getting high is more important

yeah, when I saw him completely ignore that adorable girl at the draft I wondered what was up.  obviously more concerned with his next fix.

This whole thing just makes me heart sick.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Pete on June 30, 2012, 08:39:13 PM
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Andy Katz ?@ESPNAndyKatz

KC Star and AP: Alleged dealer sold to Kansas players http://es.pn/LY5JPc
Expand


Anyone ever hear of this Katz fella?  Seems kinda small timey to me as it relates to college basketball.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 30, 2012, 08:45:55 PM
I don't think we can place blame on these addicted players, it's part of the ku culture.

T and Ps bigtime for ku recruits.  Just say no.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on June 30, 2012, 08:50:04 PM
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"He obviously knows who those are, and so do we because we have a cell phone and have all of that documentation."

is Self having them continue to deny their addiction?  they are dead in the water here.  acceptance that you are a junkie is the first step to recovery according to Intervention. 
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 30, 2012, 08:58:13 PM
Great opportunity for Bill Self to step up and accept responsibility and get his players treatment.

Go Bill!
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Pete on June 30, 2012, 09:04:57 PM
Expect to see Bill blow the doors off of this dope addiction tragedy.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Paul Moscow on June 30, 2012, 09:08:31 PM
You know how they say that prison helps criminals because they are able to learn from other people's techniques and make inroads with other bad  guys, ultimately leaving prison better criminals than when they came in? That reminds me of KU.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 01, 2012, 06:25:55 AM
Rumors of former players being engaged in the recruiting process to tell recruits they can ride the train all the want and they don't have to worry about the drug testing.

Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: CNS on July 01, 2012, 07:51:19 AM
Now it makes sense why they would allow three useless walk ons this year.  Need a lot of clean urine. This years team must be the junkieest yet.

I just hope these youngsters find the help they need to both escape this pattern of abuse and to fight the addictions.  The NCAA needs to understand the battered spouse likeness part of this and fully take this into account before they simply punish the punished again.

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Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Pete on July 01, 2012, 10:00:00 AM
Previously, I have been incredulous at the mere thought that Bill would leave for an NBA gig.  But if this crap comes up in the same year that San Antonio offers to double his salary :dunno:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on July 01, 2012, 10:01:28 AM
Now it makes sense why they would allow three useless walk ons this year.  Need a lot of clean urine. This years team must be the junkieest yet.

I just hope these youngsters find the help they need to both escape this pattern of abuse and to fight the addictions.  The NCAA needs to understand the battered spouse likeness part of this and fully take this into account before they simply punish the punished again.

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they don't random drug test.  they test incoming players only. 
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: pissclams on July 01, 2012, 11:23:29 AM
i can only imagine the texts become public and clams # shows up from the time i pranked those two asshats during Big12PAK
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Trim on July 01, 2012, 11:29:58 AM
i can only imagine the texts become public and clams # shows up from the time i pranked those two asshats during Big12PAK

:lol:  You're totally getting subpoena'd.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 01, 2012, 11:42:23 AM
i can only imagine the texts become public and clams # shows up from the time i pranked those two asshats during Big12PAK

 :pray:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: EMAWzified on July 01, 2012, 12:11:21 PM
This is really a black eye for this wonderful, previously untarnished program. :surprised:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 01, 2012, 12:39:01 PM
I bet self takes the spurs job now.  :surprised:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 01, 2012, 01:33:34 PM
 
I bet self takes the spurs job now.  :surprised:

No way.  The Bill Self I know and respect the hell of will stick around, implant sweeping changes with tough enforcement and get this wayward program back on track.

He knows their run to the NC game is now tarnished because the whole team was using drugs and he will want to redeem himself.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: CNS on July 01, 2012, 03:57:13 PM
Yeah bill is one "shucks" and one "come on guys" away from all this going away.  mean while Currie just ran Vaughn of because he couldn't find enough evidence to pin a pot related suspension on angel.

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Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 01, 2012, 05:43:47 PM
Yeah bill is one "shucks" and one "come on guys" away from all this going away.  mean while Currie just ran Vaughn of because he couldn't find enough evidence to pin a pot related suspension on angel.

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Please expand on this.

Title: Re: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: CNS on July 01, 2012, 08:44:33 PM
Yeah bill is one "shucks" and one "come on guys" away from all this going away.  mean while Currie just ran Vaughn of because he couldn't find enough evidence to pin a pot related suspension on angel.

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Please expand on this.

Completely made up

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Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Stevesie60 on July 01, 2012, 08:56:51 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: p1k3 on July 01, 2012, 09:07:50 PM
I cant stop thinking of TRobs little sister  :bawl:

Forget the state of Kansas, she's the real victim

Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Scary Smart on July 02, 2012, 08:08:16 AM
I was flipping through the radio this morning and heard Bob Fescoe on 610 going into full-on validation mode. Said that marijuana will be legal everywhere in the U.S. in 10 years anyways, so we shouldn't care about this at all. Also laughed and even raised his voice about how stupid a text message from a listener was that suggested that these basketball players are role models for young kids.  :frown:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 02, 2012, 08:12:57 AM
I was flipping through the radio this morning and heard Bob Fescoe on 610 going into full-on validation mode. Said that marijuana will be legal everywhere in the U.S. in 10 years anyways, so we shouldn't care about this at all. Also laughed and even raised his voice about how stupid a text message from a listener was that suggested that these basketball players are role models for young kids.  :frown:

This is going on at breakfast tables all across Johnson County this morning . . . chubby little ku housewives are talking over coffee about how "everybody does it these days" and giggling about that one time back in college.

Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: mocat on July 02, 2012, 09:26:08 AM
So I guess it is well-documented that marijuana is a gateway drug. Is this similar to how bacon is a gateway meat for vegetarians? Trying to wrap my head around all this guys, tia.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on July 02, 2012, 09:34:37 AM
count me as a person that couldn't care less about the goings on of all those thug gangbangers in lawrence, kc, topeka. i mean as long as they keep their meth and marijuana and gangs in those areas and don't bring it to manhattan then i'm fine with it. manhattan and kstate are still just such special places and i don't think sometimes we realize how lucky we all are to be associated with them.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on July 02, 2012, 09:41:44 AM
Do you guys think it's up to us as KStaters to step in and help these people?  Maybe we can all bus over there and have Rodney McGruder or JO or Angel talk to them about getting clean?  Maybe they just need good peer role models?  Like, each of our players can take one of their crank heads under their wing and get them clean?  I'm just posting potential ideas here.  I think we need to do something to help them. 
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: deputy dawg on July 02, 2012, 09:44:41 AM
Do you guys think it's up to us as KStaters to step in and help these people?  Maybe we can all bus over there and have Rodney McGruder or JO or Angel talk to them about getting clean?  Maybe they just need good peer role models?  Like, each of our players can take one of their crank heads under their wing and get them clean?  I'm just posting potential ideas here.  I think we need to do something to help them.

An admirable sentiment, but our players would be facing the wall of racism and repression that is ku and lawrentucky.  Drugs are the only escape from ku/lawrentucky/massa seff.  I believe in obeying the law, but what else do these players have to hold onto?
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: slobber on July 02, 2012, 09:47:14 AM
Do you guys think it's up to us as KStaters to step in and help these people?  Maybe we can all bus over there and have Rodney McGruder or JO or Angel talk to them about getting clean?  Maybe they just need good peer role models?  Like, each of our players can take one of their crank heads under their wing and get them clean?  I'm just posting potential ideas here.  I think we need to do something to help them.
Maybe we could do an exchange drug program with them? We could send Will to KU for a couple of seasons to try to clean them up, and in return, we would take ANYONE from KU into Manhattan for a couple of years to get him clean.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on July 02, 2012, 09:47:53 AM
Maybe Rodney and the fellas can call them though?  Let them know that they are available to counsel them about the benefits of living a clean life?  I'm going to email the AD about trying to set up some kind of support group for the KU kids.  I'm not ready to give up on them yet, unlike some.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: EllToPay on July 02, 2012, 09:57:33 AM
Maybe Rodney and the fellas can call them though?  Let them know that they are available to counsel them about the benefits of living a clean life?  I'm going to email the AD about trying to set up some kind of support group for the KU kids.  I'm not ready to give up on them yet, unlike some.

My initial thought is I don't want Rod or JO to be influenced by the stuff that happens over there. But then I think of Zulu and what is going on in his mind with the mess he inherited. What about him? We need to support our own, and I don't want to speak for Rod or JO, but I think they would want to help him. Even if that means diving in headfirst to the cesspool that consistenly happens there.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on July 02, 2012, 10:02:21 AM
I think just having the KU players observe Rod, JO, Angel, etc. in their daily lives would have a tremendous effect. Show them that you don't have to shoot up crack to have a good time.  Volunteering at a charity can also be a fun and rewarding experience without the side effect of permenantly branding you as a loser.   
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 02, 2012, 10:12:12 AM
I think just having the KU players observe Rod, JO, Angel, etc. in their daily lives would have a tremendous effect. Show them that you don't have to shoot up crack to have a good time.  Volunteering at a charity can also be a fun and rewarding experience without the side effect of permenantly branding you as a loser.

I am concerned that no one on the Kansas Jayhawks actually WANTS to quit using illegal drugs.  If you read the comments of their fans, using illegal drugs is what every college student ever does all the time so it's not a big deal.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 02, 2012, 10:18:58 AM
I'm just really concerned about this permissive attitude that seems to be running rampant not only throughout the entire institution, but amongst the fanbase as well.   The first line of action as Daris said is to put up a barrier between our fair school and their opium den lifestyle, and then possibly reach out collectively to intervene.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: kstatefreak42 on July 02, 2012, 03:00:48 PM
They were just blazin some herb.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: CNS on July 02, 2012, 03:45:59 PM
I think the situation is still to unpredictable to put one of our own into.  I mean, this it's the front line of the war on drugs. I would never forgive us if some thing bad happened and Rodney or JO became a casualty to the extremely dangerous situation that is Lawrence right now. 

I am all for a scared straight program or some other type of intervention but fear that it is to late for a tough love fix and that stronger measures may be needed.

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Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: deputy dawg on July 02, 2012, 03:53:31 PM
Maybe Turner Gill could be brought back to spread his message of good, clean living, restricted cell phones, no sex with women, etc.  THAT would be the tough love CNS Casey is talking about.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: star seed 7 on July 02, 2012, 06:10:36 PM
They were just blazin some herb.

squawk outed.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Ira Hayes on July 03, 2012, 12:11:16 PM
Maybe Rodney and the fellas can call them though?  Let them know that they are available to counsel them about the benefits of living a clean life?  I'm going to email the AD about trying to set up some kind of support group for the KU kids.  I'm not ready to give up on them yet, unlike some.

My initial thought is I don't want Rod or JO to be influenced by the stuff that happens over there. But then I think of Zulu and what is going on in his mind with the mess he inherited. What about him? We need to support our own, and I don't want to speak for Rod or JO, but I think they would want to help him. Even if that means diving in headfirst to the cesspool that consistenly happens there.

I'm with ETP on this issue.  As has been mentioned, just look at what happened to Michael Beasley.

Maybe we could send Deb.  Or, even better, bring Jon Wefald out of retirement for this assignment. 
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on July 03, 2012, 12:17:55 PM
I bet Travis Relaford is shooting up right now  :frown:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Ira Hayes on July 03, 2012, 12:19:48 PM
If Bill Self commits perjury I will be sad. Tell the truth, Bill! 
Title: Re: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: CNS on July 03, 2012, 01:12:05 PM
If Bill Self commits perjury I will be sad. Tell the truth, Bill!

Junkies lie all the time.  I would like to think that Bill may have been above using due to the well known Crack Commandment "don't get high on your own supply", but fear that Bill may have lost sight of this.  Hope I'm wrong, but it would sure explain why every Kansas BB player is so addicted to illegal drugs. 

Bill, they learned it from you. They leaned it by watching you.

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Title: Re: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Ira Hayes on July 03, 2012, 02:22:03 PM
If Bill Self commits perjury I will be sad. Tell the truth, Bill!

Junkies lie all the time.  I would like to think that Bill may have been above using due to the well known Crack Commandment "don't get high on your own supply", but fear that Bill may have lost sight of this.  Hope I'm wrong, but it would sure explain why every Kansas BB player is so addicted to illegal drugs. 

Bill, they learned it from you. They leaned it by watching you.

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Don't misunderstand me.  I didn't accuse Bill Self of smoking dope with his players...just like I didn't accuse Joe Paterno, Gary Schultz, or Tim Curley of buttfucking little boys in the shower with "Forrest Jer" Sandusky.
Title: Re: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 03, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
If Bill Self commits perjury I will be sad. Tell the truth, Bill!

Junkies lie all the time.  I would like to think that Bill may have been above using due to the well known Crack Commandment "don't get high on your own supply", but fear that Bill may have lost sight of this.  Hope I'm wrong, but it would sure explain why every Kansas BB player is so addicted to illegal drugs. 

Bill, they learned it from you. They leaned it by watching you.

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Don't misunderstand me.  I didn't accuse Bill Self of smoking dope with his players...just like I didn't accuse Joe Paterno, Gary Schultz, or Tim Curley of buttfucking little boys in the shower with "Forrest Jer" Sandusky.

Spot on analogy.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: kstatefreak42 on July 04, 2012, 10:52:59 AM
cannabis  lol.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: kstate16 on July 13, 2012, 08:54:50 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8162485/indictments-filed-kansas-jayhawks-linked-drug-ring

17 million dollars  :frown:

Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 08:58:08 AM
Thomas Robinson did $17 million dollars worth of smack  :frown:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: kstate16 on July 13, 2012, 09:02:12 AM
Thomas Robinson did $17 million dollars worth of smack  :frown:
That's really all I was able to take from that article.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: slobber on July 13, 2012, 09:02:45 AM
What I never understand about these things is that the cops were able to get enough evidence while undercover in order to account for $17M worth of drugs. What the hell, why didn't they bust after the first million?

Cop 1: "Uh, hey guys, we got proof that they have sold over one million dollars of drugs. Let's bust them tomorrow."
Cop 2: "No, lets drag this out. I want to be more famous for a bigger drug bust. Once we get somewhere north of $15M, then we can take them down."
All cops in unison: "Sounds like a plan."

The cops contributed to the drugging of the KU basketball team. The KU players are the victims here.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: CNS on July 13, 2012, 09:07:35 AM
I like how the article causally threw in the coke reference.

Sounds like the Mary Jane did it's gateway job and got the team hooked on Coke too.   :frown:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 09:07:44 AM
ot:  have you guys seen the movie "The Guard"?  when the irish cop guy would always get pissed about the FBI inflating the value of drug busts?  pretty funny.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 13, 2012, 09:42:56 AM
I guess the message is clear.  Play basketball for Bill Self at KU and get addicted to crack.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: CNS on July 13, 2012, 09:44:44 AM
Would explain the constant let downs the KU kids provide once getting to the NBA.  Can you imagine having to deal with the pressures of a new NBA life and trying to get clean at the same time?  Recipe for failure.

Bill is a monster.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 13, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
Would explain the constant let downs the KU kids provide once getting to the NBA.  Can you imagine having to deal with the pressures of a new NBA life and trying to get clean at the same time?  Recipe for failure.

Bill is a monster.

Would also explain the early round upsets.  They get tested in postseason.  Playing UNI while coming down off of cocaine would be a chore.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: CNS on July 13, 2012, 09:53:01 AM
Would explain the constant let downs the KU kids provide once getting to the NBA.  Can you imagine having to deal with the pressures of a new NBA life and trying to get clean at the same time?  Recipe for failure.

Bill is a monster.

Would also explain the early round upsets.  They get tested in postseason.  Playing UNI while coming down off of cocaine would be a chore.

Bill obviously understands that KU fans would rather win games by 50 over fort hays state than win in the post season.  Give the kids what they need during the season, feed the monster, then pray that the crash isn't too much to overcome in the post season.  I bet he lets some of his shittier players stay clean so that they are able to claim discipline problems when one of the starters can't get it together enough.  His recipe obvs nees more fine tuning. 
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 13, 2012, 10:14:05 AM
I would have never told Cole Aldrich he had "meth-mouth" had I known he had a serious drug problem. I feel like such an bad person.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 10:16:03 AM
guy on ku board said he has overheard Bill telling players he will give them their medicine if they play well.  :frown:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 13, 2012, 10:24:53 AM
guy on ku board said he has overheard Bill telling players he will give them their medicine if they play well.  :frown:
Yeah, everything I've heard from a KU board is usually 100% spot on, I'm afraid we're eff'd if this comes out.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 13, 2012, 10:26:25 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8162485/indictments-filed-kansas-jayhawks-linked-drug-ring

17 million dollars  :frown:
NEVER FORGET!- 7/13/2012
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 13, 2012, 10:28:11 AM
I'm not someone who does/uses/takes a lot of drugs. Is 5 kilograms of cocaine a large dose for the KU basketball team to be ingesting? It seems pretty small in comparison to the metric ton of marihuana.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 10:31:37 AM
I'm not someone who does/uses/takes a lot of drugs. Is 5 kilograms of cocaine a large dose for the KU basketball team to be ingesting? It seems pretty small in comparison to the metric ton of marihuana.

there are 12 members of the team not counting walkons so that is probably split about 15 ways.  you have to consider that too.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: EMAW4life-JHL on July 13, 2012, 10:33:09 AM
Jesus. KSU is over here testing every week and KU tests ONCE when you first arrive on campus.
Pretty easy. "Here's you scholarship please quit smoking and snorting for a couple weeks until you're on campus, then talk to Coach Self about where to start getting your dope once youve passed our drug test, that you'll pass regardless."
I hope they get the axe.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: CNS on July 13, 2012, 10:33:49 AM
I'm not someone who does/uses/takes a lot of drugs. Is 5 kilograms of cocaine a large dose for the KU basketball team to be ingesting? It seems pretty small in comparison to the metric ton of marihuana.

Ging, I have heard that the more you use, the more it takes.  Also, I have heard that once you use illegal drugs, you're constantly chasing that first high but unfortunately can't get it.  So they add a little more each time to try to get as good a high as the first time.

It's a miracle that no one has OD'ed under Bill's watch.  I bet they rely pretty hard on their Med school to keep those kind of problems under control.

Sad.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: DQ12 on July 13, 2012, 10:35:55 AM
so are they all addicted?
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 10:36:26 AM
so are they all addicted?

yes, according to the articles
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 13, 2012, 10:36:52 AM
Jesus. I hope they get the axe help for their drug addictions.

fyp.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: EMAW4life-JHL on July 13, 2012, 10:37:14 AM
so are they all addicted?
even selfs wife.
sad. just sad.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Cire on July 13, 2012, 10:39:25 AM
Seems that there are a lot of posters on phog that are friends with drug dealers with some good information.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: WillieWatanabe on July 13, 2012, 10:40:15 AM
so is that Freeh guy done in State College? We may need him to come down to Lawrence. :frown:
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: CNS on July 13, 2012, 10:44:07 AM
so is that Freeh guy done in State College? We may need him to come down to Lawrence. :frown:

If you take Bill and bb away from little bro, what will they have left?  Better to handle this in house/State.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: DQ12 on July 13, 2012, 10:47:36 AM
what a horrible story.

my heart goes out to the kumbb guys. 
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 13, 2012, 11:31:29 AM
Explains a lot about the persistant rumors that former/current players really pump up the lack of drug testing to recruits. 

Essentially they have 4 maybe 5 times during their entire career at ku, if they stay all 4/5 years that they have to worry about drug testing.   

Meanwhile Currie rolls out the pee cups at the drop of a hat.

Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: AbeFroman on July 13, 2012, 12:44:21 PM
Quote
As evidence of the allegations, investigators pointed to text messages on Villeareal's iPhone and law enforcement surveillance that saw him behind the KU bench talking to players during a game at the Sprint Center. [The Jayhawks played Colorado State on December 11, 2010, and the Big 12 Tournament from March 10-12 at the Sprint Center.]

 :sdeek:

It's like he's the Jerry Sandusky of weed and Seff is the Paterno.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 13, 2012, 12:52:54 PM
"Come on guys, gosh darn it, you've got to be more careful" Bill Self, recent ku team meeting (anguished looked, followed by shaking head awe shucks smile).

Enabler if there ever was one.


Sad . . . really

Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: unleashthemob on July 13, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
The NCAA needs to step in and shut that program down, but they won't..
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: SEK_EMAW on July 13, 2012, 01:03:10 PM
I'd be surprised if the Morris twins weren't stealing bikes on campus and selling them to support their habit.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 13, 2012, 01:04:00 PM
I'd be surprised if the Morris twins weren't stealing bikes on campus and selling them to support their habit.

Call into Keitzman's show and report that they did, he'll run with it.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: puniraptor on July 13, 2012, 02:19:04 PM
I'd be surprised if the Morris twins weren't stealing bikes on campus and selling them to support their habit.

Call into Keitzman's show and report that they did, he'll run with it.

They carried pellet guns in their pant legs to blast off bike locks if they were running late to practice (then they would sell them to support their habit, obv)
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Stevesie60 on July 13, 2012, 05:15:14 PM
I've read that going to a place where you used to do a lot of drugs, even after you've gotten clean, can give you the urge again. Context learning and what not. That's probably why the players never go back to Lawrence. They know how tough it'd be once their in that drug-pushing environment again.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 13, 2012, 08:38:42 PM
I've read that going to a place where you used to do a lot of drugs, even after you've gotten clean, can give you the urge again. Context learning and what not. That's probably why the players never go back to Lawrence. They know how tough it'd be once their in that drug-pushing environment again.

Pierce's condo at the Oread must be a drug den.
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: star seed 7 on July 13, 2012, 08:51:38 PM
Quote from: phog.net
My God...MU and KSU fans have got to be the most naive group of people on the planet.  Again, the prosecutor is just using the biggest sports team in this area KU bball, which is bigger than anything at MU or KSU or any pro teams) to gain attention to her case.

is phog a joke site?
Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2012, 07:53:34 AM
Quote from: phog.net
My God...MU and KSU fans have got to be the most naive group of people on the planet.  Again, the prosecutor is just using the biggest sports team in this area KU bball, which is bigger than anything at MU or KSU or any pro teams) to gain attention to her case.

is phog a joke site?

Pretty much.



Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: CNS on July 14, 2012, 08:14:02 AM
Enabling.  It's like the more bill hooks ku bb players on illegal drugs, the more they love and protect him.

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Title: Re: Entire KU Basketball Team Addicted To Dope
Post by: ChiComCat on July 16, 2012, 02:12:17 PM
Quote from: phog.net
My God...MU and KSU fans have got to be the most naive group of people on the planet.  Again, the prosecutor is just using the biggest sports team in this area KU bball, which is bigger than anything at MU or KSU or any pro teams) to gain attention to her case.

is phog a joke site?

Pretty much.

Rumor has it she is going to issue subpoenas to the Joe Montana, George Brett, Paul Rudd, and Tony Gonzalez to up the profile some more.