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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on June 26, 2012, 09:26:46 AM
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players, with that 24 team playoff that doesn't end until a championship game on January 7th.
Only the compassionate FBS Presidents truly care about the welfare of their football players.
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a 24 team playoff would be beyond dumb no matter who cared about who
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a 24 team playoff would be beyond dumb no matter who cared about who
No, no it wouldn't
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no, it would
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no, it would
SD hates money.
16 teams would be about as good.
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12 teams with the 11 conference champs and 1 at-large would be perfect. Just give the best 4 teams a first round bye and let the midmajors play Cinderella.
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24 team playoff going through January 7 would eliminate the bowl system.
Hence, not gonna happen.
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24 team playoff going through January 7 would eliminate the bowl system.
Hence, not gonna happen.
Not really, if there's still 3 other post-season bball tourneys I'm sure there'd still be room for bowl games. And yes, people would still watch them. None of the bowl games would really even lose prestige because of a playoff except for the BCS/Cotton Bowl types and all the NCAA would have to do is make those the sites for later rounds of the playoff.
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24 teams would be really dumb. Might as well let ku compete in the playoff.
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Just play all the games and then let the experts decide who is best....jeezus you rough ridin' retards drive me nuts with this playoff crap.
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24 teams would be really dumb. Might as well let ku compete in the playoff.
It would be incredibly entertaining, actually.
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24 teams would be really dumb. Might as well let ku compete in the playoff.
It would be incredibly entertaining, actually.
Entertaining untill half the roster is either dead or injured by the time they reach the NC game.
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Not really, if there's still 3 other post-season bball tourneys I'm sure there'd still be room for bowl games. And yes, people would still watch them. None of the bowl games would really even lose prestige because of a playoff except for the BCS/Cotton Bowl types and all the NCAA would have to do is make those the sites for later rounds of the playoff.
With a 24 team playoff, the top 24 teams would necessarily not be bowling. The top 12 bowls couldn't pick from the top 24 teams because they'd be in the playoff.
I'm no media guru, but I imagine lower Nielsen ratings for a Holiday Bowl matchup of Colorado State v. Memphis or an Alamo Bowl matchup of Kansas v. Cincinnati.
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24 teams would be really dumb. Might as well let ku compete in the playoff.
It would be incredibly entertaining, actually.
Entertaining untill half the roster is eaither dead or injured by the time they reach the NC game.
Why would it not still be entertaining after that? I would prefer 12 or 16, but 24 would still be great.
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So FCS players are tougher.
First round bye for the Top 8 seeds. I'd rather have guys hurt in games, than have guys hurt in bowl practice, and with as much as 5 to 6 weeks between the end of regular season games and bowls, you can't play touch football in practice the whole time.
Or just let a committee pick 4 teams and wait 6 or 7 weeks to play the games. :zzz:
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dax, who is your favorite NFL team?
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dax, who is your favorite NFL team?
What does that matter?
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
well, for starters, you are going to be leaving out roughly 7 of the top 12 teams every year.
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
I don't really care about fairness, because even at 24 they'll be 8 teams saying they got screwed. I just can't stand the idea of the absurd 5 plus week wait between the games. What other sport does that? That's right, NONE!
A real college football playoff is a license to print money.
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
The 11 conferences aren't equal.
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
well, for starters, you are going to be leaving out roughly 7 of the top 12 teams every year.
If you are not the best team in your conference, you are not the best team in the nation. Those teams would get nice bowl games as a consolation prize. Including the shitty conference champs rewards the best teams with a low hurdle to cross in the first round, and the top 4 teams would have a first round bye.
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
well, for starters, you are going to be leaving out roughly 7 of the top 12 teams every year.
If you are not the best team in your conference, you are not the best team in the nation. Those teams would get nice bowl games as a consolation prize. Including the shitty conference champs rewards the best teams with a low hurdle to cross in the first round, and the top 4 teams would have a first round bye.
oh jfc, not this crap again :flush:
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Basically anything other than the NFL model is unfair.
I think how college hoops is decided is equally absurd.
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
well, for starters, you are going to be leaving out roughly 7 of the top 12 teams every year.
If you are not the best team in your conference, you are not the best team in the nation. Those teams would get nice bowl games as a consolation prize. Including the shitty conference champs rewards the best teams with a low hurdle to cross in the first round, and the top 4 teams would have a first round bye.
Well, we better see if we can still get that mountain west or big east football invite still and go kick some ass.
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If you are not the best team in your conference, you are not the best team in the nation.
Alabama would beg to differ.
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
The 11 conferences aren't equal.
If they were equal, there would be no need to include conference champs.
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
The 11 conferences aren't equal.
If they were equal, there would be no need to include conference champs.
LOL WUT
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The 2 major college sports are these things where there's 120-300+ teams playing unbalanced schedules in various leagues with various rules. That's kind of weird. Accept that it's weird and that there's no way to whittle down that many teams and variables into a playoff that properly determines the best team.
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
The 11 conferences aren't equal.
If they were equal, there would be no need to include conference champs.
LOL WUT
If the conferences were all equal, it would be fair to just look at records and competition and pick the best teams. They are not, though, so if we are going to a big playoff, it's only fair to teams like last season's Houston to include auto-bids to conference champs. Who cares if they aren't one of the best 12 teams? As long as the best 3 or 4 teams are in the playoff, it doesn't really matter.
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the points you are making are not supporting the side of the argument that you think they are....
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The 2 major college sports are these things where there's 120-300+ teams playing unbalanced schedules in various leagues with various rules. That's kind of weird. Accept that it's weird and that there's no way to whittle down that many teams and variables into a playoff that properly determines the best team.
Well, you are correct in saying that there is no fair way to determine the best team. A playoff with auto-bids for all conference champs is a fair way of determining a champion, though. It would ensure that there is never an undefeated team at the end of any season who is not the national champ.
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the points you are making are not supporting the side of the argument that you think they are....
I'm trying to argue for a playoff system that will give us a national championship between the best 2 teams in the nation just about every year. A field that includes the Sun Belt, Conference USA, MAC, WAC, Big East, and ACC champs will make that happen more often than not. The risk of an upset is minimized.
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the points you are making are not supporting the side of the argument that you think they are....
I'm trying to argue for a playoff system that will give us a national championship between the best 2 teams in the nation just about every year. A field that includes the Sun Belt, Conference USA, MAC, WAC, Big East, and ACC champs will make that happen more often than not. The risk of an upset is minimized.
Yep, just like the hoops tourney.
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the points you are making are not supporting the side of the argument that you think they are....
I'm trying to argue for a playoff system that will give us a national championship between the best 2 teams in the nation just about every year. A field that includes the Sun Belt, Conference USA, MAC, WAC, Big East, and ACC champs will make that happen more often than not. The risk of an upset is minimized.
Yep, just like the hoops tourney.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but upsets occur much more regularly in hoops than in football. Also, if Alabama or LSU would have been eliminated in the playoff by Northern Illinois, that would have been infinitely more entertaining than anything that happened in any of last year's bowls.
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If you are not the best team in your conference, you are not the best team in the nation.
Alabama would beg to differ.
Alabama would have been the at-large and gotten a first round bye.
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If you are not the best team in your conference, you are not the best team in the nation.
Alabama would beg to differ.
Alabama would have been the at-large and gotten a first round bye.
Stanford or Oregon left out in favor of whoever won the sunbelt?
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If you are not the best team in your conference, you are not the best team in the nation.
Alabama would beg to differ.
Alabama would have been the at-large and gotten a first round bye.
Stanford or Oregon left out in favor of whoever won the sunbelt?
Yeah, they could have played Michigan State and Kansas State in the Rose and Fiesta Bowls.
*EDIT: Actually, Oregon would have been in the playoff.
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I vote for nuts kicked's plan as worst plan so far. back to the drawing board ira hayes. you've got some scheming to do.
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My plan is go back to pre-bowl alliance and all teams and conferences do whatever they want for their own benefit. Big 12 & SEC will have their champion's bowl and tell the world to go eff itself. If KSU ever goes undefeated and some other team is too, choke out anybody who tries to tell you KSU isn't national champ.
I'm fine with the regular season or conference champ games/tourneys running deeper into December so there's less off time before bowls.
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My plan is go back to pre-bowl alliance and all teams and conferences do whatever they want for their own benefit. Big 12 & SEC will have their champion's bowl and tell the world to go eff itself. If KSU ever goes undefeated and some other team is too, choke out anybody who tries to tell you KSU isn't national champ.
I'm fine with the regular season or conference champ games/tourneys running deeper into December so there's less off time before bowls.
I would support that because it is better than what we have now.
A playoff would be entertaining. That's all I'm saying, and at the end of the day, entertainment is all that matters.
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My plan is go back to pre-bowl alliance and all teams and conferences do whatever they want for their own benefit. Big 12 & SEC will have their champion's bowl and tell the world to go eff itself. If KSU ever goes undefeated and some other team is too, choke out anybody who tries to tell you KSU isn't national champ.
I'm fine with the regular season or conference champ games/tourneys running deeper into December so there's less off time before bowls.
this would be great
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My plan is go back to pre-bowl alliance and all teams and conferences do whatever they want for their own benefit. Big 12 & SEC will have their champion's bowl and tell the world to go eff itself. If KSU ever goes undefeated and some other team is too, choke out anybody who tries to tell you KSU isn't national champ.
I'm fine with the regular season or conference champ games/tourneys running deeper into December so there's less off time before bowls.
I've been saying that for awhile, either put in a real playoff, or just go back to the old days of arguing and multiple schools claiming national titles.
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Great, looks like goEMAW's solved another crisis. What's next?
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
The 11 conferences aren't equal.
If they were equal, there would be no need to include conference champs.
LOL WUT
If the conferences were all equal, it would be fair to just look at records and competition and pick the best teams. They are not, though, so if we are going to a big playoff, it's only fair to teams like last season's Houston to include auto-bids to conference champs. Who cares if they aren't one of the best 12 teams? As long as the best 3 or 4 teams are in the playoff, it doesn't really matter.
What you are suggesting is essentially the way a champion is crowned in nearly every other sport, only instead of conference champions, it's usually division champions. Baseball, football, basketball...all start with qualifying for the "playoffs" by winning your division or your conference or whatever. And this clearly doesn't ever work because it takes the human element out of things. How much more awesome would it be if the NFL would allow a panel to pick the best teams to play each other regardless of that teams record...that would be way better than this crap they have now. The Yankees should always make the playoffs regardless of where they finish because they ALWAYS have the best team with the best talent...just because they don't win doesn't mean they aren't the better team. Get on board people...jeezus.
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My plan is go back to pre-bowl alliance and all teams and conferences do whatever they want for their own benefit. Big 12 & SEC will have their champion's bowl and tell the world to go eff itself. If KSU ever goes undefeated and some other team is too, choke out anybody who tries to tell you KSU isn't national champ.
I'm fine with the regular season or conference champ games/tourneys running deeper into December so there's less off time before bowls.
I would support that because it is better than what we have now.
Better than Prince!
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I prefer several postseason games with implications on the outcome to one single game. I don't like a committee picking the best 8 or 12 teams or whatever because we would rarely end up with #1 vs #2 at the end. The conference champs +1 at large would put the best 3 teams into a watered down field just about every season, and it would be a lot of fun watching games like Louisiana Tech @ Wisconsin in the first round of the playoffs.
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My plan is go back to pre-bowl alliance and all teams and conferences do whatever they want for their own benefit. Big 12 & SEC will have their champion's bowl and tell the world to go eff itself. If KSU ever goes undefeated and some other team is too, choke out anybody who tries to tell you KSU isn't national champ.
I'm fine with the regular season or conference champ games/tourneys running deeper into December so there's less off time before bowls.
I would support that because it is better than what we have now.
Better than Prince!
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
The 11 conferences aren't equal.
If they were equal, there would be no need to include conference champs.
LOL WUT
If the conferences were all equal, it would be fair to just look at records and competition and pick the best teams. They are not, though, so if we are going to a big playoff, it's only fair to teams like last season's Houston to include auto-bids to conference champs. Who cares if they aren't one of the best 12 teams? As long as the best 3 or 4 teams are in the playoff, it doesn't really matter.
What you are suggesting is essentially the way a champion is crowned in nearly every other sport, only instead of conference champions, it's usually division champions. Baseball, football, basketball...all start with qualifying for the "playoffs" by winning your division or your conference or whatever. And this clearly doesn't ever work because it takes the human element out of things. How much more awesome would it be if the NFL would allow a panel to pick the best teams to play each other regardless of that teams record...that would be way better than this crap they have now. The Yankees should always make the playoffs regardless of where they finish because they ALWAYS have the best team with the best talent...just because they don't win doesn't mean they aren't the better team. Get on board people...jeezus.
It's about time you came around. Why can't we just pick the two teams everybody wants to watch, regardless of the record. It would be great for the networks; and every big time school's dream match. :drool:
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
The 11 conferences aren't equal.
If they were equal, there would be no need to include conference champs.
LOL WUT
If the conferences were all equal, it would be fair to just look at records and competition and pick the best teams. They are not, though, so if we are going to a big playoff, it's only fair to teams like last season's Houston to include auto-bids to conference champs. Who cares if they aren't one of the best 12 teams? As long as the best 3 or 4 teams are in the playoff, it doesn't really matter.
What you are suggesting is essentially the way a champion is crowned in nearly every other sport, only instead of conference champions, it's usually division champions. Baseball, football, basketball...all start with qualifying for the "playoffs" by winning your division or your conference or whatever. And this clearly doesn't ever work because it takes the human element out of things. How much more awesome would it be if the NFL would allow a panel to pick the best teams to play each other regardless of that teams record...that would be way better than this crap they have now. The Yankees should always make the playoffs regardless of where they finish because they ALWAYS have the best team with the best talent...just because they don't win doesn't mean they aren't the better team. Get on board people...jeezus.
Yeah, if we want to cut down CFB to 32 teams and mandate that they play 8 home and 8 away with home&home vs. their division opponents & then have various levels of playoff benefits based on how teams do in their uniform regular seasons, that would work.
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
The 11 conferences aren't equal.
If they were equal, there would be no need to include conference champs.
LOL WUT
If the conferences were all equal, it would be fair to just look at records and competition and pick the best teams. They are not, though, so if we are going to a big playoff, it's only fair to teams like last season's Houston to include auto-bids to conference champs. Who cares if they aren't one of the best 12 teams? As long as the best 3 or 4 teams are in the playoff, it doesn't really matter.
What you are suggesting is essentially the way a champion is crowned in nearly every other sport, only instead of conference champions, it's usually division champions. Baseball, football, basketball...all start with qualifying for the "playoffs" by winning your division or your conference or whatever. And this clearly doesn't ever work because it takes the human element out of things. How much more awesome would it be if the NFL would allow a panel to pick the best teams to play each other regardless of that teams record...that would be way better than this crap they have now. The Yankees should always make the playoffs regardless of where they finish because they ALWAYS have the best team with the best talent...just because they don't win doesn't mean they aren't the better team. Get on board people...jeezus.
Yeah, if we want to cut down CFB to 32 teams and mandate that they play 8 home and 8 away with home&home vs. their division opponents & then have various levels of playoff benefits based on how teams do in their uniform regular seasons, that would work.
Yes because the way conference champions are crowned now is so subjective...it allows a team like LSU to win their conference while they were a clearly inferior team to Alabama. I mean sure LSU beat Alabama in conference play but they were not the better team. Conference champions are seldom the best team in their conference....the only way to determine which team is best is to have experts vote on it.
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IDGAF who wins the supposed NC in any college sport. With as many teams as there are and as few of games as there are and non-uniform rules and scheduling, it's impossible to have a fair champion regardless of the system. Don't worry about it.
What is unfair about 12 teams with 11 conference champs and 1 at-large?
The 11 conferences aren't equal.
If they were equal, there would be no need to include conference champs.
LOL WUT
If the conferences were all equal, it would be fair to just look at records and competition and pick the best teams. They are not, though, so if we are going to a big playoff, it's only fair to teams like last season's Houston to include auto-bids to conference champs. Who cares if they aren't one of the best 12 teams? As long as the best 3 or 4 teams are in the playoff, it doesn't really matter.
What you are suggesting is essentially the way a champion is crowned in nearly every other sport, only instead of conference champions, it's usually division champions. Baseball, football, basketball...all start with qualifying for the "playoffs" by winning your division or your conference or whatever. And this clearly doesn't ever work because it takes the human element out of things. How much more awesome would it be if the NFL would allow a panel to pick the best teams to play each other regardless of that teams record...that would be way better than this crap they have now. The Yankees should always make the playoffs regardless of where they finish because they ALWAYS have the best team with the best talent...just because they don't win doesn't mean they aren't the better team. Get on board people...jeezus.
Yeah, if we want to cut down CFB to 32 teams and mandate that they play 8 home and 8 away with home&home vs. their division opponents & then have various levels of playoff benefits based on how teams do in their uniform regular seasons, that would work.
Yes because the way conference champions are crowned now is so subjective...it allows a team like LSU to win their conference while they were a clearly inferior team to Alabama. I mean sure LSU beat Alabama in conference play but they were not the better team. Conference champions are seldom the best team in their conference....the only way to determine which team is best is to have experts vote on it.
Not even the argument I was having, but yeah.
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You tards. We'll never get to 1000 pages in the Cigars thread if you keep starting new threads to discuss this.