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Angel Rodriguez thinks his game will fit right in with new coach oscar Weber
When a new coach arrives, few positions face more change than point guard. With that in mind, Angel Rodriguez had a little thinking to do when Frank Martin left for South Carolina and oscar Weber was hired at Kansas State.
The sophomore point guard had a successful first season with the Wildcats, and became a starter as the season went along. But his up-tempo style, his aggressiveness and his tendency to create his own shot aren’t for everybody.
Some coaches like their point guard to shoot first. Others like their point guard to pass all the time.
Ultimately, Rodriguez decided his game would fit in – and maybe even thrive – with Weber’s coaching style. Two months after the coaching change, he has no regrets.
“I am loving everything about this new coaching staff,” Rodriguez said following a practice earlier this week. “They are nice people. I like their system. It just seems like we are going to enjoy playing for Coach oscar and his people.”
Of course, it took him a week or so to come to that conclusion. While never publicly saying he was considering a transfer, the idea crossed his mind when he took a relaxing trip home to Puerto Rico and saw his family for the first time in six months.
“It was something that I had to think about and talk to my mom and my people about,” Rodriguez said. “It wasn’t just something I was going to decide right away. It did take me a little bit of time, but at the end of the day I’m just trying to make the best decision for myself and my family. oscar was a nice person and he deserved a chance. That’s why we decided to stay.”
Rodriguez quickly warmed to Weber because of his success coaching guards over the years, and his friendly demeanor. Rodriguez said he also grew fond of K-State since committing to the team almost entirely because Martin was the coach out of high school.
“I was a starter in the Big 12 as a freshman,” Rodriguez said. “Not everyone has a chance to do that.”
With all but two scholarship players returning, Rodriguez will be part of a strong team next season. The idea of starting over somewhere else was anything but ideal.
“I told Frank, ‘You know I’ll never be mad at you. You have to do what you think is right for you and your family,’” Rodriguez said. “But then after I said that I had to think about myself. As much as I love him, I just didn’t want to sit out a year and everything was really looking good here. There was really no reason for me to leave.”
Rodriguez hasn’t had a lot of time to adjust to Weber’s coaching style yet. He suffered a tendon injury in his thumb while committing a foul late in a season-ending loss to Syracuse, and he had to undergo surgery. He has spent part of his offseason recovering from it, and says he still isn’t allowed to make passes in practice.
But he is getting healthier every day. And he can already tell he likes Weber’s offensive system.
“I think it will be a great system for me,” Rodriguez said. “That’s actually one of the reasons why I stayed. They are different type of coaches. Coach Frank was a little bit more aggressive. They both have great philosophies. They both have good things. But I think Coach oscar will be, I guess, more flexible at times and let us play a little bit more.”
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and says he still isn’t allowed to make passes in practice.
This is great news.
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Coach oscar
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steve dave's nazi descent confirmed.
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you have to admit hearing them love the crap out of oscar feels good
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I love our players so much I want to buy in to their opinions even when I know they are outright lies! :eye:
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Part of me worries that all our guys like the change simply because it is the off season and there isn't anyone around calling them selfish pussies.
I mean, I am sure they feel like they are playing well, but they are playing against other guys on the team who are just happy someone isn't around calling them selfish pussies.
I just don't know if all this happy is going to translate to a better team.
What happens when they finally play a team full of people who have someone calling them selfish and weak all off season and it blows up in their face? What then? I mean, other than oscar throwing them under the bus, what then?
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you have to admit hearing them love the crap out of oscar feels good
not really
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steve dave's nazi descent confirmed.
one of these times it will be funny sys.
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you have to admit hearing them love the crap out of oscar feels good
absolutely, eff michigancat.
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I love our players so much I want to buy in to their opinions even when I know they are outright lies! :eye:
Please, please, please tell me Webster is paying these guys to say this. The fact that he almost has to be paying them is the only glimmer of hope that I have that he may not suck ass for 9 years and then leave.
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has more to do with the staff than oscar himself. which is fine.
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has more to do with the staff than oscar himself. which is fine.
it's more than fine. it's fantastic. we know what we got when oscar was shoved down our throats. we can hold out hope we got something much better with 2/3 of the staff.
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the good part was when he called currie and his band of propagandizing sycophants a bunch of racist liars.
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steve dave's nazi descent confirmed.
one of these times it will be funny sys.
williewatanbe, if you think i am trying to be amusing, you are incredibly mistaken. you cannot imagine my hatred.
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the good part was when he called currie and his band of propagandizing sycophants a bunch of racist liars.
that part was also great!
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the good part was when he called currie and his band of propagandizing sycophants a bunch of racist liars.
that part was also great!
shut up, nazi.
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the good part was when he called currie and his band of propagandizing sycophants a bunch of racist liars.
that part was also great!
shut up, nazi.
:rolleyes:
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Coach oscar
cruce?
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Looks like the inmates are running the asylum and stuff or whatever.
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Looks like the inmates are running the asylum and stuff or whatever.
angel would run a fantastic asylum
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Yeah his asylum would probably win the asylum championship for best overall asylum. But Shane's asylum would win most adorable asylum smile.
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steve dave's nazi descent confirmed.
one of these times it will be funny sys.
williewatanbe, if you think i am trying to be amusing, you are incredibly mistaken. you cannot imagine my hatred.
sy, apparently.
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Part of me worries that all our guys like the change simply because it is the off season and there isn't anyone around calling them selfish pussies.
I mean, I am sure they feel like they are playing well, but they are playing against other guys on the team who are just happy someone isn't around calling them selfish pussies.
I just don't know if all this happy is going to translate to a better team.
What happens when they finally play a team full of people who have someone calling them selfish and weak all off season and it blows up in their face? What then? I mean, other than oscar throwing them under the bus, what then?
Some of them might literally cry on the bench during a game in which they're being blown out by a shitty team. Coach oscar demands emotional sensitivity. If a team like say Nebraska puts it square in your butt without any lube you go ahead and cry because you know what it's painful and that's a natural response. Hs and Cs, guys, Hs and Cs. Hugs and Custards from here on out.
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Guys, it's simple. If you Angel is happy, i'm happy. :brushingoffhands:
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The only difference between Frank Martin and oscar Weber is that one of them is an bad person.
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and says he still isn’t allowed to make passes in practice.
This is great news.
This was literally, word-for-word, going to be my post.
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the good part was when he called currie and his band of propagandizing sycophants a bunch of racist liars.
Take it to the pit Grumpy McPout
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you have to admit hearing them love the crap out of oscar feels good
Dude, have you not paid attention? This is the least surprising and most predictable thing ever. Coach oscar isn't the guy that will have players dislike him. I'd be willing to bet he's never had a player go on record with horrible things to say about Coach oscar. He is the type of coach that will tell you atta boy and then take you out for chicken nuggets.
Even players who feed off of screamers won't be pissed at the easy going guy. No one ever doubted whether or not the team would buy in.
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and says he still isn’t allowed to make passes in practice.
This is great news.
It's only great news if "passes" doesn't include lobs to JO.
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Part of me worries that all our guys like the change simply because it is the off season and there isn't anyone around calling them selfish pussies.
I mean, I am sure they feel like they are playing well, but they are playing against other guys on the team who are just happy someone isn't around calling them selfish pussies.
I just don't know if all this happy is going to translate to a better team.
What happens when they finally play a team full of people who have someone calling them selfish and weak all off season and it blows up in their face? What then? I mean, other than oscar throwing them under the bus, what then?
I always loved it in grade school when I'd show up to class and there would be a substitute teacher. Those were some of the best days ever.
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The only thing I keep thinking about is how interesting it's going to be to watch a bunch of players who have (mostly) shown limited ability to jump shoot play for a coach who loves jump shooting. Maybe they'll be better at it since their legs won't be tired from grueling practices and playing defense and escaping house fires.
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The only thing I keep thinking about is how interesting it's going to be to watch a bunch of players who have (mostly) shown limited ability to jump shoot play for a coach who loves jump shooting. Maybe they'll be better at it since their legs won't be tired from grueling practices and playing defense and escaping house fires.
we'll be pretty good next year. it's four years down the road when we're playing dana altman ksu basketball will be the interesting part. or not. people probably won't care by then.
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The only thing I keep thinking about is how interesting it's going to be to watch a bunch of players who have (mostly) shown limited ability to jump shoot play for a coach who loves jump shooting. Maybe they'll be better at it since their legs won't be tired from grueling practices and playing defense and escaping house fires.
are there coaches that don't like jump shots?
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and says he still isn’t allowed to make passes in practice.
This is great news.
This was literally, word-for-word, going to be my post.
:cheers:
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The only thing I keep thinking about is how interesting it's going to be to watch a bunch of players who have (mostly) shown limited ability to jump shoot play for a coach who loves jump shooting. Maybe they'll be better at it since their legs won't be tired from grueling practices and playing defense and escaping house fires.
are there coaches that don't like jump shots?
I'm sure they'd all rather have it. But some of them make up for not recruiting great shooters by playing gritty d and pounding the o-boards. Not sure Weber will emphasize those things to the extent necessary. But Southy and Sprads and Irving will no doubt push us to victory with their outstanding jump shooting.
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The only thing I keep thinking about is how interesting it's going to be to watch a bunch of players who have (mostly) shown limited ability to jump shoot play for a coach who loves jump shooting. Maybe they'll be better at it since their legs won't be tired from grueling practices and playing defense and escaping house fires.
are there coaches that don't like jump shots?
I'm sure they'd all rather have it. But some of them make up for not recruiting great shooters by playing gritty d and pounding the o-boards. Not sure Weber will emphasize those things to the extent necessary. But Southy and Sprads and Irving will no doubt push us to victory with their outstanding jump shooting.
:flush:
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Part of me worries that all our guys like the change simply because it is the off season and there isn't anyone around calling them selfish pussies.
I mean, I am sure they feel like they are playing well, but they are playing against other guys on the team who are just happy someone isn't around calling them selfish pussies.
I just don't know if all this happy is going to translate to a better team.
What happens when they finally play a team full of people who have someone calling them selfish and weak all off season and it blows up in their face? What then? I mean, other than oscar throwing them under the bus, what then?
The answer to your question is that oscar has to have an enforcer as an assistant coach. The only question is who will that be--will it be Lowery? Frazier? Will oscar be able to enforce a discipline that when a player comes running to him, he tells them they're crying to the wrong cat, and re-direct them back to the enforcer? So many questions, so few answers.
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“I told Frank, ‘You know I’ll never be mad at you. You have to do what you think is right for you and your family,’” Rodriguez said. “But then after I said that I had to think about myself. As much as I love him, I just didn’t want to sit out a year and everything was really looking good here. There was really no reason for me to leave.”
Is it just me, or does this quote make it seem like Frank asked Angel to come with him to SC? Isn't that a major violation? Shouldn't SC be on like 15 year probation or something?
:popcorn:
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yes, it does. no, it isn't.
ar-t is a basketball genius, of course martin wanted him to transfer to usc.
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Part of me worries that all our guys like the change simply because it is the off season and there isn't anyone around calling them selfish pussies.
I mean, I am sure they feel like they are playing well, but they are playing against other guys on the team who are just happy someone isn't around calling them selfish pussies.
I just don't know if all this happy is going to translate to a better team.
What happens when they finally play a team full of people who have someone calling them selfish and weak all off season and it blows up in their face? What then? I mean, other than oscar throwing them under the bus, what then?
The answer to your question is that oscar has to have an enforcer as an assistant coach. The only question is who will that be--will it be Lowery? Frazier? Will oscar be able to enforce a discipline that when a player comes running to him, he tells them they're crying to the wrong cat, and re-direct them back to the enforcer? So many questions, so few answers.
It isn't high school basketball
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The only thing I keep thinking about is how interesting it's going to be to watch a bunch of players who have (mostly) shown limited ability to jump shoot play for a coach who loves jump shooting. Maybe they'll be better at it since their legs won't be tired from grueling practices and playing defense and escaping house fires.
are there coaches that don't like jump shots?
I'm sure they'd all rather have it. But some of them make up for not recruiting great shooters by playing gritty d and pounding the o-boards. Not sure Weber will emphasize those things to the extent necessary. But Southy and Sprads and Irving will no doubt push us to victory with their outstanding jump shooting.
Frank and Hugs both basically depend on good jumpshooters. The rebounding and defense help things outu when we have crappy shooters, but both coaches depend on jumpshooters, especially jumpshooters who can create their own shot. Or maybe im wrong.
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The only thing I keep thinking about is how interesting it's going to be to watch a bunch of players who have (mostly) shown limited ability to jump shoot play for a coach who loves jump shooting. Maybe they'll be better at it since their legs won't be tired from grueling practices and playing defense and escaping house fires.
are there coaches that don't like jump shots?
I'm sure they'd all rather have it. But some of them make up for not recruiting great shooters by playing gritty d and pounding the o-boards. Not sure Weber will emphasize those things to the extent necessary. But Southy and Sprads and Irving will no doubt push us to victory with their outstanding jump shooting.
Frank and Hugs both basically depend on good jumpshooters. The rebounding and defense help things outu when we have crappy shooters, but both coaches depend on jumpshooters, especially jumpshooters who can create their own shot. Or maybe im wrong.
I think you're wrong. Sorry. :frown:
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OMG oscar!! :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid:
I knew this was a steve dave sock.
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“They are nice people. I like their system. It just seems like we are going to enjoy playing for Coach oscar and his people.”
"oscar was a nice person and he deserved a chance. That’s why we decided to stay.”
“I think it will be a great system for me,” Rodriguez said. “That’s actually one of the reasons why I stayed. They are different type of coaches. Coach Frank was a little bit more aggressive. They both have great philosophies. They both have good things. But I think Coach oscar will be, I guess, more flexible at times and let us play a little bit more.”
Angel stayed. I know this and am eternally grateful. Nothing about a coach being nice, or players staying simply because he is nice, reassures me at all.
Nice will be nice for the tucks next year when the team is winning.
Nice will not be nice for the players under the bus, or the lack of winning that is coming.
Sorry... I got all excited when I saw this article that Angel would give some insights about oscar's offense and give me some kind of substantive reason for optimism. All I got was "I haven't been around him much, but he's nice... oh and he likes guards. That's cool"
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“They are nice people. I like their system. It just seems like we are going to enjoy playing for Coach oscar and his people.”
"oscar was a nice person and he deserved a chance. That’s why we decided to stay.”
“I think it will be a great system for me,” Rodriguez said. “That’s actually one of the reasons why I stayed. They are different type of coaches. Coach Frank was a little bit more aggressive. They both have great philosophies. They both have good things. But I think Coach oscar will be, I guess, more flexible at times and let us play a little bit more.”
Angel stayed. I know this and am eternally grateful. Nothing about a coach being nice, or players staying simply because he is nice, reassures me at all.
Nice will be nice for the tucks next year when the team is winning.
Nice will not be nice for the players under the bus, or the lack of winning that is coming.
Sorry... I got all excited when I saw this article that Angel would give some insights about oscar's offense and give me some kind of substantive reason for optimism. All I got was "I haven't been around him much, but he's nice... oh and he likes guards. That's cool"
Yes, let's be as negative as possible. That makes sense.
There is a valid argument that's been made that those who are used to Frank's style of coaching would be relieved by an approach that is far softer. The conclusion can very reasonably be that these quotes from Angel, JO, and co are in no way really indicative of oscar Weber's future success. But to try to turn it into a negative is just asinine. Sorry.
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“They are nice people. I like their system. It just seems like we are going to enjoy playing for Coach oscar and his people.”
"oscar was a nice person and he deserved a chance. That’s why we decided to stay.”
“I think it will be a great system for me,” Rodriguez said. “That’s actually one of the reasons why I stayed. They are different type of coaches. Coach Frank was a little bit more aggressive. They both have great philosophies. They both have good things. But I think Coach oscar will be, I guess, more flexible at times and let us play a little bit more.”
Angel stayed. I know this and am eternally grateful. Nothing about a coach being nice, or players staying simply because he is nice, reassures me at all.
Nice will be nice for the tucks next year when the team is winning.
Nice will not be nice for the players under the bus, or the lack of winning that is coming.
Sorry... I got all excited when I saw this article that Angel would give some insights about oscar's offense and give me some kind of substantive reason for optimism. All I got was "I haven't been around him much, but he's nice... oh and he likes guards. That's cool"
Yes, let's be as negative as possible. That makes sense.
There is a valid argument that's been made that those who are used to Frank's style of coaching would be relieved by an approach that is far softer. The conclusion can very reasonably be that these quotes from Angel, JO, and co are in no way really indicative of oscar Weber's future success. But to try to turn it into a negative is just asinine. Sorry.
Face nit, when Weber is fired from KSU, the players will be as soft as your momma's titty
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“They are nice people. I like their system. It just seems like we are going to enjoy playing for Coach oscar and his people.”
"oscar was a nice person and he deserved a chance. That’s why we decided to stay.”
“I think it will be a great system for me,” Rodriguez said. “That’s actually one of the reasons why I stayed. They are different type of coaches. Coach Frank was a little bit more aggressive. They both have great philosophies. They both have good things. But I think Coach oscar will be, I guess, more flexible at times and let us play a little bit more.”
Angel stayed. I know this and am eternally grateful. Nothing about a coach being nice, or players staying simply because he is nice, reassures me at all.
Nice will be nice for the tucks next year when the team is winning.
Nice will not be nice for the players under the bus, or the lack of winning that is coming.
Sorry... I got all excited when I saw this article that Angel would give some insights about oscar's offense and give me some kind of substantive reason for optimism. All I got was "I haven't been around him much, but he's nice... oh and he likes guards. That's cool"
Yes, let's be as negative as possible. That makes sense.
There is a valid argument that's been made that those who are used to Frank's style of coaching would be relieved by an approach that is far softer. The conclusion can very reasonably be that these quotes from Angel, JO, and co are in no way really indicative of oscar Weber's future success. But to try to turn it into a negative is just asinine. Sorry.
He can be as negative as he wants. It's fine if everything he says is negative and all his posts are negative and it's fine if he turns every little thing into a negative. You can't stop him.
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It's fine
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I hate when players like the coaches. Respect the crap out of them, but don't like them.
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What about love? Love AND Fear makes for the best relationship IMO.
frank :cry:
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Love allows for manipulation.
Fear is ignored/overlooked by stupidity.
Respect is best.
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None of our players loved or respected Frank. Feared & hated was his niche.
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Curt and Jake seemed to :dunno:
Still seem to :dunno:
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Curt and Jake seemed to :dunno:
Still seem to :dunno:
nope, faking
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Oh man....
Someone should do an expose on the last 5 yrs. Would sell better than that shitty Bill book.
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while reading that, the only thing running through my head was Angel running through the meadow in the Sound of Music. C'mon Angel :facepalm:
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while reading that, the only thing running through my head was Angel running through the meadow in the Sound of Music. C'mon Angel :facepalm:
that would be a rough ridin' awesome movie and I would watch the crap out of it
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None of our players loved or respected Frank. Feared & hated was his niche.
you are one of the worst nazis i've ever encountered. call me old-fashioned, but that still means something to me.
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while reading that, the only thing running through my head was Angel running through the meadow in the Sound of Music. C'mon Angel :facepalm:
that would be a rough ridin' awesome movie and I would watch the crap out of it
Who wouldn't? The best thing about that movie idea is the potential for a sequel. I would imagine that in Angelic Meadows II: Samslam, Angel would continue running through the meadow in Sound of Music, only Daniel Sams would be throwing 90 yard bombs to him. Special effects would be used to morph the footballs thrown by Sams into basketballs in midair, and Angel would dunk the crap out of the balls that Sams keeps chucking to him throughout the movie.