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Title: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Springdogg on May 18, 2012, 10:50:44 AM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7945482/big-12-sec-champions-meet-bowl-game-sources-say

Sounds like the Big 12 and SEC have decided to just have their own championship game every year.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: CNS on May 18, 2012, 10:52:42 AM
Oh man.  This seems very big.  Like, second most important bowl game behind the NC big as far as quality of match up goes. 

This is very good news, imo.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 18, 2012, 10:54:36 AM
It's only a big deal if this bowl game goes ahead and takes the next available team from each conference like the Rose Bowl does. There has never been a season in the BCS era where both the Big 12 and SEC haven't had a champion outside of the top 4.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: pissclams on May 18, 2012, 10:55:09 AM
Oh man.  This seems very big.  Like, second most important bowl game behind the NC big as far as quality of match up goes. 

This is very good news, imo.

how often will one of those two teams, having won their respective conferences, not be playing in the NCG?
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: ChiComCat on May 18, 2012, 10:55:47 AM
Oh man.  This seems very big.  Like, second most important bowl game behind the NC big as far as quality of match up goes. 

This is very good news, imo.

how often will one of those two teams, having won their respective conferences, not be playing in the NCG?

Exactly.  Pretty pointless
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: ben ji on May 18, 2012, 10:57:47 AM
It's only a big deal if this bowl game goes ahead and takes the next available team from each conference like the Rose Bowl does. There has never been a season in the BCS era where both the Big 12 and SEC haven't had a champion outside of the top 4.

2001. Unranked Colorado upset Texas in the Big XII Title game. #7 LSU upset #4 Tennessee in the SEC title game.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Springdogg on May 18, 2012, 10:59:09 AM
Sounds like the Sugar Bowl is interested in hosting it.  Even if it's Big 12 #2 vs. SEC #2, it would still be a pretty good match-up.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 18, 2012, 11:00:00 AM
It's only a big deal if this bowl game goes ahead and takes the next available team from each conference like the Rose Bowl does. There has never been a season in the BCS era where both the Big 12 and SEC haven't had a champion outside of the top 4.

2001. Unranked Colorado upset Texas in the Big XII Title game. #7 LSU upset #4 Tennessee in the SEC title game.

Colorado finished #3 that year.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: ben ji on May 18, 2012, 11:00:39 AM
It's only a big deal if this bowl game goes ahead and takes the next available team from each conference like the Rose Bowl does. There has never been a season in the BCS era where both the Big 12 and SEC haven't had a champion outside of the top 4.

2001. Unranked Colorado upset Texas in the Big XII Title game. #7 LSU upset #4 Tennessee in the SEC title game.

Colorado finished #3 that year.

Good point
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Shacks on May 18, 2012, 11:01:03 AM
Sounds like the Sugar Bowl is interested in hosting it.  Even if it's Big 12 #2 vs. SEC #2, it would still be a pretty good match-up.

So basically the Cotton Bowl
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: "storm"nut on May 18, 2012, 11:01:28 AM
This is no doubt the precursor to the Cotton Bowl being elevated to BCS status and the dropping of the Orange Bowl. Beems will be pissed.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on May 18, 2012, 11:03:17 AM
This is no doubt the precursor to the Cotton Bowl being elevated to BCS status and the dropping of the Orange Bowl. Beems will be pissed.

If this game ends up being the Cotton Bowl, wouldn't the Sugar Bowl be the real loser? They would lose their tie to the SEC champion in that scenario.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: slimz on May 18, 2012, 11:11:52 AM
This is no doubt the precursor to the Cotton Bowl being elevated to BCS status and the dropping of the Orange Bowl. Beems will be pissed.

The BCS will cease once the playoff starts.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: gokatgo on May 18, 2012, 11:12:06 AM
can't imagine the SEC abandoning the Sugar, but, if they're serious about making inroads in Texas  :dunno:
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: "storm"nut on May 18, 2012, 11:16:22 AM
This is no doubt the precursor to the Cotton Bowl being elevated to BCS status and the dropping of the Orange Bowl. Beems will be pissed.

The BCS will cease once the playoff starts.

It will be, what ever they call those 4 bowl games after that happens. Same thing, different name.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 18, 2012, 11:19:17 AM
So we will see which conference has the most male genitals, if it is played in Texas the Big 12 is the best, if it is in Sugar it looks like SEC wins this round.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Shacks on May 18, 2012, 11:27:13 AM
So we will see which conference has the most male genitals, if it is played in Texas the Big 12 is the best, if it is in Sugar it looks like SEC wins this round.

The SEC now has a school in Texas so not necessarily
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2012, 11:28:12 AM
So we will see which conference has the most male genitals, if it is played in Texas the Big 12 is the best, if it is in Sugar it looks like SEC wins this round.

The SEC now has a school in Texas so not necessarily

The Houston area can't really be considered TX
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: ben ji on May 18, 2012, 11:29:22 AM
So we will see which conference has the most male genitals, if it is played in Texas the Big 12 is the best, if it is in Sugar it looks like SEC wins this round.

So if we win we go to jerry world and if we lose we go to NOLA? Seems like a win win for us no matter what happens.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 18, 2012, 11:29:43 AM
So we will see which conference has the most crock, if it is played in Texas the Big 12 is the best, if it is in Sugar it looks like SEC wins this round.

The SEC now has a school in Texas so not necessarily

And the Big 12 has 4.  I crunched the numbers.  4 > 1
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2012, 11:30:16 AM
So we will see which conference has the most crock, if it is played in Texas the Big 12 is the best, if it is in Sugar it looks like SEC wins this round.

The SEC now has a school in Texas so not necessarily

And the Big 12 has 4.  I crunched the numbers.  4 > 1

It's a million times more
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Shacks on May 18, 2012, 11:32:42 AM
So we will see which conference has the most crock, if it is played in Texas the Big 12 is the best, if it is in Sugar it looks like SEC wins this round.

The SEC now has a school in Texas so not necessarily

And the Big 12 has 4.  I crunched the numbers.  4 > 1

Curveball for both conferences and have the game in California
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 18, 2012, 11:34:37 AM
So we will see which conference has the most crock, if it is played in Texas the Big 12 is the best, if it is in Sugar it looks like SEC wins this round.

The SEC now has a school in Texas so not necessarily

And the Big 12 has 4.  I crunched the numbers.  4 > 1

Curveball for both conferences and have the game in California

There isn't a stadium big enough.  Maybe Stonestreet will build one, but until then it has to be in Dallas.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: "storm"nut on May 18, 2012, 11:36:04 AM
So we will see which conference has the most crock, if it is played in Texas the Big 12 is the best, if it is in Sugar it looks like SEC wins this round.

The SEC now has a school in Texas so not necessarily

And the Big 12 has 4.  I crunched the numbers.  4 > 1

Curveball for both conferences and have the game in California

They should build a 100,000 seat stadium directly on the border with Louisiana and Texas. That would be cool
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2012, 11:37:07 AM
I'd put it on the boarder of TX and FL
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Shacks on May 18, 2012, 11:37:39 AM
So we will see which conference has the most crock, if it is played in Texas the Big 12 is the best, if it is in Sugar it looks like SEC wins this round.

The SEC now has a school in Texas so not necessarily

And the Big 12 has 4.  I crunched the numbers.  4 > 1

Curveball for both conferences and have the game in California

They should build a 100,000 seat stadium directly on the border with Louisiana and Texas. That would be cool

Upgrade Arrowhead to 100K capacity and play it there.  KC is an equal Big 12 SEC border.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: POWL on May 18, 2012, 11:37:59 AM
Nebraska is on a suicide watch........
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 18, 2012, 11:41:12 AM
I bet this is part of the deal where Slive agrees to let us pillage FSU and Clemson without interfering.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: WildcatNkilt on May 18, 2012, 11:43:13 AM
I'd put it on the boarder of TX and FL

I imagine a stadium in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico, with a giant bridge from Texas and one from Florida.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Dugout DickStone on May 18, 2012, 11:45:37 AM
I'd put it on the boarder of TX and FL

I imagine a stadium in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico, with a giant bridge from Texas and one from Florida.

and direct  :AA: from MHK
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2012, 11:45:52 AM
I'd put it on the boarder of TX and FL

I imagine a stadium in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico, with a giant bridge from Texas and one from Florida.

pumping texas tea under the astro turf
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: DQ12 on May 18, 2012, 11:50:44 AM
I'd put it on the boarder of TX and FL

I imagine a stadium in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico, with a giant bridge from Texas and one from Florida.

pumping texas tea under the astro turf
Welcome to the Great Texas Crude Bowl
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on May 18, 2012, 12:12:42 PM
I'd put it on the boarder of TX and FL

I imagine a stadium in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico, with a giant bridge from Texas and one from Florida.

pumping texas tea under the astro turf
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Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Ira Hayes on May 18, 2012, 12:38:46 PM
Notre Dame is in a very bad position.  There are now only 8 spots in the big money games instead of the 10 BCS spots.  And they are locked out of the bottom 4 of those spots.

Or they can join one of the 4 power conferences.

Feels good.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: jmlynch1 on May 18, 2012, 01:30:41 PM
Tell me why Notre Dame won't go big 10? Tier 3?
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: slobber on May 18, 2012, 01:32:01 PM
Tell me why Notre Dame won't go big 10? Tier 3?
Catholic vs. research $
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2012, 01:53:20 PM
Tell me why Notre Dame won't go big 10? Tier 3?

that's the thought.  they can have a notre dame network too. 
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: ArchE_Cat on May 18, 2012, 02:10:20 PM
So we will see which conference has the most crock, if it is played in Texas the Big 12 is the best, if it is in Sugar it looks like SEC wins this round.

The SEC now has a school in Texas so not necessarily

And the Big 12 has 4.  I crunched the numbers.  4 > 1

Curveball for both conferences and have the game in California

They should build a 100,000 seat stadium directly on the border with Louisiana and Texas. That would be cool

Upgrade Arrowhead to 100K capacity and play it there.  KC is an equal Big 12 SEC border.

Arrowhead is a giant turd and needs to be demolished
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: MadCat on May 18, 2012, 02:15:46 PM
There's going to be a parade, isn't there?
:driving:  :drink:  :ksu:  :eye: :opcat:  :opcat:  :opcat:  :flush:  :horrorsurprise:  :shakesfist:  :emawkid:  :AA:  :kugoalposts:  :bs:  :tsc:  :kstategrad:
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: ben ji on May 18, 2012, 03:12:12 PM
Lost in the hoopla of the deal is the significance of the deal............and the significance isn't that the ACC has been squeezed out of having a big time post season partnership. The significance is that this bowl will be the very first conference-owned bowl. Every bowl in the country is owned and operated by that specific bowl. The Rose Bowl, for instance, has a partnership with the Pac-12 & Big Ten, but they are a separate entity. They aren't owned by the Pac-12 or Big Ten. And, that goes for all other bowls.

With this move, the Big XII and SEC are attempting to start their own bowl. It's literally the first bowl that is fully separated from the bowl system. So, whereas the Orange Bowl could decide to sign contracts to host other conferences, this yet to be named bowl will be fully internalized w/in the Big XII and SEC. It'll take some time to shop all of the parts of the bowl.........location, tv, etc. (It won't start until 2015.) But, the expectation is the payout will be the largest in bowl history, and that includes the current BCS. Now, the Big XII and SEC have taken the guess work out of bowl season. They've essentially guaranteed a huge payout to their teams in addition to the playoff payout, and they've guaranteed they will never have to face one of the weak, unattractive (for TV) teams from a lesser league.

Major, major power play, and it just put those two conferences on another level from everyone else, including the Big Ten and Pac-12. As if the Big XII wasn't attractive enough for FSU and others, think about having a guaranteed $20M+ payday for your #3 team (obviously divided amongst the conference), on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2012, 03:17:00 PM
Lost in the hoopla of the deal is the significance of the deal............and the significance isn't that the ACC has been squeezed out of having a big time post season partnership. The significance is that this bowl will be the very first conference-owned bowl. Every bowl in the country is owned and operated by that specific bowl. The Rose Bowl, for instance, has a partnership with the Pac-12 & Big Ten, but they are a separate entity. They aren't owned by the Pac-12 or Big Ten. And, that goes for all other bowls.

With this move, the Big XII and SEC are attempting to start their own bowl. It's literally the first bowl that is fully separated from the bowl system. So, whereas the Orange Bowl could decide to sign contracts to host other conferences, this yet to be named bowl will be fully internalized w/in the Big XII and SEC. It'll take some time to shop all of the parts of the bowl.........location, tv, etc. (It won't start until 2015.) But, the expectation is the payout will be the largest in bowl history, and that includes the current BCS. Now, the Big XII and SEC have taken the guess work out of bowl season. They've essentially guaranteed a huge payout to their teams in addition to the playoff payout, and they've guaranteed they will never have to face one of the weak, unattractive (for TV) teams from a lesser league.

Major, major power play, and it just put those two conferences on another level from everyone else, including the Big Ten and Pac-12. As if the Big XII wasn't attractive enough for FSU and others, think about having a guaranteed $20M+ payday for your #3 team (obviously divided amongst the conference), on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."

good post.  also, eff yeah. 
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Pete on May 18, 2012, 03:18:20 PM
This is no doubt the precursor to the Cotton Bowl being elevated to BCS status and the dropping of the Orange Bowl. Beems will be pissed.

This bowl means that there is no more rough ridin' BCS.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: DOD Take 2 on May 18, 2012, 03:20:57 PM
on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."

Isn't it just a 4 team playoff being considered? How would one conference get 2 in?
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2012, 03:22:28 PM
on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."

Isn't it just a 4 team playoff being considered? How would one conference get 2 in?

by having the top two teams.  sec would have this year wouldn't they?
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Pete on May 18, 2012, 03:22:46 PM
Lost in the hoopla of the deal is the significance of the deal............and the significance isn't that the ACC has been squeezed out of having a big time post season partnership. The significance is that this bowl will be the very first conference-owned bowl. Every bowl in the country is owned and operated by that specific bowl. The Rose Bowl, for instance, has a partnership with the Pac-12 & Big Ten, but they are a separate entity. They aren't owned by the Pac-12 or Big Ten. And, that goes for all other bowls.

With this move, the Big XII and SEC are attempting to start their own bowl. It's literally the first bowl that is fully separated from the bowl system. So, whereas the Orange Bowl could decide to sign contracts to host other conferences, this yet to be named bowl will be fully internalized w/in the Big XII and SEC. It'll take some time to shop all of the parts of the bowl.........location, tv, etc. (It won't start until 2015.) But, the expectation is the payout will be the largest in bowl history, and that includes the current BCS. Now, the Big XII and SEC have taken the guess work out of bowl season. They've essentially guaranteed a huge payout to their teams in addition to the playoff payout, and they've guaranteed they will never have to face one of the weak, unattractive (for TV) teams from a lesser league.

Major, major power play, and it just put those two conferences on another level from everyone else, including the Big Ten and Pac-12. As if the Big XII wasn't attractive enough for FSU and others, think about having a guaranteed $20M+ payday for your #3 team (obviously divided amongst the conference), on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."

good post.  also, eff yeah.

This is a HUGE rough ridin' deal.

We are rough ridin' the old system directly into it's anus hole.


The best part is that we (SEC/Big 12) are going to put this rough rider OUT TO BID!  No Bowl cronies siphoning off cash.  All the cash go to us. 

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Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Katpappy on May 18, 2012, 03:22:54 PM
It's only a big deal if this bowl game goes ahead and takes the next available team from each conference like the Rose Bowl does. There has never been a season in the BCS era where both the Big 12 and SEC haven't had a champion outside of the top 4.

2001. Unranked Colorado upset Texas in the Big XII Title game. #7 LSU upset #4 Tennessee in the SEC title game.

Colorado finished #3 that year.

How in the fack is that possible?  Colorado is unranked at end of season, but somehow moves up 23 spots to 3rd by winning CCG & Bowl game.  This is why the BCS rankings are bullshit and should not be used for ranking.   :curse:
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: ben ji on May 18, 2012, 03:23:25 PM
Lost in the hoopla of the deal is the significance of the deal............and the significance isn't that the ACC has been squeezed out of having a big time post season partnership. The significance is that this bowl will be the very first conference-owned bowl. Every bowl in the country is owned and operated by that specific bowl. The Rose Bowl, for instance, has a partnership with the Pac-12 & Big Ten, but they are a separate entity. They aren't owned by the Pac-12 or Big Ten. And, that goes for all other bowls.

With this move, the Big XII and SEC are attempting to start their own bowl. It's literally the first bowl that is fully separated from the bowl system. So, whereas the Orange Bowl could decide to sign contracts to host other conferences, this yet to be named bowl will be fully internalized w/in the Big XII and SEC. It'll take some time to shop all of the parts of the bowl.........location, tv, etc. (It won't start until 2015.) But, the expectation is the payout will be the largest in bowl history, and that includes the current BCS. Now, the Big XII and SEC have taken the guess work out of bowl season. They've essentially guaranteed a huge payout to their teams in addition to the playoff payout, and they've guaranteed they will never have to face one of the weak, unattractive (for TV) teams from a lesser league.

Major, major power play, and it just put those two conferences on another level from everyone else, including the Big Ten and Pac-12. As if the Big XII wasn't attractive enough for FSU and others, think about having a guaranteed $20M+ payday for your #3 team (obviously divided amongst the conference), on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."

good post.  also, eff yeah.

Stole it from WVU board who stole it from warchant

on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."

Isn't it just a 4 team playoff being considered? How would one conference get 2 in?

Start here http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=3457.0
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: DOD Take 2 on May 18, 2012, 03:24:03 PM
on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."

Isn't it just a 4 team playoff being considered? How would one conference get 2 in?

by having the top two teams.  sec would have this year wouldn't they?

So that means we wouldn't vote for Conference Champions only being allowed in, allowing ND to keep their position outside of a football conference
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2012, 03:25:30 PM
on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."

Isn't it just a 4 team playoff being considered? How would one conference get 2 in?

by having the top two teams.  sec would have this year wouldn't they?

So that means we wouldn't vote for Conference Champions only being allowed in, allowing ND to keep their position outside of a football conference

they aren't going to exclude any teams. 
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: jmlynch1 on May 18, 2012, 03:29:55 PM
Lost in the hoopla of the deal is the significance of the deal............and the significance isn't that the ACC has been squeezed out of having a big time post season partnership. The significance is that this bowl will be the very first conference-owned bowl. Every bowl in the country is owned and operated by that specific bowl. The Rose Bowl, for instance, has a partnership with the Pac-12 & Big Ten, but they are a separate entity. They aren't owned by the Pac-12 or Big Ten. And, that goes for all other bowls.

With this move, the Big XII and SEC are attempting to start their own bowl. It's literally the first bowl that is fully separated from the bowl system. So, whereas the Orange Bowl could decide to sign contracts to host other conferences, this yet to be named bowl will be fully internalized w/in the Big XII and SEC. It'll take some time to shop all of the parts of the bowl.........location, tv, etc. (It won't start until 2015.) But, the expectation is the payout will be the largest in bowl history, and that includes the current BCS. Now, the Big XII and SEC have taken the guess work out of bowl season. They've essentially guaranteed a huge payout to their teams in addition to the playoff payout, and they've guaranteed they will never have to face one of the weak, unattractive (for TV) teams from a lesser league.

Major, major power play, and it just put those two conferences on another level from everyone else, including the Big Ten and Pac-12. As if the Big XII wasn't attractive enough for FSU and others, think about having a guaranteed $20M+ payday for your #3 team (obviously divided amongst the conference), on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."
Yeah, this is the panty dropper.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Pete on May 18, 2012, 03:30:50 PM
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Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: ChiComCat on May 18, 2012, 03:36:40 PM
It's only a big deal if this bowl game goes ahead and takes the next available team from each conference like the Rose Bowl does. There has never been a season in the BCS era where both the Big 12 and SEC haven't had a champion outside of the top 4.

2001. Unranked Colorado upset Texas in the Big XII Title game. #7 LSU upset #4 Tennessee in the SEC title game.

Colorado finished #3 that year.

How in the fack is that possible?  Colorado is unranked at end of season, but somehow moves up 23 spots to 3rd by winning CCG & Bowl game.  This is why the BCS rankings are bullshit and should not be used for ranking.   :curse:

CU was not unranked.  They were #9, moved to #3 after beating Texas, who was #3.  Also, CU lost the bowl game.  Who is just making this crap up?
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Katpappy on May 18, 2012, 03:37:49 PM
on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."

Isn't it just a 4 team playoff being considered? How would one conference get 2 in?

by having the top two teams.  sec would have this year wouldn't they?

So that means we wouldn't vote for Conference Champions only being allowed in, allowing ND to keep their position outside of a football conference

they aren't going to exclude any teams.
I don't think everyone gets the fact that the Conference Champion also has to be ranked 6th or higher; so if like this year where we didn't have 4 Conference Champions ranked in the top 6, then yes SEC has no. 1 and no. 2 get in.  Does this make sense?  :thumbs:
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: ChiComCat on May 18, 2012, 03:39:46 PM
on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."

Isn't it just a 4 team playoff being considered? How would one conference get 2 in?

by having the top two teams.  sec would have this year wouldn't they?

So that means we wouldn't vote for Conference Champions only being allowed in, allowing ND to keep their position outside of a football conference

they aren't going to exclude any teams.
I don't think everyone gets the fact that the Conference Champion also has to be ranked 6th or higher; so if like this year where we didn't have 4 Conference Champions ranked in the top 6, then yes SEC has no. 1 and no. 2 get in.  Does this make sense?  :thumbs:

This year would've been LSU, Bama, Okie St, Stanford no?  Unless Oregon finished at 6, then they take Stanford's spot
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Katpappy on May 18, 2012, 03:40:28 PM
It's only a big deal if this bowl game goes ahead and takes the next available team from each conference like the Rose Bowl does. There has never been a season in the BCS era where both the Big 12 and SEC haven't had a champion outside of the top 4.

2001. Unranked Colorado upset Texas in the Big XII Title game. #7 LSU upset #4 Tennessee in the SEC title game.

Colorado finished #3 that year.

How in the fack is that possible?  Colorado is unranked at end of season, but somehow moves up 23 spots to 3rd by winning CCG & Bowl game.  This is why the BCS rankings are bullshit and should not be used for ranking.   :curse:

CU was not unranked.  They were #9, moved to #3 after beating Texas, who was #3.  Also, CU lost the bowl game.  Who is just making this crap up?

Thx. ChiCat.   :cheers:
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: DOD Take 2 on May 18, 2012, 03:42:22 PM
on top of having 2 in the playoffs making even more."

Isn't it just a 4 team playoff being considered? How would one conference get 2 in?

by having the top two teams.  sec would have this year wouldn't they?

So that means we wouldn't vote for Conference Champions only being allowed in, allowing ND to keep their position outside of a football conference

they aren't going to exclude any teams.
I don't think everyone gets the fact that the Conference Champion also has to be ranked 6th or higher; so if like this year where we didn't have 4 Conference Champions ranked in the top 6, then yes SEC has no. 1 and no. 2 get in.  Does this make sense?  :thumbs:

This year would've been LSU, Bama, Okie St, Stanford no?  Unless Oregon finished at 6, then they take Stanford's spot

Oregon finished 5th.

Thanks Katdaddy. Makes sense now. I'll listen off air from now on.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: CNS on May 18, 2012, 03:47:22 PM
I thought there has been talk that the 4 teams would be the champs for each of the 4 major conferences?  Could have sworn I heard this on the radio the other day.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: ChiComCat on May 18, 2012, 03:49:28 PM
I thought there has been talk that the 4 teams would be the champs for each of the 4 major conferences?  Could have sworn I heard this on the radio the other day.

Couldn't be true.  They aren't going to blatantly chop out ACC/Big East/ND.  They have to give them a chance, even though they will rarely if ever make it
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: CNS on May 18, 2012, 03:53:00 PM
I thought there has been talk that the 4 teams would be the champs for each of the 4 major conferences?  Could have sworn I heard this on the radio the other day.

Couldn't be true.  They aren't going to blatantly chop out ACC/Big East/ND.  They have to give them a chance, even though they will rarely if ever make it

I am prob Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but I thought that is what the Plus one thing was, to add a game that would have teams chosen by rank outside of the top four.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: ChiComCat on May 18, 2012, 04:05:11 PM
I thought there has been talk that the 4 teams would be the champs for each of the 4 major conferences?  Could have sworn I heard this on the radio the other day.

Couldn't be true.  They aren't going to blatantly chop out ACC/Big East/ND.  They have to give them a chance, even though they will rarely if ever make it

I am prob Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but I thought that is what the Plus one thing was, to add a game that would have teams chosen by rank outside of the top four.
Plus one means 4 team playoff.  Top 4 play eachother, with the "plus one" being the additional championship game after
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Ira Hayes on May 18, 2012, 04:05:21 PM
Look, the gist of this is that everyone outside the 4 power conferences is screwed. 

Due to the fact that we spread great K-Staters like Deloss Dodds, Shaehon Zenger, Kirby Hocutt, Bob Huggins and half of the OU football staff around the league, Kansas State held the heart of the conference together.  We then took on a president and AD from the SEC to tighten that relationship. 

Problem solved. 
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: ChiComCat on May 18, 2012, 04:14:13 PM
IMO, it'll be the Big 12/Pac 12/Big Ten/Sec half the years and the other half there will be a spot open for every other conference to compete for against the #2 SEC/Big 12 teams
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: steve dave on May 18, 2012, 04:42:41 PM
IMO, it'll be the Big 12/Pac 12/Big Ten/Sec half the years and the other half there will be a spot open for every other conference to compete for against the #2 SEC/Big 12 teams

yeah, everyone will have a go at.  was boise ever top 4 in their run prior to bowl games?  they would have gotten in if so. 
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: Legit Elite on May 18, 2012, 05:35:14 PM
'98 Cats would have been in (Alamo Bowl is on BTN right now PUKE)
'10 Horned Frogs would have been in.

Will Notre Dame be forced into the Big 12?

Playoff Mania begins!!!
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on May 18, 2012, 08:27:44 PM
I like this.
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: DOD Take 2 on May 19, 2012, 12:25:17 PM
So does this mean that the Cotton Bowl now just takes the two teams after this new bowl?
Title: Re: New/Old Bowl Game for the Big 12
Post by: naturalselection on May 19, 2012, 01:24:10 PM
So does this mean that the Cotton Bowl now just takes the two teams after this new bowl?

I'm guessing this will eventually just blow up the "bowls" all the way down the line (or most of the way at least).  Once the #'s on this come out, the conferences will see how much $ they've been pissing down the hole of bowl cronyism for decades.  The conferences will probably cross polinate themselves (big 10 #3 v SEC #3, Big 12 #3 v Pac 12 #3, etc).  It will be another way for the 4 power conferences to further consolidate their power (t.v. revenue) and make it harder for the non-power conferences to get teams into the mega money playoff system.  Who gives a crap about calling it the Cotton Bowl(or Orange, Sugar, whatever) if the conferences can pull an extra 50%-100% revenue out of playing the game?  The bowls won't go away regardless of how big the playoffs get (and I really doubt it will ever go higher then 8).  T.V. is too hooked on that programing, and the country will continue to watch it. 

Just awesome that we got in on the ground floor of it and partnered up with the BEST conference for football and the premier non-playoff game.