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http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/KU_Proposes_Tougher_Admissions_Standards_151867905.html (http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/KU_Proposes_Tougher_Admissions_Standards_151867905.html)
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Did you read the last line?
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You can't kill something if its already dead
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Students who don't meet the automatic qualifications could still be admitted by a review committee that would consider several other factors.
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Did you read the last line?
Students who don't meet the automatic qualifications could still be admitted by a review committee that would consider several other factors.
This one,
Love to see the NCAA rule that Dumb Jock is an okay reason to let a student into a school while others non-jock students can't with same grades. This will also hurt there BBall program as well. Bernadette Gray-Little does not like sports and would love to see Memorial torn down from a new library or something.
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Did you read the last line?
Students who don't meet the automatic qualifications could still be admitted by a review committee that would consider several other factors.
This one,
Love to see the NCAA rule that Dumb Jock is an okay reason to let a student into a school while others non-jock students can't with same grades. This will also hurt there BBall program as well. Bernadette Gray-Little does not like sports and would love to see Memorial torn down from a new library or something.
The NCAA allows schools across the nation to enroll athletes at lower standards than other students. As long as the athletes meet the standards set by the NCAA, KU can admit them.
I just think it's odd that a school that's worried about declining enrollment numbers is looking to decline those numbers further.
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They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast
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They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast
Yeah this is very transparent
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Welp, good luck snob hill. :lol:
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Wonder what Beems thinks?
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Also, good for the AAU for finally getting their crap together and setting some standards. Now maybe Kansas State will want to finally apply for it.
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They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast
Would simply raising their undergrad admission standards do anything for them, though? I was under the impression that the AAU was mostly interested in graduate research dollars.
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They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast
Would simply raising their undergrad admission standards do anything for them, though? I was under the impression that the AAU was mostly interested in graduate research dollars.
maybe lowering their standards would draw more research money?
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They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast
Would simply raising their undergrad admission standards do anything for them, though? I was under the impression that the AAU was mostly interested in graduate research dollars.
maybe lowering their standards would draw more research money?
It would draw more tuition money, which would enable them to hire a better staff. :dunno:
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They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast
Would simply raising their undergrad admission standards do anything for them, though? I was under the impression that the AAU was mostly interested in graduate research dollars.
maybe lowering their standards would draw more research money?
It would draw more tuition money, which would enable them to hire a better staff. :dunno:
you clearly have a very strong grasp on how this stuff works nuts kicked. bravo to you.
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They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast
Would simply raising their undergrad admission standards do anything for them, though? I was under the impression that the AAU was mostly interested in graduate research dollars.
maybe lowering their standards would draw more research money?
It would draw more tuition money, which would enable them to hire a better staff. :dunno:
you clearly have a very strong grasp on how this stuff works nuts kicked. bravo to you.
I clearly don't. I think that they will still get kicked out of the AAU no matter what they do, though.
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Wonder what Beems thinks?
I bet we find out soon, can't wait for the spin.
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On a related....an article in yesterday's star said NCAA could not object to umkc changing an athletes grade from fail to pass so he could remain eligible...I can't imagine we will see another academically inelgigible player at the high major level...at least not anyone of import
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http://www.kansas.com/2012/05/17/2338019/ku-proposes-tougher-admissions.html (http://www.kansas.com/2012/05/17/2338019/ku-proposes-tougher-admissions.html)
She said 65 percent of the current students at Kansas would have been accepted under the new automatic admissions process.
So do they expect enrollment to drop by 35%?
Oh, and also
The board is scheduled to vote on the new standards in June. If approved, they wouldn't take effect until 2016.
Would 2016 be soon enough to save their AAU status?
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Did you read the last line?
Students who don't meet the automatic qualifications could still be admitted by a review committee that would consider several other factors.
This one,
Love to see the NCAA rule that Dumb Jock is an okay reason to let a student into a school while others non-jock students can't with same grades. This will also hurt there BBall program as well. Bernadette Gray-Little does not like sports and would love to see Memorial torn down from a new library or something.
The NCAA allows schools across the nation to enroll athletes at lower standards than other students. As long as the athletes meet the standards set by the NCAA, KU can admit them.
I just think it's odd that a school that's worried about declining enrollment numbers is looking to decline those numbers further.
Are they concerned? This is just a way for them to legitimize the reason they have smaller enrollment numbers; "We may have less students, but they're higher quality." KU can't win the enrollment battle, so why try--we'll raise standards and if we don't get our students, then we didn't want them anyway. They chose to give up.
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KU ppl spin everything. If they lose out on enrollments, "it was planned".
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Did you read the last line?
Students who don't meet the automatic qualifications could still be admitted by a review committee that would consider several other factors.
This one,
Love to see the NCAA rule that Dumb Jock is an okay reason to let a student into a school while others non-jock students can't with same grades. This will also hurt there BBall program as well. Bernadette Gray-Little does not like sports and would love to see Memorial torn down from a new library or something.
The NCAA allows schools across the nation to enroll athletes at lower standards than other students. As long as the athletes meet the standards set by the NCAA, KU can admit them.
I just think it's odd that a school that's worried about declining enrollment numbers is looking to decline those numbers further.
Are they concerned? This is just a way for them to legitimize the reason they have smaller enrollment numbers; "We may have less students, but they're higher quality." KU can't win the enrollment battle, so why try--we'll raise standards and if we don't get our students, then we didn't want them anyway. They chose to give up.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/sep/27/ku-officials-say-theyre-concerned-about-declining-/ (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/sep/27/ku-officials-say-theyre-concerned-about-declining-/)
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Looking at KSU's ACT scores for 2011, 75% of incoming Freshman scored a 22 or above, so I suspect if the numbers went to 24 than about the same % as ku, 65% would automatically be admitted. The old sliding GPA/ACT score chart is a favorite of many public universities, so at the end of the day, it won't impact enrollment all that much, essentially weeding out the bottom 8-10%. If K-State had not admitted the bottom 8% that scored 19 or less, than that pushes K-State's average ACT into the 26 range, and overall academic wonk perception of K-State goes up.
The Animal is eyeing the same thing.
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Looking at KSU's ACT scores for 2011, 75% of incoming Freshman scored a 22 or above, so I suspect if the numbers went to 24 than about the same % as ku, 65% would automatically be admitted. The old sliding GPA/ACT score chart is a favorite of many public universities, so at the end of the day, it won't impact enrollment all that much, essentially weeding out the bottom 8-10%. If K-State had not admitted the bottom 8% that scored 19 or less, than that pushes K-State's average ACT into the 26 range, and overall academic wonk perception of K-State goes up.
The Animal is eyeing the same thing.
As I remember to get accepted you needed 2 out of 3. 22 or higher on the ACT, higher than a 2.5 GPA, and something about finishing in the top percent of your class. Does that sound right?
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Looking at KSU's ACT scores for 2011, 75% of incoming Freshman scored a 22 or above, so I suspect if the numbers went to 24 than about the same % as ku, 65% would automatically be admitted. The old sliding GPA/ACT score chart is a favorite of many public universities, so at the end of the day, it won't impact enrollment all that much, essentially weeding out the bottom 8-10%. If K-State had not admitted the bottom 8% that scored 19 or less, than that pushes K-State's average ACT into the 26 range, and overall academic wonk perception of K-State goes up.
The Animal is eyeing the same thing.
As I remember to get accepted you needed 2 out of 3. 22 or higher on the ACT, higher than a 2.5 GPA, and something about finishing in the top percent of your class. Does that sound right?
Yeah, that sounds about right.
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Did you read the last line?
Students who don't meet the automatic qualifications could still be admitted by a review committee that would consider several other factors.
This one,
Love to see the NCAA rule that Dumb Jock is an okay reason to let a student into a school while others non-jock students can't with same grades. This will also hurt there BBall program as well. Bernadette Gray-Little does not like sports and would love to see Memorial torn down from a new library or something.
The NCAA allows schools across the nation to enroll athletes at lower standards than other students. As long as the athletes meet the standards set by the NCAA, KU can admit them.
I just think it's odd that a school that's worried about declining enrollment numbers is looking to decline those numbers further.
Are they concerned? This is just a way for them to legitimize the reason they have smaller enrollment numbers; "We may have less students, but they're higher quality." KU can't win the enrollment battle, so why try--we'll raise standards and if we don't get our students, then we didn't want them anyway. They chose to give up.
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/sep/27/ku-officials-say-theyre-concerned-about-declining-/ (http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/sep/27/ku-officials-say-theyre-concerned-about-declining-/)
You try being a university administrator getting your ass kicked by 'little brother,' and see what you'd tell your hometown newspaper. KU can't win, because they can't change the culture. They hired two K-State admissions alums to try and change the culture, and it just won't happen. This is a way to spin it--and allows them to perpetuate their "flagship institution" crap.
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Looking at KSU's ACT scores for 2011, 75% of incoming Freshman scored a 22 or above, so I suspect if the numbers went to 24 than about the same % as ku, 65% would automatically be admitted. The old sliding GPA/ACT score chart is a favorite of many public universities, so at the end of the day, it won't impact enrollment all that much, essentially weeding out the bottom 8-10%. If K-State had not admitted the bottom 8% that scored 19 or less, than that pushes K-State's average ACT into the 26 range, and overall academic wonk perception of K-State goes up.
The Animal is eyeing the same thing.
http://www.k-state.edu/chats/fall-2011-student-chat-president-schulz/
Andrew Wagner asks: Recently the Board of Regents made changes to the enrollment requirements for Kansas schools. Does K-State plan increase our own requirements above and beyond the set standards to reach the goal of the 2025 visionary plan?
KIRK SCHULZ Presently, we have no intention of changing the admission requirements at Kansas State University. I believe we want K-State to "be easy to get into - but hard to get out of" - so that we give students a chance who want to come and work hard and have great opportunity.
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Looking at KSU's ACT scores for 2011, 75% of incoming Freshman scored a 22 or above, so I suspect if the numbers went to 24 than about the same % as ku, 65% would automatically be admitted. The old sliding GPA/ACT score chart is a favorite of many public universities, so at the end of the day, it won't impact enrollment all that much, essentially weeding out the bottom 8-10%. If K-State had not admitted the bottom 8% that scored 19 or less, than that pushes K-State's average ACT into the 26 range, and overall academic wonk perception of K-State goes up.
The Animal is eyeing the same thing.
http://www.k-state.edu/chats/fall-2011-student-chat-president-schulz/
Andrew Wagner asks: Recently the Board of Regents made changes to the enrollment requirements for Kansas schools. Does K-State plan increase our own requirements above and beyond the set standards to reach the goal of the 2025 visionary plan?
KIRK SCHULZ Presently, ]. I believe we want K-State to "be easy to get into - but hard to get out of" - so that we give students a chance who want to come and work hard and have great opportunity.
my dad says the same thing about farming............. :bang:
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Looking at KSU's ACT scores for 2011, 75% of incoming Freshman scored a 22 or above, so I suspect if the numbers went to 24 than about the same % as ku, 65% would automatically be admitted. The old sliding GPA/ACT score chart is a favorite of many public universities, so at the end of the day, it won't impact enrollment all that much, essentially weeding out the bottom 8-10%. If K-State had not admitted the bottom 8% that scored 19 or less, than that pushes K-State's average ACT into the 26 range, and overall academic wonk perception of K-State goes up.
The Animal is eyeing the same thing.
http://www.k-state.edu/chats/fall-2011-student-chat-president-schulz/
Andrew Wagner asks: Recently the Board of Regents made changes to the enrollment requirements for Kansas schools. Does K-State plan increase our own requirements above and beyond the set standards to reach the goal of the 2025 visionary plan?
KIRK SCHULZ Presently, ]. I believe we want K-State to "be easy to get into - but hard to get out of" - so that we give students a chance who want to come and work hard and have great opportunity.
my dad says the same thing about farming............. :bang:
Really? Farming seems like it would be pretty hard to get into to me.
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It appears the Animal has been Bosco'd.
Looking at the numbers, K-State's 27-36 ACT score enrollment numbers are increasing (now accounting for 1/3 of incoming Freshman). If The Animal wants to get to his 2025 vision than than the 19 or less ACT range is going to have get whacked significantly . . . but that's only about 200 enrollee's, then the 19-21 gets a hair cut, and the 22-24 gets a little trim. Once you go through the special cases and sob stories, using historical numbers, you whack maybe 10%, but you increase perception.
Just sayin
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KIRK SCHULZ Presently, we have no intention of changing the admission requirements at Kansas State University. I believe we want K-State to "be easy to get into - but hard to get out of" - so that we give students a chance who want to come and work hard and have great opportunity.
Cool. I want k-state to be defined that way also.
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Looking at KSU's ACT scores for 2011, 75% of incoming Freshman scored a 22 or above, so I suspect if the numbers went to 24 than about the same % as ku, 65% would automatically be admitted. The old sliding GPA/ACT score chart is a favorite of many public universities, so at the end of the day, it won't impact enrollment all that much, essentially weeding out the bottom 8-10%. If K-State had not admitted the bottom 8% that scored 19 or less, than that pushes K-State's average ACT into the 26 range, and overall academic wonk perception of K-State goes up.
The Animal is eyeing the same thing.
http://www.k-state.edu/chats/fall-2011-student-chat-president-schulz/
Andrew Wagner asks: Recently the Board of Regents made changes to the enrollment requirements for Kansas schools. Does K-State plan increase our own requirements above and beyond the set standards to reach the goal of the 2025 visionary plan?
KIRK SCHULZ Presently, ]. I believe we want K-State to "be easy to get into - but hard to get out of" - so that we give students a chance who want to come and work hard and have great opportunity.
my dad says the same thing about farming............. :bang:
Really? Farming seems like it would be pretty hard to get into to me.
he's 64 and has been trying to down size for 4 or 5 years.......with no luck, really...............as far as getting into........looking in the rear view mirror, it prolly seemed easier than it really was to sign those initial notes .. :gocho:
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you know what's hard to get into? farming
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Does ku do anything but hire KSU people?
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Does ku do anything but hire KSU people?
smell up the place
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Does ku do anything but hire KSU people?
Yeah, KU and Texas come to KSU for leadership role players.
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Great news.
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Great news.
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You're for a decrease in enrollment and revenue? Weird.
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Great news.
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You're for a decrease in enrollment and revenue? Weird.
How many fallacies of logical reasoning does it take to reach that conclusion?
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The University of Texas has higher admission requirements than just about every other school in the state, and they have one of the highest enrollments in the country, along with an incredible athletic program. As for revenue, Northwestern's endowment is over $7.2 billion.
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The University of Texas has higher admission requirements than just about every other school in the state, and they have one of the highest enrollments in the country, along with an incredible athletic program. As for revenue, Northwestern's endowment is over $7.2 billion.
They also have a lot more students that want to attend there. This does not hold suit for KU. Kstate had a larger enrollment than you guys this year, and it's not looking much better for you guys next year.
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LOL at the thought of you comparing KU to Texas/Northwestern in the first place.
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This is an act. Right now with the new BOR admission standards, I believe up to %10 of an incoming class can be admitted without meeting any standards. Nothing will change at KU, this just paints it as a semi competitive school which is much needed as they cling to their AAU status. You would probably have to be a world class eff up to graduate from a Kansas high school and not get in.
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The University of Texas has higher admission requirements than just about every other school in the state, and they have one of the highest enrollments in the country, along with an incredible athletic program. As for revenue, Northwestern's endowment is over $7.2 billion.
They also have a lot more students that want to attend there. This does not hold suit for KU. Kstate had a larger enrollment than you guys this year, and it's not looking much better for you guys next year.
Not true. Just wrong on so many levels. KU's enrollment is still well over 28,000 after reaching a peak of 30,000+ in 2008.
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LOL at the thought of you comparing KU to Texas/Northwestern in the first place.
You just don't get it, butthurt boy.
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They are projecting record on campus enrollment at K-State. Its not going to hurt them one bit to raise the standards a little. Like I said, when the smoke clears its going to weed out a relatively small group of applicants.
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I work in enrollment. I understand how this works, Ben. Your enrollment is decreasing: http://www.news.ku.edu/2011/september/27/enroll.shtml. I was wrong on total number of students with the Kstate VS KU comparo, but Kstate still had a record high fall.
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Enrollment decreased after reaching a peak of 30,000+ in 2008. It's still much higher than K-State's. Like 'Pad pointed out, raising admissions standards won't hurt enrollment. It could even attract more in-state and out of state students, and it should improve the university's academic standing. Johnson County Community College's enrollment is increasing as well, fanning. Big deal.
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If enrollment increasing or decreasting wasn't a big deal, than ku officials wouldn't be falling all over themselves in the last year or so trying to explain why ku's enrollment is falling.
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If enrollment increasing or decreasting wasn't a big deal, than ku officials wouldn't be falling all over themselves in the last year or so trying to explain why ku's enrollment is falling.
It's not rocket science. Negative publicity from the ticket scandal and constant bashing from the KC Star. Plus, there are more K-State alums these days thanks to the huge boost in enrollment that occurred after Snyder revived the football program. Those alums' kids are graduating high school and going to K-State.
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If enrollment increasing or decreasting wasn't a big deal, than ku officials wouldn't be falling all over themselves in the last year or so trying to explain why ku's enrollment is falling.
It's not rocket science. Negative publicity from the ticket scandal and constant bashing from the KC Star. Plus, there are more K-State alums these days thanks to the huge boost in enrollment that occurred after Snyder revived the football program. Those alums' kids are graduating high school and going to K-State.
Who said anyting about why its happening. You attempted to say that its not a big deal . . . when it is.
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KU's wikipedia says they have almost 11,000 "admin. staff"
not sure what admin staff is but damn thats a big number
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KU's wikipedia says they have almost 11,000 "admin. staff"
not sure what admin staff is but damn thats a big number
They've announced layoffs, buyouts/early retirements.
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If enrollment increasing or decreasting wasn't a big deal, than ku officials wouldn't be falling all over themselves in the last year or so trying to explain why ku's enrollment is falling.
It's not rocket science. Negative publicity from the ticket scandal and constant bashing from the KC Star. Plus, there are more K-State alums these days thanks to the huge boost in enrollment that occurred after Snyder revived the football program. Those alums' kids are graduating high school and going to K-State.
Who said anyting about why its happening. You attempted to say that its not a big deal . . . when it is.
Not really, at least in my opinion. 700 less students after experiencing peak enrollment is no reason to panic. KU is still the biggest and best school in the state by far.
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We're too busy researching stuff like Quantum Dynamics and Self Defending Data networks to worry about glossy brochures and shrinking enrollment.
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Any idea when K-State plans to attain AAU status, 'Pad?
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Any idea when K-State plans to attain AAU status, 'Pad?
Probably never Beems, a huge amount of research K-State does is considered non-competitive, and the AAU has a big hard on apparently for schools that have the subject matter experts in place that entities within the government just consider the "go to" people.
Nice deflection though. We all know ku is clinging for dear life to its AAU status, maybe a little bit more want to, and little less glossy brochure.
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Enrollment comparisons between KU and KSU aren't quite apples to apples. KU apparently includes the Kansas City commuter school in its base on-campus numbers, so it's literally impossible for the public to tell how many attend @ the Lawrence campus. KSU might include the Salina flight campus in its base numbers, but I'm not sure. (And anyway, it's not the same as mixing in part-time night-school attendees...)
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Looking at KSU's ACT scores for 2011, 75% of incoming Freshman scored a 22 or above, so I suspect if the numbers went to 24 than about the same % as ku, 65% would automatically be admitted. The old sliding GPA/ACT score chart is a favorite of many public universities, so at the end of the day, it won't impact enrollment all that much, essentially weeding out the bottom 8-10%. If K-State had not admitted the bottom 8% that scored 19 or less, than that pushes K-State's average ACT into the 26 range, and overall academic wonk perception of K-State goes up.
The Animal is eyeing the same thing.
As I remember to get accepted you needed 2 out of 3. 22 or higher on the ACT, higher than a 2.5 GPA, and something about finishing in the top percent of your class. Does that sound right?
When i went in 3 years ago it was 21 ACT, 2.0 or top 10% of your class. Now it's down to only one of those 3 instead of 2 of. Had a nephew get in without taking the ACT at all. Don't know if that was just a "getting lost in the shuffle" thing, or if you really don't have to take one at all.
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The University of Texas has higher admission requirements than just about every other school in the state, and they have one of the highest enrollments in the country, along with an incredible athletic program. As for revenue, Northwestern's endowment is over $7.2 billion.
Texas has high standards because they have more applicants than classroom space. You can't say the same for any school in Kansas. Raising the admission standards will cause KU's numbers to look much better to US News, and that might attract some students who actually care about that, but they will have to implement their changes before the new numbers come out. There is no way they will be able to implement changes that would have eliminated 35% of their current students from qualifying and not have a huge enrollment decline in the short term.
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This is just an attempt to weed out the ones who most likely will fail and not finish school. K-State will take their money and flunk them regardless. :thumbsup:
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This is just an attempt to weed out the ones who most likely will fail and not finish school. K-State will take their money and flunk them regardless. :thumbsup:
very true. stiffening requirements doesn't make you a better school, just means you have less money..
<insert beems outdated response about endowments here.>
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Kansas is a competitive market for students--and the point to emphasize here is that the first year student number at K-State has been trending in a direction/holding steady and KU, at best has leveled off, at worst, trends downward. I'd love to say that K-State is 'doing better.' But, the fact of the matter is that JCCC has increased enrollment, and Wichita State has done better in Sedgwick county (the hardest place to recruit in the state). Truth be told, K-State is doing marginally better, but KU hasn't been able to keep up with community colleges, or combat the Wichita State offers to keep students in Sedgwick county. There's a reason that KU's scholarship packages changed to mirror K-State's scholarship packages last fall (http://www.news.ku.edu/2011/august/15/scholarships.shtml)...because what K-State does, works. Remember, that the commodity here is not really the 'educational value,' as if students were thinking about that, we'd be discussing career placement. It's the educational value mixed with the actual cost of attendance (KU has the 17th highest net cost of attendance in the Nation for public schools http://collegecost.ed.gov/catc/). To give you a sense--suggesting that admissions standards raise your profile is great...but in real numbers...:
2008 (Orange Bowl and NC for KU): 10,902 first years students apply, 10,003 admitted, and of that number, 4,441 enroll.
2009: 10,653 first year students applied to KU for admission, 9,740 admitted, 3,897 enrolled.
2010: 10,157 first year students applied to KU for admission, 9,397 were admitted, and of that number, 3,671 enrolled.
2011: 10,035 first year students applied to KU for admission, 9,306 admitted, and 3,495 enrolled full time.
K-State, on the other hand..
2008 (Orange Bowl and NC for KU): 9,453 apply, 7,980 admitted, and 3,761 enroll.
2009: 8,413 fy applicants, 8,283 admitted, 3,466 enrolled.
2010: 8,268 fy applicants, 8,147 admitted, 3,465 enrolled.
2011: 8,292 fy applicants, 8,204 admitted, 3,644 enrolled.
We're looking at K-State consolidating and getting more people that are in their pool % wise then KU. If KU is a better value--or a heads on even value...KU probably should be getting more students, and K-State should be getting less? Their pool is less, but seem to be doing pretty well with almost 2,000 less students to draw upon. and..if we take things like National Championships and BCS bowls into consideration, we see that both school saw nearly 300 more people enroll at each institution, and K-State saw nearly 1,000 more people apply that year than normal, far less were admitted, while KU only saw around 300 more apply, and admitted marginally more than normal...so whether or not an athletic event of that status affects enrollment is...suspect.
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Kansas is a competitive market for students--and the point to emphasize here is that the first year student number at K-State has been trending in a direction/holding steady and KU, at best has leveled off, at worst, trends downward. I'd love to say that K-State is 'doing better.' But, the fact of the matter is that JCCC has increased enrollment, and Wichita State has done better in Sedgwick county (the hardest place to recruit in the state). Truth be told, K-State is doing marginally better, but KU hasn't been able to keep up with community colleges, or combat the Wichita State offers to keep students in Sedgwick county. There's a reason that KU's scholarship packages changed to mirror K-State's scholarship packages last fall (http://www.news.ku.edu/2011/august/15/scholarships.shtml)...because what K-State does, works. Remember, that the commodity here is not really the 'educational value,' as if students were thinking about that, we'd be discussing career placement. It's the educational value mixed with the actual cost of attendance (KU has the 17th highest net cost of attendance in the Nation for public schools http://collegecost.ed.gov/catc/). To give you a sense--suggesting that admissions standards raise your profile is great...but in real numbers...in a three year trend as Higher Ed often looks at things...:
2009: 10,653 first year students applied to KU for admission, 9,740 were admitted, and of that number, 3,897 enrolled.
2010: 10,157 first year students applied to KU for admission, 9,397 were admitted, and of that number, 3,671 enrolled.
2011: 10,035 first year students applied to KU for admission, 9,306 admitted, and 3,495 enrolled full time.
K-State, on the other hand..
2009: 8,413 fy applicants, 8,283 admitted, 3,466 enrolled.
2010: 8,268 fy applicants, 8,147 admitted, 3,465 enrolled.
2011: 8,292 fy applicants, 8,204 admitted, 3,644 enrolled.
We're looking at K-State consolidating and getting more people that are in their pool % wise then KU. If KU is a better value--or a heads on even value...KU probably should be getting more students, and K-State should be getting less? Their pool is less, but seem to be doing pretty well with almost 2,000 less students to draw upon.
hey, you know what? I don't care what your user name says. (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pricescope.com%2Fidealbb%2Ffiles%2Fhi501.gif&hash=b16a2745cacee91efcc7d6f20c5ed1842755a7d6)
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If enrollment increasing or decreasting wasn't a big deal, than ku officials wouldn't be falling all over themselves in the last year or so trying to explain why ku's enrollment is falling.
It's not rocket science. Negative publicity from the ticket scandal and constant bashing from the KC Star. Plus, there are more K-State alums these days thanks to the huge boost in enrollment that occurred after Snyder revived the football program. Those alums' kids are graduating high school and going to K-State.
Just wanted to repost this and remind everyone that you blamed lagging enrollments on the Kansas City Star.
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If enrollment increasing or decreasting wasn't a big deal, than ku officials wouldn't be falling all over themselves in the last year or so trying to explain why ku's enrollment is falling.
It's not rocket science. Negative publicity from the ticket scandal and constant bashing from the KC Star. Plus, there are more K-State alums these days thanks to the huge boost in enrollment that occurred after Snyder revived the football program. Those alums' kids are graduating high school and going to K-State.
Just wanted to repost this and remind everyone that you blamed lagging enrollments on the Kansas City Star.
they constantly bash ku man. kids read the paper and are like, nope, i'm going to k-state.
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Beems took that one hook line and sinker. It was a no win for him and he went for it. :emawkid:
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Beems new Delta Tau Chi pledge name is: The Explainer
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It's just Delta Chi, 'Pad.
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It's just Delta Chi, 'Pad.
:facepalm:
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It's just Delta Chi, 'Pad.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqGcxB.jpg&hash=268ff2d59f1f6236944596ebb436ed5787fa1a14)
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Did hear the chairman of BOR commend k-state on working with JCCC...you can get an associates from JCCC if you meet the requirements while working on a bachelor's at k-state. :gocho:
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K-State 2011 enrollment 23,800
KU 2011 enrollment 25,200
1,400 and closing captain!
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How many is that new dorm of ours expected to hold.