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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: HeinBallz on May 10, 2012, 12:14:11 PM
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Obama loses 41 percent of W.Va. primary vote to federal inmate. (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2012/0509/Ouch!-Obama-loses-41-percent-of-W.Va.-primary-vote-to-federal-inmate)
Ftr, I do not read the Christian Science Monitor, but a facebook friend posted this and I thought it was hilarious.
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yeah, nobody expected the racist people of west virginia to do something like this.
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People will do anything when they're all hopped up on Mountain Dew.
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yeah, nobody expected the racist people of west virginia to do something like this.
Take that stuff here. (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=18652.0)
This is about Obama crushing the coal industry for no reason.
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yeah, nobody expected the racist people of west virginia to do something like this.
It's still funnier than crap.
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yeah, nobody expected the racist people of west virginia to do something like this.
Take that stuff here. (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=18652.0)
This is about Obama crushing the coal industry for no reason.
After going on mission trips to WVa, I'd say the coal industry did enough to screw over the citizens of WVa. Karma.
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yeah, nobody expected the racist people of west virginia to do something like this.
Take that stuff here. (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=18652.0)
This is about Obama crushing the coal industry for no reason.
After going on mission trips to WVa, I'd say the coal industry did enough to screw over the citizens of WVa. Karma.
Pretty sure the people of WV want the coal industry to continue screwing them over with jobs and paychecks.
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yeah, nobody expected the racist people of west virginia to do something like this.
Take that stuff here. (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=18652.0)
This is about Obama crushing the coal industry for no reason.
After going on mission trips to WVa, I'd say the coal industry did enough to screw over the citizens of WVa. Karma.
Pretty sure the people of WV want the coal industry to continue screwing them over with jobs and paychecks.
Yes, the coal industry has done so much for West Virginia that they rank 49th in average household income among US states. Suck it, Mississippi!
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yeah, nobody expected the racist people of west virginia to do something like this.
Take that stuff here. (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=18652.0)
This is about Obama crushing the coal industry for no reason.
After going on mission trips to WVa, I'd say the coal industry did enough to screw over the citizens of WVa. Karma.
Pretty sure the people of WV want the coal industry to continue screwing them over with jobs and paychecks.
Yes, the coal industry has done so much for West Virginia that they rank 49th in average household income among US states. Suck it, Mississippi!
Maybe Solyndra or Fisker could open a facility there.
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yeah, nobody expected the racist people of west virginia to do something like this.
Take that stuff here. (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=18652.0)
This is about Obama crushing the coal industry for no reason.
After going on mission trips to WVa, I'd say the coal industry did enough to screw over the citizens of WVa. Karma.
Pretty sure the people of WV want the coal industry to continue screwing them over with jobs and paychecks.
Yes, the coal industry has done so much for West Virginia that they rank 49th in average household income among US states. Suck it, Mississippi!
No wonder 41% of registered democrats in WV prefer a felon to Obama
:lol:
He is such a rough ridin' joke, what a delusional crew of followers
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yeah, nobody expected the racist people of west virginia to do something like this.
Take that stuff here. (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=18652.0)
This is about Obama crushing the coal industry for no reason.
After going on mission trips to WVa, I'd say the coal industry did enough to screw over the citizens of WVa. Karma.
Pretty sure the people of WV want the coal industry to continue screwing them over with jobs and paychecks.
Yes, the coal industry has done so much for West Virginia that they rank 49th in average household income among US states. Suck it, Mississippi!
No wonder 41% of registered democrats in WV prefer a felon to Obama
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He is such a rough ridin' joke, what a delusional crew of followers
It would be pretty funny to see them elect a republican and then lose their food stamps, honestly. It's just too bad that the republicans would never take them away, either.
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yeah, nobody expected the racist people of west virginia to do something like this.
Take that stuff here. (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=18652.0)
This is about Obama crushing the coal industry for no reason.
After going on mission trips to WVa, I'd say the coal industry did enough to screw over the citizens of WVa. Karma.
Pretty sure the people of WV want the coal industry to continue screwing them over with jobs and paychecks.
Yes, the coal industry has done so much for West Virginia that they rank 49th in average household income among US states. Suck it, Mississippi!
No wonder 41% of registered democrats in WV prefer a felon to Obama
:lol:
He is such a rough ridin' joke, what a delusional crew of followers
It would be pretty funny to see them elect a republican and then lose their food stamps, honestly. It's just too bad that the republicans would never take them away, either.
1. Republicans are trying to eliminate food stamps? Must have read that on B.O.'s website.
2. What if they elected a republican and got a job and, ya know, didn't need food stamps?
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pretty sure people on welfare don't want jobs.
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pretty sure people on welfare don't want jobs.
Want kind of person doesn't want a job?
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Lazy people. East coast 2010: a relatively new aircraft company decides to expand in NC to take advantage of a close harbor for shipping fuselage parts to a french made air plane company. The local economy is ravaged with unemployment and poverty. It ranks as one of the lowest income cities in the nation. After nearly one year of this new aircraft company working towards full production rates, being guided by management with nearly 100 years of combined industry experience and some of the highest salary & benefits in the state, attrition rates hover around 30%. Management stands by dumbfounded by the sheer lack of motivation of a "starving" economy. Poor people are poor for a reason.
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There are plenty of people with jobs who still need food stamps.
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There are plenty of people with jobs who still need food stamps.
Then why are the democrats trying to cut them?
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People are starting to see that our welfare program is enabling people to feel worthless about themselves. It's a hand out, not a hand up.
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People are starting to see that our welfare program is enabling people to feel worthless about themselves. It's a hand out, not a hand up.
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I'm sure that's true, but if I were too stupid to work anything but a minimum wage part time job, I'm sure I'd rather feel worthless about myself than feel hungry.
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People are starting to see that our welfare program is enabling people to feel worthless about themselves. It's a hand out, not a hand up.
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This has been the lifeblood of the democrat party since the 70's. I just hope we are able to realize that what's happening in Europe and California is our future unless we make some drastic changes regarding entitlements.
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There are plenty of people with jobs who still need food stamps.
Then why are the democrats trying to cut them?
As far as I know, nobody is trying to cut them. I'm in favor of reducing food stamp benefits for the jobless, but I don't really have a problem with making sure working Americans can feed their kids.
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People are starting to see that our welfare program is enabling people to feel worthless about themselves. It's a hand out, not a hand up.
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I'm sure that's true, but if I were too stupid to work anything but a minimum wage part time job, I'm sure I'd rather feel worthless about myself than feel hungry.
So what you've done is turn people into dependents who will eventually forget how to take care of themselves. Permanent dependents. I also don't buy the living on minimum wage people are stupid - they may act stupid because people treat them like they're stupid. They stay on welfare because they feel it's their best option, not their only option. A government dependency shouldn't be a best option. No one needs to go hungry - what's wrong with soup kitchens? They could at the very least serve as an information center on how to better their life's. Educate people on the fact that with dependency, comes indentured slavery.
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People are starting to see that our welfare program is enabling people to feel worthless about themselves. It's a hand out, not a hand up.
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I'm sure that's true, but if I were too stupid to work anything but a minimum wage part time job, I'm sure I'd rather feel worthless about myself than feel hungry.
So what you've done is turn people into dependents who will eventually forget how to take care of themselves. Permanent dependents. I also don't buy the living on minimum wage people are stupid - they may act stupid because people treat them like they're stupid. They stay on welfare because they feel it's their best option, not their only option. A government dependency shouldn't be a best option. No one needs to go hungry - what's wrong with soup kitchens? They could at the very least serve as an information center on how to better their life's. Educate people on the fact that with dependency, comes indentured slavery.
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They have a job. What is the government doing that makes them dependent? Without the food stamps, nobody could work those low paying jobs, business owners would have to reduce their total number of jobs and increase pay, and they would have a reduced profit margin. This also leads to reduced tax revenue. The idea that food stamps for the employed is a net loser for the government budget is not necessarily true.
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People can't afford to live on minimum wage because of inflation - which in our case, several would argue is a direct result of government spending. Fix this problem first - then reform welfare. Also, I'd like to know how many people on minimum wage are actually just teen-aged kids with no bills. After taking out that # - how many people are actually trying to "live" on minimum wage? What I think this really comes down to; I could, if i needed to, survive on much less than I do now. We often get caught up in keeping up with the jones's & deciding that simple luxuries are necessities and hey... I'm guilty of it too.
A full time job of minimum wage is roughly 15,000 a year. Now I'm not saying I could live on that - but lets look at this a little closer. Lets presume if I'm on minimum wage, I didn't go to college, so I have no student loans. No student loans. Boom - already $250 a month back into slackers budget that I don't have. I could live in value place rental & get free cable / water / gym etc if I wanted to be extravagant, but I'm sure I could find a place for less than the $670 a month it would cost to live there. Lets be realistic and say I rent a place for ~500 a month - which there are places for 425 out there. utilities gas/water/electric - no cable - no internet & no phone for less than $150 a month... reasonable? So - we're at 625 a month and we still need to feed ourselves. Can I feed a family of four on $200 a month? Chicken & rice is pretty damn cheep. throw in some mac & cheese & pb&j sandwiches and hell yeah - $200 is more than enough. Walk to work because you can't afford a car. So there. It's possible. You want to get farther in life? Stay at your crappy minimum wage job and work your way up to manager. Opportunities will present themselves. But it's like this, I'm not going to feel sorry for the person working in a minimum wage job trying to feed their family because if I throw them a bone, I'll be walking all over their pride and likely inhibiting them from looking for their own bones. In Haiti after the hurricane, no one was thinking about how they were going to rebuild because they were too busy fighting over the scraps of food being tossed from red cross trucks.
They have a job. What is the government doing that makes them dependent? Without the food stamps, nobody could work those low paying jobs, business owners would have to reduce their total number of jobs and increase pay, and they would have a reduced profit margin. This also leads to reduced tax revenue. The idea that food stamps for the employed is a net loser for the government budget is not necessarily true.
What, kids don't need work?
Anyway, Are these people settling for low paying jobs because they know they can supplement their income with food stamps? I don't buy it. If they can get a higher paying job without food stamps, they would. If you're saying they won't take a low paying job because they can't afford to live, then they're left with two options. Starve or find some other way to feed yourself. Either of those options do not weigh on my conscious because I'm not forcing them to make those decisions and I'm not financially supporting their choice to die or do something else. If you HAD to, now that I think about it, you probably could live on minimum wage with a little swallowing of pride and a realistic view of $$ management.
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People can't afford to live on minimum wage because of inflation - which in our case, several would argue is a direct result of government spending. Fix this problem first - then reform welfare. Also, I'd like to know how many people on minimum wage are actually just teen-aged kids with no bills. After taking out that # - how many people are actually trying to "live" on minimum wage? What I think this really comes down to; I could, if i needed to, survive on much less than I do now. We often get caught up in keeping up with the jones's & deciding that simple luxuries are necessities and hey... I'm guilty of it too.
A full time job of minimum wage is roughly 15,000 a year. Now I'm not saying I could live on that - but lets look at this a little closer. Lets presume if I'm on minimum wage, I didn't go to college, so I have no student loans. No student loans. Boom - already $250 a month back into slackers budget that I don't have. I could live in value place rental & get free cable / water / gym etc if I wanted to be extravagant, but I'm sure I could find a place for less than the $670 a month it would cost to live there. Lets be realistic and say I rent a place for ~500 a month - which there are places for 425 out there. utilities gas/water/electric - no cable - no internet & no phone for less than $150 a month... reasonable? So - we're at 625 a month and we still need to feed ourselves. Can I feed a family of four on $200 a month? Chicken & rice is pretty damn cheep. throw in some mac & cheese & pb&j sandwiches and hell yeah - $200 is more than enough. Walk to work because you can't afford a car. So there. It's possible. You want to get farther in life? Stay at your crappy minimum wage job and work your way up to manager. Opportunities will present themselves. But it's like this, I'm not going to feel sorry for the person working in a minimum wage job trying to feed their family because if I throw them a bone, I'll be walking all over their pride and likely inhibiting them from looking for their own bones. In Haiti after the hurricane, no one was thinking about how they were going to rebuild because they were too busy fighting over the scraps of food being tossed from red cross trucks.
Is this really a serious response? Walk to work because you can't afford a car? How are you supposed to find a better job when you don't even have a phone number? You really think you can eat a diet including chicken for $50 per month per person? That's less than $2 per day per person for food. What are you supposed to do if you get sick or injured? I'm sure the Haitians would have just had the whole country rebuilt within the 2 week period they had before starving to death if it wasn't for the pesky red cross ruining their ambition with handouts. Do you really think that people with minimum wage jobs decide that they would rather not get promoted, make more money, and move to a safe neighborhood because the government takes care of them?
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Yes, Walk. There's always public transportation if you want to get extravagant. Pay as you go phone? Budget for it. Family of four fed on $200 a month... Hmm... seems tricky doesn't it? Lets not take into account that kids eat free lunch & breakfast at school on your dime already because we still have the summers and we're talking about food stamps - not free food in schools. Today, for example, I ate 1/5th of a monster turkey sandwich I bought from the deli at dillons for $5. That's 1 meal for $1. It's enough for me because I'm not a disgusting blob. Did you eat lunch for a $1 today? No? I did. A sack of potatoes for $4 (Think of all the stuff you can do with potatoes - mashed/fried/baked) Throw in a whole chicken every now & then for another $4. Did you know you can buy a whole chicken for $4? You can. But anway, our goal is $50 a week or $7 a day to feed 4 people.
Sack of potatoes can easily last you a week, even using them every day - let's put a dollar amount on it shall we? What is it, 25 potatoes in a bag? $.16? M'kay. Take your whole chicken - again - if you're not a disgusting blob - that's roughly 8 servings when you suppliment with some potatoes. (my kids don't eat that much - really... a chicken leg is all I can force them to eat) So for each serving we're spending about $.66 Hashbrowns is really all I usually need - if I even eat breakfast but since we're still under budget we'll say I eat a piece of chicken & a baked potato for 3 meals a day. I'm @ $7.92. Being off $5 ain't bad. Not a lot of food, but it's possible. Those were just two examples - and there is cheaper food out there. Ramen noodles anyone?
I'm also not the monster you're making me out to be, I said I favor soup kitchens as long as they also served as an educational center showing people ways to get ahead in life. You know, ways for people that "weren't afforded all the same opportunities" as a guy like me... And by a guy like me, I mean someone that grew up in the ghetto of Wichita (plainview) eating chicken & potatoes and sometimes more because BOTH of my parents worked. Going to school every day until I graduated, took out student loans to get a college degree & later got a job that puts me in an income bracket equal to what my parents combined income was when they were my current age. I don't feel sorry for welfare babies because I grew up in the same neighborhood & went to the same grade school as them. They're still on welfare and I'm a productive member of society. I didn't receive any grants to go to college - I looked for opportunity because my parents taught me to only rely on myself to get ahead.
It's not just the idea that being dependent prevents you from looking for opportunity - it's the idea that when you're not dependent on someone else YOU will succeed because YOU have to. There's no other option.
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So you are proposing that these people who already have jobs sustain themselves on nothing but potatoes and ramen noodles, with the occasional $4 whole chicken thrown in. You are also neglecting taxes. The bottom 20% of Americans typically pay about 16% in state, local, and payroll taxes. This family of 4 also has no healthcare, no car, and no phone.
The cuts necessary to make this lifestyle possible would moderately improve the Federal budget situation, but they would also lead to higher-priced goods and services and fewer jobs.
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Listen. I'll say it again. Soup kitchen/learning center. Don't make my line of thinking sound like a I'm a monster because Suzy loose legs decided to pop out three kids she couldn't feed. Developing a lifestyle of government dependency is just going to continue this tradition of people not taking care of themselves. How about sex education? Why are we still teaching kids abstinence? Teenage pregnancy is a problem because no one will tell the kid they can get free rubbers at planned parenthood. Once some 16 year old girl pops out a few kids she's destined to be on some form of assistance for the next 20-30 years.
Aside from that, people don't stay on minimum wage forever - raises happen and opportunities arise. You're actually insulting people when you suggest they need to be taken care of. Is life hard in this situation? Yes! That's exactly what creates motivation. Not once have I suggested that this needs to be flipped off like a light switch but this is the direction it needs to go.
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So you are proposing that these people who already have jobs sustain themselves on nothing but potatoes and ramen noodles, with the occasional $4 whole chicken thrown in. You are also neglecting taxes. The bottom 20% of Americans typically pay about 16% in state, local, and payroll taxes. This family of 4 also has no healthcare, no car, and no phone.
The cuts necessary to make this lifestyle possible would moderately improve the Federal budget situation, but they would also lead to higher-priced goods and services and fewer jobs.
You forget that the government pays you $1000 per child every April 15th. Nobody goes without healthcare.
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And he's missing my point entirely that a phone and a car is a luxury. You CAN live without them.
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And he's missing my point entirely that a phone and a car is a luxury. You CAN live without them.
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You severely limit your opportunities without them as well.
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You also severely limit your opportunity when you make shitty and immature decisions. Neither one of those things are anybody's else's responsibility. You talk about how much it hurts the economy to let people starve - what about me? How much would the economy be helped if I wasn't overly taxed to ease the burden on people that have no motivation to get ahead in life?
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You also severely limit your opportunity when you make shitty and immature decisions. Neither one of those things are anybody's else's responsibility. You talk about how much it hurts the economy to let people starve - what about me? How much would the economy be helped if I wasn't overly taxed to ease the burden on people that have no motivation to get ahead in life?
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Looking at the federal budget deficit, it's highly doubtful that your tax burden would be eased in any way by cutting entitlement spending. The entitlement spending also keeps wages low, which keeps the prices of goods and services you pay for low. If anything, you are able to accumulate more wealth due to entitlement spending than you otherwise would be able to.
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No. It may appear to keep prices low, but when you've bred an entire section of your society that votes democrat to protect their way of life - big spending follows along with entitlement themed financial investments (think housing crises) that end up causing phrases like too big to fail to be thrown around - which leads to bail outs which leads to inflation. Not to mention more and more give up and join the dependency wagon because its easier. It may seem like I'm stretching here, but dependency from cradle to grave is not sustainable. This problem will continue to grow and grow until it is a problem that cannot be reversed.
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So you are proposing that these people who already have jobs sustain themselves on nothing but potatoes and ramen noodles, with the occasional $4 whole chicken thrown in. You are also neglecting taxes. The bottom 20% of Americans typically pay about 16% in state, local, and payroll taxes. This family of 4 also has no healthcare, no car, and no phone.
The cuts necessary to make this lifestyle possible would moderately improve the Federal budget situation, but they would also lead to higher-priced goods and services and fewer jobs.
You forget that the government pays you $1000 per child every April 15th. Nobody goes without healthcare.
That doesn't even count the earned income credit. You want a car? Take the 6,000 you get in April from the EIC alone and buy a damn nice used car.
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The EITC is nothing more than a republican handout. It is the reason so many Americans do not pay federal income taxes. At least it targets working Americans, though. I think giving an incentive to actually go out and get a job is important.
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The EITC is nothing more than a republican handout. It is the reason so many Americans do not pay federal income taxes. At least it targets working Americans, though. I think giving an incentive to actually go out and get a job is important.
Agreed. I hope you understand the main theme to all of my rants is a desire to reform entitlement spending. If basic human needs are the primary target, building self reliance & self confidence should be objective #1. Our current system encourages dependency and provides no possibility for building self esteem - leaving all parties involved sinking deeper into a dark hole.
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The EITC is nothing more than a republican handout. It is the reason so many Americans do not pay federal income taxes. At least it targets working Americans, though. I think giving an incentive to actually go out and get a job is important.
Agreed. I hope you understand the main theme to all of my rants is a desire to reform entitlement spending. If basic human needs are the primary target, building self reliance & self confidence should be objective #1. Our current system encourages dependency and provides no possibility for building self esteem - leaving all parties involved sinking deeper into a dark hole.
I agree that welfare for the unemployed encourages dependency. Welfare for the working poor, such as food stamps, EITC, etc. just allows people the means to continue working and not worry about their children being malnourished. I do think most of these people would demand higher wages without the government crutch, but that would also cost jobs and increase prices.
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41% of registered democrats prefer a felon to Obama
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