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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Dr Rick Daris on May 09, 2012, 09:37:32 AM
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has anybody eaten at the new bar and grill place in westloop? it's called bubbas. it looks nice but i just can't get past the name "bubbas".
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wow what a nice day today. anybody know what the high is supposed to be? 73? 76?
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so i've going to get a bunch of hhonors points in a few months and am thinking about one of the all inclusives in costa rica for a couple of nights. anybody know which one is better? there are two- hilton papagayo and hilton puntarenas. any help would be appreciated. tia.
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chicken wings. i just love 'em. anybody else?
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OT: anybody know a good brake mechanic in Manhattan?
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oscar weber is the only coach in illinois basketball history to be fired for performance related issues and k-state is the only high major school to ever immediately hire a coach that was just fired from another high major school for performance related issues. let's give him a chance though. we can't technically be 100% sure that he's going to be pretty bad.
Tech just hired Gillespie after he was fired at Kentucky for his crap performance (wasn't immediate but that doesn't matter). University of Arizona just hired Rich Rodriguez immediately after he was fired at Michigan for 3 crap seasons. These are the two most obvious that come to mind.
Houston Nutt hasn't been hired yet, but I wouldn't mind him as a coach either, despite his 2 final crap seasons at Ole Miss. From 98-09 he went to 9 bowl games. His final 2 seasons at Ole Miss he was 6-18 and during the 04-05 seasons at Arkansas he was 5-6, 4-7. But, I wouldn't consider him a garbage coach by any stretch. He had a few bad seasons sprinkled amidst a lot of really good seasons.
hey numbnuts-
1) this is the basketball board
2) gillespie was fired and then hired somewhere else two years later
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1) this is the basketball board
2) gillespie was fired and then hired somewhere else two years later
So, if Weber sat around for 2 seasons after being fired, then the K-State hire would have been perfectly acceptable in your mind? because the hire wasn't immediate. seems like a fairly Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking point to me.
And the RRod example is perfectly apt notwithstanding the fact that it's football instead of basketball. In fact, it's probably more apt considering the fact that football $$$ and branding is magnified 10fold in football. If hiring a failed coach looks poorly on a school, it's going to look poor whether it's a football or basketball hire.
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I'm going to be SO butthurt when Josh Gray academically qualifies at Tech.
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1) this is the basketball board
2) gillespie was fired and then hired somewhere else two years later
So, if Weber sat around for 2 seasons after being fired, then the K-State hire would have been perfectly acceptable in your mind? because the hire wasn't immediate. seems like a fairly Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking point to me.
And the RRod example is perfectly apt notwithstanding the fact that it's football instead of basketball. In fact, it's probably more apt considering the fact that football $$$ and branding is magnified 10fold in football. If hiring a failed coach looks poorly on a school, it's going to look poor whether it's a football or basketball hire.
i just said that it has never happened before in the history of college athletics with no opinion on whether or not it was acceptable. it has never ever happened. football has nothing to do with basketball. you might as well be talking mls.
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"k-state is the only high major school to ever immediately hire a coach that was just fired from another high major school."
Fact is that "fired coaches" can and do get subsequently rehired at high major schools in major BCS sports like football and basketball. not really sure why these sports are distinguishable in the context of your talking point. MLS or other professional sports aren't applicable because those aren't schools. But, in pro sports, more often than college, coaches and managers get fired and rehired by other organizations consistently.
Still not really sure why sitting out a year makes the hire more/less acceptable. Billy Gillespie was amazing at A&M and was rough ridin' terrible at Kentucky. Yet, I still view him as a great coach and think he would be a great hire at K-State. I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of EMAWs on this website would have supported hiring Gillespie instead of Weber. Why does him sitting out a year have any bearing whatsoever on whether the hire was a good/bad move?
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"k-state is the only high major school to ever immediately hire a coach that was just fired from another high major school."
Fact is that "fired coaches" can and do get subsequently rehired at high major schools in major BCS sports like football and basketball. not really sure why these sports are distinguishable in the context of your talking point. MLS or other professional sports aren't applicable because those aren't schools. But, in pro sports, more often than college, coaches and managers get fired and rehired by other organizations consistently.
Still not really sure why sitting out a year makes the hire more/less acceptable. Billy Gillespie was amazing at A&M and was rough ridin' terrible at Kentucky. Yet, I still view him as a great coach and think he would be a great hire at K-State. I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of EMAWs on this website would have supported hiring Gillespie instead of Weber. Why does him sitting out a year have any bearing whatsoever on whether the hire was a good/bad move?
for the last time, i stated a fact. i didn't say whether it was a good or bad move, but then again i just told you that five minutes ago so i doubt this post will clear it up either. i simply stated a fact. we are the only high major school in the history of the world to ever hire a coach that was just fired from a different high major due to sucking. sucking so hard that they fired him. since i am posting this on the basketball board (it's even titled "basketball"), i'll make an assumption that you can understand that i am talking about basketball. basketball. it's never happened ever. ever. again, no opinion whether it's good or bad.
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They should rename it Bubbles in honor of oscar Weber.
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so i've going to get a bunch of hhonors points in a few months and am thinking about one of the all inclusives in costa rica for a couple of nights. anybody know which one is better? there are two- hilton papagayo and hilton puntarenas. any help would be appreciated. tia.
Only place worth staying in Costa Rica is Flor Blanca...they do not accept hhonors points. Owner is a huge Tar Heels booster and extremely entertaining. Place is incredible.
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so i've going to get a bunch of hhonors points in a few months and am thinking about one of the all inclusives in costa rica for a couple of nights. anybody know which one is better? there are two- hilton papagayo and hilton puntarenas. any help would be appreciated. tia.
try the Hilton Tope Herido
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for the last time, i stated a fact. i didn't say whether it was a good or bad move.
Gotcha. you were just stating a fact. You assuredly weren't insinuating that the hire was a bad move because k-state is the only high major to hire a fired hire major coach. You were just stating a fact; not making an inference that it's a bad move because nobody EVER makes such a poor decision. I apologize for misunderstanding your post. Didn't realize you were just posting a fact without intending to make a statement. I'm a lttile slow. obviously.
To continue the DUI debate...
People who drive sober kill more motorists than people who drive drunk. Fact. Don't infer from this post that I think drunk driving is OK. Because I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that driving drunk is preferable over driving sober. I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying whether driving drunk is good or bad. I'm not saying that. Don't you understand me? I'm not saying that. I'm just stating a simple fact that sober drivers kill a lot more motorists than drunk drivers. This could be a good or bad thing. I don't know. Because, again, I'm just stating the fact. Don't draw an inference. Don't do it. And I'm only talking about car drivers. I'm not talking about truck drivers. There are other facts relating to truck drivers. But, I don't know those facts. So, if you're going to draw an inference from the fact I posted, don't bring up truck driving facts because they are completely different. trucks and cars are different and my fact only contemplates cars. The dangers of driving a truck and car drunk are completely different and not relateable. So, don't compare the two. They are not comparable.
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for the last time, i stated a fact. i didn't say whether it was a good or bad move.
Gotcha. you were just stating a fact. You assuredly weren't insinuating that the hire was a bad move because k-state is the only high major to hire a fired hire major coach. You were just stating a fact; not making an inference that it's a bad move because nobody EVER makes such a poor decision. I apologize for misunderstanding your post. Didn't realize you were just posting a fact without intending to make a statement. I'm a lttile slow. obviously.
To continue the DUI debate...
People who drive drunk kill more motorists than people who drive sober. Fact. Don't infer from this post that I think people shouldn't drive drunk. Because I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that driving sober is preferable over driving drunk. I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying whether driving drunk is good or bad. I'm not saying that. Don't you understand me? I'm not saying that. I'm just stating a simple fact that drunk drivers kill a lot more motorists than sober drivers. This could be a good or bad thing. I don't know. Because, again, I'm just stating the fact. Don't draw an inference. Don't do it. And I'm only talking about car drivers. I'm not talking about truck drivers. There are other facts relating to truck drivers. But, I don't know those facts. So, id you're going to draw an inference from the fact I posted, don't bring up truck driving facts because they are completely different. trucks and cars are different and my fact only contemplates cars. The dangers of driving a truck and car drunk are completely different and not relateable. So, don't compare the two. They are not comparable.
Source: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1113.pdf (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1113.pdf)
2009
Drivers in fatal accidents: 45,230
Percentage with BAC of .08% or greater: 22.3%
1999
Drivers in fatal accidents: 56,502
Percentage with BAC of .08% or greater: 20.3%
As we can tell from these numbers, nearly 80% of the drivers who kill people in car accidents are sober. Sorry Belvis, try again.
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for the last time, i stated a fact. i didn't say whether it was a good or bad move.
Gotcha. you were just stating a fact. You assuredly weren't insinuating that the hire was a bad move because k-state is the only high major to hire a fired hire major coach. You were just stating a fact; not making an inference that it's a bad move because nobody EVER makes such a poor decision. I apologize for misunderstanding your post. Didn't realize you were just posting a fact without intending to make a statement. I'm a lttile slow. obviously.
To continue the DUI debate...
People who drive drunk kill more motorists than people who drive sober. Fact. Don't infer from this post that I think people shouldn't drive drunk. Because I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that driving sober is preferable over driving drunk. I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying whether driving drunk is good or bad. I'm not saying that. Don't you understand me? I'm not saying that. I'm just stating a simple fact that drunk drivers kill a lot more motorists than sober drivers. This could be a good or bad thing. I don't know. Because, again, I'm just stating the fact. Don't draw an inference. Don't do it. And I'm only talking about car drivers. I'm not talking about truck drivers. There are other facts relating to truck drivers. But, I don't know those facts. So, id you're going to draw an inference from the fact I posted, don't bring up truck driving facts because they are completely different. trucks and cars are different and my fact only contemplates cars. The dangers of driving a truck and car drunk are completely different and not relateable. So, don't compare the two. They are not comparable.
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what in the world and who in the world is this directed to?
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what in the world and who in the world is this directed to?
:lol:
The guy who posted this...
"for the last time, i stated a fact. i didn't say whether it was a good or bad move, but then again i just told you that five minutes ago so i doubt this post will clear it up either. i simply stated a fact. we are the only high major school in the history of the world to ever hire a coach that was just fired from a different high major due to sucking. sucking so hard that they fired him. since i am posting this on the basketball board (it's even titled "basketball"), i'll make an assumption that you can understand that i am talking about basketball. basketball. it's never happened ever. ever. again, no opinion whether it's good or bad."
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what in the world and who in the world is this directed to?
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The guy who posted this...
"for the last time, i stated a fact. i didn't say whether it was a good or bad move, but then again i just told you that five minutes ago so i doubt this post will clear it up either. i simply stated a fact. we are the only high major school in the history of the world to ever hire a coach that was just fired from a different high major due to sucking. sucking so hard that they fired him. since i am posting this on the basketball board (it's even titled "basketball"), i'll make an assumption that you can understand that i am talking about basketball. basketball. it's never happened ever. ever. again, no opinion whether it's good or bad."
i don't know why you'd address all the drunk driving stuff to me though. seems v weird. like, i don't even know what you're talking about.
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what in the world and who in the world is this directed to?
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The guy who posted this...
"for the last time, i stated a fact. i didn't say whether it was a good or bad move, but then again i just told you that five minutes ago so i doubt this post will clear it up either. i simply stated a fact. we are the only high major school in the history of the world to ever hire a coach that was just fired from a different high major due to sucking. sucking so hard that they fired him. since i am posting this on the basketball board (it's even titled "basketball"), i'll make an assumption that you can understand that i am talking about basketball. basketball. it's never happened ever. ever. again, no opinion whether it's good or bad."
i don't know why you'd address all the drunk driving stuff to me though. seems v weird. like, i don't even know what you're talking about.
agreed. what an absolutely horrific post by belvis noland.
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i don't know why you'd address all the drunk driving stuff to me though. seems v weird. like, i don't even know what you're talking about.
I was trying to makin an equally absurd and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking point, using the DUI debate as a vehicle (no pun intended). I should have said "DUI debate from another thread." They've been debating the merits of DUI legislation in the Assistant Coaches Rumor thread for the past 2 or 3 days.
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i don't know why you'd address all the drunk driving stuff to me though. seems v weird. like, i don't even know what you're talking about.
I was trying to makin an equally absurd and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talking point, using the DUI debate as a vehicle (no pun intended). I should have said "DUI debate from another thread." They've been debating the merits of DUI legislation in the Assistant Coaches Rumor thread for the past 2 or 3 days.
oh. yeah what clams said then. i have no idea what dui debate you're talking about. in fairness, i'm guessing it'd be equally as bad though even if i did. maybe try and make the same point but substitute credit card churning so we can find out? :dunno:
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this thread is just one giant mindfuck
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this thread is just one giant mindfuck
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John Currie is trying to tear us apart.
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John Currie is trying to tear us apart.
*has torn
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good post(s) by belvis, although i think billy clyde is a shitty coach because he failed at kentucky.
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good post(s) by belvis, although i think billy clyde is a shitty coach because he failed at kentucky.
He was a great success at Texas A&M, though. You could definitely do much worse than BCG. Just look at who we ended up with.
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good post(s) by belvis, although i think billy clyde is a shitty coach because he failed at kentucky.
He was a great success at Texas A&M, though. You could definitely do much worse than BCG. Just look at who we ended up with.
Great? No. In no way were his accomplishments at A&M great.
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good post(s) by belvis, although i think billy clyde is a shitty coach because he failed at kentucky.
He was a great success at Texas A&M, though. You could definitely do much worse than BCG. Just look at who we ended up with.
Great? No. In no way were his accomplishments at A&M great.
I'm not sure what you expect a coach to do in three seasons after inheriting a team with only one postseason appearance (NIT) and only 2 conference winning seasons in the 14 years prior to his arrival. The team he inherited finished 0-16 in Big 12 play.
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good post(s) by belvis, although i think billy clyde is a shitty coach because he failed at kentucky.
He was a great success at Texas A&M, though. You could definitely do much worse than BCG. Just look at who we ended up with.
Great? No. In no way were his accomplishments at A&M great.
I'm not sure what you expect a coach to do in three seasons after inheriting a team with only one postseason appearance (NIT) and only 2 conference winning seasons in the 14 years prior to his arrival. The team he inherited finished 0-16 in Big 12 play.
Yeah, I know exactly what he accomplished. The two best players he coached at A&M, and his only pros, were inherited. He did well there, very well, not great though.
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Melvin Watkins' ability to not win a game with that roster is far more baffling than what bcg (or just about anyone) could do with it
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Folks, he just fits here!
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Weber hard at work!
Just thought everyone would like to know. While on my way to the union this morning at about 730; I saw Coach Weber on a walk on his phone. Already hard at work at 7:30. I like. He just fits here, I see success on the horizon. It wont be long before everyone gives up on all the Frank talk!
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sweet jesus.
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Folks, he just fits here!
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Weber hard at work!
Just thought everyone would like to know. While on my way to the union this morning at about 730; I saw Coach Weber on a walk on his phone. Already hard at work at 7:30. I like. He just fits here, I see success on the horizon. It wont be long before everyone gives up on all the Frank talk!
hard at work @ 7:30? Seen @AAU tourney's after 10 o'clock at night? My god, when does this man sleep?!? :horrorsurprise:
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Folks, he just fits here!
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Weber hard at work!
Just thought everyone would like to know. While on my way to the union this morning at about 730; I saw Coach Weber on a walk on his phone. Already hard at work at 7:30. I like. He just fits here, I see success on the horizon. It wont be long before everyone gives up on all the Frank talk!
It has nothing to do with Frank, at least not to me. Typical tactic of the Currieites to divert the attention away from Currie's incompetence and onto Frank, however.
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Folks, he just fits here!
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Weber hard at work!
Just thought everyone would like to know. While on my way to the union this morning at about 730; I saw Coach Weber on a walk on his phone. Already hard at work at 7:30. I like. He just fits here, I see success on the horizon. It wont be long before everyone gives up on all the Frank talk!
It has nothing to do with Frank, at least not to me. Typical tactic of the Currieites to divert the attention away from Currie's incompetence and onto Frank, however.
Precisely. My bro-in-law keeps on saying to me, "You are still a Frank lover" whenever I say something about Webster. I have told him at least 20 times, "Look, Webster was a crappy hire. You will see. It has nothing to do with Frank and it is nothing against Webster personally other than the fact that he took a great team to hell in less than 9 years. When Snyder did the opposite in football, it was hailed as a miracle. What do you want to call it when it goes from great to shitty in 9 years? A disaster? The hire was bad."
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weber, not webster
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Do other schools have this many insanely idiotic people that comprise their fan base?
It's hard to believe that we're not the dumbest, and by a wide margin, but I go back and forth.
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have you not seen the alabama football fans on youtube?
and LSU is right there with them. SEC!
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weber, not webster
seriously?
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you kept typing the wrong name :thumbs:
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you kept typing the wrong name :thumbs:
I know, I have been doing since day 1, unless I messed up some where. It drives my bro-in-law crazy.
:lol: but not really that :lol: probably much more :rolleyes:
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welp dobber, color me confused
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have you not seen the alabama football fans on youtube?
and LSU is right there with them. SEC!
None of them enjoy losing like we do, though. We've got them all beat by a wide margin in that department.