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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: SkinnyBenny on April 04, 2012, 02:13:52 PM
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-Black jerseys
-Other cool Nike jerseys
-Tunnel dances
-Angry fans
-Hellacious Sandstorm
-Wins
What am I forgetting?
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Players transferring
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- Respect for program
- Fan confidence
- Attendance
- Guards refusing to play in the NIT
- National Interest
- Adorable players doing adorable impersonations of their coach for fan vids
- JYC mindset
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Wasn't it said that he had a really good relationship with Nike? Does that mean anything?
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Gigantic suits being purchased from Dillards.
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Wins over top 10 teams
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Wasn't it said that he had a really good relationship with Nike? Does that mean anything?
I have a hard time believing this unless his cleanliness is way overstated.
I mean, I have a great relationship with Nike in that I buy their shoes and they work really well for the money I spend on them....
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lol at you guys thinking Weber will have the balls to tell the players they can't do a tunnel dance. He's begging for his life & job for them to stay.
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lol at you guys thinking Weber will have the balls to tell the players they can't do a tunnel dance. He's begging for his life & job for them to stay.
Rodney crushed it without an over-the-top nice white guy in charge. What do you think will happen the first time oscar sees Tay gyrate on the big screen??? Support the crap out of Rodney's decision and end that crap.
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lol at you guys thinking Weber will have the balls to tell the players they can't do a tunnel dance. He's begging for his life & job for them to stay.
Rodney crushed it without an over-the-top nice white guy in charge. What do you think will happen the first time oscar sees Tay gyrate on the big screen??? Support the crap out of Rodney's decision and end that crap.
:sdeek:
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Wins over top 10 teams
Weber was actually pretty good throughout his time at Illinois beating Top 10 teams and getting quality wins.
I'm more concerned that he tended to lose too often to bad/average teams.
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Conference road wins
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Chuck Norris references and Jim Rome love. :frown:
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no more dick floppin :ck:
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Recruits who speak Espanol
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- Respect for program
- Fan confidence
- Attendance
- Guards refusing to play in the NIT
- National Interest
- Adorable players doing adorable impersonations of their coach for fan vids
- JYC mindset
This is the biggest one, imo. Just awful. I don't live in MHK anymore and I got to watch every single game of the last two seasons on TV or online. I can't go back to calling my dad and having him turn on KMAN and holding the phone up to the speaker. I can't.
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Puerto Rico flags and Puerto Rico flag fan throwdowns :frown:
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Also sounds like, at least in the short-term, he's not gonna play as many neutral-site games as Frankers.
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Fun
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John Currie
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John Currie
LOL
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Wins over top 10 teams
Weber was actually pretty good throughout his time at Illinois beating Top 10 teams and getting quality wins.
I'm more concerned that he tended to lose too often to bad/average teams.
So he's just like Frank?
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Wins over top 10 teams
Weber was actually pretty good throughout his time at Illinois beating Top 10 teams and getting quality wins.
I'm more concerned that he tended to lose too often to bad/average teams.
So he's just like Frank?
No, he will actually LOSE to teams like Fort Hays State. Remember when Wooly's team got run by UMKC? Think that.
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Wins over Texas
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Wins over Texas
This. We had a good run.
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anger bombs
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intelligent posters.
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Wins over top 10 teams
Weber was actually pretty good throughout his time at Illinois beating Top 10 teams and getting quality wins.
I'm more concerned that he tended to lose too often to bad/average teams.
frank. had a tendency of this at times as well, especially this year
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Assistant coach DUIs
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Stan getting his ass ripped for the team not playing defense
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intelligent posters.
Don't worry, I will outlast oscar.
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Wins over Texas
No way, the voodoo extends beyond coaches.
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the phrase "you know"
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hitting players on the sidelines :sdeek: :eek:
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"I said I wanted some f*cking water"
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"Coward!"
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"You are the rough ridin' most rough ridin' worthless rough ridin' player I have ever rough ridin' coached!"
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intelligent posters.
Don't worry, I will outlast oscar.
;)
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Final scores in the 70s.
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Final scores in the 70s.
Oh don't worry, we never had those.
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angel rodriguez trioche
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angel rodriguez trioche
What happens when currie refuses his release through his puppet oscar :sdeek:
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Wins over top 10 teams
Weber was actually pretty good throughout his time at Illinois beating Top 10 teams and getting quality wins.
I'm more concerned that he tended to lose too often to bad/average teams.
This is a little misleading. We beat a top ten MSU a couple years ago at home only because Kalin Lucas was hurt. We would not have been within 10 points had he been healthy. For the most part the last 6 years (post-Dee Brown) we could not beat the top Big Ten teams at home. That was a big part of the problem. To beat a full strength top ten team at home you ordinarily have to be a top 25 team. The last 6 years we never finished the year in the top 25.
Weber supporters/optimists can obfuscate the truth by pointing to a couple misleading top ten wins but the bottom line is this: There is absolutely no way to justify optimism for the oscar Weber era based on his last 6 years at Illinois. Three tourney appearances and one tourney win and no top 25 finishes over that time is conclusive evidence that he was a complete failure. Pop in game tape of those teams and you can see for yourself.
The only way you guys fare better is if oscar Weber changes what he is doing. He has to learn that good shooters do not make good basketball players (and often make awful players if they are stiff and don't have any other discernible skills). He has to learn that encouragement and hope mold better basketball teams than criticism and negativity. I was surprised to see that SIU had scored more than 70 points in their Sweet 16 loss with him as coach. It means he wasn't always coaching this way. He needs to own up to his failure at Illinois and get back to doing what he did at SIU.
I'm honestly not sure why at this point I am still ripping on oscar Weber on his new team's board. I think it largely is due to the fact that I have been reading justifications for Weber the last 6 years similar to the one I am responding to and I'm still not over the depression and negativity this man cause Illinois fans to suffer through. The Weber era at Illinois was a huge depression and left many of us floundering in denial for much of that time. It wasn't just the losing, it was Weber's denials that he was responsible. It was a miserable situation for not just fans but also his players to be in.
I don't want the same to happen to you. Don't buy into the excuses and rationalizations. Trust your eyes and what you are watching. Are you happy with the way the team is playing? Are you seeing good basketball or are you watching a basketball abortion? It may be that he has a team that will click ... but if that happens be sure to watch who he is recruiting. If he does not bring in a few decent ball handling guards, or does not bring in any post players that have any size or strength, you need to take action. Trust your gut. You cannot afford to give him the benefit of the doubt and you cannot afford to let him talk his way into excusing his performance. It is so hypocritical that he takes credit for taking Illinois farther than they've ever gone in the tournament but then blames the players the last 6 years for their failures and disappointments. Life doesn't work that way. Or at least it shouldn't and when he tries to get away with it everyone needs to call him out on it.
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Final scores in the 70s.
Oh don't worry, we never had those.
what are you talking about?
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I'm sure a guy that made millions of dollars and still mows his own lawn will change without a problem.
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Final scores in the 70s.
Oh don't worry, we never had those.
what are you talking about?
I'm jus' playinnnn'
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Wins over top 10 teams
Weber was actually pretty good throughout his time at Illinois beating Top 10 teams and getting quality wins.
I'm more concerned that he tended to lose too often to bad/average teams.
This is a little misleading. We beat a top ten MSU a couple years ago at home only because Kalin Lucas was hurt. We would not have been within 10 points had he been healthy. For the most part the last 6 years (post-Dee Brown) we could not beat the top Big Ten teams at home. That was a big part of the problem. To beat a full strength top ten team at home you ordinarily have to be a top 25 team. The last 6 years we never finished the year in the top 25.
Weber supporters/optimists can obfuscate the truth by pointing to a couple misleading top ten wins but the bottom line is this: There is absolutely no way to justify optimism for the oscar Weber era based on his last 6 years at Illinois. Three tourney appearances and one tourney win and no top 25 finishes over that time is conclusive evidence that he was a complete failure. Pop in game tape of those teams and you can see for yourself.
The only way you guys fare better is if oscar Weber changes what he is doing. He has to learn that good shooters do not make good basketball players (and often make awful players if they are stiff and don't have any other discernible skills). He has to learn that encouragement and hope mold better basketball teams than criticism and negativity. I was surprised to see that SIU had scored more than 70 points in their Sweet 16 loss with him as coach. It means he wasn't always coaching this way. He needs to own up to his failure at Illinois and get back to doing what he did at SIU.
I'm honestly not sure why at this point I am still ripping on oscar Weber on his new team's board. I think it largely is due to the fact that I have been reading justifications for Weber the last 6 years similar to the one I am responding to and I'm still not over the depression and negativity this man cause Illinois fans to suffer through. The Weber era at Illinois was a huge depression and left many of us floundering in denial for much of that time. It wasn't just the losing, it was Weber's denials that he was responsible. It was a miserable situation for not just fans but also his players to be in.
I don't want the same to happen to you. Don't buy into the excuses and rationalizations. Trust your eyes and what you are watching. Are you happy with the way the team is playing? Are you seeing good basketball or are you watching a basketball abortion? It may be that he has a team that will click ... but if that happens be sure to watch who he is recruiting. If he does not bring in a few decent ball handling guards, or does not bring in any post players that have any size or strength, you need to take action. Trust your gut. You cannot afford to give him the benefit of the doubt and you cannot afford to let him talk his way into excusing his performance. It is so hypocritical that he takes credit for taking Illinois farther than they've ever gone in the tournament but then blames the players the last 6 years for their failures and disappointments. Life doesn't work that way. Or at least it shouldn't and when he tries to get away with it everyone needs to call him out on it.
1. Enjoy your new coach, bro.
2. Basketball Abortion should be waiting in the wings as a new bb board name.
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- National Interest
The national college basketball writers all love Weber, and I'm not talking about this bullshit we've heard this week about "its the best kstate could expect." I listened and read these guys and girls make excuses for Weber since early February. I had a podcast downloaded that I listened to one night while working out where Dana O'Neil and Eamon Brennan spent 20 minutes of a 40 minute podcast essentially scapegoating Weber from the entire crap show that transpired this season. Poor Meyers Leonard has been a punching bag for all national Weber apologists.
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I had a podcast downloaded that I listened to one night while working out where Dana O'Neil and Eamon Brennan.
those two are the most boring and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) podcasters alive.
"ok, dana, let's do our top 10 mascots list for half of another podcast, then we can rank famous coaches and go home"
"sounds, great eamon, my kids don't watch me sleep enough. oh, the road."
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I had a podcast downloaded that I listened to one night while working out where Dana O'Neil and Eamon Brennan.
those two are the most boring and Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) podcasters alive.
"ok, dana, let's do our top 10 mascots list for half of another podcast, then we can rank famous coaches and go home"
"sounds, great eamon, my kids don't watch me sleep enough. oh, the road."
Confirmed, they are awful. I think like 2 or 3 podcasts after the one I previously mentioned Brennan spent 15 minutes talking about the guy who records their podcasts. Dana has the worst and most frequently used cackle in all of the podsphere and I don't think she ever watches games that don't involve the Big 10 or Pennsylvania schools.
I listen to every national CBB podcast I can find. I frequently have an inner debate about who I like better Norlander/Parish/Goodman or Burr/Gottlieb/Katz. I think the edge goes to the CBS three. I like Goodman and Parish but find them both sightly annoying. Norlander is a star. If ESPN regularly paired Gottlieb with Dan Dakich they would be the the GOAT.
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"torn-a-ment"
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This is a little misleading. We beat a top ten MSU a couple years ago at home only because Kalin Lucas was hurt. We would not have been within 10 points had he been healthy. For the most part the last 6 years (post-Dee Brown) we could not beat the top Big Ten teams at home. That was a big part of the problem. To beat a full strength top ten team at home you ordinarily have to be a top 25 team. The last 6 years we never finished the year in the top 25.
Weber supporters/optimists can obfuscate the truth by pointing to a couple misleading top ten wins but the bottom line is this: There is absolutely no way to justify optimism for the oscar Weber era based on his last 6 years at Illinois. Three tourney appearances and one tourney win and no top 25 finishes over that time is conclusive evidence that he was a complete failure. Pop in game tape of those teams and you can see for yourself.
The only way you guys fare better is if oscar Weber changes what he is doing. He has to learn that good shooters do not make good basketball players (and often make awful players if they are stiff and don't have any other discernible skills). He has to learn that encouragement and hope mold better basketball teams than criticism and negativity. I was surprised to see that SIU had scored more than 70 points in their Sweet 16 loss with him as coach. It means he wasn't always coaching this way. He needs to own up to his failure at Illinois and get back to doing what he did at SIU.
I'm honestly not sure why at this point I am still ripping on oscar Weber on his new team's board. I think it largely is due to the fact that I have been reading justifications for Weber the last 6 years similar to the one I am responding to and I'm still not over the depression and negativity this man cause Illinois fans to suffer through. The Weber era at Illinois was a huge depression and left many of us floundering in denial for much of that time. It wasn't just the losing, it was Weber's denials that he was responsible. It was a miserable situation for not just fans but also his players to be in.
I don't want the same to happen to you. Don't buy into the excuses and rationalizations. Trust your eyes and what you are watching. Are you happy with the way the team is playing? Are you seeing good basketball or are you watching a basketball abortion? It may be that he has a team that will click ... but if that happens be sure to watch who he is recruiting. If he does not bring in a few decent ball handling guards, or does not bring in any post players that have any size or strength, you need to take action. Trust your gut. You cannot afford to give him the benefit of the doubt and you cannot afford to let him talk his way into excusing his performance. It is so hypocritical that he takes credit for taking Illinois farther than they've ever gone in the tournament but then blames the players the last 6 years for their failures and disappointments. Life doesn't work that way. Or at least it shouldn't and when he tries to get away with it everyone needs to call him out on it.
I appreciate your input and while I will give him a chance, I will heed your warnings.
I agree that Weber has to tweak his offensive philosophy and I hope he's willing to do that. He consistently had defenses that were good enough to win at Illinois, but his offensive efficiency numbers the last 6 years have been his downfall. And I agree that it is strange how much he changed the pace of his teams at Illinois. At SIU his teams consistently played at around 70 possessions per game, at Illinois it dropped to around 65. His worst seasons were some of his slower paced teams. His worst two teams were also his two worst 3 point shooting teams, both finishing worse than 32% from 3 for the season.
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"torn-a-ment"
:lol:
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Decent Cuban food in town (The Patio) and Hoolihan's calamari. Not happy about this. Oh, and Pepsi signs with Frank's angry face on them!
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I think I'm going to miss Stan mistletoe kisses the most.
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