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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on April 04, 2012, 10:13:02 AM
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So I recall a very vocal group on this board liking Billy Clyde as a coach. In the Big XII rankings thread, several (not all) ranked Gillespie ahead of Weber.
Now, I'm not sure whether there's any overlap between Gillespie lovers and Weber haters, but I don't see a big difference. For the most part, Weber's numbers are better.
1) Both were fired.
2) Both are white men.
3) Weber had a better overall record (.669) than Gillespie (.622) after being fired (i.e., not even counting last year's 8-23 train wreck for BCG).
4) Weber won 4 conference titles in 14 seasons; Gillespie won 1 in 8 seasons.
5) Weber went to Sweet 16 three times in 14 seasons; Gillespie once in 8 seasons.
6) Weber went to the Elite 8, Final Four, and championship game.
Anyone who loves Billy Clyde and hates Weber, please clue me in. Now, BCG didn't have a losing record at UK (in two seasons) but he sucked bad enough to get fired.
:dunno:
(Of course, maybe BCG sucks as a coach -- his team last year was embarrassing -- in which case this comparison is not complimentary.)
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who on earth loves billy clyde? also, gillespie built aTm from the ground and weber took over a program that was very high level if not elite. gillespie did suck at KY who is definitely elite.
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No one here liked Billy. Phog loved him.
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wow. you beat the crap out of that strawman.
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OK then, I guess I misremembered the Billy Clyde love.
:flush: this thread...
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OK then, I guess I misremembered the Billy Clyde love.
:flush: this thread...
No, I remember. People here have terrible memories. (See surprise over the cost coaching search firms, e.g.) It was a long time ago, though. From the superior ksufans site.
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Not a huge fan of Billy Clyde but I'd send Weber & Currie to Lubbock in trade for BG and an assistant coach to be named later so fast it would make your head spin.
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Yes, I was a fan of BCG. A big difference between his tenure at UK and Weber's tenure at Illinois was BCG got 2 years and Weber got 9. BCG also never had a losing conference record.
I would still prefer him over oscar because he hasn't been given the opportunity to run a program completely into the ground and he recruits texas like a weirdo. Still, I'm allowed to change my mind depending on the context.
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OK then, I guess I misremembered the Billy Clyde love.
:flush: this thread...
just post some fancy nyc pictures to make up for it.
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Yeah, there was plenty of Billy Clyde love. He obviously did well at A&M and they sucked before he came in, but Melvin left him NBA talent.
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I think BCG is much better than Weber. His success at A&M trumps anything Weber has done. His failure at Kentucky was also nowhere near the level of failure Weber had at Illinois.
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Yes, I was a fan of BCG. A big difference between his tenure at UK and Weber's tenure at Illinois was BCG got 2 years and Weber got 9. BCG also never had a losing conference record.
I would still prefer him over oscar because he hasn't been given the opportunity to run a program completely into the ground and he recruits texas like a weirdo. Still, I'm allowed to change my mind depending on the context.
NO. You pushed the "lost to Wooly" talking point pretty hard.
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Yes, I was a fan of BCG. A big difference between his tenure at UK and Weber's tenure at Illinois was BCG got 2 years and Weber got 9. BCG also never had a losing conference record.
I would still prefer him over oscar because he hasn't been given the opportunity to run a program completely into the ground and he recruits texas like a weirdo. Still, I'm allowed to change my mind depending on the context.
NO. You pushed the "lost to Wooly" talking point pretty hard.
I change my mind a lot depending on my mood and the audience.
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Throw out the 2 yrs a UK, he was to loaded to coach
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:thisthreadsucks
dang
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His face seems too small for his head.
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Billy built aTm, Weber tore down Illinois. Big difference. Not necessarily a BCG fan though
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His face seems too small for his head.
He looks like an older version of a prominent poster on this board.
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OK then, I guess I misremembered the Billy Clyde love.
:flush: this thread...
No, I remember. People here have terrible memories. (See surprise over the cost coaching search firms, e.g.) It was a long time ago, though. From the superior ksufans site.
No one was surprised. We were just calling Currie out for padding a friend's pocket with KSU money. The same way Weef and Krause used to do it.
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His face seems too small for his head.
He looks like an older version of a prominent poster on this board.
heh. weird that i immediately knew who you were talking about.
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OK then, I guess I misremembered the Billy Clyde love.
:flush: this thread...
No, I remember. People here have terrible memories. (See surprise over the cost coaching search firms, e.g.) It was a long time ago, though. From the superior ksufans site.
No one was surprised. We were just calling Currie out for padding a friend's pocket with KSU money. The same way Weef and Krause used to do it.
pretty sure some were surprised about that. and about currie padding a friend's pocket. and that currie would lie. and that frank would lie. and that coaches are hired based on things other than wins. it's been a regular rough ridin' naivete-o-rama around here lately. it's caused by butthurt.
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pretty sure some were surprised about that. and about currie padding a friend's pocket. and that currie would lie. and that frank would lie. and that coaches are hired based on things other than wins. it's been a regular rough ridin' naivete-o-rama around here lately. it's caused by butthurt.
Yeah. Thing is there are plenty of things to legitimately be upset about.