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Could have been posted in an existing thread already:
This is normally a quiet time of year for Kansas State basketball news, but with the Wildcats’ recent coaching change I’ve got plenty for you this beautiful Tuesday afternoon.
New coach oscar Weber says he is working round-the-clock right now, trying to hire a coaching staff and getting to know K-State’s players. He is living out of a hotel, eating when he can and using multiple phones to keep up with all of his contacts.
He took some time out of his busy day to speak with me earlier today. So I’ve got plenty of news and notes to pass along. Here we go:
FIRST IMPRESSIONS
Weber spent time on the court working out with players for the first time on Monday. Though players weren’t in game shape following two weeks of down time, he was impressed with what he saw from them.
“They told me right away, ‘The one thing we will do is we will play hard. That’s the one thing we’ve always done,’” Weber said. “You can definitely see that. They’ve got some pretty good raw talent and physical ability.”
He knows what he will emphasize with them in the short term.
“Shooting and getting the ball in the hoop is the one thing we really need to work at over the spring and summer,” Weber said.
When asked about individual players, he said a few things stuck out.
Martavious Irving – “I like him. He’s got a good body and a nice jump shot.”
Shane Southwell – “He is one guy I noticed. He’s got a great body and has some basketball instincts.”
Thomas Gipson – “Man does he have a big body.”
Will Spradling – “Probably has the most skill when you consider everything, but I like them all.”
Jordan Henriquez – “Jordan has a lot of ability. He hit a couple threes yesterday. I didn’t know he had that in his bag of tricks. I asked him if he ever did any pick-and-pops, and he said, ‘No, they just had me driving to the hoop, but I can do that stuff.’ He made some shots, so that was positive.”
We in the media know Henriquez has always wanted the chance to shoot from the perimeter. He pushed Jacob Pullen in a three-point shooting contest two years ago. Former coach Frank Martin didn’t want him shooting from out there, but Weber says he will allow it – sometimes.
“I hope it’s not the only thing he does,” Weber said with a laugh. “But there is nothing wrong with a trailer or something else on break, or a pick-and-pop. That is fine. That’s OK. That’s something for his future too. If he can prove he can shoot it on the perimeter, that will help him.”
SIDELINED PLAYERS
Two prominent players not mentioned above are Rodney McGruder and Angel Rodriguez. Both are out recovering from medical procedures.
McGruder had surgery on his foot at the conclusion of the season, and is home with a boot on. Weber said Rodriguez just underwent a medical procedure related to tendinitis in his knee.
“It’s not a big deal,” Weber said. “He just needs to rest it a little bit.”
WINNING OVER MCGRUDER
Weber has met with both players, and says he is looking forward to working with them. But he already has a sense on what it will be like coaching McGruder. Weber said he has reached out multiple times to everyone who will be a senior next year, including McGruder.
“I had two meetings with Rodney and have talked to him on the phone each night,” Weber said. “Everything has been good. With a change and somebody new they want to get to know me. That’s why I think it is so important to be around them. I want to get on the court with them and show them what I’m like. I want them coming in the office and being around. I want to see them.
“With Rodney, it’s funny. He’s just such a nice kid. Instead of telling me what he does best, he says, ‘Coach, what do I need to do to fit into your system? I’ve been looking at tape on YouTube and watched how you did this with Deron Williams and Dee Brown.’
“It’s neat to hear him say some of that stuff. He said he couldn’t even sleep the other night he was so excited. He said he hopped out of bed and just started watching tape. Our guards have always been a big part of what we do. We have always had pretty good guards and developed them. Hopefully he will join that group.”
BRAZIL TRIP
Weber doesn’t know the exact dates, but in early August he will take the Wildcats to Brazil for a 10-day basketball tour. College teams are allowed to take International trips every few years. Weber has been a part of several before, but he is really looking forward to this one.
“It’s just a tremendous experience for the student athletes,” Weber said. “I told our guys I’ve done it eight or nine times now and it’s just the greatest life experience you’re ever going to have. If you want to play professionally but can’t make it in the NBA, it’s a great opportunity to see what it’s like overseas. You can see if it’s something you might want to do.
“For us, it will be great. You have 10 days of practice time together. That’s 10 days of being together, getting to know the players and their families and the chance to play games.”
2012-2013 SCHEDULE
Kansas State has two openings on next year’s schedule. Weber says both will be home games.
The old coaching staff was considering moving one of them to Wichita, but hadn’t committed to anything. Weber said returning to Wichita (K-State lost to West Virginia in front of a packed house there this season) could be a possibility in future years, but not in his first season.
“We need a few more games here at Bramlage,” Weber said.
Marquee games next season include: vs. Florida at Sprint Center, at George Washington and a trip to the preseason NIT in New York.
K-State was also scheduled to play West Virginia in a nonconference game, but that game has been scrubbed with the Mountaineers joining the Big 12 next season.
Read more here: http://blogs.kansas.com/kstated/2012/04/03/oscar-weber-reflects-on-everything-from-k-state-players-to-scheduling-and-trip-to-brazil/#storylink=cpy
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I'll say it...
confidence rising
:peek:
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man, the tucks will totally eat up william being our best player.
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I'll say it...
confidence rising
:peek:
Sounds a little like Weber had something rising too .... :eek:
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I read it earlier today, tucked my polo down around my nutsack, and smiled knowing that frank won't be harming any of my beloved cats anymore.
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What skills did will show off? Nunchuck skills?
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“He is one guy I noticed."
To be fair, this is probably the most flattering thing I could say about Shane, too.
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“He is one guy I noticed."
To be fair, this is probably the most flattering thing I could say about Shane, too.
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“He is one guy I noticed."
To be fair, this is probably the most flattering thing I could say about Shane, too.
Great first post.
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Those comments make me wanna :bang:
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After these first comments from oscar about the team, I'm afraid all comments from now on will sound oddly homoerotic.
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Jo hitting threes like a boss :thumbs:
Very disappointed in no mentions of DOB'ing or oop'ing
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Jo hitting threes like a boss :thumbs:
Very disappointed in no mentions of DOB'ing or oop'ing
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Also no comments about Angel... was he even there?
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Jo hitting threes like a boss :thumbs:
Very disappointed in no mentions of DOB'ing or oop'ing
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Also no comments about Angel... was he even there?
Angel had a minor surgery, on his knee I believe. And it sounds like Weber has prioritized reaching out and trying to keep him. At this point he's still the main concern of mine for a player leaving, but I'm hopeful.
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Jo hitting threes like a boss :thumbs:
Very disappointed in no mentions of DOB'ing or oop'ing
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Also no comments about Angel... was he even there?
you must have missed the part about angel in the thing I posted in the first post in this thread. common mistake.
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He mentioned talking to angel but has been very vague about feedback from him. I am still expecting angel to be leaving. I haven't fully recovered and still feel skewed more toward pessimism than normal.
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This made me feel better a little. It is comforting to see he is as obsessed with their beautiful bodies as we are.
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Jordan Henriquez – “Jordan has a lot of ability. He hit a couple threes yesterday. I didn’t know he had that in his bag of tricks. I asked him if he ever did any pick-and-pops, and he said, ‘No, they just had me driving to the hoop, but I can do that stuff.’ He made some shots, so that was positive.”
KSU fans. Warning: This is where the destruction begins. Illinois had no guys getting to the hoop the last 6 years under Weber. They passed the ball around the perimeter doing pick and pops for 30 seconds before someone would take a hail mary 3. The last game Illinois played, they did not shoot 1 free throw. Sadly, this was not the only time this happened under Bubbles.
I always thought it was because they didnt have the talent but here I see a player telling Bubbles he just gets to the hoop and Bubbles ask if he can do pick and pops! :chainsaw:
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Jo hitting threes like a boss :thumbs:
Very disappointed in no mentions of DOB'ing or oop'ing
Sent from my MB611 using Tapatalk
Also no comments about Angel... was he even there?
you must have missed the part about angel in the thing I posted in the first post in this thread. common mistake.
skimmed right over it... not a good skimmer... suck at skimming.
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one of the knocks on weber's teams was that his big men (after self's recruits were gone) were face up pussies. just sayin'.
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Jo hitting threes like a boss :thumbs:
Very disappointed in no mentions of DOB'ing or oop'ing
Sent from my MB611 using Tapatalk
Also no comments about Angel... was he even there?
you must have missed the part about angel in the thing I posted in the first post in this thread. common mistake.
:thumbs:
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Hey, one of my biggest concerns in looking at Weber's teams is the lack of FT rate. Its a weakness and I'm hopeful he can grow and change, partially due to the fact his teams at Southern Illinois had pretty good FT rates, so he's done it before.
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one of the knocks on weber's teams was that his big men (after self's recruits were gone) were face up pussies. just sayin'.
Yeah. Some what concerning that he's openly discussing our 5 taking secondary break transition 3 point attempts. Also, talk of expanding Jordan's game to the perimeter for the good of his career seems counterproductive for a 5 who needs lots of work on his inside game. For Jordan as well as our team next season.
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No Photoshops of oscar yet.
Here's one.
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He is going to ruin JO. Sad really.
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Hey, one of my biggest concerns in looking at Weber's teams is the lack of FT rate. Its a weakness and I'm hopeful he can grow and change, partially due to the fact his teams at Southern Illinois had pretty good FT rates, so he's done it before.
Hey everybody, look! A Weberite!
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one of the knocks on weber's teams was that his big men (after self's recruits were gone) were face up pussies. just sayin'.
Yeah. Some what concerning that he's openly discussing our 5 taking secondary break transition 3 point attempts. Also, talk of expanding Jordan's game to the perimeter for the good of his career seems counterproductive for a 5 who needs lots of work on his inside game. For Jordan as well as our team next season.
It was a fluff piece by Kellis, JO isn't going to start trying to go dirk on people.
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I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.
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What skills did will show off? Nunchuck skills?
I lol'ed
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What skills did will show off? Nunchuck skills?
He's pretty good with a bo staff
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Hey, one of my biggest concerns in looking at Weber's teams is the lack of FT rate. Its a weakness and I'm hopeful he can grow and change, partially due to the fact his teams at Southern Illinois had pretty good FT rates, so he's done it before.
Hey everybody, look! A Weberite!
Good lord. It took nearly a decade to drive out the Woolites. :blank:
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Hey, one of my biggest concerns in looking at Weber's teams is the lack of FT rate. Its a weakness and I'm hopeful he can grow and change, partially due to the fact his teams at Southern Illinois had pretty good FT rates, so he's done it before.
Hey everybody, look! A Weberite!
Good lord. It took nearly a decade to drive out the Woolites. :blank:
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Jordan Henriquez – “Jordan has a lot of ability. He hit a couple threes yesterday. I didn’t know he had that in his bag of tricks. I asked him if he ever did any pick-and-pops, and he said, ‘No, they just had me driving to the hoop, but I can do that stuff.’ He made some shots, so that was positive.”
KSU fans. Warning: This is whkiere the destruction begins. Illinois had no guys getting to the hoop the last 6 years under Weber. They passed the ball around the perimeter doing pick and pops for 30 seconds before someone would take a hail mary 3. The last game Illinois played, they did not shoot 1 free throw. Sadly, this was not the only time this happened under Bubbles.
I always thought it was because they didnt have the talent but here I see a player telling Bubbles he just gets to the hoop and Bubbles ask if he can do pick and pops! :chainsaw:
confidence still rising? Thanks for pointing this out about him! This is the one I've noticed...scary crap..Jo was just starting to become a force inside, hopefully this doesn't make him soft...
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Great to hear we have football games lined up in WV and a BB game in DC next year. Sharmutahs.
Also, I love that breakdown of players:
Martavious Irving – “He’s got a good body”
Shane Southwell – “He’s got a great body”
Thomas Gipson – “Man does he have a big body.”
Will Spradling – “Great personality."
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I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.
Because he's not as valuable if he's out shooting 3's. Not to us and not to an NBA team. Did you watch Anthony Davis last night? That's what JO could be. Does anyone give a crap if Anthony Davis can shoot 3's?
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Hey, one of my biggest concerns in looking at Weber's teams is the lack of FT rate. Its a weakness and I'm hopeful he can grow and change, partially due to the fact his teams at Southern Illinois had pretty good FT rates, so he's done it before.
Hey everybody, look! A Weberite!
Good lord. It took nearly a decade to drive out the Woolites. :blank:
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I've seen you do this to yourself before. I was right there with you. Maybe not posting very often, but I was right there.
This time I think we need to have an intervention.
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I've seen you do this to yourself before. I was right there with you. Maybe not posting very often, but I was right there.
This time I think we need to have an intervention.
If/when Weber brings bad basketball I will call it like I see it. I did the same with Frank. I've grown since Wooly.
But at this point Weber hasn't coached a game and I don't hate him, so I'll move forward.
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I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.
Because he's not as valuable if he's out shooting 3's. Not to us and not to an NBA team. Did you watch Anthony Davis last night? That's what JO could be. Does anyone give a crap if Anthony Davis can shoot 3's?
If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.
I've seen you do this to yourself before. I was right there with you. Maybe not posting very often, but I was right there.
This time I think we need to have an intervention.
If/when Weber brings bad basketball I will call it like I see it. I did the same with Frank. I've grown since Wooly.
But at this point Weber hasn't coached a game and I don't hate him, so I'll move forward.
He's coached many games. In fact, he has lost 66 Big 10 games over the last 6 years.
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I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.
Because he's not as valuable if he's out shooting 3's. Not to us and not to an NBA team. Did you watch Anthony Davis last night? That's what JO could be. Does anyone give a crap if Anthony Davis can shoot 3's?
If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.
I've seen you do this to yourself before. I was right there with you. Maybe not posting very often, but I was right there.
This time I think we need to have an intervention.
If/when Weber brings bad basketball I will call it like I see it. I did the same with Frank. I've grown since Wooly.
But at this point Weber hasn't coached a game and I don't hate him, so I'll move forward.
He's coached many games. In fact, he has lost 66 Big 10 games over the last 6 years.
I get it and I get everything you've said since he was hired.
But he's still 0-0 at K-State.
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I've never been on the the pessimistic side of a coaching hire. I mean, I didn't think either the Wooly, or Snyder take 2 hires were particularly good, but I pretty quickly took the position that _FAN is adopting here.
I can't do that this time. I kind of wish I could, but I just can't.
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I get it and I get everything you've said since he was hired.
But he's still 0-0 at K-State.
How on earth is this relevant? Does the Big 10 have different rules or something that would make it harder for oscar to win?
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I think Lowery and Weber balance each other out. Weber brings more skill and Lowery brings more intensity.
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I think Lowery and Weber balance each other out. Weber brings more skill and Lowery brings more intensity.
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I think Lowery and Weber balance each other out. Weber brings more skill and Lowery brings more intensity.
so rough ridin' racist...
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I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.
Because he's not as valuable if he's out shooting 3's. Not to us and not to an NBA team. Did you watch Anthony Davis last night? That's what JO could be. Does anyone give a crap if Anthony Davis can shoot 3's?
If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.
That's what Jamar did. I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little. And JO might have taken that role next year.
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Jordan Henriquez – “Jordan has a lot of ability. He hit a couple threes yesterday. I didn’t know he had that in his bag of tricks. I asked him if he ever did any pick-and-pops, and he said, ‘No, they just had me driving to the hoop, but I can do that stuff.’ He made some shots, so that was positive.”
KSU fans. Warning: This is where the destruction begins. Illinois had no guys getting to the hoop the last 6 years under Weber. They passed the ball around the perimeter doing pick and pops for 30 seconds before someone would take a hail mary 3. The last game Illinois played, they did not shoot 1 free throw. Sadly, this was not the only time this happened under Bubbles.
I always thought it was because they didnt have the talent but here I see a player telling Bubbles he just gets to the hoop and Bubbles ask if he can do pick and pops! :chainsaw:
Brandon Paul averaged 5.4 FTA per game this year.
KSU's top player at getting to the line was Samuels at 4.7 FTA per game(McGruder was 3.7 FWIW).
Now it's pretty clear that as a team, KSU definitely had the advantage in this area last year(24.2 to 16.6).
I guess from a Weberite perspective, it's good to see that a physical talent like Paul was given the freedom to be aggressive and get to the line like that.
The low FTR for the guards getting the majority of the minutes(Richardson, Maniscalco, and Abrams) are alarmingly low though - none averaged more than 2 FTA per game.
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I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.
Because he's not as valuable if he's out shooting 3's. Not to us and not to an NBA team. Did you watch Anthony Davis last night? That's what JO could be. Does anyone give a crap if Anthony Davis can shoot 3's?
If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.
That's what Jamar did. I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little. And JO might have taken that role next year.
It makes the entire offense better. I mean if you can't see the value in a guy like Withey guarding JO at the top of the key on a secondary break I can't help you.
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one of the knocks on weber's teams was that his big men (after self's recruits were gone) were face up pussies. just sayin'.
Kind of amazing that could happen with bruisers like Mike Tisdale on their roster.*
*Kind of an antecdotal "pick your poison" on the recruiting trail.
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I get it and I get everything you've said since he was hired.
But he's still 0-0 at K-State.
How on earth is this relevant? Does the Big 10 have different rules or something that would make it harder for oscar to win?
I have major concerns over what happened to Weber this year, but I don't really think that is indicative of his coaching ability. This year was an isolated part of his career, not a good one by any means, for various reasons. JMHO.
Years 3-7 at Illinois I think really show what he is and can be as a coach. Some may say that's not good enough and that's fine. While I don't think he's proven he's going to build a title contender in a BCS league, I don't think that he'll bury K-State either.
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I don't understand why Frank never let JO take 3's. I actually like that Weber will let him.
Because he's not as valuable if he's out shooting 3's. Not to us and not to an NBA team. Did you watch Anthony Davis last night? That's what JO could be. Does anyone give a crap if Anthony Davis can shoot 3's?
If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.
That's what Jamar did. I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little. And JO might have taken that role next year.
It makes the entire offense better. I mean if you can't see the value in a guy like Withey guarding JO at the top of the key on a secondary break I can't help you.
Is TRob under the basket waiting for the rebound? No, I don't see a huge amount of value in that.
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Years 3-7 at Illinois I think really show what he is and can be as a coach. Some may say that's not good enough and that's fine. While I don't think he's proven he's going to build a title contender in a BCS league, I don't think that he'll bury K-State either.
If the 17-15 season was an isolated anomaly, what does that make the 16-19 season?
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Years 3-7 at Illinois I think really show what he is and can be as a coach. Some may say that's not good enough and that's fine. While I don't think he's proven he's going to build a title contender in a BCS league, I don't think that he'll bury K-State either.
If the 17-15 season was an isolated anomaly, what does that make the 16-19 season?
It was a bad season, but he didn't lose his team. They still played consistent defense, they rebounded, they got to the FT line. They just shot terribly. If you do those other things usually a solid program will recover, and it did. Granted they didn't win the Big 10, but the next three seasons were still a solid basketball team.
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I get it and I get everything you've said since he was hired.
But he's still 0-0 at K-State.
How on earth is this relevant? Does the Big 10 have different rules or something that would make it harder for oscar to win?
I have major concerns over what happened to Weber this year, but I don't really think that is indicative of his coaching ability. This year was an isolated part of his career, not a good one by any means, for various reasons. JMHO.
Years 3-7 at Illinois I think really show what he is and can be as a coach. Some may say that's not good enough and that's fine. While I don't think he's proven he's going to build a title contender in a BCS league, I don't think that he'll bury K-State either.
i'd rather have someone that has a chance to bury us if he also has a chance of greatness. i agree that weber has neither. which is sad.
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If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.
That's what Jamar did. I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little. And JO might have taken that role next year.
It makes the entire offense better. I mean if you can't see the value in a guy like Withey guarding JO at the top of the key on a secondary break I can't help you.
Does Jordan shooting 30% on 2/3 attempts per game force anyone to change how they're going to defend the 2ndary? Is 45% eFG (with virtually 0 chance of causing a foul) something we're shooting for early in a shot clock? Is working on improving this area of Jordan's game to potentially make it more valuable a productive use of his time?
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If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.
That's what Jamar did. I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little. And JO might have taken that role next year.
It makes the entire offense better. I mean if you can't see the value in a guy like Withey guarding JO at the top of the key on a secondary break I can't help you.
Does Jordan shooting 30% on 2/3 attempts per game force anyone to change how they're going to defend the 2ndary? Is 45% eFG (with virtually 0 chance of causing a foul) something we're shooting for early in a shot clock? Is working on improving this area of Jordan's game to potentially make it more valuable a productive use of his time?
In order: Yes, yes, yes
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If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.
That's what Jamar did. I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little. And JO might have taken that role next year.
It makes the entire offense better. I mean if you can't see the value in a guy like Withey guarding JO at the top of the key on a secondary break I can't help you.
Does Jordan shooting 30% on 2/3 attempts per game force anyone to change how they're going to defend the 2ndary? Is 45% eFG (with virtually 0 chance of causing a foul) something we're shooting for early in a shot clock? Is working on improving this area of Jordan's game to potentially make it more valuable a productive use of his time?
In order: Yes, yes, yes
My issue with the Jordan pick and popping is that Nice Guy oscar hasn't shown the ability to rein his players in if they fall in love with that crap. I do think his style will be great for this team, but it could turn south if the players can't/won't self-police and retain some of the culture that existed when they got to Kansas State.
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If he can take 2 or 3 a game and make 30% of them, it's very valuable.
That's what Jamar did. I don't think it made him much more valuable, but maybe a little. And JO might have taken that role next year.
It makes the entire offense better. I mean if you can't see the value in a guy like Withey guarding JO at the top of the key on a secondary break I can't help you.
Does Jordan shooting 30% on 2/3 attempts per game force anyone to change how they're going to defend the 2ndary? Is 45% eFG (with virtually 0 chance of causing a foul) something we're shooting for early in a shot clock? Is working on improving this area of Jordan's game to potentially make it more valuable a productive use of his time?
In order: Yes, yes, yes
My issue with the Jordan pick and popping is that Nice Guy oscar hasn't shown the ability to rein his players in if they fall in love with that crap. I do think his style will be great for this team, but it could turn south if the players can't/won't self-police and retain some of the culture that existed when they got to Kansas State.
For sure. I still think it's something Martin could have tried. (Not necessarily the pick and pop but just letting him take a couple threes.) Hopefully oscar will allow Angel to continue to throw alley oops to JO, also.
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And I'm more worried about newcomers than anything. I believe the returning players take genuine pride in playing hard and tough and won't go soft, at least next year.
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what a great weber story by kellis. weber has practiced with the players for one day and he's already talking about not having them drive to the basket as much and mentions that shooting is the most important thing that they are going to work on during the off season. :lol:
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I've seen you do this to yourself before. I was right there with you. Maybe not posting very often, but I was right there.
This time I think we need to have an intervention.
If/when Weber brings bad basketball I will call it like I see it. I did the same with Frank. I've grown since Wooly.
But at this point Weber hasn't coached a game and I don't hate him, so I'll move forward.
Yeah. The fact that CC actually engaged rather than just issue robotic "we're so excited Weber is great" talking points" chilled me out a bit. I mean, I still hate Currie and I'm still an emotional tinderbox right now, so he didn't convince me, but he did defuse me.
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What skills did will show off? Nunchuck skills?
lol
Thanks for that.
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Is it possible that Frank was taking notes from the Massa and not letting JO shoot 3's so he wouldn't go pro?
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he didn't convince me, but he did defuse me.
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