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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: scoops callahan on April 03, 2012, 06:47:56 PM
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Predictions? I'm honestly thinking top 10
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Predictions? I'm honestly thinking top 10
12-18
I'll guess 16th
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Predictions? I'm honestly thinking top 10
no.
Predictions? I'm honestly thinking top 10
12-18
I'll guess 16th
yes.
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21
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13th
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18th
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oscar won't ruin our ranking with early season franking of the rotation and pesky road games OOC. Man I hope we can buy out of the florida game.
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22
get angry
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15-20
should be close to top 10 by the OU game
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15-20
should be close to top 10 by the OU game
Gameday in Norman?!?
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I'm thinking somewhere between 1-25. I feel really bold saying that. I just have a great feeling!
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~15
Boom, there's your playoff.
Just keep winnin' baby.
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Should be 15 or lower. (Higher? I mean between 1 and 15.) I'm guessing 14.
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23
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Should be 15 or lower. (Higher? I mean between 1 and 15.) I'm guessing 14.
Higher is correct.
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22
get angry
Yeah. We are gonna get all angered up when the polls come out.
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They'll put us at 24, bank on it.
25 is where they always put the mid-major flavor of the day (Houston), 24 is for the BCS team nobody wants to rank but does so out of courtesy
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I'm thinking somewhere between 1-25. I feel really bold saying that. I just have a great feeling!
You really got to my funny bone there luke!!
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Finished top 10 and returning the white qb everyone likes to see bleed. If we are below 15, we have every right to hate ESPN and AP faces off.
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There is no way we are given the credit of Top 20. No respect etc. etc. Most preseason polls are based on rough ridin' recruiting. Texas will probably be #11
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Finished top 10 and returning the white qb everyone likes to see bleed. If we are below 15, we have every right to hate ESPN and AP faces off.
That's good. Get those expectations up. It will only make us angrier when we're in the 19-22 range.
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14 in coaches
12 in AP
Mark it down
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I don't know...we lost our Defensive Coordinator after the season. I mean Cosh was a mastermind. We'll be lucky to be top 25.
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Receiving Votes
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Finished top 10 and returning the white qb everyone likes to see bleed. If we are below 15, we have every right to hate ESPN and AP faces off.
We also got extremely lucky and should have been closer to 7-5 and got destroyed in the Cotton Bowl so we should be grateful just being ranked preseason.
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Finished top 10 and returning the white qb everyone likes to see bleed. If we are below 15, we have every right to hate ESPN and AP faces off.
We also got extremely lucky and should have been closer to 7-5 and got destroyed in the Cotton Bowl so we should be grateful just being ranked preseason.
Poor broken bastard
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Finished top 10 and returning the white qb everyone likes to see bleed. If we are below 15, we have every right to hate ESPN and AP faces off.
We also got extremely lucky and should have been closer to 7-5 and got destroyed in the Cotton Bowl so we should be grateful just being ranked preseason.
We didn't get destroyed in the Cotton Bowl, you liar.
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Finished top 10 and returning the white qb everyone likes to see bleed. If we are below 15, we have every right to hate ESPN and AP faces off.
We also got extremely lucky and should have been closer to 7-5 and got destroyed in the Cotton Bowl so we should be grateful just being ranked preseason.
We didn't get destroyed in the Cotton Bowl, you liar.
was in attendance can confirm we did NOT get destroyed
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14 in coaches
12 in AP
Mark it down
12 in coaches
14 in AP
*Coaches love OB, Assoc. Press still has some learning to do.
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Finished top 10 and returning the white qb everyone likes to see bleed. If we are below 15, we have every right to hate ESPN and AP faces off.
We also got extremely lucky and should have been closer to 7-5 and got destroyed in the Cotton Bowl so we should be grateful just being ranked preseason.
We didn't get destroyed in the Cotton Bowl, you liar.
was in attendance can confirm we did NOT get destroyed
Can confirm as well. However, it did feel like a slow dying death.
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We got destroyed. Physically destroyed. We lost to every team we were supposed to and won every tossup game. We won't be ranked at the end of next season and we probably shouldn't be ranked at the beginning.
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the white qb that the media loves is a big key for us, though. will probably bump us up 3-4 spots compared to our team with a thug kid that white people are afraid of.
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the white qb that the media loves is a big key for us, though. will probably bump us up 3-4 spots compared to our team with a thug kid that white people are afraid of.
That is why I took the time to post it.
I mean, every racist tuck has said that they would want their racist daughter to marry him. Also, he bleeds a lot but continues to play....they seem to really love that crap too.
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the white qb that the media loves is a big key for us, though. will probably bump us up 3-4 spots compared to our team with a thug kid that white people are afraid of.
That is why I took the time to post it.
I mean, every racist tuck has said that they would want their racist daughter to marry him. Also, he bleeds a lot but continues to play....they seem to really love that crap too.
yeah
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We got destroyed. Physically destroyed. We lost to every team we were supposed to and won every tossup game. We won't be ranked at the end of next season and we probably shouldn't be ranked at the beginning.
Slice it however you want. We won 10 games last season and return virtually everybody.
Liven up a little bit.
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Winnebago
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TOP 20, bank on it. :crossfingers:
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We got destroyed. Physically destroyed. We lost to every team we were supposed to and won every tossup game. We won't be ranked at the end of next season and we probably shouldn't be ranked at the beginning.
Slice it however you want. We won 10 games last season and return virtually everybody.
Liven up a little bit.
NO!
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you wanna know something funny about last year? we were outgained in total yardage on the season. outgained and it wasn't even close. 5130 to 4381.
you wanna know something else that i think is kind of funny? that high powered collin klein led offense from last year that we all know and love. it managed 600 yards less on the season than the carson coffman lead offense the year before.
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you wanna know something funny about last year? we were outgained in total yardage on the season. outgained and it wasn't even close. 5130 to 4381.
you wanna know something else that i think is kind of funny? that high powered collin klein led offense from last year that we all know and love. it managed 600 yards less on the season than the carson coffman lead offense the year before.
How does points per game compare?
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you wanna know something funny about last year? we were outgained in total yardage on the season. outgained and it wasn't even close. 5130 to 4381.
you wanna know something else that i think is kind of funny? that high powered collin klein led offense from last year that we all know and love. it managed 600 yards less on the season than the carson coffman lead offense the year before.
How much better was our TO margin than the year before?
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POINTS PER GAME
2010 ksu-33.6 opp-29.1
2011 ksu-31.8 opp-27.9
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Daris: calling the 2010 offense the "Carson Coffman Offense" and not the "DT Offense" is a little off-base. If you consider it, Klein did a great job of filling the gap left by one of the best RB's K-State has ever had.
On the other side of the ball, K-State's 2011 defense allowed about 700 fewer yards than the 2010 edition did.
Bottom line, K-State's 2010 offense was pretty good. There was minimal fall off in 2011. K-State's 2010 defense was abysmal, while it improved greatly last season.
We were a legitimately better team last year, despite losing Daniel Thomas.
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Daris: calling the 2010 offense the "Carson Coffman Offense" and not the "DT Offense" is a little off-base. If you consider it, Klein did a great job of filling the gap left by one of the best RB's K-State has ever had.
On the other side of the ball, K-State's 2011 defense allowed about 700 fewer yards than the 2010 edition did.
Bottom line, K-State's 2010 offense was pretty good. There was minimal fall off in 2011. K-State's 2010 defense was abysmal, while it improved greatly last season.
We were a legitimately better team last year, despite losing Daniel Thomas.
well idk about that. i mean statistics would say otherwise, but since when do things like stats matter? defense was better though, can't argue that. imagine if carson and the '10 team had the '11 defense. :horrorsurprise:
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i think at least 8 teams we play next year are mumped
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Finished top 10 and returning the white qb everyone likes to see bleed. If we are below 15, we have every right to hate ESPN and AP faces off.
We also got extremely lucky and should have been closer to 7-5 and got destroyed in the Cotton Bowl so we should be grateful just being ranked preseason.
If folks on GPC are 'tarded then you may be so, if only mildly.
I posted this earlier on the GPC board to those who go "meh, could have just as easily been 7-5...blah, blah luck blah"
Since people keep talking about "winning close" games as a worry from last year. I will reiterate once again...it isn't luck and the leadership ties into it. The 2011 team has more leadership than any KSU team I can recall...we'll have it again in 2012.
Many of these games came down to the wire. Well, how does leadership play into that? It's simple.
1) Character
2) Decision-making
3) Resolve
4) Effort
People with strong character do NOT get rattled by exterior things such as the crowd or the opponent. They remain on task in everything they do. They do not let internal influences (exhaustion, doubt, etc) steer them from their duties or tasks. What is it people say about character when it comes to just about anything? Character is more defined by when things are NOT going your way. Character reveals itself when you're tired (in basketball it is little things like attention to detail by not making silly turnovers) such as "grabbing grass" as a DL so you don't play too high. The little things truly make the difference and character is a part of it.
Decision-Making speaks for itself. PREPARATION aids with the decision-making because LEADERS take it upon themselves to prepare. It doesn't matter if we're talking about being in the type of physical shape or approaching the game mentally (film study, knowledge of your offense or defense)...preparation is not something risked by LEADERS.
Resolve? Leaders and winners never given in. You're only as good as your last play. If you weren't that good on your last play do you give in or strive to do better?
Effort. There are a lot of teams out there who do not play with the same passion or effort when the team they're tired or things are not going as well as they'd wished. Teams with strong leadership play to the whistle and the final gun.
I honestly can't stand any of the "yeah, but we were lucky to win some of those games"....no, we were not. EVERYTHING we did in those crunch times or at important stretches of the game or specific situations was built from leadership. Remember, it takes 11 guys on your side to make plays successfully. Sure, some teams have better players but that doesn't mean all 11 on the other side are better on every play, or they're better prepared on every play, or make better decisions on every play.
We won for a reason and it wasn't "luck".
We will win close games again next year although I tend to think we'll have more blowout victories than a year ago.
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This is the most excited I've been for a football season in my entire life. Even more so than '04.
Granted, in '04, I didn't have The Manhatter to get me so stoked.
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Finished top 10 and returning the white qb everyone likes to see bleed. If we are below 15, we have every right to hate ESPN and AP faces off.
We also got extremely lucky and should have been closer to 7-5 and got destroyed in the Cotton Bowl so we should be grateful just being ranked preseason.
If folks on GPC are 'tarded then you may be so, if only mildly.
I posted this earlier on the GPC board to those who go "meh, could have just as easily been 7-5...blah, blah luck blah"
Since people keep talking about "winning close" games as a worry from last year. I will reiterate once again...it isn't luck and the leadership ties into it. The 2011 team has more leadership than any KSU team I can recall...we'll have it again in 2012.
Many of these games came down to the wire. Well, how does leadership play into that? It's simple.
1) Character
2) Decision-making
3) Resolve
4) Effort
People with strong character do NOT get rattled by exterior things such as the crowd or the opponent. They remain on task in everything they do. They do not let internal influences (exhaustion, doubt, etc) steer them from their duties or tasks. What is it people say about character when it comes to just about anything? Character is more defined by when things are NOT going your way. Character reveals itself when you're tired (in basketball it is little things like attention to detail by not making silly turnovers) such as "grabbing grass" as a DL so you don't play too high. The little things truly make the difference and character is a part of it.
Decision-Making speaks for itself. PREPARATION aids with the decision-making because LEADERS take it upon themselves to prepare. It doesn't matter if we're talking about being in the type of physical shape or approaching the game mentally (film study, knowledge of your offense or defense)...preparation is not something risked by LEADERS.
Resolve? Leaders and winners never given in. You're only as good as your last play. If you weren't that good on your last play do you give in or strive to do better?
Effort. There are a lot of teams out there who do not play with the same passion or effort when the team they're tired or things are not going as well as they'd wished. Teams with strong leadership play to the whistle and the final gun.
I honestly can't stand any of the "yeah, but we were lucky to win some of those games"....no, we were not. EVERYTHING we did in those crunch times or at important stretches of the game or specific situations was built from leadership. Remember, it takes 11 guys on your side to make plays successfully. Sure, some teams have better players but that doesn't mean all 11 on the other side are better on every play, or they're better prepared on every play, or make better decisions on every play.
We won for a reason and it wasn't "luck".
We will win close games again next year although I tend to think we'll have more blowout victories than a year ago.
Devil's Advocate:
The flip side is this though, will you blame this team as having a weak character, poor decision-making, bad resolve, and lack of effort if they lose close games next year? No you won't. The intangables only matter when you want them to in order to fit a narrative. If you really hold onto the "no luck" policy you should be consistent, but no one ever is.
I think our team was good and lucky. It doesn't take anything away from last year to admit a lot of breaks went our way and we took advantage of them.
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Pretty much every team that wins ten games got lucky or pulled something amazing out of their ass during a few of those wins. I'll fully admit that Miami and Baylor were both games we could have certainly lost but we made plays to win those games, we weren't lucky.
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Pretty much every team that wins ten games got lucky or pulled something amazing out of their ass during a few of those wins. I'll fully admit that Miami and Baylor were both games we could have certainly lost but we made plays to win those games, we weren't lucky.
a&m? tech?
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Refresh my memory, what lucky plays won those games? (Seriously. I'm a bit pak'd and don't recall either game all that well. Probably cause I was pak' during those game.)
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Finished top 10 and returning the white qb everyone likes to see bleed. If we are below 15, we have every right to hate ESPN and AP faces off.
We also got extremely lucky and should have been closer to 7-5 and got destroyed in the Cotton Bowl so we should be grateful just being ranked preseason.
If folks on GPC are 'tarded then you may be so, if only mildly.
I posted this earlier on the GPC board to those who go "meh, could have just as easily been 7-5...blah, blah luck blah"
Since people keep talking about "winning close" games as a worry from last year. I will reiterate once again...it isn't luck and the leadership ties into it. The 2011 team has more leadership than any KSU team I can recall...we'll have it again in 2012.
Many of these games came down to the wire. Well, how does leadership play into that? It's simple.
1) Character
2) Decision-making
3) Resolve
4) Effort
People with strong character do NOT get rattled by exterior things such as the crowd or the opponent. They remain on task in everything they do. They do not let internal influences (exhaustion, doubt, etc) steer them from their duties or tasks. What is it people say about character when it comes to just about anything? Character is more defined by when things are NOT going your way. Character reveals itself when you're tired (in basketball it is little things like attention to detail by not making silly turnovers) such as "grabbing grass" as a DL so you don't play too high. The little things truly make the difference and character is a part of it.
Decision-Making speaks for itself. PREPARATION aids with the decision-making because LEADERS take it upon themselves to prepare. It doesn't matter if we're talking about being in the type of physical shape or approaching the game mentally (film study, knowledge of your offense or defense)...preparation is not something risked by LEADERS.
Resolve? Leaders and winners never given in. You're only as good as your last play. If you weren't that good on your last play do you give in or strive to do better?
Effort. There are a lot of teams out there who do not play with the same passion or effort when the team they're tired or things are not going as well as they'd wished. Teams with strong leadership play to the whistle and the final gun.
I honestly can't stand any of the "yeah, but we were lucky to win some of those games"....no, we were not. EVERYTHING we did in those crunch times or at important stretches of the game or specific situations was built from leadership. Remember, it takes 11 guys on your side to make plays successfully. Sure, some teams have better players but that doesn't mean all 11 on the other side are better on every play, or they're better prepared on every play, or make better decisions on every play.
We won for a reason and it wasn't "luck".
We will win close games again next year although I tend to think we'll have more blowout victories than a year ago.
Devil's Advocate:
The flip side is this though, will you blame this team as having a weak character, poor decision-making, bad resolve, and lack of effort if they lose close games next year? No you won't. The intangables only matter when you want them to in order to fit a narrative. If you really hold onto the "no luck" policy you should be consistent, but no one ever is.
I think our team was good and lucky. It doesn't take anything away from last year to admit a lot of breaks went our way and we took advantage of them.
I'll happily call out our team for having shitty character and making bad decisions when we lose. It fits my narrative.
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Refresh my memory, what lucky plays won those games? (Seriously. I'm a bit pak'd and don't recall either game all that well. Probably cause I was pak' during those game.)
I think any goal line stand requires a little bit of luck.
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Kinda hard to call 4 consecutive plays "luck."
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Kinda hard to call 4 consecutive plays "luck."
Didn't aTm drop a 2 point conversion or a TD or something? I can't remember.
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Kinda hard to call 4 consecutive plays "luck."
If we gave Miami the ball on the 2yd line and gave them 4 plays to get into the endzone, how many times out of 10 do you think we stop them?
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We were clutch, we made plays at the right time, took the lead at the end of games. Much like ku's tournament run.
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Well, we stopped them 4 consecutive plays, so at least 4/10.
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We didn't turn the ball over and have killer penalties and give up huge plays late in close games. The other teams did. Not luck. We are amazing.
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Kinda hard to call 4 consecutive plays "luck."
If we gave Miami the ball on the 2yd line and gave them 4 plays to get into the endzone, how many times out of 10 do you think we stop them?
THREE TIMES!
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Well, we stopped them 4 consecutive plays, so at least 4/10.
Very Bold statement there.
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Well, we stopped them 4 consecutive plays, so at least 4/10.
What I mean is, give them a first down and four chances to score. If that is considered "one time", then how many times out of ten can we hold them?
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The vast majority of PATs are not blocked. Does that make a blocked PAT lucky? How about a long PR or KR? Pretty rare, so they have to be lucky, right?
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I am not surprised most people didn't get my point. I didn't present it very well.
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We didn't have anything "lucky" happen to us last year. We rallied in two games against lucky teams. In the Baylor game RGIII hit like 4 redic amazing bombs, one on 4th down, for TD's. We should have beat them by 20. MilkManAggie we just toyed with.
Seems like we'd get up a couple scores and then run out the clock on the other team. Lots of games that were a lot closer than they really were, TTech, the U and MU come to mind.
OU and OSU are the lucky ones in my opinion. We could have easily beat OSU and if we don't break the OU RB's leg, they pass less and lose to us. Really, we were pretty unlucky not to go undefeated, should have been 12-0 last season. lotta negative peggys on this board.
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Preseason Rank - #12
4 teams we are way better than that will be ahead of us: VaTech, WVU, Fla State, Michigan
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The vast majority of PATs are not blocked. Does that make a blocked PAT lucky? How about a long PR or KR? Pretty rare, so they have to be lucky, right?
You should never ever attempt to play poker.
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Poker and football are clearly the same thing. :facepalm:
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The football board is so defensive. We got lucky, get over it. I'm glad we got lucky and I hope we get lucky again.
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The football board is so defensive. We got lucky, get over it. I'm glad we got lucky and I hope we get lucky again.
I wouldn't call it lucky, but call it refusing to lose. Our team just would not accept defeat! Yes, there were a few lucky plays in there like when Collin fumbled 5 times agains Miami and we lost none of them.
This team was just clutch.
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my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?
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my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?
Can someone pull up our RedZone defensive stats? I'm sure that would prove why we won as much as we did.
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my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?
Can someone pull up our RedZone defensive stats? I'm sure that would prove why we won as much as we did.
go for it
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if anything we should have won 11 games. Consider Ok St lucky that Klein didnt run it on in
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eff anyone that says last year was lucky.
Did we get some breaks? Yes. Do teams get breaks every year? Yes.
When KSU had to be on that wall, they were on that wall. There is nothing lucky about that. When given the opportunity to win, they did. I don't see how that is lucky. We weren't good enough to blow everyone out, I get that. But you don't play the style of offense we did and blow everyone out, which is exactly the logic behind people saying it was lucky, because scoring margin wasn't huge.
You don't have a rough ridin' lucky magical season for a whole season you idiots. Stop using Disney World logic to piss on the football team because you are upset about the BBall team.
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Well, we stopped them 4 consecutive plays, so at least 4/10.
What I mean is, give them a first down and four chances to score. If that is considered "one time", then how many times out of ten can we hold them?
Are the teams getting a rest in between series'? I mean that's alot of football. :D
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Poker and football are clearly the same thing. :facepalm:
You are a rough ridin' idiot.
Disney World logic:
Every team falls in the middle!
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It may be the Jack coursing through my veins, but I don't know whether I've been called an idiot or agreed with. :dunno:
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It may be the Jack coursing through my veins, but I don't know whether I've been called an idiot or agreed with. :dunno:
i do.
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It may be the Jack coursing through my veins, but I don't know whether I've been called an idiot or agreed with. :dunno:
i do.
Welp :cheers:
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Close games are largely non-existent for great teams. Alabama and LSU both had one regular season game decided by less than two touchdowns, and it was against each other. KSU was lucky last year and it was awesome.
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So in 2010 and 2009 we were unlucky?
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my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?
oh, the ole' we got outgained argument. they're called "empty yards" and Texas Tech had a ton of 'em last year. how did that work out for them. I'll give you another example of how we made up those yards (return game, kicking game, and penatlies), increased possessions (turnovers), snuffed opposition's or capitalized on our own scoring chances.
The numbers...
NCAA rank
18th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teampenalties&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teamyardspenalized&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamturnovermrgn&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
4th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamtop&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
19th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamredzone&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
10th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_team4down&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkickret&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
30th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkoreturndef&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
If you're getting extra possessions per game, not giving away yards due to penalties, have good field position to start every possession, score when you get in the redzone, and maintain control of the ball...you're going to win a lot of games.
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What you call luck, I call scheme.
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my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?
oh, the ole' we got outgained argument. they're called "empty yards" and Texas Tech had a ton of 'em last year. how did that work out for them. I'll give you another example of how we made up those yards (return game, kicking game, and penatlies), increased possessions (turnovers), snuffed opposition's or capitalized on our own scoring chances.
The numbers...
NCAA rank
18th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teampenalties&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teamyardspenalized&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamturnovermrgn&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
4th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamtop&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
19th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamredzone&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
10th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_team4down&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkickret&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
30th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkoreturndef&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
If you're getting extra possessions per game, not giving away yards due to penalties, have good field position to start every possession, score when you get in the redzone, and maintain control of the ball...you're going to win a lot of games.
gee, thanks the manhatter. all of the above never occured to me because i'm a complete dumbass. below is a list of the final 2012 AP top 20 poll. please let me know which teams below were also recipients of "empty yards" last year.
alabama- +3200 yds
lsu- +1300 yds
oklahoma st- +1200 yds
oregon- +1900 yds
arkansas- +900 yds
usc- +1000 yds
stanford- +1900 yds
boise st- +2100 yds
south carolina- +1300 yds
wisconsin- +1000 yds
michigan state- +1000 yds
michigan- +1000 yds
baylor- +800 yds
tcu- +1200 yds
kansas state- MINUS 700yds
oklahoma- +1800 yds
west virginia- +1600 yds
houston- +3000 yds
georgia- +1800 yds
southern miss- +1600 yds
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whats important is points per play
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So in 2010 and 2009 we were unlucky?
No, most losses weren't close.
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So in 2010 and 2009 we were unlucky?
No, most losses weren't close.
Yeah. The OP should have referred to 04 and 05. That's almost an unforgivable talking points error.
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We didn't have anything "lucky" happen to us last year. We rallied in two games against lucky teams. In the Baylor game RGIII hit like 4 redic amazing bombs, one on 4th down, for TD's. We should have beat them by 20. MilkManAggie we just toyed with.
Seems like we'd get up a couple scores and then run out the clock on the other team. Lots of games that were a lot closer than they really were, TTech, the U and MU come to mind.
OU and OSU are the lucky ones in my opinion. We could have easily beat OSU and if we don't break the OU RB's leg, they pass less and lose to us. Really, we were pretty unlucky not to go undefeated, should have been 12-0 last season. lotta negative peggys on this board.
Remember when CK fumbled into the endzone against Aggy? Guess not.
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hey daris- thanks for spending seven minutes putting that top twenty list together. that was neat.
no problem guys.
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eff anyone that says last year was lucky.
Did we get some breaks? Yes. Do teams get breaks every year? Yes.
When KSU had to be on that wall, they were on that wall. There is nothing lucky about that. When given the opportunity to win, they did. I don't see how that is lucky. We weren't good enough to blow everyone out, I get that. But you don't play the style of offense we did and blow everyone out, which is exactly the logic behind people saying it was lucky, because scoring margin wasn't huge.
You don't have a rough ridin' lucky magical season for a whole season you idiots. Stop using Disney World logic to piss on the football team because you are upset about the BBall team.
THIS
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The spread is a great offense. Gobbles up tons of yardage, but it also makes teams prone to more turnovers, i'd say. We controlled the ball with a low risk offense and played good, opportunistic defense.
It's a pretty good idea, you guys.
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Pretty sure that this thread proves that Klien blood is the football equiv of a rabbits foot key chain. Good thing we picked up a second one.
I just hope to god that baby Klien knows how to bleed like his bro. Otherwise things will get pretty awkward in pregames next yr.
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Thanks for everything you do, Rick.
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http://mgoblog.com/diaries/luckiest-teams-2011
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http://mgoblog.com/diaries/luckiest-teams-2011
Kind of dumb definition of luck, imo.
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http://mgoblog.com/diaries/luckiest-teams-2011
Kind of dumb definition of luck, imo.
Kind of a dumb way to debunk the article. <-fact
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Yeah, Rusty is right. If it's on the interwebs, you better believe it's true.
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Oklahoma was lucky we fumbled right before halftime, crushing our spirit. Without that we win easily.
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Just seems dumb. Whoever out performs this dudes formula is "lucky". Doesnt mean a damn thing.
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But, HE'S GOT A FORMULA!!
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http://mgoblog.com/diaries/luckiest-teams-2011
Jesus, Damn glad I read this now I know the only reason we lost to the Pigaggies is because they out lucked us, and pushed their way into the top 10 of the lucky....... :dubious:
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http://mgoblog.com/diaries/luckiest-teams-2011
This post had incredible results.
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Coach I like wins close games = determination, good character, heart
Coach I like loses close games = bad luck, tough break, just having a down year
Coach I don't like wins close games = lucky, used trick plays, fluke year
Coach I don't like loses close games = poor character, lack of determination, no heart, sign that program is doomed
Remeber these are same posters, who for the most part, say Les Miles is lucky and not a very good coach.
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Coach I like wins close games = determination, good character, heart
Coach I like loses close games = bad luck, tough break, just having a down year
Coach I don't like wins close games = lucky, used trick plays, fluke year
Coach I don't like loses close games = poor character, lack of determination, no heart, sign that program is doomed
Remeber these are same posters, who for the most part, say Les Miles is lucky and not a very good coach.
This could be graphically represented in a 2x2 matrix.
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Kinda wonder how awesome we'll be in NCAA 2012.
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I dont think we were lucky enough. Should have lucked our way to a W in that Oklahoma State game.
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Kinda wonder how awesome we'll be in NCAA 2012.
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You mean NCAA 2013. Love the series. Watched some vids for it. Seems like they're going to have a lot more customizable roster as far as heads/hair/faces. And also, the shading/light on the field will change throughout the whole game continuously, not from quarter to quarter like before.
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Kinda wonder how awesome we'll be in NCAA 12 NCAA 13.
Oh I know, hopefully I can play as kstate in online now
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SIAP but have the football KATZ and basketball QHATZ been preseason ranked in the same year?
TIA, i'll hang up and listen
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Kinda wonder how awesome we'll be in NCAA 12 NCAA 13.
Oh I know, hopefully I can play as kstate in online now
Oh man, so many QB draws and Options. Klein won't be a tooth pick and get injured on every other play like last years version either.
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SIAP but have the football KATZ and basketball QHATZ been preseason ranked in the same year?
TIA, i'll hang up and listen
2007?
Edit: Nope. Not in 2007.
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my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?
oh, the ole' we got outgained argument. they're called "empty yards" and Texas Tech had a ton of 'em last year. how did that work out for them. I'll give you another example of how we made up those yards (return game, kicking game, and penatlies), increased possessions (turnovers), snuffed opposition's or capitalized on our own scoring chances.
The numbers...
NCAA rank
18th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teampenalties&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teamyardspenalized&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamturnovermrgn&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
4th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamtop&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
19th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamredzone&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
10th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_team4down&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkickret&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
30th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkoreturndef&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
If you're getting extra possessions per game, not giving away yards due to penalties, have good field position to start every possession, score when you get in the redzone, and maintain control of the ball...you're going to win a lot of games.
gee, thanks the manhatter. all of the above never occured to me because i'm a complete dumbass. below is a list of the final 2012 AP top 20 poll. please let me know which teams below were also recipients of "empty yards" last year.
alabama- +3200 yds
lsu- +1300 yds
oklahoma st- +1200 yds
oregon- +1900 yds
arkansas- +900 yds
usc- +1000 yds
stanford- +1900 yds
boise st- +2100 yds
south carolina- +1300 yds
wisconsin- +1000 yds
michigan state- +1000 yds
michigan- +1000 yds
baylor- +800 yds
tcu- +1200 yds
kansas state- MINUS 700yds
oklahoma- +1800 yds
west virginia- +1600 yds
houston- +3000 yds
georgia- +1800 yds
southern miss- +1600 yds
You make a very good point and I fully acknowledge that MOST of the time if you have a decisive edge in total yards over your opponent then you will be the victor. But, there are many other factors that determine winning. As you stated, you are not a dumbass and are aware of those things. Since you are aware of those things I'll cite a few examples of "unlucky" teams.
7-6 Illinois +904
7-6 Florida +394
7-6 Western Michigan +304
7-6 Air Force +891
5-7 South Florida +923
3-9 Army +452
5-7 UCF +1,251
7-6 Texas A&M +1,457
8-5 Mizzou +1,242
7-6 Nevada +1,767
7-6 Utah State +1,184
4-8 La-Monroe +773
7-6 Cal +891
Certainly I did not provide nearly as good of examples as you did because, let's face it, much of the time if you get plenty more ball movement than your opponent you're going to have a solid record.
The NFL is a strong example of the point I am trying to make. Most games at the pro level are determined by turnovers. It isn't uncommon in the NFL to see teams get outgained by 150-200 yards and LOSE. It happens nearly every weekend. That would suggest it is less related to luck and more to do with details. Teams who turn it over lose ball games and they always have. Teams who gain far more turnovers, play well in the redzone on both sides of the ball, control the tempo, commit few penalties, and perform well in special teams....those teams do well.
It should be no secret to KSU fans why Snyder's teams have been successful over the years. We typically stop the run on defense, run the ball well, and have good special teams. Those three factors have been Snyder's key to success. It isn't "luck"...it's sound football. For years Leach's offenses at Texas Tech rolled through Big 12 defenses but he never even sniffed a Big 12 South title with the exception of '08. Nearly every time Leach's offenses faced Oklahoma or Texas they would accumulate masses of yardage but maybe 35-40% of those games would they result in the points that would match the yardage production. Why? Turnovers, redzone performance, etc.
Football really isn't that difficult to figure out. If you're starting Field position averages somewhere around your own 40 (either due to turnovers advantage, penalties, or special teams play) and your opponents' avg field position is their own 25 then over the course of a game and season you don't have to be NEARLY as successful moving the ball to score pts and win games. Well, we did that CONSISTENTLY last season and that is certainly not "luck".
Thank you for your participation in this matter.
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I'll never understand how some of you guys can type such long posts.
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my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?
oh, the ole' we got outgained argument. they're called "empty yards" and Texas Tech had a ton of 'em last year. how did that work out for them. I'll give you another example of how we made up those yards (return game, kicking game, and penatlies), increased possessions (turnovers), snuffed opposition's or capitalized on our own scoring chances.
The numbers...
NCAA rank
18th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teampenalties&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teamyardspenalized&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamturnovermrgn&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
4th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamtop&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
19th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamredzone&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
10th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_team4down&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkickret&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
30th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkoreturndef&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
If you're getting extra possessions per game, not giving away yards due to penalties, have good field position to start every possession, score when you get in the redzone, and maintain control of the ball...you're going to win a lot of games.
gee, thanks the manhatter. all of the above never occured to me because i'm a complete dumbass. below is a list of the final 2012 AP top 20 poll. please let me know which teams below were also recipients of "empty yards" last year.
alabama- +3200 yds
lsu- +1300 yds
oklahoma st- +1200 yds
oregon- +1900 yds
arkansas- +900 yds
usc- +1000 yds
stanford- +1900 yds
boise st- +2100 yds
south carolina- +1300 yds
wisconsin- +1000 yds
michigan state- +1000 yds
michigan- +1000 yds
baylor- +800 yds
tcu- +1200 yds
kansas state- MINUS 700yds
oklahoma- +1800 yds
west virginia- +1600 yds
houston- +3000 yds
georgia- +1800 yds
southern miss- +1600 yds
You make a very good point and I fully acknowledge that MOST of the time if you have a decisive edge in total yards over your opponent then you will be the victor. But, there are many other factors that determine winning. As you stated, you are not a dumbass and are aware of those things. Since you are aware of those things I'll cite a few examples of "unlucky" teams.
7-6 Illinois +904
7-6 Florida +394
7-6 Western Michigan +304
7-6 Air Force +891
5-7 South Florida +923
3-9 Army +452
5-7 UCF +1,251
7-6 Texas A&M +1,457
8-5 Mizzou +1,242
7-6 Nevada +1,767
7-6 Utah State +1,184
4-8 La-Monroe +773
7-6 Cal +891
Certainly I did not provide nearly as good of examples as you did because, let's face it, much of the time if you get plenty more ball movement than your opponent you're going to have a solid record.
The NFL is a strong example of the point I am trying to make. Most games at the pro level are determined by turnovers. It isn't uncommon in the NFL to see teams get outgained by 150-200 yards and LOSE. It happens nearly every weekend. That would suggest it is less related to luck and more to do with details. Teams who turn it over lose ball games and they always have. Teams who gain far more turnovers, play well in the redzone on both sides of the ball, control the tempo, commit few penalties, and perform well in special teams....those teams do well.
It should be no secret to KSU fans why Snyder's teams have been successful over the years. We typically stop the run on defense, run the ball well, and have good special teams. Those three factors have been Snyder's key to success. It isn't "luck"...it's sound football. For years Leach's offenses at Texas Tech rolled through Big 12 defenses but he never even sniffed a Big 12 South title with the exception of '08. Nearly every time Leach's offenses faced Oklahoma or Texas they would accumulate masses of yardage but maybe 35-40% of those games would they result in the points that would match the yardage production. Why? Turnovers, redzone performance, etc.
Football really isn't that difficult to figure out. If you're starting Field position averages somewhere around your own 40 (either due to turnovers advantage, penalties, or special teams play) and your opponents' avg field position is their own 25 then over the course of a game and season you don't have to be NEARLY as successful moving the ball to score pts and win games. Well, we did that CONSISTENTLY last season and that is certainly not "luck".
Thank you for your participation in this matter.
DNR
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I'll never understand how some of you guys can type such long posts.
Ya, seems exhausting.
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my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?
oh, the ole' we got outgained argument. they're called "empty yards" and Texas Tech had a ton of 'em last year. how did that work out for them. I'll give you another example of how we made up those yards (return game, kicking game, and penatlies), increased possessions (turnovers), snuffed opposition's or capitalized on our own scoring chances.
The numbers...
NCAA rank
18th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teampenalties&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teamyardspenalized&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamturnovermrgn&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
4th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamtop&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
19th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamredzone&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
10th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_team4down&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkickret&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
30th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkoreturndef&site=org&div=IA&dest=O
If you're getting extra possessions per game, not giving away yards due to penalties, have good field position to start every possession, score when you get in the redzone, and maintain control of the ball...you're going to win a lot of games.
gee, thanks the manhatter. all of the above never occured to me because i'm a complete dumbass. below is a list of the final 2012 AP top 20 poll. please let me know which teams below were also recipients of "empty yards" last year.
alabama- +3200 yds
lsu- +1300 yds
oklahoma st- +1200 yds
oregon- +1900 yds
arkansas- +900 yds
usc- +1000 yds
stanford- +1900 yds
boise st- +2100 yds
south carolina- +1300 yds
wisconsin- +1000 yds
michigan state- +1000 yds
michigan- +1000 yds
baylor- +800 yds
tcu- +1200 yds
kansas state- MINUS 700yds
oklahoma- +1800 yds
west virginia- +1600 yds
houston- +3000 yds
georgia- +1800 yds
southern miss- +1600 yds
You make a very good point and I fully acknowledge that MOST of the time if you have a decisive edge in total yards over your opponent then you will be the victor. But, there are many other factors that determine winning. As you stated, you are not a dumbass and are aware of those things. Since you are aware of those things I'll cite a few examples of "unlucky" teams.
7-6 Illinois +904
7-6 Florida +394
7-6 Western Michigan +304
7-6 Air Force +891
5-7 South Florida +923
3-9 Army +452
5-7 UCF +1,251
7-6 Texas A&M +1,457
8-5 Mizzou +1,242
7-6 Nevada +1,767
7-6 Utah State +1,184
4-8 La-Monroe +773
7-6 Cal +891
Certainly I did not provide nearly as good of examples as you did because, let's face it, much of the time if you get plenty more ball movement than your opponent you're going to have a solid record.
The NFL is a strong example of the point I am trying to make. Most games at the pro level are determined by turnovers. It isn't uncommon in the NFL to see teams get outgained by 150-200 yards and LOSE. It happens nearly every weekend. That would suggest it is less related to luck and more to do with details. Teams who turn it over lose ball games and they always have. Teams who gain far more turnovers, play well in the redzone on both sides of the ball, control the tempo, commit few penalties, and perform well in special teams....those teams do well.
It should be no secret to KSU fans why Snyder's teams have been successful over the years. We typically stop the run on defense, run the ball well, and have good special teams. Those three factors have been Snyder's key to success. It isn't "luck"...it's sound football. For years Leach's offenses at Texas Tech rolled through Big 12 defenses but he never even sniffed a Big 12 South title with the exception of '08. Nearly every time Leach's offenses faced Oklahoma or Texas they would accumulate masses of yardage but maybe 35-40% of those games would they result in the points that would match the yardage production. Why? Turnovers, redzone performance, etc.
Football really isn't that difficult to figure out. If you're starting Field position averages somewhere around your own 40 (either due to turnovers advantage, penalties, or special teams play) and your opponents' avg field position is their own 25 then over the course of a game and season you don't have to be NEARLY as successful moving the ball to score pts and win games. Well, we did that CONSISTENTLY last season and that is certainly not "luck".
Thank you for your participation in this matter.
DNR
This is easy, just quote a long post, add a few words, and presto, you look like you put a whole bunch of effort in it. Basically, most fans DNR.
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Thank you for your participation in this matter.
STOP BEING A JERK TO EVERYONE.
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Thank you for your participation in this matter.
STOP BEING A JERK TO EVERYONE.
easy big fella. I like all of these posters with which I have some debates. To me it's like arguing over sports with a friend. The light-hearted jabs are in fun.
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Thank you for your participation in this matter.
STOP BEING A JERK TO EVERYONE.
easy big fella. I like all of these posters with which I have some debates. To me it's like arguing over sports with a friend. The light-hearted jabs are in fun.
Yeah, I know.
EDIT: I guess.
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I think the yardage discrepancy mainly is the product of running our dinosaur offense against everyone else's high-powered offense. When your strategy is to hold onto the football and keep the game close, hoping your opponent makes more mistakes than you do, you shouldn't be surprised when you play in a lot of close games and consistently get outgained. Snyder had an excellent gameplan last year for a team that lacked in ability but was very strong in discipline. Run the clock, keep the very shallow defense fresh, don't turn the ball over, and capitalize on mistakes. The only game that really got away from us was OU, and as soon as we abandoned the run, we were terrible.
I agree with Daris that the Coffman/Thomas offense was much better than Klein/Hubert. Hopefully Klein is much better this year (I think he will be) or Sams starts by the end of the season. We need a passing threat if we are going to blow many teams out.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7871848/college-football-live-preseason-top-25
#13. :jerk:
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7871848/college-football-live-preseason-top-25
#13. :jerk:
13 is about where we should be. FSU at #7 is a joke, and I think West Virginia will struggle in the Big 12.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7871848/college-football-live-preseason-top-25
#13. :jerk:
13 is about where we should be. FSU at #7 is a joke, and I think West Virginia will struggle in the Big 12.
Yep, will take. And eff South Carolina at #8. I hope they puke blood this season.
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That's higher than where I thought they'd put us. Will take.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7871848/college-football-live-preseason-top-25
#13. :jerk:
ESPN's "College Football Live" counts down the top 20 preseason teams starting April 30. Join Kirk Herbstreit and our college football analysts each day at 3:30 p.m. ET as we focus on each team's strengths and weaknesses.
Guess this means the cats will get their preview next week. Feels good to be back on espn specials. Feals real good. :gocho:
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I just love a guy who will go out their and out scheme his opponent.
:ksu: :driving: :drink:
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Fun to go back and watch this now. Vid moved to YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mHCGnHJBYMs
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21
:gocho:
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21
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you wanna know something funny about last year? we were outgained in total yardage on the season. outgained and it wasn't even close. 5130 to 4381.
you wanna know something else that i think is kind of funny? that high powered collin klein led offense from last year that we all know and love. it managed 600 yards less on the season than the carson coffman lead offense the year before.
We got destroyed. Physically destroyed. We lost to every team we were supposed to and won every tossup game. We won't be ranked at the end of next season and we probably shouldn't be ranked at the beginning.
A couple of real gems in this thread
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Fun to go back and watch this now. Vid moved to YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mHCGnHJBYMs
Yes, I enjoyed that immensely. :thumbs:
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Fun to go back and watch this now. Vid moved to YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mHCGnHJBYMs
Yes, I enjoyed that immensely. :thumbs:
:billdance:
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released in february but i just stumbled upon it
42. Kansas State
5th in big 12 behind ou,ut,osu,baylor
https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/33244513/college-football-sp+-preseason-projections-2022 (https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/33244513/college-football-sp+-preseason-projections-2022)
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I bet we're RV at around 30th or so.
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Seems about right to start off, but if Martinez clicks and Klein proves to be as good as he was in the bowl game we have a good shot at making it to Dallas in December imo
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"This team may surprise the Big XII", Interesting podcast from Big XII Takeover:
https://youtu.be/ZE1PTV2VUXo