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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: michigancat on April 03, 2012, 01:26:30 PM
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oscar Weber missed the NCAA tournament 3 times in his last 5 seasons at Illinois.
In the 21 seasons before oscar Weber arrived, Illinois missed the NCAA tournament 4 times.
:ksu:
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How can this be true? Does Gene Keaty know this?
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How can this be true? Does Gene Keaty know this?
Currie apparently did not call the wikipedia offices when looking for something negative about oscar Weber.
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how many houses, other than Illinois, did he burn down with people in them?
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i tried to fight it off, but i can't.
i'm a oscar weber fan now and will also root for the cats. i'm a sucker for good people, and weber is a good person.
i hated frank martin and everything he stood for and screamed about. he is a villain, a bully, a complete douchebag and i just don't like him and never did. i hope he fails at south carolina and then is forced to write the definition of loyalty and integrity 10,000 times on a miami senior high blackboard until another school foolishly gives him a chance at redemption.
weber can coach. he really can. pathetically, i have several gmails dated between 2007 and '10 in which i called him one of the top 3 coaches in the big ten and one of the top 20 coaches in the country. i've watched him coach 100 games, and i love his passion and intensity and enthusiasm and - in his final days - his desperation.
for whatever reason, things went off the rails at illinois and he couldn't recover from it. i'm not quite sure what it is, exactly, but weber lost himself and his identity. his message got stale. players started tuning out. the fan base started turning on him. and then, over his final 10 games, his teams played some of the worst basketball i've ever seen - undisciplined, careless, horrible body language, and so on.
but the dude can coach. he's a great teacher. a decent recruiter. his players enjoy playing for him. he fosters a good playing atmosphere and locker room and he's the type of coach a fan base can rally around if they're willing.
i was disappointed when a media member asked weber, "what's the toughest question john currie asked you?" and weber responded, "he asked me, 'why k-state?'"
the toughest question should have been, "what went wrong, and how will you change it?"
and finally, "will it work?"
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oscar Weber missed the NCAA tournament 3 times in his last 5 seasons at Illinois.
In the 21 seasons before oscar Weber arrived, Illinois missed the NCAA tournament 4 times.
:ksu:
:sdeek:
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i tried to fight it off, but i can't.
i'm a oscar weber fan now and will also root for the cats. i'm a sucker for good people, and weber is a good person.
i hated frank martin and everything he stood for and screamed about. he is a villain, a bully, a complete douchebag and i just don't like him and never did. i hope he fails at south carolina and then is forced to write the definition of loyalty and integrity 10,000 times on a miami senior high blackboard until another school foolishly gives him a chance at redemption.
weber can coach. he really can. pathetically, i have several gmails dated between 2007 and '10 in which i called him one of the top 3 coaches in the big ten and one of the top 20 coaches in the country. i've watched him coach 100 games, and i love his passion and intensity and enthusiasm and - in his final days - his desperation.
for whatever reason, things went off the rails at illinois and he couldn't recover from it. i'm not quite sure what it is, exactly, but weber lost himself and his identity. his message got stale. players started tuning out. the fan base started turning on him. and then, over his final 10 games, his teams played some of the worst basketball i've ever seen - undisciplined, careless, horrible body language, and so on.
but the dude can coach. he's a great teacher. a decent recruiter. his players enjoy playing for him. he fosters a good playing atmosphere and locker room and he's the type of coach a fan base can rally around if they're willing.
i was disappointed when a media member asked weber, "what's the toughest question john currie asked you?" and weber responded, "he asked me, 'why k-state?'"
the toughest question should have been, "what went wrong, and how will you change it?"
and finally, "will it work?"
sorry, this is a facts thread, jrake. If you want to start a oscar Weber fantasy-land good vibes thread, please feel free.
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I mean I was utterly pissed when I found out the Hire was Weber. But watching michigancat meltdown on twitter and on the boards makes me feel like it was all worth it. So entertaining, keep up the good work, mighigancat.
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sorry, this is a facts thread, jrake. If you want to start a oscar Weber fantasy-land good vibes thread, please feel free.
those are all facts.
frank martin is a douchebag, a rotten person, and is disloyal and dishonest.
oscar weber is a good person, can coach, has failed, lost his team, but will rise again.
john currie asked softball questions during the interview.
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I hate him. My hand still hurts. :frown:
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sorry, this is a facts thread, jrake. If you want to start a oscar Weber fantasy-land good vibes thread, please feel free.
those are all facts.
frank martin is a douchebag, a rotten person, and is disloyal and dishonest.
oscar weber is a good person, can coach, has failed, lost his team, but will rise again.
john currie asked softball questions during the interview.
SOME of what you listed are facts. I bolded the facts about oscar Weber.
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i tried to fight it off, but i can't.
i'm a oscar weber fan now and will also root for the cats. i'm a sucker for good people, and weber is a good person.
i hated frank martin and everything he stood for and screamed about. he is a villain, a bully, a complete douchebag and i just don't like him and never did. i hope he fails at south carolina and then is forced to write the definition of loyalty and integrity 10,000 times on a miami senior high blackboard until another school foolishly gives him a chance at redemption.
weber can coach. he really can. pathetically, i have several gmails dated between 2007 and '10 in which i called him one of the top 3 coaches in the big ten and one of the top 20 coaches in the country. i've watched him coach 100 games, and i love his passion and intensity and enthusiasm and - in his final days - his desperation.
for whatever reason, things went off the rails at illinois and he couldn't recover from it. i'm not quite sure what it is, exactly, but weber lost himself and his identity. his message got stale. players started tuning out. the fan base started turning on him. and then, over his final 10 games, his teams played some of the worst basketball i've ever seen - undisciplined, careless, horrible body language, and so on.
but the dude can coach. he's a great teacher. a decent recruiter. his players enjoy playing for him. he fosters a good playing atmosphere and locker room and he's the type of coach a fan base can rally around if they're willing.
i was disappointed when a media member asked weber, "what's the toughest question john currie asked you?" and weber responded, "he asked me, 'why k-state?'"
the toughest question should have been, "what went wrong, and how will you change it?"
and finally, "will it work?"
Thanks rake. I've outlined my concerns for Weber, but I don't think he's terrible. I'm warming to him and I will certainly support him.
I agree that his biggest issues are fixing the problems he had at Illinois. IMHO the two main problems were:
1) Why/how did you lose last year's very talented team at Illinois? Specifically your defense, which is what you hang your hat on. It became terrible, giving up 1.07 points per possession over the final 14 games, which is pathetic by any standard. Especially when your team showed that they could play defense well through the first 18 games at .92 PPP.
2) What do you plan to change on offense? It became clear as your tenure at Illinois continued that your offense wasn't working. Gasaway explains those problems very well in this article (http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=864). Your offense certainly didn't compliment your defense, which was very good your entire time there besides those last 14 games. Even in the sub .500 season of 2008 your defense was solid at .90 PPP. But too often your teams simply couldn't score efficiently enough.
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i'm sad :frown:
i try not to be but i just can't shake it
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fact: his voice is weird and he seems uncomfortable talking in public
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fact: he brought his wife and crying kids to his firing press conference thing.
fact: that is a very weird thing to do.
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one option (the funnest) we have, is to to go absurdly over the top in our support for oscar. when i think about it, it sounds like a really, really good idea.
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Fact: Weber doesn't know who the eff ernie barrett is. :lol:
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fact: he mows his own yard, does his own shopping, walks his own dog
opinion: should just concentrate on recruiting/coaching and leave that stuff to his wife and poor people that do it for a living
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fact: he pulls off the "fuckface" look so effortlessly, by god you'd think he's the one that invented it
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Fact: oscar Weber is addicted to chewing tabacco.
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i tried to fight it off, but i can't.
i'm a oscar weber fan now and will also root for the cats. i'm a sucker for good people, and weber is a good person.
i hated frank martin and everything he stood for and screamed about. he is a villain, a bully, a complete douchebag and i just don't like him and never did. i hope he fails at south carolina and then is forced to write the definition of loyalty and integrity 10,000 times on a miami senior high blackboard until another school foolishly gives him a chance at redemption.
weber can coach. he really can. pathetically, i have several gmails dated between 2007 and '10 in which i called him one of the top 3 coaches in the big ten and one of the top 20 coaches in the country. i've watched him coach 100 games, and i love his passion and intensity and enthusiasm and - in his final days - his desperation.
for whatever reason, things went off the rails at illinois and he couldn't recover from it. i'm not quite sure what it is, exactly, but weber lost himself and his identity. his message got stale. players started tuning out. the fan base started turning on him. and then, over his final 10 games, his teams played some of the worst basketball i've ever seen - undisciplined, careless, horrible body language, and so on.
but the dude can coach. he's a great teacher. a decent recruiter. his players enjoy playing for him. he fosters a good playing atmosphere and locker room and he's the type of coach a fan base can rally around if they're willing.
i was disappointed when a media member asked weber, "what's the toughest question john currie asked you?" and weber responded, "he asked me, 'why k-state?'"
the toughest question should have been, "what went wrong, and how will you change it?"
and finally, "will it work?"
Thanks rake. I've outlined my concerns for Weber, but I don't think he's terrible. I'm warming to him and I will certainly support him.
I agree that his biggest issues are fixing the problems he had at Illinois. IMHO the two main problems were:
1) Why/how did you lose last year's very talented team at Illinois? Specifically your defense, which is what you hang your hat on. It became terrible, giving up 1.07 points per possession over the final 14 games, which is pathetic by any standard. Especially when your team showed that they could play defense well through the first 18 games at .92 PPP.
2) What do you plan to change on offense? It became clear as your tenure at Illinois continued that your offense wasn't working. Gasaway explains those problems very well in this article (http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=864). Your offense certainly didn't compliment your defense, which was very good your entire time there besides those last 14 games. Even in the sub .500 season of 2008 your defense was solid at .90 PPP. But too often your teams simply couldn't score efficiently enough.
Listen, I'll support the guy and hope he wins a bunch of games. Despite a disastrous PC, he seems like a genuinely good guy. I'm not going to stop being a K St fan and I will continue to follow the team.
But when you list his 2 biggest problems as defense and offense, it's not really getting me psyched about the BW era. I mean, come on, his issues at Illinois were they couldn't defend or score? I mean. Man. That's a depressing post.
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Fact: oscar Weber does not seem like a good guy.
Fact: oscar Weber's previous employer is paying him $3.9 million to not coach their team.
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one option (the funnest) we have, is to to go absurdly over the top in our support for oscar. when i think about it, it sounds like a really, really good idea.
this seems like a "laughing at him, not with him" approach. that might work to medicate me through the next few years.
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Fact: He was getting interest from the College of Charlestown when we hired him at $1.5 million.
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Fact: oscar Weber's previous employer is paying him $3.9 million to not coach their team.
Fact: He was getting interest from the College of Charlestown when we hired him at $1.5 million.
Yeah these posts are depressing me too.
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Fact: He was getting interest from the College of Charlestown when we hired him at $1.5 million.
Fact: Also SMU
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Fact: He lost the presser.............BADLY!
Question: How the eff do you lose a presser?
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Fact
oscar got fist mumped by the committee in 2009/10
Over 20 wins, beat 5 ranked opponents including Wisconsin twice, 10-8 in conference going 5/9 on the road.
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Fact: oscar Weber thinks an appropriate response to getting fired is taking everyone out for chicken nuggets
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oscar Weber had a 5-13 conference season and 6-12 conference season in his last 5 years. There was 1 season that was worse and zero as bad in the 28 years prior to oscar's arrival.
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Fact: Doug Gottlieb would kill oscar Weber in hand to hand combat
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oscar got fist mumped by the committee in 2009/10
Over 20 wins, beat 5 ranked opponents including Wisconsin twice, 10-8 in conference going 5/9 on the road.
Fact: Boring, non-compelling, whiny coaches often get left out of the tournament because people hate them.
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But when you list his 2 biggest problems as defense and offense, it's not really getting me psyched about the BW era. I mean, come on, his issues at Illinois were they couldn't defend or score? I mean. Man. That's a depressing post.
I'm not at all concerned about his defense. Even last year's team showed they could defend. I'm concerned that he lost that team and they quit on him, that's the only thing that can explain the end of the year. Throughout his coaching career and especially at Illinois his defense was consistently excellent. Every season at Illinois (even last year) his defense finished in the Top 50 nationally in efficiency. His teams will defend like crazy.
That said, his offense has to get much more efficient.
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Fact: Over the past 5 years our previous head coach has won 5 more NCAA games than oscar Weber
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has a very annoying voice.
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Fact: oscar Weber's previous employer is paying him $3.9 million to not coach their team.
Does this make oscar the highest paid head coach in college bball next year?
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Fact: oscar Weber's previous employer is paying him $3.9 million to not coach their team.
Does this make oscar the highest paid head coach in college bball next year?
Probly top 5
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I'm concerned that he lost that team and they quit on him, that's the only thing that can explain the end of the year.
that's the weird thing about it: even as i say his players quit on him, i'm not convinced that they did. they just lacked confidence and didn't fight through adversity late in the season, almost as if they always expected the worst.
against nebraska, they came out focused and determined. i mean, seriously determined. oscar coached as hard as i've ever seen him coach, and he was practically a sixth defender on the floor every possession. illinois went ahead 16-7, then led 24-16, then led just 24-23, then fell behind 25-24, then fell behind 27-24, then 30-24, then 33-26, then 36-26, then 38-26, then 40-26, then 42-26 and then, well ...
52-28.
yeah, they quit. :frown:
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Fact: oscar Weber turns blue when he is extra cold.
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He is not KOMO; I am komo
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Thanks rake, didn't know how it went down.
Fact: Nebrasketball went on a 36-4 run against him.
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Fact: oscar Weber acting like a sixth defender is both silly and irrelevant.
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Fact: oscar Weber felt up his cousin out in the garage during a family reunion when he was in 8th grade.
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He is not a cat
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Fact: oscar Weber leaves his toenail clippings all over the couch seat and the floor right in front of the couch.
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i hated frank martin and everything he stood for and screamed about. he is a villain, a bully, a complete douchebag and i just don't like him and never did. i hope he fails at south carolina and then is forced to write the definition of loyalty and integrity 10,000 times on a miami senior high blackboard until another school foolishly gives him a chance at redemption.
J Rake, can you tell some dirty laundry stories about Frank since no one else will?
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He is not a cat
I don't think you have enough evidence to say that he is not a cat.
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Fact: oscar Weber doesn't cover his sneezes, so it just like gets all over everybody.
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Someone needs to put these into a database and the create a website that sends out SMS messages a few times each day. You could sign people up using their cell numbers. Would be similar to how Cat Facts started on Reddit.
Fun prank-
http://blog.mad4flash.com/2012/01/funny-cat-facts-texting-prank/
Now real thing-
http://smscatfacts.com/
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Fact: oscar Weber is a 19 handicap.
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:combofan:
Fact: Weber doesn't know who the eff ernie barrett is. :lol:
It's Barnett dipshit, Ernie Barnett. Try to keep up with oscar Fuckin' Weber! :ksu:
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Fact: oscar Weber prefers tighty whiteys.
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Fact: He lost the presser.............BADLY!
Question: How the eff do you lose a presser?
Ask John Currie. He appears to be the local expert on losing pressers badly ....
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Fact: oscar Weber goes down to Home Depot and pays the migrant workers to go to his house and choke him in the shower.
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Miami (OH) 61, Illinois 58 :facepalm:
Tennessee St. 60, Illinois 58 :facepalm:
Penn State 68, Illinois 64
Penn State 52, Illinois 51
Penn State 38, Illinois 33 :facepalm:
Penn State 64, Illinois 63
Western Kentucky 76, Illinois 72
Utah 60, Illinois 58 :facepalm:
Bradley 72, Illinois 68 :facepalm:
Georgia 70, Illinois 67
Northwestern 73, Illinois 68 :facepalm:
UIC 57, Illinois 54 :facepalm:
Penn State 57, Illinois 55
Indiana 52, Illinois 49
Northwestern 71, Illinois 70 :facepalm:
Penn State 54, Illinois 52
Minnesota 77, Illinois 72
Northwestern 74, Illinois 70
Nebraska 80, Illinois 57
The facepalms indicate historically bad losses. At least we beat Illinois State this year to avoid what would have been the career triple-abortion to in-state mid-major opponents.
http://alioneye.com/2012/04/03/on-weber-and-k-state/ (http://alioneye.com/2012/04/03/on-weber-and-k-state/)
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Could have had Derrick Rose but told him to GTFO.
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Miami (OH) 61, Illinois 58 :facepalm:
Tennessee St. 60, Illinois 58 :facepalm:
Penn State 68, Illinois 64
Penn State 52, Illinois 51
Penn State 38, Illinois 33 :facepalm:
Penn State 64, Illinois 63
Western Kentucky 76, Illinois 72
Utah 60, Illinois 58 :facepalm:
Bradley 72, Illinois 68 :facepalm:
Georgia 70, Illinois 67
Northwestern 73, Illinois 68 :facepalm:
UIC 57, Illinois 54 :facepalm:
Penn State 57, Illinois 55
Indiana 52, Illinois 49
Northwestern 71, Illinois 70 :facepalm:
Penn State 54, Illinois 52
Minnesota 77, Illinois 72
Northwestern 74, Illinois 70
Nebraska 80, Illinois 57
The facepalms indicate historically bad losses. At least we beat Illinois State this year to avoid what would have been the career triple-abortion to in-state mid-major opponents.
http://alioneye.com/2012/04/03/on-weber-and-k-state/ (http://alioneye.com/2012/04/03/on-weber-and-k-state/)
:frown:
We paid this man millions of dollars for one tournament win in six years, and now K-State wants to pay him more?
That is not a question, that is a fact.
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zomg:
“I think if you go back it’s probably the best nine-year run in the history of the school or at least close.”
:sdeek:
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Penn State 38, Illinois 33 :facepalm:
Well, I know you were behind and all but 33 points isn't a bad half
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zomg:
“I think if you go back it’s probably the best nine-year run in the history of the school or at least close.”
:sdeek:
It's cool that he wanted to get into the spirit of this thread.
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zomg:
“I think if you go back it’s probably the best nine-year run in the history of the school or at least close.”
:sdeek:
It's cool that he wanted to get into the spirit of this thread.
Yeah, that's great.
here is the interview: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7770392
He says he thought he was a dark horse for the K-State job. WE EVEN SHOCKED HIM. :sdeek:
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Miami (OH) 61, Illinois 58 :facepalm:
Tennessee St. 60, Illinois 58 :facepalm:
Penn State 68, Illinois 64
Penn State 52, Illinois 51
Penn State 38, Illinois 33 :facepalm:
Penn State 64, Illinois 63
Western Kentucky 76, Illinois 72
Utah 60, Illinois 58 :facepalm:
Bradley 72, Illinois 68 :facepalm:
Georgia 70, Illinois 67
Northwestern 73, Illinois 68 :facepalm:
UIC 57, Illinois 54 :facepalm:
Penn State 57, Illinois 55
Indiana 52, Illinois 49
Northwestern 71, Illinois 70 :facepalm:
Penn State 54, Illinois 52
Minnesota 77, Illinois 72
Northwestern 74, Illinois 70
Nebraska 80, Illinois 57
The facepalms indicate historically bad losses. At least we beat Illinois State this year to avoid what would have been the career triple-abortion to in-state mid-major opponents.
http://alioneye.com/2012/04/03/on-weber-and-k-state/ (http://alioneye.com/2012/04/03/on-weber-and-k-state/)
even if you take out the bad conference losses (Frank knows all about those) the losses to Tennessee States and Miami(OH)s and UICs are very alarming. The Phog will be very mean after one of those :ohno:
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Miami (OH) 61, Illinois 58 :facepalm:
Tennessee St. 60, Illinois 58 :facepalm:
Penn State 68, Illinois 64
Penn State 52, Illinois 51
Penn State 38, Illinois 33 :facepalm:
Penn State 64, Illinois 63
Western Kentucky 76, Illinois 72
Utah 60, Illinois 58 :facepalm:
Bradley 72, Illinois 68 :facepalm:
Georgia 70, Illinois 67
Northwestern 73, Illinois 68 :facepalm:
UIC 57, Illinois 54 :facepalm:
Penn State 57, Illinois 55
Indiana 52, Illinois 49
Northwestern 71, Illinois 70 :facepalm:
Penn State 54, Illinois 52
Minnesota 77, Illinois 72
Northwestern 74, Illinois 70
Nebraska 80, Illinois 57
The facepalms indicate historically bad losses. At least we beat Illinois State this year to avoid what would have been the career triple-abortion to in-state mid-major opponents.
http://alioneye.com/2012/04/03/on-weber-and-k-state/ (http://alioneye.com/2012/04/03/on-weber-and-k-state/)
why is there a facepalm at northwestern 71 - illinois 70, but not a facepalm at northwestern 74 - illinois 70 ?
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Penn State 38, Illinois 33 :facepalm:
Well, I know you were behind and all but 33 points isn't a bad half
How the eff did a football score end up on that list of basketball scores? Oh wait........ :flush:
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he chose to wear orange jerseys at home against Wisconsin:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrfx.cstv.com%2Fphotos%2Fschools%2Fill%2Fgalleries%2Fm-baskbl-021804%2FDefense-lg.jpg&hash=5787c24fd2ceff9be90a1fa09259211202e84e50)
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he chose to wear orange jerseys at home against Wisconsin:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgrfx.cstv.com%2Fphotos%2Fschools%2Fill%2Fgalleries%2Fm-baskbl-021804%2FDefense-lg.jpg&hash=5787c24fd2ceff9be90a1fa09259211202e84e50)
I can't even tell WTF is going on there
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oh, man. he is going to get us some terrible unis.
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why is there a facepalm at northwestern 71 - illinois 70, but not a facepalm at northwestern 74 - illinois 70 ?
We actually lost to Northwestern enough that it was no longer noteworthy. :barf:
That UIC loss was, statistically, the single worst loss in the entire history of our program. That team went on to go 2-16 in the Horizon League and 7-24 overall. AND it happened at the United Center, a building we used to be so dominant in that other Big Ten coaches formed a bloc to move the Big Ten Tournament away from it because of our advantage there.
#bruceweberfacts
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sorry, this is a facts thread, jrake. If you want to start a oscar Weber fantasy-land good vibes thread, please feel free.
those are all facts.
frank martin is a douchebag, a rotten person, and is disloyal and dishonest.
oscar weber is a good person, can coach, has failed, lost his team, but will rise again.
john currie asked softball questions during the interview.
If you're stating "he will rise again" as fact during easter season, well this can only mean one thing, maybe he is our man, or ghost, whichever you prefer
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Fact: oscar Weber makes people so mad they go home and kick the dog.
Though I would never do this.
Cause I have no dog.
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Fact: oscar Weber not only likes the smell of his own farts, but of his dog's too.
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oh, man. he is going to get us some terrible unis.
This is a talking point that needs much more play. Someone start a thread....
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Fact: oscar weber and Kellis Have a very friendly relationship
Fact: oscar weber has decided to NOT attempt a snowcoat assistant staff
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Fact: If oscar Weber brings back the lavenders, I will say something nice about him once a month.
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zomg:
“I think if you go back it’s probably the best nine-year run in the history of the school or at least close.”
:sdeek:
It's cool that he wanted to get into the spirit of this thread.
Yeah, that's great.
here is the interview: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7770392
He says he thought he was a dark horse for the K-State job. WE EVEN SHOCKED HIM. :sdeek:
To be fair, the dark horse statement is just misleading on its face. He has a discolored penis, that's all he was talking about there.
On a more serious note, I love that oscar still managed to stroke himself off after being FIRED. Nevermind it isn't even true. "Yeah, I was the best thing that ever happened to Illinois basketball. They're just a buncha stupid dicks is all." You go oscar.
That is why nothing will change for oscar at KSU. In his eyes, he did a great job at Illinois. Two things KSU fans will likely learn very quickly with oscar as their coach are that: 1) whenever oscar Weber fails, it wasn't oscar Weber's fault and 2) when you really take the time to look at it, oscar Weber didn't actually fail.
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re. OP:
I hope you're right j rake. I'm more than willing to eat crow and take massive amounts of heckling if it means great things for K-State basketball. But I'm not sure where you're coming from when you say you all of a sudden think he's a good guy. The guy creeps me out... the way he talks, the way he looks around the room with his eyes only half open, his weird smile... He reminds my of any number of youth group pastors/leaders from my childhood that creeped me out then... and for good reason.
"Waiting and seeing" is a five year ordeal at the very least. That's what's disturbing. With our fan base, because so many people will buy in to this guy, it could very likely be a 7 or 8 year ordeal.
Anyway... here's to State Hoops! :cheers:
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Fact: Weber hates Wichita and will not play there.
http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2534 (http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2534)
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re. OP:
I hope you're right j rake. I'm more than willing to eat crow and take massive amounts of heckling if it means great things for K-State basketball. But I'm not sure where you're coming from when you say you all of a sudden think he's a good guy. The guy creeps me out... the way he talks, the way he looks around the room with his eyes only half open, his weird smile... He reminds my of any number of youth group pastors/leaders from my childhood that creeped me out then... and for good reason."Waiting and seeing" is a five year ordeal at the very least. That's what's disturbing. With our fan base, because so many people will buy in to this guy, it could very likely be a 7 or 8 year ordeal.
Anyway... here's to State Hoops! :cheers:
You were saying:
When asked about individual players, he said a few things stuck out.
Martavious Irving – “I like him. He’s got a good body and a nice jump shot.”
Shane Southwell – “He is one guy I noticed. He’s got a great body and has some basketball instincts.”
Thomas Gipson – “Man does he have a big body.”
Read more here: http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2534#storylink=cpy (http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2534#storylink=cpy)
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LOL
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We paid Todd Turner $8,000 a day plus expenses for oscar Weber.
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We paid Todd Turner $8,000 a day plus expenses for oscar Weber.
kind of doubt that.
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We paid Todd Turner $8,000 a day plus expenses for oscar Weber.
kind of doubt that.
You'd be wrong, then. Behold: http://www.kansas.com/2012/04/03/2282939/weber-must-start-from-scratch.html
Highlight: K-State paid $40,000 to consulting firm — For his help during the hiring process of oscar Weber, Kansas State agreed to pay Todd Turner and his consulting firm Collegiate Sports Associates $40,000 plus pre-approved expenses.
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We paid Todd Turner $8,000 a day plus expenses for oscar Weber.
kind of doubt that.
You'd be wrong, then. Behold: http://www.kansas.com/2012/04/03/2282939/weber-must-start-from-scratch.html
Highlight: K-State paid $40,000 to consulting firm — For his help during the hiring process of oscar Weber, Kansas State agreed to pay Todd Turner and his consulting firm Collegiate Sports Associates $40,000 plus pre-approved expenses.
Oh you have the duration of the contract? Great work scoops! You scooped us all!
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Oh, I suppose a source is only reliable if Kat Kid deems it so. Please, instruct everyone on the proper art of douchebaggery, so we're aware the what's reported is only accurate if your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) ass agrees. TIA
The facts were reported, and simple math can lead you to the answer, kid. Short of that, I can't help you.
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I guess it is possible that CSA was actually hired 26th. I also find it plausible the contract was post-dated considering Frank's family has said to anyone that will listen that he was never tendered an offer despite what Currie says. I mean I get that makes Frank looks good, but the alternative is believing John "what was that dollar figure I quoted again Brad?" Currie. Tough call. But I'm sure Kellis has every angle covered. If there is anything that man is, it is thorough.
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Weber is not a good person. This is the biggest falsehood out there (other than the fact people also call him a good coach)
When NIT Bubbles (AKA oscar Weber) repeatedly says he is the only coach to take Illinois to the NC game, it makes him look arrogant. A humble person would never say this. I gave him the benefit of the doubt the first time but I've heard him repeat it so it made it realize it is part of his talking points, not just a one-off thing that popped into his Bubble brain. What makes it worse is he did it with Self's players.
The question of whether he is arrogant or humble was finally answered for me for good when he said he had the best 9 year stretch of Illinois basketball. This is an arrogant statement and also a LIE. See page 5 of Illini thread for proof http://forums.illinihq.com/topic/23780-weber-on-espn-1000/page__st__80
P.S. Weber also had a kid almost die in a DUI wreck and one of his assistants tried to cover it up. It all goes to the top. Don't let Weber hoodwink the tucks!
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Weber is not a good person. This is the biggest falsehood out there (other than the fact people also call him a good coach)
When NIT Bubbles (AKA oscar Weber) repeatedly says he is the only coach to take Illinois to the NC game, it makes him look arrogant. A humble person would never say this. I gave him the benefit of the doubt the first time but I've heard him repeat it so it made it realize it is part of his talking points, not just a one-off thing that popped into his Bubble brain. What makes it worse is he did it with Self's players.
The question of whether he is arrogant or humble was finally answered for me for good when he said he had the best 9 year stretch of Illinois basketball. This is an arrogant statement and also a LIE. See page 5 of Illini thread for proof http://forums.illinihq.com/topic/23780-weber-on-espn-1000/page__st__80
P.S. Weber also had a kid almost die in a DUI wreck and one of his assistants tried to cover it up. It all goes to the top. Don't let Weber hoodwink the tucks!
I hate to say it, but if there's one thing that's true about K-Tucks, it's that they are very hoodwinkable.
:blindfold:
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Honestly, at this point the Illinois fan hate is making me like him more.
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I guess it is possible that CSA was actually hired 26th. I also find it plausible the contract was post-dated considering Frank's family has said to anyone that will listen that he was never tendered an offer despite what Currie says. I mean I get that makes Frank looks good, but the alternative is believing John "what was that dollar figure I quoted again Brad?" Currie. Tough call. But I'm sure Kellis has every angle covered. If there is anything that man is, it is thorough.
Why do you find hard to believe that our rube ass AD threw $50,000 of KSU's money for little or no work?
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Honestly, at this point the Illinois fan hate is making me like him more.
Dont think the hate for Weber is because we want to see you fail.
I enjoy college basketball and like watching good basketball.
I come in peace and want to give you guys a good understanding of what to expect. He was here for 9 years. He should have been gone after 4-5. I dont want to see another fan base go through what we did. The sooner he is gone, the better for you. Too many people at Illinois fell for the dog and pony show for far too long. It was a miserable experience.
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Honestly, at this point the Illinois fan hate is making me like him more.
Dont think the hate for Weber is because we want to see you fail.
I enjoy college basketball and like watching good basketball.
I come in peace and want to give you guys a good understanding of what to expect. He was here for 9 years. He should have been gone after 4-5. I dont want to see another fan base go through what we did. The sooner he is gone, the better for you. Too many people at Illinois fell for the dog and pony show for far too long. It was a miserable experience.
I understand. I've been through much worse, I can survive Weber.
You guys never kept a guy for 6 years that had one winning record and no postseason appearances.
I don't think Weber can do worse than that and I think fan expectations have risen enough that it won't happen again if/when Weber does fail here.
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If a BCS school hired Woolie wouldn't a few of you swing by their boards?
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Honestly, at this point the Illinois fan hate is making me like him more.
opposite for me. Maybe you need to watch his farewell press conference? That's what I plan to do tomorrow.
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Honestly, at this point the Illinois fan hate is making me like him more.
opposite for me. Maybe you need to watch his farewell press conference? That's what I plan to do tomorrow.
I've watched part of it. Have listened to every interview he's given locally. Even went through and read a bunch of stuff from the Chicago Tribune this year. I've done plenty of Weber homework.
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If a BCS school hired Woolie wouldn't a few of you swing by their boards?
Techdawgfan came by kstatefans to warn us about Wooly when he was hired
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Honestly, at this point the Illinois fan hate is making me like him more.
Dont think the hate for Weber is because we want to see you fail.
I enjoy college basketball and like watching good basketball.
I come in peace and want to give you guys a good understanding of what to expect. He was here for 9 years. He should have been gone after 4-5. I dont want to see another fan base go through what we did. The sooner he is gone, the better for you. Too many people at Illinois fell for the dog and pony show for far too long. It was a miserable experience.
I understand. I've been through much worse, I can survive Weber.
You guys never kept a guy for 6 years that had one winning record and no postseason appearances.
I don't think Weber can do worse than that and I think fan expectations have risen enough that it won't happen again if/when Weber does fail here.
I think the quick turn around on Weber opinion indicates otherwise. We'll see I guess.
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Fact: oscar Weber prefers to eat his cereal with water instead of milk.
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I don't think Weber can do worse than that and I think fan expectations have risen enough that it won't happen again if/when Weber does fail here.
I think the quick turn around on Weber opinion indicates otherwise. We'll see I guess.
it is very, very hard to root against a winning team from your school. even if your head knows you should, your heart will come up with a thousand ways to trick your head. if the players stay, weber will have 99% of the fanbase by the end of next year.
a wise hater should burn his ships now, like cortes, because in the end we will be no stronger than any other.
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Have you ever done a Google Images search on oscar Weber? :sdeek:
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yes, we discussed that a long time ago. DON'T AT WORK! DO AT HOME!
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yes, we discussed that a long time ago. DON'T AT WORK! DO AT HOME!
Oh my, should have listened.
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fact: oscar weber claims he did not know you could be ejected from a fiba game.
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fact: oscar weber claims he did not know you could be ejected from a fiba game.
Probably just means that whatever he said was even filthier than we would guess.
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Confirmed this weekend that oscar does in fact walk his own dogs
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sorry, this is a facts thread, jrake. If you want to start a oscar Weber fantasy-land good vibes thread, please feel free.
oscar weber is a good person, can coach, has failed, lost his team, but will rise again.
john currie asked softball questions during the interview.
Is he? Is he?
As a bitter Illini fan I would vehemently disagree that oscar Weber is a good person. I view him as a manipulative and dishonest coward who sold out his players time and time again to excuse his own failures. I got so tired of hearing him throw players under the bus ... it was such a relief to finally get rid of him, although even then he came after us in the press for not giving him a vote of confidence he did not deserve.
Not to mention, in a post-game presser this season he openly pined for a chance to coach opposing player Robbie Hummel instead of his own players, not mentioning Hummel was a U of I legacy who wanted to play for Weber except Weber reportedly told him he was not good enough to play in the Big Ten. Is it any surprise the team quit on him and we got thumped by Nebraska the next game?
http://www.illinoisloyalty.com/GoIllini/20120215_videos_bruce_weber_purdue_postgame_press_conference
oscar Weber can coach at a midmajor level. Deal with it, but for your own sake don't fool yourself into thinking oscar Weber is a good person. You don't know oscar Weber. You don't want to know oscar Weber. You didnt hire oscar Weber to be a good person. Just hold the man accountable for what you see on and off the court, and don't let him fool you into lowering your standards. It is not that hard to make the NCAAS at K State.
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well, as kstate fans, we are used to our basketball coach throwing players under the bus.
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It is not that hard to make the NCAAS at K State.
:love:
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Thanks rake. I've outlined my concerns for Weber, but I don't think he's terrible. I'm warming to him and I will certainly support him.
I agree that his biggest issues are fixing the problems he had at Illinois. IMHO the two main problems were:
1) Why/how did you lose last year's very talented team at Illinois? Specifically your defense, which is what you hang your hat on. It became terrible, giving up 1.07 points per possession over the final 14 games, which is pathetic by any standard. Especially when your team showed that they could play defense well through the first 18 games at .92 PPP.
2) What do you plan to change on offense? It became clear as your tenure at Illinois continued that your offense wasn't working. Gasaway explains those problems very well in this article (http://www.basketballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=864). Your offense certainly didn't compliment your defense, which was very good your entire time there besides those last 14 games. Even in the sub .500 season of 2008 your defense was solid at .90 PPP. But too often your teams simply couldn't score efficiently enough.
Those weren't his only problems at Illinois and a few of his problems are irreperibile. POS has been a dork all his life and is a disaster in front of a microphone. He should have time to reflect on what went wrong and possibly correct some issues, but he's just like nails on a chalkboard in front of the media.
Good Luck. He had my vote as worst coach in school history after 7 years. The next 2 made it a runaway and that was before he and his surrogates took shots at the AD on the way out.
Enjoy the chicken nuggets.
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why is there a facepalm at northwestern 71 - illinois 70, but not a facepalm at northwestern 74 - illinois 70 ?
The face plant should be by the last loss to NW, 74-70. That was the game where NW had only 6 healthy players. Despite this, and despite having beaten them on the road with a great performance by our bench, oscar Weber in his infinite wisdom voluntarily matched their six man rotation. And of course lost in doing so. Which begs the question, what kind of an idiot VOLUNTARILY uses a six man rotation?
The lesson: oscar Weber is maybe not the best at basketball strategy.
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man, i hope john groce is worth a crap. You guys might all kill yourself otherwise.
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man, i hope john groce is worth a crap. You guys might all kill yourself otherwise.
I hope john groce is worth a crap because i dont want to see him hired here as soon as they fire him.
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Factual questions asked by JC during interview/hiring of Weber:
1) What's your favorite color?
2) Tell me about a time you had to make a hard decision. How did you make that decision?
3) What's your favorite Pizza? Cheese or Pepperoni? I love Cheese!
4) How would you describe your coaching style?
5) What's more important, having fun or having fun? Hehe, oscar, easy one there!
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Factual questions asked by JC during interview/hiring of Weber:
1) What's your favorite color?
2) Tell me about a time you had to make a hard decision. How did you make that decision?
3) What's your favorite Pizza? Cheese or Pepperoni? I love Cheese!
4) How would you describe your coaching style?
5) What's more important, having fun or having fun? Hehe, oscar, easy one there!
1) Well I would have to say purple because that's Kansas St's main color! At Purdue it was their gold colpr, SIU was their maroon color, at Illinois it was orange and now it's Purple, but if I don't get this job then it would be whatever the main color is at Charleston Southern!!
2)The last question hahahah. How did I make it? I just figured purple is the main color here so I picked that!
3)ANy kind! It don't matter1 Hot dog pizza, sausage pizza, cheese pizza, tuna pizza, ice cream pizza, fried chicken pizza. I LOVE PIZZA
4)I don't cater to the fans. My game plan sticks the same no matter what's going on
5)Waitttt is this a trick? How about Bill Self sucks!!!
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Illini fan here.
Actually had a chance to meet Coach Weber a few times. He's a truly decent person, polite and attentive.
Weber was a fine coach who suffered through some recruiting woes.
Then he lost his last (probably most talented) team midway through the year.
Glad we got Groce. Weber had to go.
But I think you'll be just fine with him.
Fearless prediction: 9-year wins over/under: 210.
Two Elite Eights.
Winning record vs Kansas.
Losing record vs Texas Tech.
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Illini fan here.
Actually had a chance to meet Coach Weber a few times. He's a truly decent person, polite and attentive.
Weber was a fine coach who suffered through some recruiting woes.
Then he lost his last (probably most talented) team midway through the year.
Glad we got Groce. Weber had to go.
But I think you'll be just fine with him.
Fearless prediction: 9-year wins over/under: 210.
Two Elite Eights.
Winning record vs Kansas.
Losing record vs Texas Tech.
lol wut
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Illini fan here.
Actually had a chance to meet Coach Weber a few times. He's a truly decent person, polite and attentive.
Weber was a fine coach who suffered through some recruiting woes.
Then he lost his last (probably most talented) team midway through the year.
Glad we got Groce. Weber had to go.
But I think you'll be just fine with him.
Fearless prediction: 9-year wins over/under: 210.
Two Elite Eights.
Winning record vs Kansas.
Losing record vs Texas Tech.
Good post brad
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Illini fan here.
Actually had a chance to meet Coach Weber a few times. He's a truly decent person, polite and attentive.
Weber was a fine coach who suffered through some recruiting woes.
Then he lost his last (probably most talented) team midway through the year.
Glad we got Groce. Weber had to go.
But I think you'll be just fine with him.
Fearless prediction: 9-year wins over/under: 210.
Two Elite Eights.
Winning record vs Kansas.
Losing record vs Texas Tech.
i'm w/ you chi-town joe
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That read like a poem. A poem.
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Illini fan here.
Actually had a chance to meet Coach Weber a few times. He's a truly decent person, polite and attentive.
Weber was a fine coach who suffered through some recruiting woes.
Then he lost his last (probably most talented) team midway through the year.
Glad we got Groce. Weber had to go.
But I think you'll be just fine with him.
Fearless prediction: 9-year wins over/under: 210.
Two Elite Eights.
Winning record vs Kansas.
Losing record vs Texas Tech.
Solid 2nd post
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I guess the scariest part of that to me is imagining that oscar will have a 9 year record here :frown:
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I guess the scariest part of that to me is imagining that oscar will have a 9 year record here :frown:
not very scary with the other qualifiers
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Illini fan here.
Actually had a chance to meet Coach Weber a few times. He's a truly decent person, polite and attentive.
Weber was a fine coach who suffered through some recruiting woes.
Then he lost his last (probably most talented) team midway through the year.
Glad we got Groce. Weber had to go.
But I think you'll be just fine with him.
Fearless prediction: 9-year wins over/under: 210.
Two Elite Eights.
Winning record vs Kansas.
Losing record vs Texas Tech.
Wait, wut?
Bullshit
Bullshit
GTFO, mods, ban this loser.
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I think recruiting woes means recruiting good players and then making sure they suck.
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Jereme Richmond sticking around another year(and getting his crap together) probably would have helped oscar at Illinois.
D.J. Richardson being a decent player but not living up to his Top 50 ranking probably didn't help.
Finishing 2nd on Jon Scheyer didn't help.
Probably biggest "woe" was having Sampson and Indiana swipe Eric Gordon away. 1 and done but still a big time player who might have been able to alter the momentum of their program ala Beasley. Don't think Coach Chester likes him too much.
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Jereme Richmond sticking around another year(and getting his crap together) probably would have helped oscar at Illinois.
D.J. Richardson being a decent player but not living up to his Top 50 ranking probably didn't help.
Finishing 2nd on Jon Scheyer didn't help.
Probably biggest "woe" was having Sampson and Indiana swipe Eric Gordon away. 1 and done but still a big time player who might have been able to alter the momentum of their program ala Beasley. Don't think Coach Chester likes him too much.
Well, not only that stuff, but losing Jamar Smith (now a fringe NBA player), losing Quentin Watkins around the same time, having Demitri McCamey being just good enough (and a 3.5 year starter) to dissuade other PG prospects from coming. Our backcourt was a mess for a while.
His last team was the most talented he had recruited. The wheels fell off right after we knocked off Ohio State.
As to my comments re: Kansas and Texas Tech: oscar had a great record against MSU, the class of the big 10 during his tenure. His teams struggled more than they should have against Penn State.
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eff it, I'm totally behind (or in front of, whatever he wants) oscar from here on out.
:sdeek:
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And yeah, we're gonna need some photoshopping on aisle JT, stat.
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Well, not only that stuff, but losing Jamar Smith (now a fringe NBA player), losing Quentin Watkins around the same time, having Demitri McCamey being just good enough (and a 3.5 year starter) to dissuade other PG prospects from coming. Our backcourt was a mess for a while.
we have a pretty similar story here. we lost beasley and walker after just a year apiece, which put us off track from the start. then our top recruit, wally judge (now a one-footed jumper in new jersey) left, and we lost sutton, asprilla and russell at about the same time. finally, we had jacob pullen sitting in the backcourt for four years, so obviously pg recruiting was a no go. you know the rest of the story, our coach signed three straight top 10 classes, didn't make the tourney 3 out of his last 5 years and lost something Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) like 13 or 15 or whatever of his last 20 games with those recruits, so we fired him and hired your coach. poor devil never had a chance.
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Well, not only that stuff, but losing Jamar Smith (now a fringe NBA player), losing Quentin Watkins around the same time, having Demitri McCamey being just good enough (and a 3.5 year starter) to dissuade other PG prospects from coming. Our backcourt was a mess for a while.
we have a pretty similar story here. we lost beasley and walker after just a year apiece, which put us off track from the start. then our top recruit, wally judge (now a one-footed jumper in new jersey) left, and we lost sutton, asprilla and russell at about the same time. finally, we had jacob pullen sitting in the backcourt for four years, so obviously pg recruiting was a no go. you know the rest of the story,
our coach signed three straight top 10 classes, didn't make the tourney 3 out of his last 5 years and lost something Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) like 13 or 15 or whatever of his last 20 games with those recruits, so we fired him and hired your coach. poor devil never had a chance.
Yep, snake bitten. Faced some issues that just don't happen to every other coach every where. Poor old oscar.
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Well, not only that stuff, but losing Jamar Smith (now a fringe NBA player), losing Quentin Watkins around the same time, having Demitri McCamey being just good enough (and a 3.5 year starter) to dissuade other PG prospects from coming. Our backcourt was a mess for a while.
we have a pretty similar story here. we lost beasley and walker after just a year apiece, which put us off track from the start. then our top recruit, wally judge (now a one-footed jumper in new jersey) left, and we lost sutton, asprilla and russell at about the same time. finally, we had jacob pullen sitting in the backcourt for four years, so obviously pg recruiting was a no go. you know the rest of the story,
our coach signed three straight top 10 classes, didn't make the tourney 3 out of his last 5 years and lost something Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) like 13 or 15 or whatever of his last 20 games with those recruits, so we fired him and hired your coach. poor devil never had a chance.
Yep, snake bitten. Faced some issues that just don't happen to every other coach every where. Poor old oscar.
I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Weber's a pretty good coach who got stale at Illinois. Why go onto another board just to piss on their new hire?
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Well, not only that stuff, but losing Jamar Smith (now a fringe NBA player), losing Quentin Watkins around the same time, having Demitri McCamey being just good enough (and a 3.5 year starter) to dissuade other PG prospects from coming. Our backcourt was a mess for a while.
we have a pretty similar story here. we lost beasley and walker after just a year apiece, which put us off track from the start. then our top recruit, wally judge (now a one-footed jumper in new jersey) left, and we lost sutton, asprilla and russell at about the same time. finally, we had jacob pullen sitting in the backcourt for four years, so obviously pg recruiting was a no go. you know the rest of the story,
our coach signed three straight top 10 classes, didn't make the tourney 3 out of his last 5 years and lost something Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) like 13 or 15 or whatever of his last 20 games with those recruits, so we fired him and hired your coach. poor devil never had a chance.
Yep, snake bitten. Faced some issues that just don't happen to every other coach every where. Poor old oscar.
I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Weber's a pretty good coach who got stale at Illinois. Why go onto another board just to piss on their new hire?
I come here for the food challenge and fighting you threads. The opportunity to piss on oscar is just a bonus. ITK: He likes to be peed on. :ohno:
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I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Weber's a pretty good coach who got stale at Illinois. Why go onto another board just to piss on their new hire?
You say "got stale," I say "missed NITs and was the first coach to ever get fired for performance at Illinois." Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
#teamMrBread
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I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Weber's a pretty good coach who got stale at Illinois. Why go onto another board just to piss on their new hire?
You say "got stale," I say "missed NITs and was the first coach to ever get fired for performance at Illinois." Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
#teamMrBread
Lou was let go for performance.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Weber's a pretty good coach who got stale at Illinois. Why go onto another board just to piss on their new hire?
You say "got stale," I say "missed NITs and was the first coach to ever get fired for performance at Illinois." Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
#teamMrBread
Lou was let go for performance.
Henson retired in 1996
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I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Weber's a pretty good coach who got stale at Illinois. Why go onto another board just to piss on their new hire?
You say "got stale," I say "missed NITs and was the first coach to ever get fired for performance at Illinois." Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
#teamMrBread
Lou was let go for performance.
Henson retired in 1996
Come on 8manpick, oscar Joe (was also thinking Chicago oscar here; like a lukeing) is just trying to fellate you and KSU cats' hoops with his pro-brucery. He wants you on #teamBruceketmaw is all. For the record, #teamMrBread is a great team to be on for those that like to pee on stuff. :pissingyellowguy: Just don't cross the streams, amirite?
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Mr. Bread has way more EMAW than most kstate fans.
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Well, not only that stuff, but losing Jamar Smith (now a fringe NBA player), losing Quentin Watkins around the same time, having Demitri McCamey being just good enough (and a 3.5 year starter) to dissuade other PG prospects from coming. Our backcourt was a mess for a while.
we have a pretty similar story here. we lost beasley and walker after just a year apiece, which put us off track from the start. then our top recruit, wally judge (now a one-footed jumper in new jersey) left, and we lost sutton, asprilla and russell at about the same time. finally, we had jacob pullen sitting in the backcourt for four years, so obviously pg recruiting was a no go. you know the rest of the story, our coach signed three straight top 10 classes, didn't make the tourney 3 out of his last 5 years and lost something Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) like 13 or 15 or whatever of his last 20 games with those recruits, so we fired him and hired your coach. poor devil never had a chance.
:sdeek:
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Mr. Bread has way more EMAW than most kstate fans.
:ksu: Also, and this is mostly for 'sclams, can it successfully be burnt down if it's continuously being pissed on? :runaway: