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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: sys on February 26, 2012, 02:25:37 PM
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:bait: or :lick:
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from street clothes to expected?
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Clear for takeoff.
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Any Diaz updates? Is there an media source with injury info or anything of that nature?
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Any Diaz updates? Is there an media source with injury info or anything of that nature?
Nobody is answering their phone.
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Any Diaz updates? Is there an media source with injury info or anything of that nature?
I think he's just the victim of JO an jamar playing better and TG putting in efficient minutes. Unless he can play the 2 better than sprads (maybe)
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Any Diaz updates? Is there an media source with injury info or anything of that nature?
I think he's just the victim of JO an jamar playing better and TG putting in efficient minutes. Unless he can play the 2 better than sprads (maybe)
That's what I heard too. Just appears to be a victim on JO playing really well again.
Would love to have Jeremy back to eat into Will's minutes.
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from street clothes to expected?
What should you wear when not cleared, a dashiki maybe? One day you are not cleared the next you are, my goodness Zacker, is there anything you don't find nefarious?
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Nino Williams???
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I hope he plays, but I'm not expecting more than 10-12 good minutes. The guy hasn't played in a month.
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I hope he plays, but I'm not expecting more than 10-12 good minutes. The guy hasn't played in a month.
That would be huge IMO.
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10 bad minutes is more likely, but that'd still be encouraging.
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10 bad minutes is more likely, but that'd still be encouraging.
people won't know what to think if that happens.
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I dont think he will play at all. In the 3 conference games before OU he played a whole 11 minutes and two of those games were blowouts.
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I dont think he will play at all. In the 3 conference games before OU he played a whole 11 minutes and two of those games were blowouts.
my thought process is that even martin has to be getting tired of seeing spradling miss and refuse to take shots. i would think that he would have had more faith in spradling just being in a slump ten games ago.
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10 bad minutes is more likely, but that'd still be encouraging.
10 bad minutes from Jeremy isn't much different than 10 more minutes for will
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I dont think he will play at all. In the 3 conference games before OU he played a whole 11 minutes and two of those games were blowouts.
my thought process is that even martin has to be getting tired of seeing spradling miss and refuse to take shots. i would think that he would have had more faith in spradling just being in a slump ten games ago.
True, but if Frank did actually sit Will for a spell, he'd still treat Will like his binky and go to him whenever someone makes a mistake and he has the inability to let them play through.
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I dont think he will play at all. In the 3 conference games before OU he played a whole 11 minutes and two of those games were blowouts.
my thought process is that even martin has to be getting tired of seeing spradling miss and refuse to take shots. i would think that he would have had more faith in spradling just being in a slump ten games ago.
True, but if Frank did actually sit Will for a spell, he'd still treat Will like his binky and go to him whenever someone makes a mistake and he has the inability to let them play through.
That's my biggest 12-13 season fear at this point.
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Dear Frank,
Don't Frank Jones. Frank Omari or the white walk on guy.
-CF3
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Franking the walk-on won't open a scholly
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Two must be Franked to make room for Chetkavious (sp) and MysSpringRecruit.
Omari and Watson are probably the leading horses in this race thus far.
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Franking the walk-on won't open a scholly
Agreed. Omari it is.
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I'm going to miss Omari. What a big lug.
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:embarrassed:
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I'm going to miss Omari. What a big lug.
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:embarrassed:
I think we miss nearly everyone that's been Franked.
I still miss Myles terribly.
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Guys....what if its Shane? :bawl:
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Guys....what if its Shane? :bawl:
why would you think that? He has been getting the most PT out of any possible candidates.
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Guys....what if its Shane? :bawl:
We did already give someone from his HS a Jr and Sr year here...
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Guys....what if its Shane? :bawl:
why would you think that? He has been getting the most PT out of any possible candidates.
Has playing time been a good measure of getting franked?
Dom, Spri, Wally, and Nick were all given significant minutes at one point or another.
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Guys....what if its Shane? :bawl:
why would you think that? He has been getting the most PT out of any possible candidates.
Has playing time been a good measure of getting franked?
Dom, Spri, Wally, and Nick were all given significant minutes at one point or another.
I just felt like all of those players saw wide swings in PT, while Shane has just been Shane. Dom, admittedly, doesn't fit my theory, he did have consistent amount of PT.
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Maybe Dom's was legit and he wasn't franked :dunno:
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Guys....what if its Shane? :bawl:
southie is the most likely candidate to transfer (not counting watson because i don't know what the eff is going on with him). congrats on being smart, swiftcat.
maybe lawrence is equally likely, that's kind of a hard read too. but southie is way more likely than jones.
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Guys....what if its Shane? :bawl:
southie is the most likely candidate to transfer (not counting watson because i don't know what the eff is going on with him). congrats on being smart, swiftcat.
maybe lawrence is equally likely, that's kind of a hard read too. but southie is way more likely than jones.
Care to expand on South over Jones for transfer? I would have guessed that South's prior performances and his ability to average out minutes puts him more in a safe spot than Jones. I understand that Jones has an injury issue voiding a significant sample of his career, but he has had less consistent PT which I think shows his increased likelihood to be Franked.
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Franking the walk-on won't open a scholly
who is it that you think is a walk on?
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Franking the walk-on won't open a scholly
who is it that you think is a walk on?
He's probably talking about the white walk on guy.
Dear Frank,
Don't Frank Jones. Frank Omari or the white walk on guy.
-CF3
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Clear for takeoff.
post made me smile
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Franking the walk-on won't open a scholly
who is it that you think is a walk on?
He's probably talking about the white walk on guy.
Dear Frank,
Don't Frank Jones. Frank Omari or the white walk on guy.
-CF3
Confirmed.
Sys, I'm guessing your reasoning behind Shane being the likeliest to transfer is that he is most likely to be able to transfer and then get to play a lot immediately? (immediately after becoming eligible)
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Guys....what if its Shane? :bawl:
southie is the most likely candidate to transfer (not counting watson because i don't know what the eff is going on with him). congrats on being smart, swiftcat.
maybe lawrence is equally likely, that's kind of a hard read too. but southie is way more likely than jones.
I think sprads will transfer to Washburn or similar school.
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Franking the walk-on won't open a scholly
who is it that you think is a walk on?
He's probably talking about the white walk on guy.
Dear Frank,
Don't Frank Jones. Frank Omari or the white walk on guy.
-CF3
Confirmed.
Sys, I'm guessing your reasoning behind Shane being the likeliest to transfer is that he is most likely to be able to transfer and then get to play a lot immediately? (immediately after becoming eligible)
Shane wouldn't be eligible to play immediately, if he transfers he'll have to sit out a year.
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Guys....what if its Shane? :bawl:
southie is the most likely candidate to transfer (not counting watson because i don't know what the eff is going on with him). congrats on being smart, swiftcat.
maybe lawrence is equally likely, that's kind of a hard read too. but southie is way more likely than jones.
I think sprads will transfer to Washburn or similar school.
He could, but I think he could go to the Valley and do alright. Missouri State, Northern Iowa, etc.
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10 bad minutes is more likely, but that'd still be encouraging.
people won't know what to think if that happens.
#teamshane would swell with newcomers.
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Mixed emotions about Sprads transferring. First of all, it won't happen, but if it did it would be a huge shot against frank. Frank hasn't put so much talk, trust, faith, and responsibility into one kid other than Jake. Also, he is horrible, but can you imagine trying to fill 30 min with what we have now and one KCCC kid? Horrible thought.
Best case scenario is that we Frank Omari to get a competent guard, Jet turns in to something that can pass as a 15+ min per game shooter, and Angel keeps developing at the rate he has.
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I'm definitely not high on sprads transferring. I am #teamspradsplaybetter
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I'm definitely not high on sprads transferring. I am #teamspradsplaybetter
You should put a meter in his locker with a control panel in your office.
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I'm definitely not high on sprads transferring. I am #teamspradsplaybetter
How about Sprads not being a starter and coming off of the bench for the remainder of his career.
I'm open to negotiation.
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Nope, only playing better is acceptable.
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I'm definitely not high on sprads transferring. I am #teamspradsplaybetter
How about Sprads not being a starter and coming off of the bench for the remainder of his career.
I'm open to negotiation.
If Cartier can do it...
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I'm definitely not high on sprads transferring. I am #teamspradsplaybetter
I would def prefer that team, but I am also a realist, a realist that can recognize when someone is not able to play and process at a certain speed of competition.
What is bad is that he can't. What is worse is that a lot of national ppl think our confy is down this year. If will is doing willthings now, what happens when TX grows up, Huggs hits town, and KU gets reloaded?
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I'm definitely not high on sprads transferring. I am #teamspradsplaybetter
I would def prefer that team, but I am also a realist, a realist that can recognize when someone is not able to play and process at a certain speed of competition.
What is bad is that he can't. What is worse is that a lot of national ppl think our confy is down this year. If will is doing willthings now, what happens when TX grows up, Huggs hits town, and KU gets reloaded?
Sprads will be an upperclassmen and hopefully will be more willing to take wide open shots and not miss them. I don't think his whole career is a lost cause. He just is getting too many minutes this year.
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I'm definitely not high on sprads transferring. I am #teamspradsplaybetter
I'm the same. Sprads is better than he's playing, he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games. He's had stretches of being a good shooter, but clearly the combination of Big 12 defenses figuring him out and IMHO confidence issues shooting the ball have taken their toll. Still, he is getting a high number of open looks and he can't hit them. He is passing up shots. All while Frank has made his offensive role much more similar to last year by playing Angel at PG.
Realistically I don't think he is going anywhere. The only solution is for him to get better, but I think Frank needs to help by scaling back his role and his minutes until he can get some confidence back.
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Sprads is fine at this level if he hits shots (as a starter or off the bench.) His free throw shooting is still good and he shot well last year, so I'd expect his shooting to be better next year by quite a bit.
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Sprads is fine at this level if he hits shots (as a starter or off the bench.) His free throw shooting is still good and he shot well last year, so I'd expect his shooting to be better next year by quite a bit.
I agree. Will isn't the problem, his role and minutes are.
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he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games.
You're not arguing that that is good enough, are you?
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I'm definitely not high on sprads transferring. I am #teamspradsplaybetter
I'm the same. Sprads is better than he's playing, he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games. He's had stretches of being a good shooter, but clearly the combination of Big 12 defenses figuring him out and IMHO confidence issues shooting the ball have taken their toll. Still, he is getting a high number of open looks and he can't hit them. He is passing up shots. All while Frank has made his offensive role much more similar to last year by playing Angel at PG.
Realistically I don't think he is going anywhere. The only solution is for him to get better, but I think Frank needs to help by scaling back his role and his minutes until he can get some confidence back.
I said what I did because I think sprads will want to leave. Not that Frank should Frank him.
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he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games.
You're not arguing that that is good enough, are you?
No, but it's not bad for a freshman on 60 attempts.
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I'm definitely not high on sprads transferring. I am #teamspradsplaybetter
I'm the same. Sprads is better than he's playing, he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games. He's had stretches of being a good shooter, but clearly the combination of Big 12 defenses figuring him out and IMHO confidence issues shooting the ball have taken their toll. Still, he is getting a high number of open looks and he can't hit them. He is passing up shots. All while Frank has made his offensive role much more similar to last year by playing Angel at PG.
Realistically I don't think he is going anywhere. The only solution is for him to get better, but I think Frank needs to help by scaling back his role and his minutes until he can get some confidence back.
He plays ten minutes more a game this year (in conference play), and his eFG goes down 14%.
I think if he plays high teens/low 20's in a game, it limits his harm defensively, and his role becomes more focused.
But the kid looks gassed out there playing 30 minutes trying to keep up with better athletes. If they scale him back, he may do better.
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He plays ten minutes more a game this year (in conference play), and his eFG goes down 14%.
I think if he plays high teens/low 20's in a game, it limits his harm defensively, and his role becomes more focused.
But the kid looks gassed out there playing 30 minutes trying to keep up with better athletes. If they scale him back, he may do better.
Its pretty clear that his increased role and increased minutes have taken a toll on his production this season. To me this is even more pronounced because he had a good OOC this year and he played well against the better teams on the OOC schedule. IMHO its not like he hasn't proven that he can play at this level, but he has clearly shown he can't play consistently well in the role that he currently has. You just can't look at his numbers in Big 12 play and see it any other way.
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Sys, I'm guessing your reasoning behind Shane being the likeliest to transfer is that he is most likely to be able to transfer and then get to play a lot immediately? (immediately after becoming eligible)
Shane wouldn't be eligible to play immediately, if he transfers he'll have to sit out a year.
I understand that. Just meant that, out of the guys who might transfer, Shane probably would benefit most in terms of playing time for his two remaining years of eligibility.
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he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games.
You're not arguing that that is good enough, are you?
No, but it's not bad for a freshman on 60 attempts.
Not bad for a frosh guard who can do other things, but Spradling is nothing but a spot shooter. 33% should be his floor, even as a frosh.
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he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games.
You're not arguing that that is good enough, are you?
No, but it's not bad for a freshman on 60 attempts.
Not bad for a frosh guard who can do other things, but Spradling is nothing but a spot shooter. 33% should be his floor, even as a frosh.
But he is expected to do other things. Its not like Frank plays him like Heslip at Baylor or something. In fact, its clear that Frank isn't ever going to have some sort of shooting specialist, so its unreasonable to expect it. I'm not saying Will does all those other things especially well, but he is expected to do them and Frank trusts him. We can all get as ticked as we want at how Frank uses him, but Frank has shown that he trusts Will and will continue to have expectations of him. I'm just hopeful that Frank will see the problems he's having and scale it back, but I'm never expecting Frank to change his role a lot, (especially to be just to be a spot shooter) because Frank has shown he simply doesn't do that.
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In fact, its clear that Frank isn't ever going to have some sort of shooting specialist, so its unreasonable to expect it.
True, but he does screw with his lineup a lot, and if he feels like he's got a decided advantage by having a 'shooter' on the floor, or he needs to protect a lead with free throw shooting, he'll sub him in.
He's not going to draw up a picket fence play for him, probably, but if Tay is on the floor spelling Angel, and Rodney is out with foul trouble, someone's gotta put points on the board. If Will is hitting shots, it makes sense to have him in as long as you have someone like Shane in there as well to potentially handle the ball.
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he was a 33% 3pt shooter last year in conference games.
You're not arguing that that is good enough, are you?
No, but it's not bad for a freshman on 60 attempts.
Not bad for a frosh guard who can do other things, but Spradling is nothing but a spot shooter. 33% should be his floor, even as a frosh.
But he is expected to do other things. Its not like Frank plays him like Heslip at Baylor or something. In fact, its clear that Frank isn't ever going to have some sort of shooting specialist, so its unreasonable to expect it. I'm not saying Will does all those other things especially well, but he is expected to do them and Frank trusts him. We can all get as ticked as we want at how Frank uses him, but Frank has shown that he trusts Will and will continue to have expectations of him. I'm just hopeful that Frank will see the problems he's having and scale it back, but I'm never expecting Frank to change his role a lot, (especially to be just to be a spot shooter) because Frank has shown he simply doesn't do that.
I don't care what Frank expects him to do...he is a spot shooter by all measures, and he is a spot shooter that can't shoot right now. He has no business playing 25+ minutes a game right now.
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he's not a spot up shooter. he's been a guy that has shot off the dribble all his life. and i completely disagree with the people saying he can't play at this level or that his skills or athletic ability limits him to a marginal role. his inability to perform this year (and by perform, i mean shoot) is inexplicable, except perhaps by cowardice.
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Not sure there is anything more satisfying than being validated by sys, this one feels awesome.
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he's not a spot up shooter. he's been a guy that has shot off the dribble all his life. and i completely disagree with the people saying he can't play at this level or that his skills or athletic ability limits him to a marginal role. his inability to perform this year (and by perform, i mean shoot) is inexplicable, except perhaps by cowardice.
oooh...cant wait for Towel Rack aka MIR to come in and clean you up you racist piece of crap. How dare you defend Sprads.
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mir has been saying the same thing all season, with the exception that he's also said that spradling has been disappointing in more aspects of the game than just shooting. he was the first to jump on spradling's poor play, probably because he expected more out of him than just about anyone else did.
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mir has been saying the same thing all season, with the exception that he's also said that spradling has been disappointing in more aspects of the game than just shooting. he was the first to jump on spradling's poor play, probably because he expected more out of him than just about anyone else did.
Also sys is 100% correct about Will having the ability to get into the paint but is scared to make a play for his teammates or attempt a shot with anyone within 5 feet of his torso. I keep hearing about him being tough because of his dad, but he doesn't play courageous at all. I want him to get his shot blocked, I want him to turn the ball over trying to fit a pass into a narrow space to a cutting forward. Boob Knight had a fit because he didn't drop the ball off to JO late against KU, I was happy he had the balls to try the lay up.