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Title: Change in rotations?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2010, 07:53:41 AM
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"Playing time is not charity, and I kind of made it that way the last few weeks of the season," Martin said. "Playing time is earned."

Cats say they haven't lost their swagger - Meek. (http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-03-08/kelly_cats_havent_lost_swagger)

Will be interesting to see what this looks like in KC.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 09, 2010, 08:00:18 AM
Hopefully playing time means huge increase for major upside Wally Judge and a massive decrease for the oncourt disaster that is Lu Colon. 

Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: steve dave on March 09, 2010, 08:00:42 AM
I would tend to like this response but, nowing Frank, it only means more Energy and not less.  
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: nicname on March 09, 2010, 08:25:48 AM
More Judge and McGrudz less Merriweather and LuCo(Lu is fine as long as he isn't shooting).  But these two should never be on the court at the same time.  Also, would really like to have our "top 5" in as much as possible down the stretch(last 10 min) of ball games unless it is a blow out. 

Frank has shown to be adept at the offense/defense substitutions, would like to see some RM/DS in those situations.

Foster WJ's confidence by letting him play through mistakes. 

Bring back JYC.


GTFOOMF FP Dom and give me angry JYC Dom instead.
"It's a long season," Sutton said. "Our bodies are a little worn down, and you could tell by our body language that we weren't enthused. The last two games we lost, it was just a reality check."
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2010, 08:32:11 AM
More Judge and McGrudz less Merriweather and LuCo(Lu is fine as long as he isn't shooting).  But these two should never be on the court at the same time.  Also, would really like to have our "top 5" in as much as possible down the stretch(last 10 min) of ball games unless it is a blow out.

I'm assuming you mean Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, JamSam, and Kelly as top 5.  That has been the line-up of choice when the game is on the line most of the year.

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Frank has shown to be adept at the offense/defense substitutions, would like to see some RM/DS in those situations.

Foster WJ's confidence by letting him play through mistakes. 

Bring back JYC.

Definintely need to bring back JYC.  While the prospect of letting Judge play thorough mistakes is enticing, I doubt we'll see that now, but I would like to see him in at least 10 minutes per game.  Same with McGrudes.

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GTFOOMF FP Dom and give me angry JYC Dom instead.
"It's a long season," Sutton said. "Our bodies are a little worn down, and you could tell by our body language that we weren't enthused. The last two games we lost, it was just a reality check."

Big key here.  Need the bullcity23 of old of old to step up.  Hopefully he can get some offensive success early in games from here on out, b/c that seems to be one of the big keys to him having a solid game.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: catzacker on March 09, 2010, 08:59:39 AM
I would tend to like this response but, nowing Frank, it only means more Energy and not less.  

this. I'm sur Vic O will get some quality minutes as well.  Have no idea who he's really referencing in the quote though.  Save for a few minutes in the ISU game (where frank put in vic O and JHR and then soon realized he was going to get run out of his own gym if he didn't put kelly or samuels back in) not sure he's used his bench out of anger, more out of necessity.  maybe's he's hinting at a possible "hey coach you only have 4 players out there" - "my players are out there, let's play" - Hoosiers moment in the Big 12 tourney.  
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: Pett on March 09, 2010, 09:06:12 AM
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"When you can only lose once, it shows everybody how bad you want it." - Wally Judge

:blah:
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2010, 09:18:42 AM
this. I'm sur Vic O will get some quality minutes as well.  Have no idea who he's really referencing in the quote though.  Save for a few minutes in the ISU game (where frank put in vic O and JHR and then soon realized he was going to get run out of his own gym if he didn't put kelly or samuels back in) not sure he's used his bench out of anger, more out of necessity.  maybe's he's hinting at a possible "hey coach you only have 4 players out there" - "my players are out there, let's play" - Hoosiers moment in the Big 12 tourney.  

My hope is its a realization that Lou for 15+ minutes is too much.  I'm fine with Lou for 10; start him off to keep JamSam on the bench, then spot duty in a couple 2-3 minute stretches during the game, alternating those stretches with Wally.  And 5-6 for Merri, again a couple 2-3 minute stretches, alternating with McGrudes.

Here's what I'd like to see for minutes from here on out:

Pullen - 34, Clemente - 36, Irving - 10
Sutton - 23, McGruder - 12, Merri - 5
Kelly - 27, JamSam - 26, Judge - 12, Lou - 10, JHR - 5
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: mcmwcat on March 09, 2010, 09:22:07 AM
GTFOOMF FP Dom and give me angry JYC Dom instead.
"It's a long season," Sutton said. "Our bodies are a little worn down, and you could tell by our body language that we weren't enthused. The last two games we lost, it was just a reality check."

Big key here.  Need the bullcity23 of old of old to step up.  Hopefully he can get some offensive success early in games from here on out, b/c that seems to be one of the big keys to him having a solid game.

sutton looked completely demoralized and wiped out at the end of the ISU game when he failed to finish twice inside the paint not even getting the shot up.  i think one time samuels was the one who stripped him.  couldn't really tell until i was watching the replay at the gym yesterday.  dom blocked my view during live action.  still don't believe it.  can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: michigancat on March 09, 2010, 09:22:59 AM
Judge has played through plenty of mistakes.  He still sucks at defense and rebounding.  Well, I guess he sucks at offense, too.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: CNS on March 09, 2010, 09:44:38 AM
The worst thing in the world to ever happen to Dom was the two games in a row that he actually did something on offense.  I loved it, and it gave me a little hope. 

Reality is that he hasn't played his shut down D since. 

Don't know if it is loss of focus or what. 

He is too damn old to talk about hitting a wall though.  He is not only a grown-ass man, but also the most in shape guy on the squad. 

I say limit Lu, play McGudes and Wally more, and fix Dom's D. 

Dom's D needs to be on the court.  Lu will suffer because of this.  We cannot afford to have two non-offensive threats on the floor simultaneously very often. 

I say we play Kelly, Jake, Denis, Dom, and Jamar and run like hell.  Fast line up.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: kougar24 on March 09, 2010, 10:14:08 AM
So, I totally thought Dom had an atrocious game against ISU, but to my surprise he had the best +/- on the team (+12). Thus, I no longer really trust this stat (not that I really did before).
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on March 09, 2010, 10:15:14 AM
Judge has played through plenty of mistakes.  He still sucks at defense and rebounding.  Well, I guess he sucks at offense, too.

but luckily he can jump and dunk and stuff.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: kougar24 on March 09, 2010, 10:19:35 AM
GTFOOMF FP Dom and give me angry JYC Dom instead.
"It's a long season," Sutton said. "Our bodies are a little worn down, and you could tell by our body language that we weren't enthused. The last two games we lost, it was just a reality check."

Big key here.  Need the bullcity23 of old of old to step up.  Hopefully he can get some offensive success early in games from here on out, b/c that seems to be one of the big keys to him having a solid game.

sutton looked completely demoralized and wiped out at the end of the ISU game when he failed to finish twice inside the paint not even getting the shot up.  i think one time samuels was the one who stripped him.  couldn't really tell until i was watching the replay at the gym yesterday.  dom blocked my view during live action.  still don't believe it.  can anyone confirm?


Sadly, I can confirm. Had a perfect view of the play, and Samuels didn't even "strip" Dom; Dom just bumped into Samuels and flat out dropped the ball like a little puss.

It was appropriate, because he played like a complete puss the entire game.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 09, 2010, 10:59:55 AM
Hmmm . . . . the complete melt down by Lu anytime somebody guards him, coupled with the telegraphed one handed pass to the middle of the court . . . then toss in Lu going into "I'm the guy" throw (I mean that literally) up a couple of bricks mode.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: michigancat on March 09, 2010, 11:02:38 AM
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"Frank said Vic is going to play minutes, so we're looking forward to Vic playing in the Oklahoma State or Oklahoma game."

http://cjonline.com/interact/blog/austin_meek/2010-03-09/martin_on_rotations

:embarrassed:
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: mcmwcat on March 09, 2010, 11:04:07 AM
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"Frank said Vic is going to play minutes, so we're looking forward to Vic playing in the Oklahoma State or Oklahoma game."

http://cjonline.com/interact/blog/austin_meek/2010-03-09/martin_on_rotations

:embarrassed:

I would tend to like this response but, nowing Frank, it only means more Energy and not less. 

shitfuck
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: pike on March 09, 2010, 11:06:39 AM
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"Frank said Vic is going to play minutes, so we're looking forward to Vic playing in the Oklahoma State or Oklahoma game."

http://cjonline.com/interact/blog/austin_meek/2010-03-09/martin_on_rotations

:embarrassed:
:runaway:
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2010, 11:08:07 AM
Love Frank.  He must read the boards.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 09, 2010, 11:10:29 AM
 :facepalm:

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

Is Te420K recruiting anyone at all, or is it basically Frank calling up Art Alvarez??

Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: steve dave on March 09, 2010, 11:11:07 AM
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"Frank said Vic is going to play minutes, so we're looking forward to Vic playing in the Oklahoma State or Oklahoma game."

http://cjonline.com/interact/blog/austin_meek/2010-03-09/martin_on_rotations

:embarrassed:

I would tend to like this response but, nowing Frank, it only means more Energy and not less. 

shitfuck

Yeah, nailed it
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: kougar24 on March 09, 2010, 11:12:23 AM
:popcorn:
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2010, 11:13:57 AM
Yeah, nailed it

Frank being Frank. 
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: steve dave on March 09, 2010, 11:15:40 AM
Yeah, nailed it

Frank being Frank. 

Quit trying to steal my thunder and acknowledge that I've been calling my shot a lot lately  :blank:
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: catzacker on March 09, 2010, 11:17:50 AM
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"Frank said Vic is going to play minutes, so we're looking forward to Vic playing in the Oklahoma State or Oklahoma game."

http://cjonline.com/interact/blog/austin_meek/2010-03-09/martin_on_rotations

:embarrassed:

I would tend to like this response but, nowing Frank, it only means more Energy and not less.  

this. I'm sur Vic O will get some quality minutes as well.  Have no idea who he's really referencing in the quote though.  Save for a few minutes in the ISU game (where frank put in vic O and JHR and then soon realized he was going to get run out of his own gym if he didn't put kelly or samuels back in) not sure he's used his bench out of anger, more out of necessity.  maybe's he's hinting at a possible "hey coach you only have 4 players out there" - "my players are out there, let's play" - Hoosiers moment in the Big 12 tourney.  

so we're a loss and a baylor run away from not being in OKC, correct?
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: steve dave on March 09, 2010, 11:25:01 AM
Catzacker is literally on fire (not literally)
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: catzacker on March 09, 2010, 11:33:24 AM
looking forward to the Ojeleye v. Muonelo/Anderson match up.  I'm dreaming of a Pullen, Irving, Sutton, Vic, JHR lineup that will just out hustle the other team.  frank should calm them down by measuring the height of the goal and the distance of the FT line, just to show them the Spring Center is like any other gym.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: JavaCat on March 09, 2010, 11:34:24 AM
I can't wait for Colon to get hurt, Kelly to get into foul trouble, and then we get to watch Judge get manhandled for the short time he's in there before he fouls out in a matter of minutes. That will be awesome.  :pbj:
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: catzacker on March 09, 2010, 11:38:12 AM
Quote from: Frank Hackman
Vic, you see James Anderson?  Stick with your him. Think of him as chewing gum. By the end of the game, I want you to know what flavor he is.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: michigancat on March 09, 2010, 11:42:59 AM
Yeah, nailed it

Frank being Frank. 

Quit trying to steal my thunder and acknowledge that I've been calling my shot a lot lately  :blank:

Yeah, you and zack both really took a bold stance here.  Great work!
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: catzacker on March 09, 2010, 11:45:25 AM
Yeah, nailed it

Frank being Frank. 

Quit trying to steal my thunder and acknowledge that I've been calling my shot a lot lately  :blank:

Yeah, you and zack both really took a bold stance here.  Great work!

what's our bold stance efg%?  jerkstore.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 09, 2010, 11:46:47 AM
Vic "playing" means like 3-5 minutes vs OSU. 
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: steve dave on March 09, 2010, 11:50:00 AM
Yeah, nailed it

Frank being Frank. 

Quit trying to steal my thunder and acknowledge that I've been calling my shot a lot lately  :blank:

Yeah, you and zack both really took a bold stance here.  Great work!

If I ever play you in hoops I will threaten the f^ck out of you and make you apologize to me for my trouble  :curse:
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: michigancat on March 09, 2010, 11:50:54 AM
Yeah, nailed it

Frank being Frank. 

Quit trying to steal my thunder and acknowledge that I've been calling my shot a lot lately  :blank:

Yeah, you and zack both really took a bold stance here.  Great work!

If I ever play you in hoops I will threaten the f^ck out of you and make you apologize to me for my trouble  :curse:

Hey man - sorry.  Didn't mean to hurt your poor widdwle feewings.  sheesh.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: steve dave on March 09, 2010, 11:55:31 AM
Yeah, nailed it

Frank being Frank. 

Quit trying to steal my thunder and acknowledge that I've been calling my shot a lot lately  :blank:

Yeah, you and zack both really took a bold stance here.  Great work!

If I ever play you in hoops I will threaten the f^ck out of you and make you apologize to me for my trouble  :curse:

Hey man - sorry.  Didn't mean to hurt your poor widdwle feewings.  sheesh.

Is this how you have made yourself believe you apologized?  Because, that's not how I remember it.   :blank:
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: michigancat on March 09, 2010, 11:56:16 AM
Yeah, nailed it

Frank being Frank. 

Quit trying to steal my thunder and acknowledge that I've been calling my shot a lot lately  :blank:

Yeah, you and zack both really took a bold stance here.  Great work!

If I ever play you in hoops I will threaten the f^ck out of you and make you apologize to me for my trouble  :curse:

Hey man - sorry.  Didn't mean to hurt your poor widdwle feewings.  sheesh.

Is this how you have made yourself believe you apologized?  Because, that's not how I remember it.   :blank:

ha!  Trying to avoid a verbal elbow, I see.  :lol:
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: sys on March 09, 2010, 12:29:37 PM
sounds like oje was the only one trying to bring back the jycs.  martin has to play him if he can do that.  has no choice, jyc is too important.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: Bill Clarahan on March 09, 2010, 12:33:15 PM
I can't wait for Colon to get hurt, Kelly to get into foul trouble, and then we get to watch Judge get manhandled for the short time he's in there before he fouls out in a matter of minutes. That will be awesome.  :pbj:

This made me LOL, not because I think you're funny,but because I think you're spot on
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: chum1 on March 09, 2010, 03:11:28 PM
So, is anyone going to discuss the motivational aspect of this?  Should Frank do nothing to try to light a fire under the slackers of the team after two straight losses - including a really bad one?
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: pissclams on March 09, 2010, 03:14:16 PM
So, is anyone going to discuss the motivational aspect of this?  Should Frank do nothing to try to light a fire under the slackers of the team after two straight losses - including a really bad one?
he really needs to make the team get the "want" back, seems like we lost it, idk?
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: chum1 on March 09, 2010, 03:20:05 PM
So, is anyone going to discuss the motivational aspect of this?  Should Frank do nothing to try to light a fire under the slackers of the team after two straight losses - including a really bad one?
he really needs to make the team get the "want" back, seems like we lost it, idk?

This is how he motivates.  Same as Huggins.  And what better time than before tourney time? 

So, don't worry, people.  Your player crushes will be back out on the court soon enough.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: pissclams on March 09, 2010, 03:52:53 PM
would steroids help this team recover faster and give us more enthusiasm on the court?  are they illegal in basketball or just football? 
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: fatty fat fat on March 09, 2010, 05:06:11 PM
goEMAW is going places. 

those places?

places that aren't good.

sad.
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: yoman on March 09, 2010, 07:02:21 PM
would steroids help this team recover faster and give us more enthusiasm on the court?  are they illegal in basketball or just football? 
'roids are only illegal in baseball right now i believe.  they're just frowned upon in football
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: Thread Killer on March 09, 2010, 07:55:00 PM
would steroids help this team recover faster and give us more enthusiasm on the court?  are they illegal in basketball or just football? 
'roids are only illegal in baseball right now i believe.  they're just frowned upon in football

JFC yoman, that picture is about as cheap and trashy as that whore you call a mother..

Looks like a 3rd grader with downs made it..
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: yoman on March 09, 2010, 08:15:16 PM
would steroids help this team recover faster and give us more enthusiasm on the court?  are they illegal in basketball or just football?  
'roids are only illegal in baseball right now i believe.  they're just frowned upon in football

JFC yoman, that picture is about as cheap and trashy as that whore you call a mother..

Looks like a 3rd grader with downs made it..
:pbj: Funny thing is, I didn't like the picture that much, but now that I have your approval I think I'll keep it up for a while.  Thanks Dipshit!!
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: chum1 on March 09, 2010, 10:50:43 PM
would steroids help this team recover faster and give us more enthusiasm on the court?  are they illegal in basketball or just football? 

If you lose your car keys, do you then try to recover them?  Sounds weird, doesn't it?  Sometimes enthusiasm is misplaced?  Teenagers and sex?  Cigarettes?  Think of Frank is a giant metal detector for enthusiasm.   
Title: Re: Change in rotations?
Post by: slimz on March 12, 2010, 02:46:53 PM
No Energy.

 :alleyoop: