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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: bigwillie20 on February 11, 2012, 03:39:52 PM
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Jamar Samuels, F 22 1-5 0-2 1-2 1 4 1 2 0 2 5 3
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Picked up a double foul on our first offensive possession :cheers:
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Picked up a double foul on our first offensive possession :cheers:
only in the Big 12 and only with Jamar can you get pulled down by your arm being hooked and get a foul called on you.
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Jamar is pretty awesome, I must admit.
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I don't care what happens the rest of the game. Jamar :love:
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:love:
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he needs to shoot the 3 they're giving him. He missed his last one, who cares? He's 1 for 2 and our offense is terrible. Making another could open up the paint. Shoot it!
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Bossi called him samuelson in a tweet earlier, made my evening.
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he needs to shoot the 3 they're giving him. He missed his last one, who cares? He's 1 for 2 and our offense is terrible. Making another could open up the paint. Shoot it!
He heard you.
I'm giving Ebb a hug on campus tomorrow! :emawkid:
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Why the referees hate you so much Jamar? You're so adorable!
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Jamar is pretty awesome, I must admit.
Oh, I love Jamar as a complete set, especially the attitude piece. There's just that one thing that drives me nuts. Great effort tonight though.
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Man, even if he didn't score a point tonight the heart he showed and being a leader is what I was wanting all year. Hats off to Jamar tonight
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Mostly just pissed off when he does this. I mean, this is why I like Jamar but, Jam, dude, consistency? Killing me over here.
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Mostly just pissed off when he does this. I mean, this is why I like Jamar but, Jam, dude, consistency? Killing me over here.
Jamar is the only player on the team who is consistently good. He fouls too much. Other than that, he's amazing.
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Mostly just pissed off when he does this. I mean, this is why I like Jamar but, Jam, dude, consistency? Killing me over here.
Jamar is the only player on the team who is consistently good. He fouls too much. Other than that, he's amazing.
pump the brakes...he's not amazing at anything but looking upset when he's called for a foul
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I love Jamar.
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If this Jamar would show up for the scrub teams, we could shrug this off as a bump in the road on the way to another Top 4 finish, instead of it continuing our spin into an NIT first-round loss.
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I love Jamar.
me too. does some dirty work, doesn't get the credit. reminds me of lu in that regard
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I am worried who we have to step into the Jamar role next year. I mean, Frank has always had a guy who played the enforcer role. A guy who uses his fouls as oppys. Who on our team is this for the next couple years? Gip maybe? Out side of gip, I just don't know.
Here's hoping that Gip has a mean streak that will eventually lead to hurt feelings and bruised ribs.
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I am worried who we have to step into the Jamar role next year. I mean, Frank has always had a guy who played the enforcer role. A guy who uses his fouls as oppys. Who on our team is this for the next couple years? Gip maybe? Out side of gip, I just don't know.
Here's hoping that Gip has a mean streak that will eventually lead to hurt feelings and bruised ribs.
I think Gip showed he's willing to step up when he didn't take Thug Robinson's posing last night.
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I am worried who we have to step into the Jamar role next year. I mean, Frank has always had a guy who played the enforcer role. A guy who uses his fouls as oppys. Who on our team is this for the next couple years? Gip maybe? Out side of gip, I just don't know.
Here's hoping that Gip has a mean streak that will eventually lead to hurt feelings and bruised ribs.
I can see Gip growing into a poor man's Dejuan Blair
I think Gip showed he's willing to step up when he didn't take Thug Robinson's posing last night.
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Man, even if he didn't score a point tonight the heart he showed and being a leader is what I was wanting all year. Hats off to Jamar tonight
I hope he plays like this on his senior night.
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I've really enjoyed mocking jamar haters all year
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get back with me when he puts up back to back solid performances. :driving:
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I've really enjoyed mocking jamar haters all year
:dubious:
It was 1 game, pump the brakes
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I've really enjoyed mocking jamar haters all year
:dubious:
It was 1 game, pump the brakes
Jamar's steals, blocks and 3's :love: How huge was the trey before halftime? Clutch
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I've really enjoyed mocking jamar haters all year
:dubious:
It was 1 game, pump the brakes
Jamar's steals, blocks and 3's :love: How huge was the trey before halftime? Clutch
Before half 3 was fantastic.
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I thought he was gonna get fouled on that shot.
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Nick Wright just spent some time telling the world that KSU fans have to be disappointed in Jamar and that we all had to have hoped that the KU game was a shot in the arm to "get him over what has been a disappointing season since the beginning of January".
Jamar hater confirmed.
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Probably the easiest way to differentiate HBBIQers from RetardBBIQers is their appreciation of Jamar's game.
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Probably the easiest way to differentiate HBBIQers from RetardBBIQers is their appreciation of Jamar's game.
There is a stronger coloration with Angel love/hate and HBBIQ/RetardBBIQ
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Probably the easiest way to differentiate HBBIQers from RetardBBIQers is their appreciation of Jamar's game.
There is a stronger coloration with Angel love/hate and HBBIQ/RetardBBIQ
Jamar is a very physical screen setter and a versatile defender. He does do alot of things that go unnoticed by people who only watch the ball. Still...the double fouls and mental lapses are maddening sometimes, considering he's the senior leader. Anyone who doesn't love him though, probably :opcat: or not really a fan.
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Jamar's game pushes things right up to the line btwn awesome and double foul. When you play w/your hair on fire, some times you get burned. However, given this scenario, it is entertaining 100% of the time.
Its a very fine line.
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My favorite thing about Jamar is watching him use all those "cagey veteran" tricks and the type of stuff that old dudes use playing pickup ball at the YMCA or local gym. I've been waiting for him to nut-tapa shooter without being caught all year.
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I wish he would just face-up and abandon his back to the basket attempts.
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I wish he would just face-up and abandon his back to the basket attempts.
Why? Do you hate all of the fouls he draws?
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Nick Wright was not impressed w/ #teamjamar.
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Nick Wright was not impressed w/ #teamjamar.
That's probably a good thing for #teamjamar.
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petro and kerkhoff is the best jamar hating tag team on radio.
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petro and kerkhoff is the best jamar hating tag team on radio.
It would seem that every kc metro media member is a dumbass who doesn't know eff about college basketball.
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petro and kerkhoff is the best jamar hating tag team on radio.
It would seem that every kc metro media member is a dumbass who doesn't know eff about college basketball.
You can't expect them to concentrate, some players are reporting to the Royals' training camp!
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I've been waiting for him to nut-tapa shooter without being caught all year.
Rumblings that Jamar does this quite often, actually. :sdeek:
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Jamar's game pushes things right up to the line btwn awesome and double foul. When you play w/your hair on fire, some times you get burned. However, given this scenario, it is entertaining 100% of the time.
Its a very fine line.
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Jamar's on-court demeanor is his biggest problem, imo. The refs just do not like it.
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Jamar's game pushes things right up to the line btwn awesome and double foul. When you play w/your hair on fire, some times you get burned. However, given this scenario, it is entertaining 100% of the time.
Its a very fine line.
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Jamar's on-court demeanor is his biggest problem, imo. The refs just do not like it.
:horrorsurprise:
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I wish he would just face-up and abandon his back to the basket attempts.
Why? Do you hate all of the fouls he draws?
The fouls are good, both free throws would be better.
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Will miss Jamar alot next year. Not sure who will fill his role...another very nice game.
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another great game by Jamar :driving:
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another great game by Jamar :driving:
YES!
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haven't fact checked this but on top of the foul record Jamar will end the season at these spots in the record books according to a guy on GPC:
12th in scoring
5th in blocks
5th in steals
6th in rebounds
6th in total minutes played
One of the all time greats :love:
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petro and kerkhoff is the best jamar hating tag team on radio.
kerkhoff is a giant asshat. Petro is wrong on the issue.
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petro and kerkhoff is the best jamar hating tag team on radio.
kerkhoff is a giant asshat. Petro is wrong on the issue.
Painfully obvs that Petro only watches us when we play KU or MU. He couldn't give a crap about us and knows nothing about us other than highlights.
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petro and kerkhoff is the best jamar hating tag team on radio.
kerkhoff is a giant asshat. Petro is wrong on the issue.
Painfully obvs that Petro only watches us when we play KU or MU. He couldn't give a crap about us and knows nothing about us other than highlights.
yeah.
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Jamar has been plagued throughout his career by fans and pundits wanting him to be something he is not. He is good at what he is though.
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Jamar is a JYC. It's all I've ever wanted from him and it's all he's ever given me.
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could he get recognition for 1st team defensive all confy?
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Jamar has been plagued throughout his career by fans and pundits wanting him to be something he is not. He is good at what he is though.
jamar isn't plagued with anything but being a baller. the only people who are plagued are the idiots who don't know.
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Jamar has been plagued throughout his career by fans and pundits wanting him to be something he is not. He is good at what he is though.
jamar isn't plagued with anything but being a baller. the only people who are plagued are the idiots who don't know.
True.
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petro and kerkhoff is the best jamar hating tag team on radio.
kerkhoff is a giant asshat. Petro is wrong on the issue.
Painfully obvs that Petro only watches us when we play KU or MU. He couldn't give a crap about us and knows nothing about us other than highlights.
Every time I've ever heard Kerkhoff on the radio, it sounds like he is absolutely trembling with fear of something. Not sure what though. But he is definitely terrified of something. :dunno:
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I have to admit that I thought, after his sophomore season, that he would turn in to a 14-10 type player. Didn't think that he'd continue having the foul trouble.
I don't think he's been a disappointment at all though.
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I don't think he's been a disappointment at all though.
:lol:
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I don't think he's been a disappointment at all though.
:lol:
what kind of ridiculous expectations did you have for him? :confused:
12th in scoring
5th in blocks
5th in steals
6th in rebounds
6th in total minutes played
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I don't think he's been a disappointment at all though.
:lol:
what kind of ridiculous expectations did you have for him? :confused:
12th in scoring
5th in blocks
5th in steals
6th in rebounds
6th in total minutes played
also, 1st in fouls :thumbsup:
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I don't think he's been a disappointment at all though.
:lol:
what kind of ridiculous expectations did you have for him? :confused:
12th in scoring
5th in blocks
5th in steals
6th in rebounds
6th in total minutes played
hmmm, is Jamar in the all time top ten of 4 year EMAWs?
obvs inclusions on this list would be Jake, Henson, Purple popgun guys, Kruger etc
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jamar is well ahead of all those guys except jake
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Good thing they don't keep stats for stupid plays, missed layups, or all around dumshittery :thumbs:
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Good thing they don't keep stats for stupid plays, missed layups, or all around dumshittery :thumbs:
Some of the misses are frustrating, but many times it's because he is trying harder to draw contact than focusing on the shot.
As for stupid plays, he doesn't have many that I can pull off the top of my head.
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Jamar has very HBBIQ. He also gets in other players heads every game.
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Good thing they don't keep stats for stupid plays, missed layups, or all around dumshittery :thumbs:
I mean, I am glad you are sticking to your guns, but man.
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Good thing they don't keep stats for stupid plays, missed layups, or all around dumshittery :thumbs:
I mean, I am glad you are sticking to your guns, but man.
was thinking the same thing, it's ok to fall on your sword, but this sword? damn.
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I don't think he's been a disappointment at all though.
:lol:
what kind of ridiculous expectations did you have for him? :confused:
12th in scoring
5th in blocks
5th in steals
6th in rebounds
6th in total minutes played
hmmm, is Jamar in the all time top ten of 4 year EMAWs?
obvs inclusions on this list would be Jake, Henson, Purple popgun guys, Kruger etc
Jamar is in the top 10 even if you include 1 or 2 year players.
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Good thing they goEMAW don't doesn't keep stats ban people for stupid plays, missed layups, or all around dumshittery :thumbs:
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Very good point mocat. It would be a very lonely place for me around here with none of you herp derping around.
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Very good point mocat. It would be a very lonely place for me around here with none of you herp derping around.
herp derping around. man that's good. I need to use that :thumbsup:
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I wish he would just face-up and abandon his back to the basket attempts.
Why? Do you hate all of the fouls he draws?
The fouls are good, both free throws would be better.
Do you watch the games? Jamar is a 70% FT shooter for the season and #2 in the conference in FTr.
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Good thing they don't keep stats for stupid plays, missed layups, or all around dumshittery :thumbs:
Some of the misses are frustrating, but many times it's because he is trying harder to draw contact than focusing on the shot.
As for stupid plays, he doesn't have many that I can pull off the top of my head.
This. I noticed it twice in the MU game where either got blocked or missed a lay up because he was throwing his body at the defender instead of just going up. It's like he shoots his lay ups like his middle of the lane post move.
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Even the expectations junkies have to be amped about how he's played the last 3 games.
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Watching jamar run might be the most enjoyable thing about his game, just fantastic.
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Good thing they don't keep stats for stupid plays, missed layups, or all around dumshittery :thumbs:
Some of the misses are frustrating, but many times it's because he is trying harder to draw contact than focusing on the shot.
As for stupid plays, he doesn't have many that I can pull off the top of my head.
This. I noticed it twice in the MU game where either got blocked or missed a lay up because he was throwing his body at the defender instead of just going up. It's like he shoots his lay ups like his middle of the lane post move.
Works out better in the long run.
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17 pts 11 rbs 3 asts 1 blk 0 to
:emawkid:
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17 pts 11 rbs 3 asts 1 blk 0 to
:emawkid:
Played like ass for the 1st part of the game but got some shots to fall luckily, good for him, and good for the people that think he is good
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The thought just crossed my mind; this Saturday will be the last time I see Jamar in the OOD. Ever. :frown:
Jamar has passed Paco May as my favorite non-all league 1st or 2nd team Cat of all time.
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The thought just crossed my mind; this Saturday will be the last time I see Jamar in the OOD. Ever. :frown:
Jamar has passed Paco May as my favorite non-all league 1st or 2nd team Cat of all time.
he is unbelievably likable, good and really epitomizes JYC basketball
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Plans to present him with the Jamaican flag have been discussed.
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Plans to present him with the Jamaican flag have been discussed.
You should do this.
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Plans to present him with the Jamaican flag have been discussed.
I'd love for that to happen. :cry:
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JYC to the core.
He deserves to be sent out with a W on Sat, I'll miss him.
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I'll miss the way he runs, tweets, and smiles
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man, I can't do this right now. gonna have to let it hit me all at once and completely wash over me on Sat.
gonna be a rough day win or lose
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I always liked the way Jamar talks to Frank while he's chewing his ass, in a calming fashion
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I always liked the way Jamar does everything, including not participate in kid's camps :lol:
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Jamar scoring 9 straight down the stretch yesterday was wonderful. Refusing to lose.
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Plans to present him with the Jamaican flag have been discussed.
what are the details behind this plan
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17 pts 11 rbs 3 asts 1 blk 0 to
:emawkid:
Played like ass for the 1st part of the game but got some shots to fall luckily, good for him, and good for the people that think he is good
:facepalm:
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petro and kerkhoff is the best jamar hating tag team on radio.
kerkhoff is a giant asshat. Petro is wrong on the issue.
Painfully obvs that Petro only watches us when we play KU or MU. He couldn't give a crap about us and knows nothing about us other than highlights.
yeah.
like most idiots petro pissed that Jamar can't go 17-11 every night. he's "unreachable" :lol:
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petro - if only Martin could have done a better job with Samuels KSU would be conference champions this year
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petro - if only Martin could have done a better job with Samuels KSU would be conference champions this year
I'm not even that dumb
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are the local radio guys of the belief that jamar was a 5 star top 15 recruit? he's a 6'6" skinny 4 for eff sakes.
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are the local radio guys of the belief that jamar was a 5 star top 15 recruit? he's a 6'6" skinny 4 for eff sakes.
No, but they fell in love with him his sophomore year. Ever since, Petro has been really dreamy eye'd with jam sam and I think he's sad that he didn't turn into a monster. I still love him. :excited:
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maybe his energy and effort allowed him to max his performance from day 1. his stats over 4 years are pretty consistent.
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Can't wait for the "Gip didn't develop into what he could have" talking point in three years when he's had two straight mid/low teens points and high single digit rebounds seasons.
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Last night was one of the best games of his career. Steady, composed, played within himself. Played like a legit senior. As great as Jamar has been over the course of the last three games (and he's been great), it's still so hard to think we're not playing with anything other than house money. I want to believe, though.
If he could continue this run, we could make some noise to finish out the season rolling into tourney time.
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Love Jamar when he exploits his face-up game.
When he atacked the rim from three with one bounce. :love: :love:
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I'm sorry Jamar. I said you weren't important to this any of our success, then you started playing like this. Thank you for spiting me.
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Did you guys see jam take that guy on the dribble from the bench side perimeter? Was very amazing. Doesn't do it enough given how fast he did it last night.
I love jam more every day.
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I love him equal every day. but then again, I'm not some complete dumbass who hated him for a good portion of his career because he wasn't michael beasley.
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Did you guys see jam take that guy on the dribble from the bench side perimeter? Was very amazing. Doesn't do it enough given how fast he did it last night.
I love jam more every day.
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The one dribble take to the rim was great. As was the back to the basket pivot, draw the foul, and finish for the +1 in the first half. As was the clutch 3.
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Plans to present him with the Jamaican flag have been discussed.
what are the details behind this plan
There aren't any. Drunk pak talk about giving Jamar the flag if we get to OOD super early and catch his attention during pregame. Upon reflection, they've been reduced to hoping like hell the Cats win and do a victory lap and we can somewhat re-enact the Denis/Vegas episode and maybe Jam will take the flag and do a lap with it. :dunno:
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Plans to present him with the Jamaican flag have been discussed.
what are the details behind this plan
There aren't any. Drunk pak talk about giving Jamar the flag if we get to OOD super early and catch his attention during pregame. Upon reflection, they've been reduced to hoping like hell the Cats win and do a victory lap and we can somewhat re-enact the Denis/Vegas episode and maybe Jam will take the flag and do a lap with it. :dunno:
I'm sure there are plenty of other avenues to take, but if should be necessary, I could just give it to Ebonie on campus. Though I'm sure there are plenty of goEMAW members that would actually see Jamar on campus and could do that instead. But it's really the only way I could offer to help, so I thought I would.
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I love him equal every day. but then again, I'm not some complete dumbass who hated him for a good portion of his career because he wasn't michael beasley.
My cup overruneth w/ Jamar love for several years now, but I don't let it stop there, I get another cup. Then that one catches the run off, then repeat.
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I love him equal every day. but then again, I'm not some complete dumbass who hated him for a good portion of his career because he wasn't michael beasley.
:thumbs:
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i'd like to put together a parade with floats, etc for jamar at the end of the season. the parade will have a finish line, like a race. at the finish line will be the section 17'ers on each side, holding the flag across the finish line.
who do i need to talk to?
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i'd like to put together a parade with floats, etc for jamar at the end of the season. the parade will have a finish line, like a race. at the finish line will be the section 17'ers on each side, holding the flag across the finish line.
who do i need to talk to?
stevesie.
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I love him equal every day. but then again, I'm not some complete dumbass who hated him for a good portion of his career because he wasn't michael beasley.
That would be me, except for the Beasley part.
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i'd like to put together a parade with floats, etc for jamar at the end of the season. the parade will have a finish line, like a race. at the finish line will be the section 17'ers on each side, holding the flag across the finish line.
I got word back. No way they'll let this thing happen at the plaza. Sorry clams.
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if you are one of the top 5 best ksu cats of all time, you get my full respect. and jamar is clearly one of the top 5 right now.
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Everytime Jamar goes to the free throw line this year, you can see how locked in he is, and how he wants to extract as much as possible out of his senior year.
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i'd like to put together a parade with floats, etc for jamar at the end of the season. the parade will have a finish line, like a race. at the finish line will be the section 17'ers on each side, holding the flag across the finish line.
I got word back. No way they'll let this thing happen at the plaza. Sorry clams.
bosco plaza not country club
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i'd like to put together a parade with floats, etc for jamar at the end of the season. the parade will have a finish line, like a race. at the finish line will be the section 17'ers on each side, holding the flag across the finish line.
I got word back. No way they'll let this thing happen at the plaza. Sorry clams.
bosco plaza not country club
We should really pick one senior to do this for every year. And what the hell, its like we don't have any students on here that do anything and 'clams has to come up with all these ideas
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Totally held the ball so he could score at the FT line :gocho:
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Good bump
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Totally held the ball so he could score at the FT line :gocho:
He wasn't going to be denied, not on this day.
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27 mins 0-0 FG
Don't think I've ever seen a player do that.
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27 mins 0-0 FG
Don't think I've ever seen a player do that.
I know. I really can't get mad at Jamar for not scoring when he didn't even shoot. :love: Jamar :love:
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More senior leadership.
:flush:
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JO taking Samuelols place as a senior that has a regressed into a worthless piece of crap liability on the floor :ksu:
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JO taking Samuelols place as a senior that has a regressed into a worthless piece of crap liability on the floor :ksu:
Please keep bumping reminders of the bet you made stating you would leave if we made the tournament last year. The mods should delete your account for you IMO it would be neither censorship or a ban since you set the terms yourself.
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Someone thinks Samuels was a "worthless piece of crap liability on the floor" last year? I mean, I don't even...
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Someone thinks Samuels was a "worthless piece of crap liability on the floor" last year? I mean, I don't even...
Not only that but completely willing to bump the stupidity for everyone to see. Message boards, me, throw the stupid word around a lot, but it's quite obvious that bigwillie is actually a mouth breathing moron.
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JO taking Samuelols place as a senior that has a regressed into a worthless piece of crap liability on the floor :ksu:
Please keep bumping reminders of the bet you made stating you would leave if we made the tournament last year. The mods should delete your account for you IMO it would be neither censorship or a ban since you set the terms yourself.
We need to do something to bet rid of the worthless racist.
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JO taking Samuelols place as a senior that has a regressed into a worthless piece of crap liability on the floor :ksu:
Please keep bumping reminders of the bet you made stating you would leave if we made the tournament last year. The mods should delete your account for you IMO it would be neither censorship or a ban since you set the terms yourself.
We need to do something to bet rid of the worthless racist.
He said he would delete his account, he didn't say he would lurk for a couple of months and start posting again during football season.
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I'd give up 7 of our players to have JamSam back.
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I'd give up 7 of our players to have JamSam back.
yes, he was great. lol at dumbfucks hating him all the time.
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Jamar was so fun
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I'd give up 7 of our players to have JamSam back.
yes, he was great. lol at dumbfucks hating him all the time.
I'm just glad he redshirted his freshman year, allowed for more time to love him so much.
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Jamar was one of my fav cats. Like top two.
Other teams hated him. He was fantastic.
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i'll never forget jam sam draining a 3 in the big 12 tourney '10 vs. okie state at the end of the first half. was a very big-timey moment.
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i'll never forget jam sam draining a 3 in the big 12 tourney '10 vs. okie state at the end of the first half. was a very big-timey moment.
That one 3 vs. #1 Texas in '10 :love:
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i'll never forget jam sam draining a 3 in the big 12 tourney '10 vs. okie state at the end of the first half. was a very big-timey moment.
Especially since it put us up by about 50 going into the half.
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I miss our '09-'10 unis.
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Goddammitt I miss that crap
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Was fun.
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I heard from someone who sat behind the bench at an away game last year than Frank, upon putting Spradling into the game, said "Spradling, go get your ass in a game. And miss a couple 3's so I can take you out again."
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I really like Jamar. Hopefully by the time his baby is all grown up and ready to play college hoops we have #Gottlieb4KSU.
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I heard from someone who sat behind the bench at an away game last year than Frank, upon putting Spradling into the game, said "Spradling, go get your ass in a game. And miss a couple 3's so I can take you out again."
that's mumped up
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fp,tc,loser, etc.
If McGruder cut off both his arms and still played he would still contribute more than this piece of crap did after he regressed into a gigantic rough ridin' worthless loser his senior year
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I heard from someone who sat behind the bench at an away game last year than Frank, upon putting Spradling into the game, said "Spradling, go get your ass in a game. And miss a couple 3's so I can take you out again."
God I miss Frank.
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I heard from someone who sat behind the bench at an away game last year than Frank, upon putting Spradling into the game, said "Spradling, go get your ass in a game. And miss a couple 3's so I can take you out again."
:lol:
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the only thing i blame frank for is that he recruited players who couldn't handle him
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the only thing i blame frank for is that he recruited players who couldn't handle him
The problem for me is players that would handle that the best is a guy that would mumble "eff you" while tearing off their warm-up jacket on the way to the table. Then Frank would freak out on the player for showing the same fire that he showed.
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a valid point, mir.
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I so wish Jamar was a Sr on this year's team.
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would be a good fit for BW's O