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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: wetwillie on February 04, 2012, 05:04:38 PM
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Where are they coming from?
My take: ISU,UT,OSU,A@M,Tech
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We'll beat KU and probably Baylor. Will lose @UT or @aTm
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LOL, we're not winning in Waco with Clown Shoes Magoo back in town.
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kougs post
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5 more is going to be tough. It would help to at least go 1-2 during that brutal KU, MU, BU stretch.
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5 more is going to be tough.
Guess its a good thing we're a lock with 4 more wins.
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Frank has three more in him, I'm sure of it. Does it have to include one of BU, KU, MU for 9-9 to stick?
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Frank has three more in him, I'm sure of it. Does it have to include one of BU, KU, MU for 9-9 to stick?
I think we need one of those to be safely in, or feel really safe on selection day (not counting the Big 12 tournament). I know the bubble is supposedly weak at this point, but riding a 4 game losing streak at this point is not a good idea. Plus, while we don't and likely won't have any really bad losses, we also don't have many really good wins. Our OOC is decent, but not great. And we've not taken advantage of many opportunities in Big 12 play.
I think its reactionary to say this team is completely out and has no chance to make it, but its also not valid to say we're clearly in at this point. Still plenty of work to do, and each of these types of losses simply reduces the margin for error a little bit more each time.
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Frank has three more in him, I'm sure of it. Does it have to include one of BU, KU, MU for 9-9 to stick?
I think we need one of those to be safely in, or feel really safe on selection day (not counting the Big 12 tournament). I know the bubble is supposedly weak at this point, but riding a 4 game losing streak at this point is not a good idea. Plus, while we don't and likely won't have any really bad losses, we also don't have many really good wins. Our OOC is decent, but not great. And we've not taken advantage of many opportunities in Big 12 play.
I think its reactionary to say this team is completely out and has no chance to make it, but its also not valid to say we're clearly in at this point. Still plenty of work to do, and each of these types of losses simply reduces the margin for error a little bit more each time.
And chalking up ISU at home or @aTm as a win is not really something we can do. Need to get 1 out of 3 against the big boys
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This loss didn't reduce our margin for error a "little." It decimated it.
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:rollseyes:
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first, we don't have to win aginst KU, @ MU, or @ BU. going 0-3 against those 3 requires 3 wins against ISU, OSU, and @A&M. but the idea that we're just going to f*cking roll into A&M and win....lol. I mean, we're banking on going on the road and beating A&M? jfc. Had we of won today, we could have lost @ A&M.
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:rollseyes:
DECIMATED IT.
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I keep trying to tell myself that we are supposed to be a bubble team this season. Then I see us up by 14 twice (!) on the road to our bubble competition and lose. I have no idea what to think. My expectations have changed from our first game - we have blown our chance to lock a tourney spot before the confy tourney. Frustrating. :frown:
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Frank has three more in him, I'm sure of it. Does it have to include one of BU, KU, MU for 9-9 to stick?
I think we need one of those to be safely in, or feel really safe on selection day (not counting the Big 12 tournament). I know the bubble is supposedly weak at this point, but riding a 4 game losing streak at this point is not a good idea. Plus, while we don't and likely won't have any really bad losses, we also don't have many really good wins. Our OOC is decent, but not great. And we've not taken advantage of many opportunities in Big 12 play.
I think its reactionary to say this team is completely out and has no chance to make it, but its also not valid to say we're clearly in at this point. Still plenty of work to do, and each of these types of losses simply reduces the margin for error a little bit more each time.
OU just got blown out by Texas Tech. If I read the score correctly, by 18 freaking points. We lost to OU twice. Both of those are bad losses.
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OU's rpi isn't terrible.
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OU's rpi isn't terrible.
Now in the upper 90s. Looks like they'll finish the regular season 15-15 and 5-13, and that's if they manage to beat OSU and aTm at home. Right now their next best win to beating us is Oral Roberts or Arkansas. They are a bad team.
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I like our chances to compete at Baylor, but it will be tough to win. Don't feel good about Columbia at all.
The last three, I think we can win them all, but a loss in there wouldn't shock me.
I think we finish with 2 more wins minimum, and I like our shot to get 3. Very much on th bubble.
Games like last night I can get over, I still look back at the pair of losses to OU, BU, and @ISU as the ones we let get away. Not necessarily even winning all 4, but we should've gotten at least 2.
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If we finish 500 in the league we SHOULD be in. ACC teams used to get teams in when they were the top conference at .500
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Still need 3
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OU's rpi isn't terrible.
:facepalm:
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They are still top 100 aren't they?
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They are still top 100 aren't they?
Depending on where you look, no. Anywhere from 99 to 103 from what I've seen.
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104 on the NCAAs official RPI
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They are still top 100 aren't they?
Depends on where you look. StatSheet has them at #103; don't know what RPI they use.
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Also OSU is currently 106 in the RPI if they could move into the top 100 that would be 1 or 2 more top 100 RPI wins.
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Also OSU is currently 106 in the RPI if they could move into the top 100 that would be 1 or 2 more top 100 RPI wins.
A top 100 home win does nothing for you, so it'd just give us a top 100 road win (still would be nice though). It'd be nice if VT stayed in the top 100 (#96 now).
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Also OSU is currently 106 in the RPI if they could move into the top 100 that would be 1 or 2 more top 100 RPI wins.
A top 100 home win does nothing for you, so it'd just give us a top 100 road win (still would be nice though). It'd be nice if VT stayed in the top 100 (#96 now).
Any top 100 win does something for you when you're being compared to other bubble teams
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Also OSU is currently 106 in the RPI if they could move into the top 100 that would be 1 or 2 more top 100 RPI wins.
A top 100 home win does nothing for you, so it'd just give us a top 100 road win (still would be nice though). It'd be nice if VT stayed in the top 100 (#96 now).
Any top 100 win does something for you when you're being compared to other bubble teams
You sure about that? I thought only top 50 counted as "good wins" at home.
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Also OSU is currently 106 in the RPI if they could move into the top 100 that would be 1 or 2 more top 100 RPI wins.
A top 100 home win does nothing for you, so it'd just give us a top 100 road win (still would be nice though). It'd be nice if VT stayed in the top 100 (#96 now).
Any top 100 win does something for you when you're being compared to other bubble teams
You sure about that? I thought only top 50 counted as "good wins" at home.
You're taking two completely different criteria and combining them into one talking point
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I just don't feel like winning or losing to top 100 teams or ish is completely awful or helpful. more of an IMO I guess.
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Also OSU is currently 106 in the RPI if they could move into the top 100 that would be 1 or 2 more top 100 RPI wins.
A top 100 home win does nothing for you, so it'd just give us a top 100 road win (still would be nice though). It'd be nice if VT stayed in the top 100 (#96 now).
Any top 100 win does something for you when you're being compared to other bubble teams
You sure about that? I thought only top 50 counted as "good wins" at home.
You're taking two completely different criteria and combining them into one talking point
Let me rephrase: I thought top 50 counted as "good wins" at home, while top 100 qualified for road wins. No?
I.e., the difference would be wins over 51-100 (good on the road, meh at home).
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I just don't feel like winning or losing to top 100 teams or ish is completely awful or helpful. more of an IMO I guess.
I tend to agree. Top 50 wins (or better) and avoid bad losses (100 or worse). Win on the road and at neutral sites. Play a decent OOC. Our resume isn't bad, but still pretty meh, but I think there are a lot of meh resumes right now.
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Also OSU is currently 106 in the RPI if they could move into the top 100 that would be 1 or 2 more top 100 RPI wins.
A top 100 home win does nothing for you, so it'd just give us a top 100 road win (still would be nice though). It'd be nice if VT stayed in the top 100 (#96 now).
Any top 100 win does something for you when you're being compared to other bubble teams
You sure about that? I thought only top 50 counted as "good wins" at home.
You're taking two completely different criteria and combining them into one talking point
Let me rephrase: I thought top 50 counted as "good wins" at home, while top 100 qualified for road wins. No?
I.e., the difference would be wins over 51-100 (good on the road, meh at home).
I've never seen it broken down like that before. All I've seen is # of top 100 wins good, # of top 50 wins better, # of wins good, # of neutral & road wins better
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Also OSU is currently 106 in the RPI if they could move into the top 100 that would be 1 or 2 more top 100 RPI wins.
A top 100 home win does nothing for you, so it'd just give us a top 100 road win (still would be nice though). It'd be nice if VT stayed in the top 100 (#96 now).
Any top 100 win does something for you when you're being compared to other bubble teams
You sure about that? I thought only top 50 counted as "good wins" at home.
You're taking two completely different criteria and combining them into one talking point
Let me rephrase: I thought top 50 counted as "good wins" at home, while top 100 qualified for road wins. No?
I.e., the difference would be wins over 51-100 (good on the road, meh at home).
I've never seen it broken down like that before. All I've seen is # of top 100 wins good, # of top 50 wins better, # of wins good, # of neutral & road wins better
OK. At any rate, go OSU and go VT.