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Thanks man!
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:katpak: for you Mr. Currie.
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Prolly all the Pay Frank shirts that did it.
Currie before the Pay Frank shirts = :dunno:
Currie after = :thumbsup:
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surprised the buyout isn't getting any more discussion than it is. martin is unfireable for the next four years, purely based on financial considerations. was that truly a necessary, or at least acceptable, risk? if it was, shouldn't currie have been able to get more back in a buyout on the other end? 1000-750 k is something, but it's not comparable. it is neither steep enough to dissuade well-heeled schools, nor enough it appreciably upgrade the caliber of new coach that could be hired.
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surprised the buyout isn't getting any more discussion than it is. martin is unfireable for the next four years, purely based on financial considerations. was that truly a necessary, or at least acceptable, risk? if it was, shouldn't currie have been able to get more back in a buyout on the other end? 1000-750 k is something, but it's not comparable. it is neither steep enough to dissuade well-heeled schools, nor enough it appreciably upgrade the caliber of new coach that could be hired.
My guess is we'll resign him before that point comes if he continues to win. If he doesn't, then we don't really have to worry about the aforementioned suitors.
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KK's getting called out by a guy with a screen name of "gitrdone." LOL! What an amazing compliment to KK.
gitrdone!
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Wonder how the idiot in Sec 17 yelling at Currie feels today? Reply
Was posted last night some jerk was screaming at Currie while he was on the court yesterday complaining about no contract with Martin
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Actually I think they're celebrating.
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surprised the buyout isn't getting any more discussion than it is. martin is unfireable for the next four years, purely based on financial considerations. was that truly a necessary, or at least acceptable, risk? if it was, shouldn't currie have been able to get more back in a buyout on the other end? 1000-750 k is something, but it's not comparable. it is neither steep enough to dissuade well-heeled schools, nor enough it appreciably upgrade the caliber of new coach that could be hired.
Yeah, it is a ridic. contract for Frank
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surprised the buyout isn't getting any more discussion than it is. martin is unfireable for the next four years, purely based on financial considerations. was that truly a necessary, or at least acceptable, risk? if it was, shouldn't currie have been able to get more back in a buyout on the other end? 1000-750 k is something, but it's not comparable. it is neither steep enough to dissuade well-heeled schools, nor enough it appreciably upgrade the caliber of new coach that could be hired.
My guess is we'll resign him before that point comes if he continues to win. If he doesn't, then we don't really have to worry about the aforementioned suitors.
what point? the buyout drops to 1 million this spring.
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surprised the buyout isn't getting any more discussion than it is. martin is unfireable for the next four years, purely based on financial considerations. was that truly a necessary, or at least acceptable, risk? if it was, shouldn't currie have been able to get more back in a buyout on the other end? 1000-750 k is something, but it's not comparable. it is neither steep enough to dissuade well-heeled schools, nor enough it appreciably upgrade the caliber of new coach that could be hired.
My guess is we'll resign him before that point comes if he continues to win. If he doesn't, then we don't really have to worry about the aforementioned suitors.
what point? the buyout drops to 1 million this spring.
fairly obvious he's sure Jeff Leabo was getting another year and decided to wait it out.
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surprised the buyout isn't getting any more discussion than it is. martin is unfireable for the next four years, purely based on financial considerations. was that truly a necessary, or at least acceptable, risk? if it was, shouldn't currie have been able to get more back in a buyout on the other end? 1000-750 k is something, but it's not comparable. it is neither steep enough to dissuade well-heeled schools, nor enough it appreciably upgrade the caliber of new coach that could be hired.
My guess is we'll resign him before that point comes if he continues to win. If he doesn't, then we don't really have to worry about the aforementioned suitors.
what point? the buyout drops to 1 million this spring.
fairly obvious he's sure Jeff Leabo was getting another year and decided to wait it out.
auburn basketball :jerk:
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surprised the buyout isn't getting any more discussion than it is. martin is unfireable for the next four years, purely based on financial considerations. was that truly a necessary, or at least acceptable, risk? if it was, shouldn't currie have been able to get more back in a buyout on the other end? 1000-750 k is something, but it's not comparable. it is neither steep enough to dissuade well-heeled schools, nor enough it appreciably upgrade the caliber of new coach that could be hired.
Martin's buyout drops to $1M if he leaves before 4/15/12, $750,000 if before 5/14/13, and $500,000 before 5/14/14. #kstate
so if he were to take a job at the end of next year we would only get $1M in compensation. doesn't sound right but I guess it's better than him being gone in 2 weeks with no buyout. but with that $1M buyout we'd basically get next years coaching staff at half price. that 2013 date is so late in the hiring process there's virtually no chance that we'd lose the $250K.
i do agree the buyout should be much more - maybe 50% more than what it is. makes me a little nervous.
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surprised the buyout isn't getting any more discussion than it is. martin is unfireable for the next four years, purely based on financial considerations. was that truly a necessary, or at least acceptable, risk? if it was, shouldn't currie have been able to get more back in a buyout on the other end? 1000-750 k is something, but it's not comparable. it is neither steep enough to dissuade well-heeled schools, nor enough it appreciably upgrade the caliber of new coach that could be hired.
Martin's buyout drops to $1M if he leaves before 4/15/12, $750,000 if before 5/14/13, and $500,000 before 5/14/14. #kstate
so if he were to take a job at the end of next year we would only get $1M in compensation. doesn't sound right but I guess it's better than him being gone in 2 weeks with no buyout. but with that $1M buyout we'd basically get next years coaching staff at half price. that 2013 date is so late in the hiring process there's virtually no chance that we'd lose the $250K.
i do agree the buyout should be much more - maybe 50% more than what it is. makes me a little nervous.
I'm sure it was a consession Currie had to make. The main thing is we made it heavy on the front end, so at least this year and probably next we're pretty safe. But I'm sure part of the negotiation with doing a staggered increase in salary was to do a staggered decrease in buy out.
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i do agree the buyout should be much more - maybe 50% more than what it is. makes me a little nervous.
Yeah, the fact that it becomes basically meaningless after one season is a little worrisome but if the right school comes calling the money isn't going to be what stops him from going. Maybe a little powertardish here but after the press conference I completely fell into the "Frank Loves Us" trap that I swore I would never fall into. We'll see I guess.
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surprised the buyout isn't getting any more discussion than it is. martin is unfireable for the next four years, purely based on financial considerations. was that truly a necessary, or at least acceptable, risk? if it was, shouldn't currie have been able to get more back in a buyout on the other end? 1000-750 k is something, but it's not comparable. it is neither steep enough to dissuade well-heeled schools, nor enough it appreciably upgrade the caliber of new coach that could be hired.
Martin's buyout drops to $1M if he leaves before 4/15/12, $750,000 if before 5/14/13, and $500,000 before 5/14/14. #kstate
so if he were to take a job at the end of next year we would only get $1M in compensation. doesn't sound right but I guess it's better than him being gone in 2 weeks with no buyout. but with that $1M buyout we'd basically get next years coaching staff at half price. that 2013 date is so late in the hiring process there's virtually no chance that we'd lose the $250K.
i do agree the buyout should be much more - maybe 50% more than what it is. makes me a little nervous.
if it makes you feel any better, we'll likely do something pretty amazing next season for someone to offer enough to get him.
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i do agree the buyout should be much more - maybe 50% more than what it is. makes me a little nervous.
Yeah, the fact that it becomes basically meaningless after one season is a little worrisome but if the right school comes calling the money isn't going to be what stops him from going. Maybe a little powertardish here but after the press conference I completely fell into the "Frank Loves Us" trap that I swore I would never fall into. We'll see I guess.
i know i watched it and i was verklempt. just think how choked up he'll be when he can make twice what he's making to coach back home in Miami. hopefully he's still bitter about how he got railroaded as a HS coach down there and doesn't want to go home.
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Buyouts are total false sense of security, Beilien paid at least part of his own 2+ million buyout just to escape Appalachia!
Only the truly ego driven coaches (Coach K, Stoops, etc) really care about the money once it reaches this level - it is many more times about the support of the AD, etc.
As sys said, the buyout money would be nice for the next coach, but in the two highest profile buyout situations I can remember (Beilien and Rodriguez leaving WVU to UM), they both ended up in court anyways, reducing the actual financial benefit of the buyout.
I think it is not a coincidence that Frank go paid almost identical to Anderson at MU - I think that was part of his ego not wanting to be paid less than a guy he doesn't like (and maybe doesn't respect?)
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Isn't $1-2M a pretty steep buyout for a basketball coach?
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Isn't $1-2M a pretty steep buyout for a basketball coach?
when does the window close for the $2M buyout? next month?
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I mean, what did you guys want? An inclining buyout that starts at $750K and grows to $2M in Year 3? He'd never sign that. A buyout in excess of $2M every year of the deal? Too expensive for us, and still wouldn't dissuade big names from calling for him.
There is absolutely nothing we can do to keep the big boys from calling on him if they want him, so this buyout is pretty irrelevant from that standpoint. Why I think it's good is that it's big enough for the next 2 years to keep the mid-to-high level players at bay (the 2nd tier, we'll say), while becoming increasingly affordable to us if he starts sucking.
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A buyout in excess of $2M every year of the deal? Too expensive for us, and still wouldn't dissuade big names from calling for him.
:confused: Our side of the buyout is $4 million or the entirety of his contract whichever is smaller bro. Other than that, I agree in general on any buyout we have less than $2 million isn't really going to disuade anybody.
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A buyout in excess of $2M every year of the deal? Too expensive for us, and still wouldn't dissuade big names from calling for him.
:confused: Our side of the buyout is $4 million or the entirety of his contract whichever is smaller bro.
Oh. Well, crap then, he better not suck. :ohno:
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I'll never understand the panic the last few weeks, nor do I understand any relief today in regards to Frank Martin's contract. Nothing has changed in terms of the likely hood that he is staying or going after next year...or after this season for that matter. Quite possibly the biggest non-issue talking point in board history.
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I'll never understand the panic the last few weeks, nor do I understand any relief today in regards to Frank Martin's contract. Nothing has changed in terms of the likely hood that he is staying or going after next year...or after this season for that matter. Quite possibly the biggest non-issue talking point in board history.
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Meh, I disagree. I do think it increases the likelihood of him staying the next 2 years at least. Makes it a certainty? Of course not. But increases our chances of continuing to be relevant in basketball quite substantially.
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A buyout in excess of $2M every year of the deal? Too expensive for us, and still wouldn't dissuade big names from calling for him.
:confused: Our side of the buyout is $4 million or the entirety of his contract whichever is smaller bro.
Oh. Well, crap then, he better not suck. :ohno:
Under the circumstances, that is the risk Currie had to take. I don't think Currie had any choice but to fully commit to Frank being the coach at KSU for the next 5 years, regardless if it goes south. So really, the number on KSU's side meaningless; KSU will accept basketball of Tom Asbury quality before it will pay $4M to fire the coach. Heck, I would have taken KSU's number as $1B in order to get $2M if Frank leaves.
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I'll never understand the panic the last few weeks, nor do I understand any relief today in regards to Frank Martin's contract. Nothing has changed in terms of the likely hood that he is staying or going after next year...or after this season for that matter. Quite possibly the biggest non-issue talking point in board history.
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It shows our administration isn't full of complete retards that don't value basketball. That's at least somewhate encouraging.
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the people saying buyouts don't matter are just wrong. they're huge.
i think the buyout drops on may 14. something like that. which is probably the end of the spring signing period. which would make it really difficult for a school to wait for, but not, completely impossible.
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the people saying buyouts don't matter are just wrong. they're huge.
i think the buyout drops on may 14. something like that. which is probably the end of the spring signing period. which would make it really difficult for a school to wait for, but not, completely impossible.
For the future, yeah.
But I think its pretty safe for this year, otherwise they wouldn't have agreed on the date and the 2mil figure. Unless you think Frank at the presser was all a big acting job.
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Frank has many talents, but I'm confident that acting is not one of them.
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Frank has many talents, but I'm confident that acting is not one of them.
yep
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Nice thing about the buyout dropping quickly is it'll give us the opportunity to break out our PAY FRANK shirts and do this all over again. Will goEMAW'rs have gained weight and have to order bigger sizes? Will Pete be ordering a smaller size? Questions abound.
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Nice thing about the buyout dropping quickly is it'll give us the opportunity to break out our PAY FRANK shirts and do this all over again. Will goEMAW'rs have gained weight and have to order bigger sizes? Will Pete be ordering a smaller size? Questions abound.
I will shoe-horn my ass into anything. You should know this by now.
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If Frank gets hired away, it is going to be to a school that isn't worried about how much it costs to get him*. The only difference the buy-out amount makes, is how much KSU will get when Frank gets hired away.
*Miami is the exception, but $1M is probably enough to keep them away from Frank, imo. Not sure if they would pay $750k if Frank is still in the top ten in 2 years.
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But I think its pretty safe for this year, otherwise they wouldn't have agreed on the date and the 2mil figure. Unless you think Frank at the presser was all a big acting job.
yeah, no, i agree. there are very significant barriers to him leaving this spring. and, of course, he didn't need to sign anything if he wanted to look around following this year.
i just think that, given that martin seems relatively content at kstate, and given the very generous terms of the contract otherwise, currie seems like he could have gotten a lot more long-term security for kstate than he did.
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i just think that, given that martin seems relatively content at kstate, and given the very generous terms of the contract otherwise, currie seems like he could have gotten a lot more long-term security for kstate than he did.
I think he was smart not to push the threshold too much.
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i just think that, given that martin seems relatively content at kstate, and given the very generous terms of the contract otherwise, currie seems like he could have gotten a lot more long-term security for kstate than he did.
I think he was smart not to push the threshold too much.
plus, he was under a lot of pressure to get this done asap :users:
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i just think that, given that martin seems relatively content at kstate, and given the very generous terms of the contract otherwise, currie seems like he could have gotten a lot more long-term security for kstate than he did.
I think he was smart not to push the threshold too much.
plus, he was under a lot of pressure to get this done asap :users:
Also true.
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i just think that, given that martin seems relatively content at kstate, and given the very generous terms of the contract otherwise, currie seems like he could have gotten a lot more long-term security for kstate than he did.
I think he was smart not to push the threshold too much.
why? what is smart about it?
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i just think that, given that martin seems relatively content at kstate, and given the very generous terms of the contract otherwise, currie seems like he could have gotten a lot more long-term security for kstate than he did.
I think he was smart not to push the threshold too much.
why? what is smart about it?
I could see Frank getting pissed if Currie tried to shazbot! around too much. Just a hunch. But either way, the deal is fine, so I'm not going to wish for more.
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But either way, the deal is fine, so I'm not going to wish for more.
yeah, i suppose. but what else are we going to talk about, wed. games? pfft.
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i just think that, given that martin seems relatively content at kstate, and given the very generous terms of the contract otherwise, currie seems like he could have gotten a lot more long-term security for kstate than he did.
I think he was smart not to push the threshold too much.
why? what is smart about it?
I never understand having a buyout for less than 1 mil, but I do understand that buyouts are the thing you flex on the most second being incentive percentages. It's very smart to give on something sort of miniscule like that for a big win and a reasonable but not excessive salary.
But either way, the deal is fine, so I'm not going to wish for more.
yeah, i suppose. but what else are we going to talk about, wed. games? pfft.
Of course. How else can I excuse Saturday if I do not hype up the new hot team in the big 12 going into the conference tourney the ISU clones?
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But either way, the deal is fine, so I'm not going to wish for more.
yeah, i suppose. but what else are we going to talk about, wed. games? pfft.
Spring football....
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......ppffffffffffffttttttt lol j/k bro.
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I think he'll be here a long time if he continues to keep us in the top half and we don't dick him over on facilities.
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I think he'll be here a long time if he continues to keep us in the top half and we don't dick him over on facilities.
yeah. honestly, for all the lolling i'm doing at currie for the buyout inequity, martin is not a guy many schools will look at now. his average salary including fairly easy bonuses (ones he's going to make if other schools are going to continue to have any interest in him) is going to be in the 1.7-1.8 range. add a 1 million buyout to that, plus compensation to martin for losing his retention incentives, plus the diff between normal asst coach salaries and what the kstate staff is/will be making - some school is going to be looking at about 2.0-2.5/year over the course of a 5 year contract just to match what kstate is paying.
a school could get a guy with a substantially better resume w. no public relations issues for that kind of money.
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I think he'll be here a long time if he continues to keep us in the top half and we don't dick him over on facilities.
yeah. honestly, for all the lolling i'm doing at currie for the buyout inequity, martin is not a guy many schools will look at now. his average salary including fairly easy bonuses (ones he's going to make if other schools are going to continue to have any interest in him) is going to be in the 1.7-1.8 range. add a 1 million buyout to that, plus compensation to martin for losing his retention incentives, plus the diff between normal asst coach salaries and what the kstate staff is/will be making - some school is going to be looking at about 2.0-2.5/year over the course of a 5 year contract just to match what kstate is paying.
a school could get a guy with a substantially better resume w. no public relations issues for that kind of money.
Great breakdown. I'm happy where we are at.
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I think he'll be here a long time if he continues to keep us in the top half and we don't dick him over on facilities.
yeah. honestly, for all the lolling i'm doing at currie for the buyout inequity, martin is not a guy many schools will look at now. his average salary including fairly easy bonuses (ones he's going to make if other schools are going to continue to have any interest in him) is going to be in the 1.7-1.8 range. add a 1 million buyout to that, plus compensation to martin for losing his retention incentives, plus the diff between normal asst coach salaries and what the kstate staff is/will be making - some school is going to be looking at about 2.0-2.5/year over the course of a 5 year contract just to match what kstate is paying.
a school could get a guy with a substantially better resume w. no public relations issues for that kind of money.
Great breakdown. I'm happy where we are at.
just realized i counted the retention bonuses twice. oh well, doesn't change the numbers that much.
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I think he'll be here a long time if he continues to keep us in the top half and we don't dick him over on facilities.
yeah. honestly, for all the lolling i'm doing at currie for the buyout inequity, martin is not a guy many schools will look at now. his average salary including fairly easy bonuses (ones he's going to make if other schools are going to continue to have any interest in him) is going to be in the 1.7-1.8 range. add a 1 million buyout to that, plus compensation to martin for losing his retention incentives, plus the diff between normal asst coach salaries and what the kstate staff is/will be making - some school is going to be looking at about 2.0-2.5/year over the course of a 5 year contract just to match what kstate is paying.
a school could get a guy with a substantially better resume w. no public relations issues for that kind of money.
There you go.
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"I know [DePaul] reached out to Frank Martin before he re-signed with Kansas State," Gottlieb said Monday on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/190/gottlieb-uteps-barbee-likely-depaul-coach
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depaul is a bad job to start with. heard somewhere that they were looking for a cheap hire and wanted to retain some of the current staff too.
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Welp...that's number 1 on the counter of teams Frank turned down...
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Barbee, 38, took over at UTEP in 2006. The Miners have improved in each of his four seasons.
Am shocked Doc left the cupboard as bare as he did.