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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Pendergast on January 10, 2012, 09:21:45 PM
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That sucked. I blame sys.
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I blame Angel.
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blame the refs 1st, the sad, stupid townie crowd 2nd. i did my part.
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blame the refs 1st, the sad, stupid townie crowd 2nd. i did my part.
Trying not to blame the refs, but they did suck hard.
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That one is going to hurt later in the year. Blew it.
Crowd looked horrible
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Trying not to blame the refs, but they did suck hard.
of course they did. if you don't call a dog, he's not going to come. if you don't boo a ref, he's going to eff you.
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I blame coaching. Martin needs to use a high successful in bounds play. We didn't even get a rough ridin' shot off!! I'm not blaming refs like a KU fan
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I blame coaching. Martin needs to use a high successful in bounds play. We didn't even get a rough ridin' shot off!! I'm not blaming refs like a KU fan
we had a pg get within a step of the rim with no defender near him. did you want a play diagrammed that would entice the entire baylor team to guard their own basket?
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I blame coaching. Martin needs to use a high successful in bounds play. We didn't even get a rough ridin' shot off!! I'm not blaming refs like a KU fan
we had a pg get within a step of the rim with no defender near him. did you want a play diagrammed that would entice the entire baylor team to guard their own basket?
a faster (fast) pg would have gotten to the rim, and hopefully made the bucket.
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WTF IS UP WITH THE CROWD? They were rabid last year and a bunch of PUSSIES this year??? :facepalm:
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Going to be ugly in Waco, I would say they are going to murder us but, you know.
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Ok. But that didn't happen therefore Martin should have a better in bounds play drawn up for this kind of situation. Didn't we have one more time out left with 3 and a half seconds left?
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:lol:
JamGoat had as much chance at that ball as sys has of becoming baptist.
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no
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Noshit! Thank you.
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stop rough ridin' merging non-related threads tuckmods.
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Ok. But that didn't happen therefore Martin should have a better in bounds play drawn up for this kind of situation. Didn't we have one more time out left with 3 and a half seconds left?
Neither team had a timeout with 3 seconds left.
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We just lost to Baylor...rough ridin' Baylor. How embarrassing.
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the play wasn't the problem. inbounder needs to hit the 2nd or 3rd option when samuels gets held/stuck on his curl.
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I think I might be getting a divorce. The wife came in after the game and said "Baylor had more to lose." :chainsaw: :curse:
I did not have a mature response.
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the play wasn't the problem. inbounder needs to hit the 2nd or 3rd option when samuels gets held/stuck on his curl.
Clearly was instructed to throw to the rim, respect.
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the play wasn't the problem. inbounder needs to hit the 2nd or 3rd option when samuels gets held/stuck on his curl.
Clearly was instructed to throw to the rim, respect.
if you've ever watched us play before, you've seen the play. and seen it go past the first option.
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Frank didn't have his guards ready. His angry subbing is forcing us to have inexperience on the floor late.
This one's on Frank.
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the play wasn't the problem. inbounder needs to hit the 2nd or 3rd option when samuels gets held/stuck on his curl.
Clearly was instructed to throw to the rim, respect.
if you've ever watched us play before, you've seen the play. and seen it go past the first option.
Of course I have. Which is why I'm confident on this instance the guy was instructed to throw at the rim come hell or high water, because there is no way he was Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) enough to think it was actually open.
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dumb play, why run a play knowing you're going to the 2nd or 3rd option as the 1st option?
running a lob to a 6'4" jamar into a very long athletic baylor was stupid.
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the play wasn't the problem. inbounder needs to hit the 2nd or 3rd option when samuels gets held/stuck on his curl.
Clearly was instructed to throw to the rim, respect.
if you've ever watched us play before, you've seen the play. and seen it go past the first option.
Of course I have. Which is why I'm confident on this instance the guy was instructed to throw at the rim come hell or high water, because there is no way he was Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) enough to think it was actually open.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I saw Frank say exactly that in the time out just prior to that final inbound play.
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Seeing you all complain about the officials is laughable. You guys were in the freaking double bonus with 10:16 left in the second half. At that point the fouls were 27-13, and free throw attempts were 21-9. Gripe all you want, but Baylor came into your house and beat you despite being screwed to the wall by the refs. Should be a great game in Waco...looking forward to it.
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I understand what play they were trying to run, I know Henriquez's hands are not the best, but eff. He's taller, Lon it up to him around the rim!
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Seeing you all complain about the officials is laughable. You guys were in the freaking double bonus with 10:16 left in the second half. At that point the fouls were 27-13, and free throw attempts were 21-9. Gripe all you want, but Baylor came into your house and beat you despite being screwed to the wall by the refs. Should be a great game in Waco...looking forward to it.
Give some examples of fouls called on Baylor that weren't completely obvious.
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Officials sucked both way. They benefited us heavily until the end. Take it to the phog if you want to blame the refs.
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Let's see....the "charge" near the end that Spradling took...at least three calls on Jackson accounted for by all the fans that cried at the slightest bit of pressure......the three pointer and one call........etc. My point is not that Baylor didn't get away with any calls, it's that if you look at the stats, K-State clearly had more calls.
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Let's see....the "charge" near the end that Spradling took...at least three calls on Jackson accounted for by all the fans that cried at the slightest bit of pressure......the three pointer and one call........etc. My point is not that Baylor didn't get away with any calls, it's that if you look at the stats, K-State clearly had more calls.
obviously that's because baylor had more fouls.
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Let's see....the "charge" near the end that Spradling took...at least three calls on Jackson accounted for by all the fans that cried at the slightest bit of pressure......the three pointer and one call........etc. My point is not that Baylor didn't get away with any calls, it's that if you look at the stats, K-State clearly had more calls.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Personally, I blame the 20 turnovers. But that's just me.
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Let's see....the "charge" near the end that Spradling took...at least three calls on Jackson accounted for by all the fans that cried at the slightest bit of pressure......the three pointer and one call........etc. My point is not that Baylor didn't get away with any calls, it's that if you look at the stats, K-State clearly had more calls.
wow, the stupidest person in the world is now on goEMAW. another messageboard win.
:flush:
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For one of the few times since he's been here, I blame Frank for this one.
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Officials sucked both way. They benefited us heavily until the end. Take it to the phog if you want to blame the refs.
well, well, well. looks like stevesie is the first apathetic townie home from the game. girlfriend didn't let you hit bobby t's for a postgame cocktail, stevesie?
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My only saving grace from this game was going to be a classic sys meltdown--a sysdown.
But this sysdown is depressingly underwhelming.
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Officials sucked both way. They benefited us heavily until the end. Take it to the phog if you want to blame the refs.
well, well, well. looks like stevesie is the first apathetic townie home from the game. girlfriend didn't let you hit bobby t's for a postgame cocktail, stevesie?
Wife. But besides that, spot on.
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this sysdown is depressingly underwhelming.
i'm too happy with the state of kstate men's bball to really meltdown. i'm sure zacker or dax or _fan will be along eventually to meltdown for your amusement.
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Every Angel Rodriguez turnover resulted in a transition basket for Baylor. And there were numerous Angel Rodriguez turnovers.
There is no reason for him to be in the game down the stretch with his idiotic play tonight. None.
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this sysdown is depressingly underwhelming.
i'm too happy with the state of kstate men's bball to really meltdown. i'm sure zacker or dax or _fan will be along eventually to meltdown for your amusement.
Dude, you always sysdown after Baylor losses.
As an aside: dax's meltdowns are never amusing.
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Personally, I blame the 20 turnovers. But that's just me.
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Every Angel Rodriguez turnover resulted in a transition basket for Baylor. And there were numerous Angel Rodriguez turnovers.
There is no reason for him to be in the game down the stretch with his idiotic play tonight. None.
the 3 he hit, the foul he drew right after, the getting to the rim and throwing it 2 inches to low, the getting to the rim and losing the ball right before he would have had a game tieing layup?
i mean, c'mon. he was inches away from winning that game on like 5 plays. yeah, he mumped up. he's a freshman playing against a team with 2 lottery picks and a bunch of other solid college players. you won't deserve the next 3 years of teamar-t if you bitch about him now.
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sys, quit loving baylor, hate on them more. tia.
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Dude, you always sysdown after Baylor losses.
i don't see kstate missing the tournament from here until martin leaves. and miami just hired a new coach and martin's name is a little muddy from beasley going public. things look awfully good.
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Dude, you always sysdown after Baylor losses.
i don't see kstate missing the tournament from here until martin leaves. and miami just hired a new coach and martin's name is a little muddy from beasley going public. things look awfully good.
I would like this post any other night. Tonight? No, hate on stuff more, aside from the expectedly townie crowd.
I want you to be happy, man, and I feel like you're keeping your true emotions bottled up dangerously.
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hate on stuff more.
sorry. i promise to meltdown if we lose to isu or a&m at home. maybe even a little on the road.
have you thought about next year? we'll have to see who baylor loses, but, that's our year.
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hate on stuff more.
sorry. i promise to meltdown if we lose to isu or a&m at home. maybe even a little on the road.
have you thought about next year? we'll have to see who baylor loses, but, that's our year.
OK, if you're happy I'm happy. And honestly I haven't thought about next year much. We get rid of Jamar finally, right?
WHAT, YEAH I SAID IT AGAIN.
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Every Angel Rodriguez turnover resulted in a transition basket for Baylor. And there were numerous Angel Rodriguez turnovers.
There is no reason for him to be in the game down the stretch with his idiotic play tonight. None.
the 3 he hit, the foul he drew right after, the getting to the rim and throwing it 2 inches to low, the getting to the rim and losing the ball right before he would have had a game tieing layup?
i mean, c'mon. he was inches away from winning that game on like 5 plays. yeah, he mumped up. he's a freshman playing against a team with 2 lottery picks and a bunch of other solid college players. you won't deserve the next 3 years of teamar-t if you bitch about him now.
Four careless turnovers in twelve minutes of limited action is totally inexcusable. Sorry.
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Four careless turnovers in twelve minutes of limited action is totally inexcusable. Sorry.
i just excused it, besides they weren't all careless.
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Four careless turnovers in twelve minutes of limited action is totally inexcusable. Sorry.
i just excused it, besides they weren't all careless.
If he could've just gotten the ball a little higher on the oop to JO... oh man...
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Four careless turnovers in twelve minutes of limited action is totally inexcusable. Sorry.
i just excused it, besides they weren't all careless.
Angel's two turnovers in the last two minutes are the definition of careless. The 1-3 free throws and errant inbounds pass was just the icing on the cake.
But, this is what happens when you rely on unseasoned, mistake prone players to win against good teams.
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Frank waiting 20 minutes of game time too long to take the ball out of Jacksons hands cost us the game, turnovers hurt obviously but Jackson killed us. We are consistently late to adjust to a dynamic pg.
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hate on stuff more.
sorry. i promise to meltdown if we lose to isu or a&m at home. maybe even a little on the road.
have you thought about next year? we'll have to see who baylor loses, but, that's our year.
OK, if you're happy I'm happy. And honestly I haven't thought about next year much. We get rid of Jamar finally, right?
WHAT, YEAH I SAID IT AGAIN.
Looking forward to this. eff you tards defending him
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Not Frank's fault the guards kept giving Baylor run outs.
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hate on stuff more.
sorry. i promise to meltdown if we lose to isu or a&m at home. maybe even a little on the road.
have you thought about next year? we'll have to see who baylor loses, but, that's our year.
OK, if you're happy I'm happy. And honestly I haven't thought about next year much. We get rid of Jamar finally, right?
WHAT, YEAH I SAID IT AGAIN.
Man, I am fighting any Jamar hate inside and trying to appreciate what he brings, but the never finishing at the rim thing is killing me.
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don't hate the player, etc. he is what he is for eff's sake. be mad at yourself for not recognizing what he is and if you want be mad at Frank for having to depend on a undersized 4 man against a front line of NBA players that's fine too.
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don't hate the player, etc. he is what he is for eff's sake. be mad at yourself for not recognizing what he is and if you want be mad at Frank for having to depend on a undersized 4 man against a front line of NBA players that's fine too.
:dubious:
I'm fine with him sucking, there's no excuse for missing a god damn uncontested layup all the rough ridin' time though
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don't hate the player, etc. he is what he is for eff's sake. be mad at yourself for not recognizing what he is and if you want be mad at Frank for having to depend on a undersized 4 man against a front line of NBA players that's fine too.
:dubious:
I'm fine with him sucking, there's no excuse for missing a god damn uncontested layup all the rough ridin' time though
The one where he completely blew by Jones and then missed at the rim with some sort of triple pump move... ouch.
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The real tragedy was not getting a nice "Just like football" chant going. Then again, that shitty townie crowd probably wouldn't have been able to pull it off.
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don't hate the player, etc. he is what he is for eff's sake. be mad at yourself for not recognizing what he is and if you want be mad at Frank for having to depend on a undersized 4 man against a front line of NBA players that's fine too.
:dubious:
I'm fine with him sucking, there's no excuse for missing a god damn uncontested layup all the rough ridin' time though
The one where he completely blew by Jones and then missed at the rim with some sort of triple pump move... ouch.
Oh you mean the one where I was explaining why I hate Jamar sometimes at the exact same time that he did that, and then I simply stopped talking and pointed at the TV?
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don't hate the player, etc. he is what he is for eff's sake. be mad at yourself for not recognizing what he is and if you want be mad at Frank for having to depend on a undersized 4 man against a front line of NBA players that's fine too.
:dubious:
I'm fine with him sucking, there's no excuse for missing a god damn uncontested layup all the rough ridin' time though
The one where he completely blew by Jones and then missed at the rim with some sort of triple pump move... ouch.
signature move
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I was holding my breath when Gip got called for that travel at the end too, didn't know if Jamar would be able to finish that 1 off with 0 Baylor defenders in the lane
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So I'm hoping Jams sees on film those two Baylor players protecting the ball by going under the rim to score and emulates it. Sure would have been nice if he had hit one of his uncontested 3s, too.
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I hate Jamar haters. All of you. He had one bad layup last night. Christ.
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He has 1 or more every night. Sometimes 3 or 4. It's not a matter of him trying to be something he's not, it's a matter of being able to make a wide rough ridin' open layup w/o auditioning for the special olympics when he goes up
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Constructive criticism and hate are not the same thing. :jerk:
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Here's some constructive criticism for JamSam: DUNK THE rough ridin' BALL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU CANNOT MAKE A LAYUP.
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Here's some constructive criticism for JamSam: DUNK THE rough ridin' BALL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU CANNOT MAKE A LAYUP.
EXACTLY. BECAUSE IT'S SO EASY TO JUST DUNK A BASKETBALL.
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PP: shane looked adorable per usual last night.
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I hate Jamar haters. All of you. He had one bad layup last night. Christ.
That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said, RustyKSU.
don't hate the player, etc. he is what he is for eff's sake. be mad at yourself for not recognizing what he is and if you want be mad at Frank for having to depend on a undersized 4 man against a front line of NBA players that's fine too.
The problem isn't a failure to recognize that he "is what he is." The problem is that he is what he has been for 4 years now.
And consistently failing to finish at the rim (contested or otherwise) simply ups the animosity/frustration levels appropriately.
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i like jamar. don't understand the hate he gets here either. but then i realize that 95% of you don't know crap about basketball. and then i understand it.
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i like jamar. don't understand the hate he gets here either. but then i realize that 95% of you don't know crap about basketball. and then i understand it.
You don't have to know crap about basketball, or have a functional god damn brain for that matter, to know he is complete crap at finishing a play or being able to convert a wide-open uncontested layup
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i like jamar. don't understand the hate he gets here either. but then i realize that 95% of you don't know crap about basketball. and then i understand it.
You don't have to know crap about basketball, or have a functional god damn brain for that matter, to know he is complete crap at finishing a play or being able to convert a wide-open uncontested layup
that's ok, if that's how you feel. i won't tell you how to feel.
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i like jamar. don't understand the hate he gets here either. but then i realize that 95% of you don't know crap about basketball. and then i understand it.
You don't have to know crap about basketball, or have a functional god damn brain for that matter, to know he is complete crap at finishing a play or being able to convert a wide-open uncontested layup
that's ok, if that's how you feel. i won't tell you how to feel.
I wasn't aware that how I felt while watching a game would affect Jamar's ability to finish inside 2 feet.
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i like jamar. don't understand the hate he gets here either. but then i realize that 95% of you don't know crap about basketball. and then i understand it.
You don't have to know crap about basketball, or have a functional god damn brain for that matter, to know he is complete crap at finishing a play or being able to convert a wide-open uncontested layup
that's ok, if that's how you feel. i won't tell you how to feel.
I wasn't aware that how I felt while watching a game would affect Jamar's ability to finish inside 2 feet.
ohhh, great talking point!
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I've got an idea, lets hate Martavious because he messes up a fast break like every single game. I know he does tons of stuff well, but JFC. :jerk:
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I'm not asking Jamar to come out and put up 20/10 every single game, just MAKE A GOD DAMN WIDE OPEN rough ridin' UNCONTESTED GOD DAMN LAYUP! I know he does a lot good for us but jfc it gets old game after game after game...somebody has got to tell him to quit being a dumbass at some point I would think
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Jamar shoots 49% from 2. It could be a little better, but that's better than Gipson. eff your stupid eye tests.
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Jamar shoots 49% from 2. It could be a little better, but that's better than Gipson. eff your stupid eye tests.
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Jamar shoots 49% from 2. It could be a little better, but that's better than Gipson. eff your stupid eye tests.
The problem is it was 53% as a FR and 58% as a SO. No one is asking him to be more than he is, just be what he's shown he can be. I guess 49% is better than the 45% he shot from 2 last year. I don't think its too much to critique that part of his game, especially in his SR year after he's shown he can be better than a 50% shooter on 2s. I love his energy and his defense and his rebounding. He played really, really hard last night, I will never fault his effort, I just wish he was a better finisher and didn't change his shot in mid-air when he didn't need to. That's all.
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Jamar shoots 49% from 2. It could be a little better, but that's better than Gipson. eff your stupid eye tests.
About 49% at the rim sounds about right. It's not like I'm sitting here bitching saying...man I wish he got more rebounds, wish he blocked more shots, wish he played better defense, wish...noone is saying that or bitching about anything else he does Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). QUIT BEING A DUMBFUCK AT THE RIM AND MAKE A rough ridin' UNCONTESTED LAYUP!!!
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Jamar shoots 49% from 2. It could be a little better, but that's better than Gipson. eff your stupid eye tests.
The problem is it was 53% as a FR and 58% as a SO. No one is asking him to be more than he is, just be what he's shown he can be. I guess 49% is better than the 45% he shot from 2 last year. I don't think its too much to critique that part of his game, especially in his SR year after he's shown he can be better than a 50% shooter on 2s..I just wish he was a better finisher and didn't change his shot in mid-air when he didn't need to. That's all.
good points, but Jamar's inside shots get way more attention than they deserve.
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Jamar shoots 49% from 2. It could be a little better, but that's better than Gipson. eff your stupid eye tests.
The problem is it was 53% as a FR and 58% as a SO. No one is asking him to be more than he is, just be what he's shown he can be. I guess 49% is better than the 45% he shot from 2 last year. I don't think its too much to critique that part of his game, especially in his SR year after he's shown he can be better than a 50% shooter on 2s..I just wish he was a better finisher and didn't change his shot in mid-air when he didn't need to. That's all.
good points, but Jamar's inside shots get way more attention than they deserve.
The problem isn't a failure to recognize that he "is what he is." The problem is that he is what he has been for 4 years now.
:popcorn:
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Jamar shoots 49% from 2. It could be a little better, but that's better than Gipson. eff your stupid eye tests.
The problem is it was 53% as a FR and 58% as a SO. No one is asking him to be more than he is, just be what he's shown he can be. I guess 49% is better than the 45% he shot from 2 last year. I don't think its too much to critique that part of his game, especially in his SR year after he's shown he can be better than a 50% shooter on 2s..I just wish he was a better finisher and didn't change his shot in mid-air when he didn't need to. That's all.
good points, but Jamar's inside shots get way more attention than they deserve.
The problem isn't a failure to recognize that he "is what he is." The problem is that he is what he has been for 4 years now.
:popcorn:
If Jamar was SO Jamar (offensively) there would be far fewer complaints.
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Jamar shoots 49% from 2. It could be a little better, but that's better than Gipson. eff your stupid eye tests.
The problem is it was 53% as a FR and 58% as a SO. No one is asking him to be more than he is, just be what he's shown he can be. I guess 49% is better than the 45% he shot from 2 last year. I don't think its too much to critique that part of his game, especially in his SR year after he's shown he can be better than a 50% shooter on 2s..I just wish he was a better finisher and didn't change his shot in mid-air when he didn't need to. That's all.
good points, but Jamar's inside shots get way more attention than they deserve.
The problem isn't a failure to recognize that he "is what he is." The problem is that he is what he has been for 4 years now.
:popcorn:
If Jamar was SO Jamar (offensively) there would be far fewer complaints.
Yeah, I was just making the overall point that he has not progressed from what we saw from him as an underclassman. 3-4 years ago we were giddy about the prospects of SR Jamar.
That giddiness is a faded memory.
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Jamar seems to shoot his free throws much better this year, which is encouraging. Maybe one of you stats guru's can confirm.
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Man. The 'tuck Jr's that sit behind me in Sect 17 agree w/ the Jamar haters. The hayseed hate was overflowing last night. Not just for Jamar, either. One tuck Jr was constantly yelling at JO and Frank that he was right all along as far as the ability of JO. Apparently, this tuck Jr told Frank and JO, back when JO was a frosh, that JO would never be good. :horrorsurprise:
Also, 'tuck Jr's have a real hard time understanding college defense vs what they played in their 3 on 3 half court hayseed league in high school.
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Jamar seems to shoot his free throws much better this year, which is encouraging. Maybe one of you stats guru's can confirm.
Stanbot stated that "Jamar Samuels is comfortable at the free throw line" last night. :surprised:
Showing my lack of basketball foresight, I thought getting them out of the zone would help. Guess not...
They're much more talented than us, we played tough. I didn't leave too disappointed.
Pierre Jackson completely changes this team. Best team they've had at Baylor in the Scott Drew era. I still think he is a highly overrated coach though.
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Scott Drew srsly threatening to out-MackBrown Rick Barnes here.
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We should call more dunk shot plays.
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Fake dunk, shoot open jumper, stroke the homie.
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Fake dunk, shoot open jumper, stroke the homie.
Gotta play above the rim.
Fake dunk, fake jumper, drop step, DUNK SHOT, HOLLER, pose.
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Yes that play is better than mine, does anyone have frank's email address?
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Yes that play is better than mine, does anyone have frank's email address?
[email protected]
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Man. The 'tuck Jr's that sit behind me in Sect 17 agree w/ the Jamar haters. The hayseed hate was overflowing last night. Not just for Jamar, either. One tuck Jr was constantly yelling at JO and Frank that he was right all along as far as the ability of JO. Apparently, this tuck Jr told Frank and JO, back when JO was a frosh, that JO would never be good. :horrorsurprise:
if those assholes would boo a rough ridin' ref instead of attacking kstate wildcat basketball players, kstate would be 2-1 right now.
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Jamar seems to shoot his free throws much better this year, which is encouraging. Maybe one of you stats guru's can confirm.
#1 FTr in the conference
#4 FTA in the conference
#5 FTM in the conference