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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on January 07, 2012, 07:39:39 PM
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1st Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 33 1.33 63.8% 18.1% 38.5% 34.5%
Opp 33 0.75 29.5% 27.1% 31.3% 72.7%
2nd Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 33 0.93 41.1% 24.1% 44.4% 39.3%
Opp 33 1.02 48.1% 15.0% 11.8% 33.3%
Total Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 67 1.12 52.6% 20.9% 41.9% 36.8%
Opp 67 0.88 39.8% 20.9% 21.2% 51.0%
Really nice win. The offense in the first half was really good, they couldn't defend with man or zone. Defense was equally impressive, it was fun watching Frank's funnel to the basket to get swatted defense work to perfection against MU's little guards.
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would have been nice to foul less. they did well with opp ftr against howard and ku. if they can limit that (compared to previous years) while maintaining the aggression, they can really be good.
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Also, Frank's 6th win over a Top 10 team.
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Seemed like MU gave up the high post and middle of the lane really easily. Like, we shot there all day.
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well. mr. pomeroy's computer liked today's win. 16 overall and 9th defensively.
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Also, Frank's 6th win over a Top 10 team.
3rd win over a team that came into conference play undefeated.
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would have been nice to foul less. they did well with opp ftr against howard and ku. if they can limit that (compared to previous years) while maintaining the aggression, they can really be good.
It would be nice to foul less, but not too big of a deal to me. The benefits of playing that style of defense (eFG% and TO% for MU) is probably going to put your into situations where you foul. Plus its a sign we were playing agressive, unlike our soft performance in Lawrence. Granted, it could get us in trouble on the road.
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well. mr. pomeroy's computer liked today's win. 16 overall and 9th defensively.
wow
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Where does kenpom have our chances of beating Baylor?
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Where does kenpom have our chances of beating Baylor?
61%. i think it was like 53% or so prior to the mu game. something like that. maybe 47%.
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Where does kenpom have our chances of beating Baylor?
61%. i think it was like 53% or so prior to the mu game. something like that. maybe 47%.
:emawkid:
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Where does kenpom have our chances of beating Baylor?
61%. i think it was like 53% or so prior to the mu game. something like that. maybe 47%.
:emawkid:
actually has us favored in the next nine games. jesus. could you even imagine?
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Buckle up boys
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actually has us favored in the next nine games. jesus. could you even imagine?
hadn't really looked at that. after baylor the schedule gets really soft till ku again.
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actually has us favored in the next nine games. jesus. could you even imagine?
hadn't really looked at that. after baylor the schedule gets really soft till ku again.
Oh man Cats 10-1 with the Hawks coming into the OOD :love:
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would have been nice to foul less. they did well with opp ftr against howard and ku. if they can limit that (compared to previous years) while maintaining the aggression, they can really be good.
without the FTR the first half would have been as close to a perfect defensive performance as i have seen. Samuels and Henriquez were disciplined maintaining help relationship resulting in dominating team performance in the points-in-the-paint category. i guess a positive from the poor FTR is that we might not be able to foul them more on the road than we did at home.
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actually has us favored in the next nine games. jesus. could you even imagine?
hadn't really looked at that. after baylor the schedule gets really soft till ku again.
Oh man Cats 10-1 with the Hawks coming into the OOD :love:
Oh my....what are the predictions on lil bro record wise? Conf #1 matchup?
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actually has us favored in the next nine games. jesus. could you even imagine?
hadn't really looked at that. after baylor the schedule gets really soft till ku again.
Oh man Cats 10-1 with the Hawks coming into the OOD :love:
Oh my....what are the predictions on lil bro record wise? Conf #1 matchup?
Hopefully they would also be 10-1. It would feel like the game was for all the marbles if that were the case.
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Oh my....what are the predictions on lil bro record wise? Conf #1 matchup?
Projected record: 25-6 15-3
Chance of unbeaten record: 1.9%
Predicted to win every game except
Sat Feb 4 9 Missouri L, 74-73 71 47% Away
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Wow. Let's destroy Baylor.
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Speaking of advanced stats, kenpom's explanation of Wisconsin at #2 in his system is entertaining.
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Sat Feb 4 9 Missouri L, 74-73 71 47% Away
Do you have any idea how angered up I would be if we lose to MU by 1 point?
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Speaking of advanced stats, kenpom's explanation of Wisconsin at #2 in his system is entertaining.
If you are going to trash the entire system based on the biggest outlier over the last six years, I suspect you had no desire to use the system in the first place. Either that, or your team is ranked lower than you think it should be.
get'em kenneth
Q. When are you going to fix this?
First off, I’m not sure it can be fixed. I mean, sure I can fix it so Wisconsin is ranked more reasonably. I could add some code to my algorithm like this…
if Wisconsin:
do something to fix Wisconsin
else:
do normal calculations
heh
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Love his defense in using an If/Then statement.
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Part of me can't wait until Wiscy goes to the final four, letting KenPem clownsuit everyone. The other part of me remembers my tears on March 19, 2011.
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Sat Feb 4 9 Missouri L, 74-73 71 47% Away
Do you have any idea how angered up I would be if we lose to MU by 1 point?
That's the prediction for KU @ MU.
Speaking of advanced stats, kenpom's explanation of Wisconsin at #2 in his system is entertaining.
I enjoyed most of it, but he never addressed a possible issue that somehow Big 10 teams are more heavily favored than they should be in his system (4 teams in the top 8)
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Speaking of advanced stats, kenpom's explanation of Wisconsin at #2 in his system is entertaining.
If you are going to trash the entire system based on the biggest outlier over the last six years, I suspect you had no desire to use the system in the first place. Either that, or your team is ranked lower than you think it should be.
get'em kenneth
Q. When are you going to fix this?
First off, I’m not sure it can be fixed. I mean, sure I can fix it so Wisconsin is ranked more reasonably. I could add some code to my algorithm like this…
if Wisconsin:
do something to fix Wisconsin
else:
do normal calculations
heh
That sounds like something college football fans wanted the BCS to do to K-State since we "shouldn't have won" most of our games. Granted, Wisky is a different case since they aren't winning.
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Speaking of advanced stats, kenpom's explanation of Wisconsin at #2 in his system is entertaining.
If you are going to trash the entire system based on the biggest outlier over the last six years, I suspect you had no desire to use the system in the first place. Either that, or your team is ranked lower than you think it should be.
get'em kenneth
Q. When are you going to fix this?
First off, I’m not sure it can be fixed. I mean, sure I can fix it so Wisconsin is ranked more reasonably. I could add some code to my algorithm like this…
if Wisconsin:
do something to fix Wisconsin
else:
do normal calculations
heh
Ken Pomeroy :flush:
This is a huge win for me. His pompous ass response is even more win for me. His outlier isn't like a team with 4 early losses in the top 20, Wisconsin being where they are is a giant flaw in his rankings. I dont have a problem with him using statistical formulas to determine how good a team is and he wouldnt have an earthly clue as to what to do with game tape. My problem is his attitude. I'll continue to get my advanced stats from the free and infinitely superior statsheet, they have individual websites and extensive historical info for every team, while simps continue to eat the BS he feeds.
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I enjoyed most of it, but he never addressed a possible issue that somehow Big 10 teams are more heavily favored than they should be in his system (4 teams in the top 8)
nor should he. they aren't related. wisconsin is highly rated because they beat the fuckshit out of bad teams, osu is highly rated because they beat the fuckshit out of bad teams, and also out of nw and duke and only lost to good teams on the road, msu and indiana are highly rated because they've beaten a lot of good teams and only lost a small number of games to other good teams. there is little reason to think that any of the teams other than wisconsin are misrated.
the flaw in pomeroy's ratings is that mov* between two teams of very dissimilar quality is not as useful as a predictor as mov between teams of similar quality.
* - doesn't actually use mov, i know. don't care.
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i like looking at kenpoms conference only #s
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i like looking at kenpoms conference only #s
This. It's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to look at KenPom early on in conf play for obvious reasons.
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I enjoyed most of it, but he never addressed a possible issue that somehow Big 10 teams are more heavily favored than they should be in his system (4 teams in the top 8)
nor should he. they aren't related. wisconsin is highly rated because they beat the fuckshit out of bad teams, osu is highly rated because they beat the fuckshit out of bad teams, and also out of nw and duke and only lost to good teams on the road, msu and indiana are highly rated because they've beaten a lot of good teams and only lost a small number of games to other good teams. there is little reason to think that any of the teams other than wisconsin are misrated.
OK, i agree with what you're saying, but you know who else beat the fuckshit out of a combination of bad teams and some good teams, with no bad losses? Missouri, Baylor, Georgetown, Alabama, or even Marquette, etc. And they are all rated below those 4 Big 10 teams. I'm just curious IF there is some reason hidden somewhere in his formulas for the excessively heavy Big 10 presence at the top. :dunno:
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robert scored some great seats... must be in charge of the stationary bicycles :cheers:
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