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It seems like in games like this he always lays down and stops being his usual fiery self. That is the opposite of what the team needs. FP
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Do his teams ever not completely crap their pants in the first 10 minutes at AFH? I mean...really.
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It seems like in games like this he always lays down and stops being his usual fiery self. That is the opposite of what the team needs. FP
I agree. Especially because there's no player on the team that will get fiery and vocal. Disappointing.
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Yelling won't help when they shoot 12%
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I don't think it matters what he does. We are going to get destroyed either way.
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Yelling won't help when they shoot 12%
Same thing every year, they come out on fire and we crap the bed and spot em a 20 point lead
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They're probably afraid that the old barn will collapse, I guess. Once they hang out for a while and gain some confidence in the structural integrity, they'll be fine.
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If we are going to get destroyed I would rather him play Frank ball and sub people every mistake.
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It really is odd. Maybe the smell of that place just gets to them. :dunno:
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Gettin raped down low
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What a joke of a game. We are pathetic. :(
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I think the players don't know how to respond and readjust with out frank yelling because that's what he always does. Then games like this he just shuts up and it keeps getting worse and worse. Major flaw with frank
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Shooting isn't the problem. The pathetic f'n rebounding and no hustle is the problem.
And why the eff is Gipson even attempting to guard T-Rob or Withey? And Nino Williams? What the hell is this game?
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Typical K-State performance in Allen.
We're complete pussies at every level. What's there to say?
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I think the players don't know how to respond and readjust with out frank yelling because that's what he always does. Then games like this he just shuts up and it keeps getting worse and worse. Major flaw with frank
He's saving his breath, they wouldn't hear him anyway.
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Shooting isn't the problem. The pathetic f'n rebounding and no hustle is the problem.
And why the eff is Gipson even attempting to guard T-Rob or Withey? And Nino Williams? What the hell is this game?
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If they shot better, they would have more points and have to rebound less.
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Shooting isn't the problem. The pathetic f'n rebounding and no hustle is the problem.
And why the eff is Gipson even attempting to guard T-Rob or Withey? And Nino Williams? What the hell is this game?
Nino Williams is from the KC area, so he probably cares about this game more than most. He's a decent shooter too, I think (shooting seemed to be our biggest problem in the 1st half). Seemed logical to me.
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Anyone else notice on this run frank has been more animated? It's either that or he ceremonially sacrificed Vulture at halftime
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Pretty sweet timing there...going with the zone just as Teahan (who does nothing but shoot 3s) came into the game. Instant backfire.
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Pathetic
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Frank has them coming out of the gate in conference play strong per usual.
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Frank has them coming out of the gate in conference play strong per usual.
'grats Dax
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What the hell is up with Spradling?
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Pretty sweet timing there...going with the zone just as Teahan (who does nothing but shoot 3s) came into the game. Instant backfire.
Can a HBBIQ person answer why we went zone there?
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Nothing says momentum killer like a zone defense.
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Frank likes to let the top teams in the conference get out to a good 3 or 4 game lead, and then he gets it all fixed . . . Unds is gonna install a couple of wrinkles in that Johnny Orr offense.
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Frank likes to let the top teams in the conference get out to a good 3 or 4 game lead, and then he gets it all fixed . . . Unds is gonna install a couple of wrinkles in that Johnny Orr offense.
:thumbs:
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AFH has been living in our heads rent-free for so long.. Don't really know what to say.
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Nothing says momentum killer like a zone defense.
This
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Frank has them coming out of the gate in conference play strong per usual.
In Frank's 4 conference seasons K-State has gotten off to great starts twice and had two shitty starts. Not that it matters even a little bit to you, continue with the incorrect talking point.
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See, the issue for the BlameFranks on nights like tonight is they undermine their credibility by choosing poor talking points, such as "we would have won if Frank hadn't gone zone" or "Frank quit on this team in the first 5 minutes, you could tell because he wasn't yelling, and that's why we lost" or "we lost because Nino played 12 minutes."
Falling back on an old chestnut like "Frank needs to recruit better" probably better fits tonight's performance.
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See, the issue for the BlameFranks on nights like tonight is they undermine their credibility by choosing poor talking points, such as "we would have won if Frank hadn't gone zone" or "Frank quit on this team in the first 5 minutes, you could tell because he wasn't yelling, and that's why we lost" or "we lost because Nino played 12 minutes."
Falling back on an old chestnut like "Frank needs to recruit better" probably better fits tonight's performance.
slimz, killing it! Unfortunately the dumbasses who use those talking points aren't sharp enough to understand that we lost because of the amazing amount of poor shots we took which directly equates to the talent on the floor.
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See, the issue for the BlameFranks on nights like tonight is they undermine their credibility by choosing poor talking points, such as "we would have won if Frank hadn't gone zone" or "Frank quit on this team in the first 5 minutes, you could tell because he wasn't yelling, and that's why we lost" or "we lost because Nino played 12 minutes."
Falling back on an old chestnut like "Frank needs to recruit better" probably better fits tonight's performance.
slimz, killing it! Unfortunately the dumbasses who use those talking points aren't sharp enough to understand that we lost because of the amazing amount of poor shots we took which directly equates to the talent on the floor.
also rebounds
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It's okay guys, no need to explain another pee down their leg performance at AFH.
It's just what teams coached by Frank do at the place.
Murdered on the boards, horrible shooting, momentum killing defensive changes, poor defensive recognition at key moments, horrendous hands, horrible shot selection . . . in other words, just another night at AFH for a Frank Martin coached basketball team.
I expect K-State to bounce back on Saturday, however if Frank is going to have them play the usual "Everybody run to the basketball" defense against mu, it does have the potential to be a really long day as well.
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frank did decide to go away from our normal offense at the beginning of the game and force the ball into the paint hoping to draw fouls on their bigs. unfortunately their bigs are better than he estimated or, we played worse in the paint than he wanted. either way, we didn't play well outside of our basic offense which led to bad shots, and worse rebounding in the first 5-8 minutes of the game. this set the tone.
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It is neat that people are pissed we didn't win/play well at AFH.
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Name a Big 12 conference team that has actually won/played well in AFH on a semi consistent basis . . . cricket . .. cricket . . . cricket. The season is young friends, we did the same thing last year only to flip the scoreboard. :) So we lost in AFH . . .. . . . . . and? We didn't play good. Next.
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frank did decide to go away from our normal offense at the beginning of the game and force the ball into the paint hoping to draw fouls on their bigs. unfortunately their bigs are better than he estimated or, we played worse in the paint than he wanted. either way, we didn't play well outside of our basic offense which led to bad shots, and worse rebounding in the first 5-8 minutes of the game. this set the tone.
Yep. First 5-8 minutes were awful.
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There's a difference between not playing well and coming out looking like you're scared to death. We're the rough ridin' JYC and we start this game like a bunch of pansies hoping the big bad Jayhawks don't beat us too bad. Next year Frank needs to send out an enforcer to set the tone for the game. Tell him he wants 5 fouls in the first 10 minutes and he'd better make them count. Seems like JO finally realized we needed to get physical somewhere along the way, but it was too late and then we got one of our most important players in foul trouble.
I don't care that we lost. I expected to lose. What's rough ridin' embarrassing is how we let them take away our strengths right out of the box.
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It's okay guys, no need to explain another pee down their leg performance at AFH.
It's just what teams coached by Frank do at the place.
Murdered on the boards, horrible shooting, momentum killing defensive changes, poor defensive recognition at key moments, horrendous hands, horrible shot selection . . . in other words, just another night at AFH for a Frank Martin coached basketball team.
I expect K-State to bounce back on Saturday, however if Frank is going to have them play the usual "Everybody run to the basketball" defense against mu, it does have the potential to be a really long day as well.
In Frank's defense, it's what every K-State coach and every team we have assembled has done over the past twenty five years.
Shitting our pants in Lawrence is what we do. We play like a bunch of pussies. We might as well forfeit the game and save the embarassment because we're defeated before we even step onto the court.
Thankfully, Frank has at least gotten the program over the mental hurdle of competing against KU on our home court. And that's a great first step in itself.
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Was just thinking... Does Frank approach the game at Allen differently because of TSC? I mean think about if we started beating them in that place. It makes me :ohno: for the state of Kansas just thinking about it.
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There's a difference between not playing well and coming out looking like you're scared to death. We're the rough ridin' JYC and we start this game like a bunch of pansies hoping the big bad Jayhawks don't beat us too bad. Next year Frank needs to send out an enforcer to set the tone for the game. Tell him he wants 5 fouls in the first 10 minutes and he'd better make them count. Seems like JO finally realized we needed to get physical somewhere along the way, but it was too late and then we got one of our most important players in foul trouble.
I don't care that we lost. I expected to lose. What's rough ridin' embarrassing is how we let them take away our strengths right out of the box.
I think Huggins tried that with Bennett and it didn't work out so well.
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frank did decide to go away from our normal offense at the beginning of the game and force the ball into the paint hoping to draw fouls on their bigs. unfortunately their bigs are better than he estimated or, we played worse in the paint than he wanted. either way, we didn't play well outside of our basic offense which led to bad shots, and worse rebounding in the first 5-8 minutes of the game. this set the tone.
Yep. First 5-8 minutes were awful.
i think he failed to realize that so much of our identity (JYC) is born from our everyday offense. can't fault him for attacking their bigs and lack of depth but the reality is that it would have taken an act of God for the refs to blow a whistle in the paint at the beginning of the game and our big men were so amped they were just forcing the issue down low, which will never get a call. it seems like he should have known these things would occur, as well as the importance of the rebounding born from our offense, but like i said, it was a good concept.
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frank did decide to go away from our normal offense at the beginning of the game and force the ball into the paint hoping to draw fouls on their bigs. unfortunately their bigs are better than he estimated or, we played worse in the paint than he wanted. either way, we didn't play well outside of our basic offense which led to bad shots, and worse rebounding in the first 5-8 minutes of the game. this set the tone.
Yep. First 5-8 minutes were awful.
i think he failed to realize that so much of our identity (JYC) is born from our everyday offense. can't fault him for attacking their bigs and lack of depth but the reality is that it would have taken an act of God for the refs to blow a whistle in the paint at the beginning of the game and our big men were so amped they were just forcing the issue down low, which will never get a call. it seems like he should have known these things would occur, as well as the importance of the rebounding born from our offense, but like i said, it was a good concept.
is the strategy why we kept passing up open jumpers instead deciding on the bull rush technique into the paint.
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that's my $0.02 mcmw, just my $0.02...
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frank did decide to go away from our normal offense at the beginning of the game and force the ball into the paint hoping to draw fouls on their bigs. unfortunately their bigs are better than he estimated or, we played worse in the paint than he wanted. either way, we didn't play well outside of our basic offense which led to bad shots, and worse rebounding in the first 5-8 minutes of the game. this set the tone.
Yep. First 5-8 minutes were awful.
i think he failed to realize that so much of our identity (JYC) is born from our everyday offense. can't fault him for attacking their bigs and lack of depth but the reality is that it would have taken an act of God for the refs to blow a whistle in the paint at the beginning of the game and our big men were so amped they were just forcing the issue down low, which will never get a call. it seems like he should have known these things would occur, as well as the importance of the rebounding born from our offense, but like i said, it was a good concept.
Yeah, I think you nailed it. Frank put a lot of faith in our bigs matching up well with KU's. Once KU set the tone we were in trouble.
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I expected to lose.
So did Frank. He spent the past week telling every media talking head who'd give him the time of day that his teams always piss down their leg right out of the gate in Allen. No surprise that the team fulfilled his expectation.
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I expected to lose.
So did Frank. He spent the past week telling every media talking head who'd give him the time of day that his teams always piss down their leg right out of the gate in Allen. No surprise that the team fulfilled his expectation.
LOVE THIS TALKING POINT
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I expected to lose.
So did Frank. He spent the past week telling every media talking head who'd give him the time of day that his teams always piss down their leg right out of the gate in Allen. No surprise that the team fulfilled his expectation.
LOVE THIS TALKING POINT
http://curtiskitchen.com/k-state-mental-approach-for-allen-fieldhouse-faulty-again/
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I expected to lose.
So did Frank. He spent the past week telling every media talking head who'd give him the time of day that his teams always piss down their leg right out of the gate in Allen. No surprise that the team fulfilled his expectation.
LOVE THIS TALKING POINT
http://curtiskitchen.com/k-state-mental-approach-for-allen-fieldhouse-faulty-again/
A rare instance of Kitchen not being a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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I expected to lose.
So did Frank. He spent the past week telling every media talking head who'd give him the time of day that his teams always piss down their leg right out of the gate in Allen. No surprise that the team fulfilled his expectation.
LOVE THIS TALKING POINT
http://curtiskitchen.com/k-state-mental-approach-for-allen-fieldhouse-faulty-again/
A rare instance of Kitchen not being a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
I think that being nice to KU stuff is a really overrated talking point. The best player on the court dominated the game for the first ten minutes. Would T-Rob have played worse if Frank Martin said in a press conference "I'll never spend a dime in Lawrence?" Who really cares what he says in press conferences? He could be motherfucking KU and Bill Self when he's watching film as much as he does his players on gameday. We know Underwood is motherfucking them.
Before BITB went full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) with his "This could be the worst week in in Kansas State Athletics in a very long time, it could be a complete disaster" line I think he laid this out fairly well. Frank clearly isn't doing something right when it comes to how he starts these games out, five games is a good enough sample size. I'd think it would be more prudent to point out what is happening in the film room, with the scout, or the game plan before we focus on what is said by a 21st century basketball coach to the media waitng to blow any non PC speak out of proportion.
If he would have done what Kitchen suggests and the same result ensued, we'd hear about hoe Frank provided BB material for T-Rob and Self.
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I expected to lose.
So did Frank. He spent the past week telling every media talking head who'd give him the time of day that his teams always piss down their leg right out of the gate in Allen. No surprise that the team fulfilled his expectation.
LOVE THIS TALKING POINT
http://curtiskitchen.com/k-state-mental-approach-for-allen-fieldhouse-faulty-again/
A rare instance of Kitchen not being a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
I think that being nice to KU stuff is a really overrated talking point. The best player on the court dominated the game for the first ten minutes. Would T-Rob have played worse if Frank Martin said in a press conference "I'll never spend a dime in Lawrence?" Who really cares what he says in press conferences? He could be motherfucking KU and Bill Self when he's watching film as much as he does his players on gameday. We know Underwood is motherfucking them.
Before BITB went full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) with his "This could be the worst week in in Kansas State Athletics in a very long time, it could be a complete disaster" line I think he laid this out fairly well. Frank clearly isn't doing something right when it comes to how he starts these games out, five games is a good enough sample size. I'd think it would be more prudent to point out what is happening in the film room, with the scout, or the game plan before we focus on what is said by a 21st century basketball coach to the media waitng to blow any non PC speak out of proportion.
If he would have done what Kitchen suggests and the same result ensued, we'd hear about hoe Frank provided BB material for T-Rob and Self.
so frank and damn near every other coach in america are doing something wrong in AFH, got it.
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I expected to lose.
So did Frank. He spent the past week telling every media talking head who'd give him the time of day that his teams always piss down their leg right out of the gate in Allen. No surprise that the team fulfilled his expectation.
LOVE THIS TALKING POINT
http://curtiskitchen.com/k-state-mental-approach-for-allen-fieldhouse-faulty-again/
A rare instance of Kitchen not being a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
I think that being nice to KU stuff is a really overrated talking point. The best player on the court dominated the game for the first ten minutes. Would T-Rob have played worse if Frank Martin said in a press conference "I'll never spend a dime in Lawrence?" Who really cares what he says in press conferences? He could be motherfucking KU and Bill Self when he's watching film as much as he does his players on gameday. We know Underwood is motherfucking them.
Before BITB went full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) with his "This could be the worst week in in Kansas State Athletics in a very long time, it could be a complete disaster" line I think he laid this out fairly well. Frank clearly isn't doing something right when it comes to how he starts these games out, five games is a good enough sample size. I'd think it would be more prudent to point out what is happening in the film room, with the scout, or the game plan before we focus on what is said by a 21st century basketball coach to the media waitng to blow any non PC speak out of proportion.
If he would have done what Kitchen suggests and the same result ensued, we'd hear about hoe Frank provided BB material for T-Rob and Self.
so frank and damn near every other coach in america are doing something wrong in AFH, got it.
Every other coach in america has been down 20 at the under 12 in the same building for five years in a row?
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I expected to lose.
So did Frank. He spent the past week telling every media talking head who'd give him the time of day that his teams always piss down their leg right out of the gate in Allen. No surprise that the team fulfilled his expectation.
LOVE THIS TALKING POINT
http://curtiskitchen.com/k-state-mental-approach-for-allen-fieldhouse-faulty-again/
A rare instance of Kitchen not being a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
I think that being nice to KU stuff is a really overrated talking point. The best player on the court dominated the game for the first ten minutes. Would T-Rob have played worse if Frank Martin said in a press conference "I'll never spend a dime in Lawrence?" Who really cares what he says in press conferences? He could be motherfucking KU and Bill Self when he's watching film as much as he does his players on gameday. We know Underwood is motherfucking them.
Before BITB went full Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) with his "This could be the worst week in in Kansas State Athletics in a very long time, it could be a complete disaster" line I think he laid this out fairly well. Frank clearly isn't doing something right when it comes to how he starts these games out, five games is a good enough sample size. I'd think it would be more prudent to point out what is happening in the film room, with the scout, or the game plan before we focus on what is said by a 21st century basketball coach to the media waitng to blow any non PC speak out of proportion.
If he would have done what Kitchen suggests and the same result ensued, we'd hear about hoe Frank provided BB material for T-Rob and Self.
so frank and damn near every other coach in america are doing something wrong in AFH, got it.
Every other coach in america has been down 20 at the under 12 in the same building for five years in a row?
i thought we were talking about the beginning of games.
Frank clearly isn't doing something right when it comes to how he starts these games out, five games is a good enough sample size.
yes, every coach in america. you know MiR, sometimes it's ok to tap out.
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so frank and damn near every other coach in america are doing something wrong in AFH, got it.
Every other coach in america has been down 20 at the under 12 in the same building for five years in a row?
i thought we were talking about the beginning of games.
Frank clearly isn't doing something right when it comes to how he starts these games out, five games is a good enough sample size.
yes, every coach in america. you know MiR, sometimes it's ok to tap out.
:confused: am I just high and not understanding what is happening here?
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so frank and damn near every other coach in america are doing something wrong in AFH, got it.
Every other coach in america has been down 20 at the under 12 in the same building for five years in a row?
i thought we were talking about the beginning of games.
Frank clearly isn't doing something right when it comes to how he starts these games out, five games is a good enough sample size.
yes, every coach in america. you know MiR, sometimes it's ok to tap out.
:confused: am I just high and not understanding what is happening here?
i'm just messing with you because it's fun. i admitted in another thread that i thought frank screwed up the game plan going into the game.