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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: ksu101 on December 27, 2011, 12:28:35 PM
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http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/42876/big-12-power-rankings-2 (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/42876/big-12-power-rankings-2)
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http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/42876/big-12-power-rankings-2 (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/42876/big-12-power-rankings-2)
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Suck it!
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MULE-KICKED!
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5th motherfuckers!!!!!
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He's a Baylor grad!!111
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5th motherfuckers!!!!!
'grats to Kruger
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i finally got a chance to watch a baylor game. they're better than last year, but they aren't winning the big 12.
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Seems like it was more of a donkey punch but whatever.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/42876/big-12-power-rankings-2 (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/42876/big-12-power-rankings-2)
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MULE-KICKED!
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MULE-KICKED!
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i finally got a chance to watch a baylor game. they're better than last year, but they aren't winning the big 12.
Imagine if we force them out of their zone and they didn't prepare for the pinch-post/pinwheel offense :excited: :drool:
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i finally got a chance to watch a baylor game. they're better than last year, but they aren't winning the big 12.
who is? look into your crystal ball and give me the top 5. (bottom 5 are irrelevant to me)
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who is? look into your crystal ball and give me the top 5. (bottom 5 are irrelevant to me)
ku
mu
ksu
baylor
texas
assuming no important injuries for ku & mu. neither has the depth to endure significant injuries.
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Man, Pokes might go 6-12 or worse in conference play. What's their record next year with Smart? I'd guess 10-8 if LeBryan Nash stays, 8-10 if he goes pro.
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Self will put a clown suit on haith. No way he lets the slavers win his conference going away.
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Self will put a clown suit on haith. No way he lets the slavers win his conference going away.
I agree. Missouri has looked very impressive, but they still don't have a signature win. I think they will have trouble matching up with elite teams due to a lack of bigs, and they will probably end up 3rd or 4th in the Big 12.
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Self will put a clown suit on haith. No way he lets the slavers win his conference going away.
I agree. Missouri has looked very impressive, but they still don't have a signature win. I think they will have trouble matching up with elite teams due to a lack of bigs, and they will probably end up 3rd or 4th in the Big 12.
I agree and their win against Cal (especially the way they beat them) was really impressive. However, their SOS is pretty weak (#331) and even more the strength of the defenses they've faced is one of the weakest in D1 basketball this year (#343 out of 345 teams).
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It’s easy to get a shot in a four-guard offense. If you can get away with it on defense and get away with it rebounding, it’s a lot easier. You can just let these guys play.
no one has not let them get away with it, yet.
btw, this is also the reason baylor isn't winning the big 12.
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It’s easy to get a shot in a four-guard offense. If you can get away with it on defense and get away with it rebounding, it’s a lot easier. You can just let these guys play.
no one has not let them get away with it, yet.
btw, this is also the reason baylor isn't winning the big 12.
Yes, KU is winning the Big 12.
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It’s easy to get a shot in a four-guard offense. If you can get away with it on defense and get away with it rebounding, it’s a lot easier. You can just let these guys play.
no one has not let them get away with it, yet.
btw, this is also the reason baylor isn't winning the big 12.
Yes, KU is winning the Big 12.
meh. Seems like everyone is tip toeing here. Why is it so easy to say KU will win the conference but no one wants to say K-State has a shot. Obviously not the best team we've had in the Martin era, but I think this will be our best shot to win the conference. The top is going to have a fair amount of losses, this brings the pack together. Not only is KU not deep but they are mentally fragile. They don't have the tough, battle tested guards that are the hallmark of that program. They do have the best player in the league and I think their overall front line is underrated, but I really hate their guards. They may win, but I'm going to trust my eyes and not "crown their ass."
If we are just going to seemingly arbitrarily pick KU to win because they've won before why not pick UT?
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If we are just going to seemingly arbitrarily pick KU to win because they've won before why not pick UT?
1) kenpom, 2) ku beat gtown and osu, ut best win is temple. mu's killed everyone but illinois.
look, i don't trust any of the teams, and kstate absolutely has a shot. but if i'm going to crown any of these flawed teams, ku makes more sense than any of the others. the only thing i'm sure of is that baylor isn't winning the big 12 trying to keep 3 power fowards on the court at the same time.
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do you guys think that the kitn was the huggy bowl? im trying to get excited but i feel it will come crashing down. a tech or osu will probably beat us at home because thats just what we do
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Here's what I like about this team at this point:
1. Offense seems to be ahead of where it is most years. Still has its hiccups, but there seems to be more fluidity and purpose than we've seen in December.
2. Seem to be playing above the rim more. Good sign for overall athleticism and may also mean 1) offense is creating easier opportunities 2) guys are being more assertive and getting better position.
3. Seems like we've got a couple of new defensive wrinkles that have been positive so far. More halfcourt trapping than I remember in the past?
4. Several games lately where second-teamers have held/extended lead. Of course, this is a mixed bag as sometimes the first-teamers haven't been as effective as they should be, and less of a gap between the two can mean that the first teamers aren't as good as they should be. Still, at this point I'd give the edge to our bench being improved, rather than our starters not being very good.
5. Related to 4, seems like we have a number of guys who can step up. As we saw in Hawaii, this can make it tough for other teams to decide on a defensive strategy. Gipson struggled when teams started focusing on him, but Jamar and DOB have benefited and once teams focus on them, Gipson's play should receive a boost. Same thing with Angel/Sprads/Gruds. If 1.5 of those guys can be "on" each game, we'll win quite a few.
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Here's what I like about this team at this point:
1. Offense seems to be ahead of where it is most years. Still has its hiccups, but there seems to be more fluidity and purpose than we've seen in December.
2. Seem to be playing above the rim more. Good sign for overall athleticism and may also mean 1) offense is creating easier opportunities 2) guys are being more assertive and getting better position.
3. Seems like we've got a couple of new defensive wrinkles that have been positive so far. More halfcourt trapping than I remember in the past?
4. Several games lately where second-teamers have held/extended lead. Of course, this is a mixed bag as sometimes the first-teamers haven't been as effective as they should be, and less of a gap between the two can mean that the first teamers aren't as good as they should be. Still, at this point I'd give the edge to our bench being improved, rather than our starters not being very good.
5. Related to 4, seems like we have a number of guys who can step up. As we saw in Hawaii, this can make it tough for other teams to decide on a defensive strategy. Gipson struggled when teams started focusing on him, but Jamar and DOB have benefited and once teams focus on them, Gipson's play should receive a boost. Same thing with Angel/Sprads/Gruds. If 1.5 of those guys can be "on" each game, we'll win quite a few.
I am pretty excited about this. As much as I consider Pullen my hero, it's almost like this team is better prepared as a tournament team without him. As Fran put it in the Baylor game last night... addition by subtraction. There is no pressure on one guy to score, and I think we have 5 different guys that can step up on any given night. The defense and offensive flow is the best I have seen from any of Frank's teams at this point in the season. If this year is anything like the past seasons, we could be in for a fun ride!
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I hate that we are going to lose in Stillwater again :(
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I hate that we are going to lose in Stillwater again :(
rough ridin' pigboy will hit 10 3's
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Here's what I like about this team at this point:
1. Offense seems to be ahead of where it is most years. Still has its hiccups, but there seems to be more fluidity and purpose than we've seen in December.
2. Seem to be playing above the rim more. Good sign for overall athleticism and may also mean 1) offense is creating easier opportunities 2) guys are being more assertive and getting better position.
3. Seems like we've got a couple of new defensive wrinkles that have been positive so far. More halfcourt trapping than I remember in the past?
4. Several games lately where second-teamers have held/extended lead. Of course, this is a mixed bag as sometimes the first-teamers haven't been as effective as they should be, and less of a gap between the two can mean that the first teamers aren't as good as they should be. Still, at this point I'd give the edge to our bench being improved, rather than our starters not being very good.
5. Related to 4, seems like we have a number of guys who can step up. As we saw in Hawaii, this can make it tough for other teams to decide on a defensive strategy. Gipson struggled when teams started focusing on him, but Jamar and DOB have benefited and once teams focus on them, Gipson's play should receive a boost. Same thing with Angel/Sprads/Gruds. If 1.5 of those guys can be "on" each game, we'll win quite a few.
Frank's pressure the ball/get beat/protect the lane defensive strategy seems to be working as well as it ever has. Right now opponents are only shooting 41.5% on 2 point shots, which is 6% better than any other Frank team. It helps that we are also defending threes really well, only allowing 27.7%, also a Frank best. And a Frank best 13.6% block percentage. All of this while still staying at Frank averages forcing TOs at a 23% clip and OR percentage given up of 33.3%. Granted, the offensive points per possesion of our opponents is .99, only #225 in the country. Still, the defense has been very good so far, to go along with good offense.
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1. Offense seems to be ahead of where it is most years. Still has its hiccups, but there seems to be more fluidity and purpose than we've seen in December.
Surprisingly, I agree. Up until the WVU game, I assumed this season would be business as usual regarding the offense. Stagnant, senseless movement, lot of dribbling, 2 foot hot-potatoe passes on the perimeter.
Since WVU, however, it seems like we're moving a lot better on the floor. Spacing is good. Getting open shots. Isolating bigs on the block.
Yep, it's a fact, I've been entertained.
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While K-State fans have always complained about Frank's offense it's always been very efficient where it counts; points per possession. Once again it is in the Top 50 in the country at 1.09 ppp. Only once has Frank's offense finished outside the Top 50, and that was in 09 at #65. In fact, right now this is Frank's worst efficiency, essentially tied with that 09 team. The biggest problem right now is hitting perimeter shots.
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If we are just going to seemingly arbitrarily pick KU to win because they've won before why not pick UT?
1) kenpom, 2) ku beat gtown and osu, ut best win is temple. mu's killed everyone but illinois.
look, i don't trust any of the teams, and kstate absolutely has a shot. but if i'm going to crown any of these flawed teams, ku makes more sense than any of the others. the only thing i'm sure of is that baylor isn't winning the big 12 trying to keep 3 power fowards on the court at the same time.
Don't disagree with any of this. OSU gets an *.
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Here's what I like about this team at this point:
1. Offense seems to be ahead of where it is most years. Still has its hiccups, but there seems to be more fluidity and purpose than we've seen in December.
2. Seem to be playing above the rim more. Good sign for overall athleticism and may also mean 1) offense is creating easier opportunities 2) guys are being more assertive and getting better position.
3. Seems like we've got a couple of new defensive wrinkles that have been positive so far. More halfcourt trapping than I remember in the past?
4. Several games lately where second-teamers have held/extended lead. Of course, this is a mixed bag as sometimes the first-teamers haven't been as effective as they should be, and less of a gap between the two can mean that the first teamers aren't as good as they should be. Still, at this point I'd give the edge to our bench being improved, rather than our starters not being very good.
5. Related to 4, seems like we have a number of guys who can step up. As we saw in Hawaii, this can make it tough for other teams to decide on a defensive strategy. Gipson struggled when teams started focusing on him, but Jamar and DOB have benefited and once teams focus on them, Gipson's play should receive a boost. Same thing with Angel/Sprads/Gruds. If 1.5 of those guys can be "on" each game, we'll win quite a few.
Frank's pressure the ball/get beat/protect the lane defensive strategy seems to be working as well as it ever has. Right now opponents are only shooting 41.5% on 2 point shots, which is 6% better than any other Frank team. It helps that we are also defending threes really well, only allowing 27.7%, also a Frank best. And a Frank best 13.6% block percentage. All of this while still staying at Frank averages forcing TOs at a 23% clip and OR percentage given up of 33.3%. Granted, the offensive points per possesion of our opponents is .99, only #225 in the country. Still, the defense has been very good so far, to go along with good offense.
Considering the offenses we've played, is it really worth getting excited about our opponents' shooting percentages?
Excited for our forced TO% to get a nice buffer after playing Turnover Taylor and the Fightin' Jayhawks.
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Yep, it's a fact, I've been entertained.
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Considering the offenses we've played, is it really worth getting excited about our opponents' shooting percentages?
Excited for our forced TO% to get a nice buffer after playing Turnover Taylor and the Fightin' Jayhawks.
I think 6% better on 2 pt defense is statistically significant, even with the strength of the opposing offenses.
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do you think the Defensive eFG% will eventually even out to normal Frank range? i mean #8 right now, and the previous highest rank is #80
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do you think the Defensive eFG% will eventually even out to normal Frank range? i mean #8 right now, and the previous highest rank is #80
Probably, but we'll see. The Big 12 does have 7 Top 50 offenses. But there are also 3 pretty bad offenses that we'll have 6 games against.
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Is everyone on this board Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? I think we beat ku mu and baylor to start the season. I have no idea why all you "fans" think we look bad?
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sys confirmed:
Big 12 (Kansas, 33%)
Much like with the NEC, I don’t think too many people expected Kansas to be the favorite here, what with the loss to Davidson. But the Big 12 is clearly the conference race most up for grabs. Not only do you have the trio of conference power brokers
Kansas 3312
Missouri 3263
Baylor 2086
Texas 723
Kansas St. 567
Oklahoma 31
Oklahoma St. 11
Texas A&M 4
Iowa St. 3
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/2012_conference_previews_the_last/
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Is everyone on this board Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? I think we beat ku mu and baylor to start the season. I have no idea why all you "fans" think we look bad?
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Another tough break for A&M
http://eye-on-college-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/34092946
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Another tough break for A&M
http://eye-on-college-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/34092946
the wrath of god can be a bitch.
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Also, A&M's court? woof
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Updated conference power rankings.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/43445/big-12-power-rankings-3 (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/43445/big-12-power-rankings-3)
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Updated conference power rankings.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/43445/big-12-power-rankings-3 (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/43445/big-12-power-rankings-3)
I love all the butthurt squawk comments.
Also,
It will be interesting to see what Oklahoma State’s administration decides to do with fourth-year coach Travis Ford if things don’t get better.
Indeed. And it will be interesting to see how much money Pickens offers Self to coach at his alma mater. He'd be crazy to turn it down.
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http://ouhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24359
poor, loyal conference partner osu, it should have been missouri.