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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: sys on December 12, 2011, 09:18:58 PM
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http://tlorc.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/kansas-state-defensive-breakdown-nearly-costs-them-the-game-against-north-florida/
looking at the screencaps and the vid, i don't completely agree with the analysis. spradling shouldn't leave his man on help because he was on one of the best shooters in america. gipson did hedge really high (too high) and samuels did get a step out of position inside, but the real breakdown was irving drifting into a position where the screener could remove him, when all he had to do was stay in front. he could also have gone under the screen since williams is a poor shooter, but obviously kstate wasn't set to play under the screen.
i honestly doubt if williams could have split the screen even if irving had played all the way to the left of the pick. but all he had to do was stay above it to force the driver a step out of his way so samuels could have recovered.
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There are some good points on that blog, but the writer makes too many assumptions. The previous post about K-State from the WV game I disagree with even more.
http://tlorc.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/poor-transition-defense-by-kansas-state-gives-west-virginia-an-easy-dunk/
Our guards have consistently been taught to find shooters, and especially for Sprads in that game to find Bryant. I'm fairly certain Frank would have judged McGruder and/or JO to be just as much (if not more) at fault for not getting back with Jones. They don't have to be even with him, but at least back enough to disrupt the passing lane.
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http://tlorc.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/kansas-state-defensive-breakdown-nearly-costs-them-the-game-against-north-florida/
looking at the screencaps and the vid, i don't completely agree with the analysis. spradling shouldn't leave his man on help because he was on one of the best shooters in america. gipson did hedge really high (too high) and samuels did get a step out of position inside, but the real breakdown was irving drifting into a position where the screener could remove him, when all he had to do was stay in front. he could also have gone under the screen since williams is a poor shooter, but obviously kstate wasn't set to play under the screen.
i honestly doubt if williams could have split the screen even if irving had played all the way to the left of the pick. but all he had to do was stay above it to force the driver a step out of his way so samuels could have recovered.
We were playing Smith & Grandberry under the screen against UNF, I really couldn't figure out why
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There are some good points on that blog, but the writer makes too many assumptions. The previous post about K-State from the WV game I disagree with even more.
http://tlorc.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/poor-transition-defense-by-kansas-state-gives-west-virginia-an-easy-dunk/
Our guards have consistently been taught to find shooters, and especially for Sprads in that game to find Bryant. I'm fairly certain Frank would have judged McGruder and/or JO to be just as much (if not more) at fault for not getting back with Jones. They don't have to be even with him, but at least back enough to disrupt the passing lane.
No I agree with him on this play. Yes you need to find shooters but not at the expense of vacating the lane with a player in it. You find the shooters on the secondary break not there. On a fast break you defend from the inside out every time. You force more passes to give your rebounders a shot at recovering. There is absolutely no shot that JO or Rodney could have had Jones there, they were rebounding and he was north of the arc defending Will's shot.
Look at the second photo, the last photo and then the second replay on the YouTube video. I looks to me that Tay is telling Will that he is taking the ball handler going to the top of the key but still 45 feet away from there, and he did he completely ignored the wing on his side. Will saw that Tay didn't take the wing over there and he went. It was like both of them completely forgot Jones was there.
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yeah, i agree. spradling's original responsibility was the wing, and irving was calling his assignment to him. but spradling has to be able to see that jones is running to the rim with no one near him and adjust to cover.
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Good points. It looks to me like there were several breakdowns in communicating mixed with a couple assumptions. I agree that JO could not have gotten back to the lane, but McGruder probably could have, it looks like Sprads initial reaction is that they would get there. His immediate reaction is not to get back to the lane, but to find Bryant. McGruder actually slows down to find his man and runs into JO a little bit in doing so. Samuels initial reaction after going for the rebound is not to get back to the lane either. I'm sure in film Will, McGruder, JO, and Samuels were all thrown under the bus on this one. It was just bad transition defense.
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spradling should have stopped the layup, for sure. the other was too long, :dnr: