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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: kso_FAN on December 07, 2011, 12:12:06 PM
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Arkansas Offense: http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=1647
Arkansas Defense: http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=1698
Arkansas Special Teams: http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=1674
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Encouraging stuff here. Just from watching some film of the Arkansas v. USC game, it surprises me that Wilson doesn't have more rushing yards. He showed the ability to get out of the pocket and make accurate throws on the run.
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thx _FAN
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what sets do they run on offense? Will we be able to keep Walker in the game or will we have to go 4-2-5? I think we are a better defense if we can keep 3 linebackers on the field.
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what sets do they run on offense? Will we be able to keep Walker in the game or will we have to go 4-2-5? I think we are a better defense if we can keep 3 linebackers on the field.
Usually a TE, lots of 1 back with 3 wide. I would guess we'll try to keep 3 LB in as much as possible, especially since they are pretty balanced with run/pass plays. I'll try to post more on that as I watch more.
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what sets do they run on offense? Will we be able to keep Walker in the game or will we have to go 4-2-5? I think we are a better defense if we can keep 3 linebackers on the field.
Almost everything, but we haven't seen any 3 back stuff this year.
Seriously, you will see everything from two tight I to 5 wide all receivers from us.
We have been playing a lot more 1 tight, 3 wide. Our tight end has become a beast in the last half of the season.
Our 1-5 wide receivers will be the best wide receiving corps you have seen all season, and it won't be remotely close (yes, even better than baylor/osu).
Our top 4 wide receivers are Biletnikoff nominees. No team in the history of college football has had more than 2 (and we have a full 2 more on the list).
You will not be able to cover us, at all. The good news is you will be able to get some pressure on Wilson, and you will be able to run the ball down are throats the entire game.
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I'll be pretty happy if we only give up around 400 yards.
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I'll be pretty happy if we only give up around 400 yards.
And from an Arkansas fan's perspective... we just pray to hold you guys to under 200 yards rushing. Which we probably won't.
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I'll be pretty happy if we only give up around 400 yards.
(Obi Wan Kenobi hand guesture...)
You will not care about yards. We will score all of the points we need and no more.
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_Fan, is there such a thing as points per yard? Because we'd probably be leading in that. We seem good at scoring without gaining yards. Or maybe we just eff around and waste time with superfluous yards.
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_Fan, is there such a thing as points per yard? Because we'd probably be leading in that. We seem good at scoring without gaining yards. Or maybe we just eff around and waste time with superfluous yards.
KSU 0.096336
ARK 0.083925
We are going to DOMINATE THIS
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WOO PIG SOOIE!!!!! GO HOGS! BEAT KSU!!!!!!! Get ready for the SEC to show you what real football is!!!!!
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_Fan, is there such a thing as points per yard? Because we'd probably be leading in that. We seem good at scoring without gaining yards. Or maybe we just eff around and waste time with superfluous yards.
KSU 0.096336
ARK 0.083925
We are going to DOMINATE THIS
... as long as we can stay w/in 88% of their total yards
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For all the negatives that people bring up about this site. _FAN is a gem like no other. I think their are a lot fine points about his site that outweigh the "bad." _FAN offsets it by myself though.
Thank you.
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I think the bad things aren't really that bad. _FAN's stuff is so great I want to give him money.
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On the blog: I don't know how it shows on your browser, but notice there are links to a whole bunch of stats by clicking on certain phrases/names/etc if you want to see even more stats. It shows as slightly lighter text on mine.
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great work, _FAN. What makes you confident in K-State's defense in this game considering that the UofA offense is most similar to the two offenses that beat us this season?
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great work, _FAN. What makes you confident in K-State's defense in this game considering that the UofA offense is most similar to the two offenses that beat us this season?
I'm not _FAN, I'm a Razorbacks fan. That said, I think you guys will stay in the game, because you will be able to get pressure on Tyler Wilson. I also think that you will be able to score if you stick with the run game.
The defense can't cover, but it doesn't have to if you can get pressure on Tyler. Arkansas gave up TONS of big hits on Tyler this year, TONS.
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great work, _FAN. What makes you confident in K-State's defense in this game considering that the UofA offense is most similar to the two offenses that beat us this season?
I'm not _FAN, I'm a Razorbacks fan. That said, I think you guys will stay in the game, because you will be able to get pressure on Tyler Wilson. I also think that you will be able to score if you stick with the run game.
The defense can't cover, but it doesn't have to if you can get pressure on Tyler. Arkansas gave up TONS of big hits on Tyler this year, TONS.
Good points. I'll just add that Arkansas' running game is not as good as OU/OSU and neither is their offensive line; consider that OU/OSU combined gave up 20 sacks on 1111 pass attempts. Arkansas gave up 25 on 440 by themselves.
Also, Arkansas' defense (which I'll address later in the week) is not as good as either OU or OSU IMHO.
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O/U on the # of times 2 Y's gets burnt deep for a TD pass? I'll say 4 :bang:
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and, if KState is playing a smart game--DO NOT KICK/PUNT to Joe Adams! :excited:
SEC Special Teams Player of the Year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSduGLTQ94M&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSduGLTQ94M&feature=youtu.be)
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and, if KState is playing a smart game--DO NOT KICK/PUNT to Joe Adams! :excited:
SEC Special Teams Player of the Year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSduGLTQ94M&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSduGLTQ94M&feature=youtu.be)
He's good. I'll talk special teams eventually as well.
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i've noticed that arkansas runs a strong/weak side offensive line, rather than the traditional left tackle, right tackle, etc..... wonder if that changes anything in defensive preparation.
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For all the negatives that people bring up about this site. _FAN is a gem like no other. I think their are a lot fine points about his site that outweigh the "bad." _FAN offsets it by myself though.
Thank you.
I'm not familiar with what you speak of. Link?
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i've noticed that arkansas runs a strong/weak side offensive line, rather than the traditional left tackle, right tackle, etc..... wonder if that changes anything in defensive preparation.
Not really unless they have a tendancy to run specific plays behind specific linemen. Our staff will put in the work to find tendancies like that, but I don't have the time or resources to do so. Based on what I've seen so far they do a few thing differently as far as how they do pull linemen though. In our power running scheme we pull backside linemen most of the time, usually a guard. They will often pull play side linemen and run off tackle. I plan to do a _FANframes at some point breaking down a couple of those.
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what sets do they run on offense? Will we be able to keep Walker in the game or will we have to go 4-2-5? I think we are a better defense if we can keep 3 linebackers on the field.
Almost everything, but we haven't seen any 3 back stuff this year.
Seriously, you will see everything from two tight I to 5 wide all receivers from us.
We have been playing a lot more 1 tight, 3 wide. Our tight end has become a beast in the last half of the season.
Our 1-5 wide receivers will be the best wide receiving corps you have seen all season, and it won't be remotely close (yes, even better than baylor/osu).
[u]Our top 4 wide receivers are Biletnikoff nominees. No team in the history of college football has had more than 2 (and we have a full 2 more on the list).[/u]
You will not be able to cover us, at all. The good news is you will be able to get some pressure on Wilson, and you will be able to run the ball down are throats the entire game.
Wow, that WOULD be impressive if Duke and SMU didn't each have 2 WR on that same list. :jerk:
What do have to get on this list? Have your coach send in a letter of recommendation?
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Wow, that WOULD be impressive if Duke and SMU didn't each have 2 WR on that same list. :jerk:
What do have to get on this list? Have your coach send in a letter of recommendation?
They have gained 2,764 yard between them. If you think you are going up against Duke or SMU type wide receivers, you have another thing coming.
if you look back on my commentary since I joined most of it is very level headed/even keeled/and not extremely homerish.
If you do not think this is the best WR corps you have seen this year, you are in for a very rude awakening on January 6th.
Just as Arkansas fans who think this will be a cake walk, will be surprised when KState runs it down our throats----you will be very embarassed if you do not give those 4 (plus gragg) some serious respect.
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Wow, that WOULD be impressive if Duke and SMU didn't each have 2 WR on that same list. :jerk:
What do have to get on this list? Have your coach send in a letter of recommendation?
They have gained 2,764 yard between them. If you think you are going up against Duke or SMU type wide receivers, you have another thing coming.
if you look back on my commentary since I joined most of it is very level headed/even keeled/and not extremely homerish.
If you do not think this is the best WR corps you have seen this year, you are in for a very rude awakening on January 6th.
Just as Arkansas fans who think this will be a cake walk, will be surprised when KState runs it down our throats----you will be very embarassed if you do not give those 4 (plus gragg) some serious respect.
Oklahoma State has to be very close, their top 4 have 3000+ yds. Blackmon is head and shoulders over every other receiver in the country, and their others are very good. Kendall Wright is incredible, although Baylor doesn't have too much else, other than the Heisman favorite throwing to them. At A&M, Swope, Fuller and Nwachukwu are a great trio. I agree that Ark's receivers are very, very good, but color me :dubious: that they are much better than what we have seen this year. Wilson vs. any of the top Big XII QBs is at best a wash. Add that to your suspect line when compared to OU / OSU and it is hard for me to believe you will have the success through the air that OU and OSU had against us. I think it will be more along the lines of Baylor and aTm.
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A look at the Arkansas kicking/punting game. K-State will need to be ready. http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=1674
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These write ups not only make my FBIQ skyrocket but they also make the game more enjoyable since I can look at the game as more than just, run play/pass play and blitz/contain.
Thanks _FAN!
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Will Doerr be able to hit the video screen with one of his punts?
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Yep, Joe Adams is freaking beast if given the least little hole to run through--and he's very good at making his own holes to run through!
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Everytime we kick off, the 50,000 fans I've heard will be there should scream "Lacerate his kidney!" #tsc
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Kick off returns for Ark really concern me in game that should feature a lot of them. I cannot recall a non-wind aided touchback for Cantele, he is a fine FG kicker but does not seem to have a huge leg.
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Kick off returns for Ark really concern me in game that should feature a lot of them. I cannot recall a non-wind aided touchback for Cantele, he is a fine FG kicker but does not seem to have a huge leg.
IMO, Cantele has been told to kickoff high/short/placement over just powering it for a touchback.
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Sean's HCIW status may hinge on how he calls this game.
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_FAN is right. Arky sucks ass.
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Oklahoma State has to be very close, their top 4 have 3000+ yds. Blackmon is head and shoulders over every other receiver in the country, and their others are very good. Kendall Wright is incredible, although Baylor doesn't have too much else, other than the Heisman favorite throwing to them. At A&M, Swope, Fuller and Nwachukwu are a great trio. I agree that Ark's receivers are very, very good, but color me :dubious: that they are much better than what we have seen this year. Wilson vs. any of the top Big XII QBs is at best a wash. Add that to your suspect line when compared to OU / OSU and it is hard for me to believe you will have the success through the air that OU and OSU had against us. I think it will be more along the lines of Baylor and aTm.
Oklahoma State has over 100+ more pass attempts and plays in a defensively weaker conference. There isn't much comparison.
Arkansas and Texas A&M played, and your comment about their three great wide receivers was HILARIOUS.
You really are that jaded. That's the funniest part.
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These write ups not only make my FBIQ skyrocket but they also make the game more enjoyable since I can look at the game as more than just, run play/pass play and blitz/contain.
Thanks _FAN!
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These write ups saved not only my marriage but my hairline as well!
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_FAN, has Arkansas seen a running back with the speed/power combo they will face in Hubert?
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_FAN, has Arkansas seen a running back with the speed/power combo they will face in Hubert?
I've heard some people compare him to Richard from Alabama, but the Bama QB doesn't run nearly well enough for it to be an accurate comparison. The 1-2 punch of Hubert-Klein is the most powerful in the country.
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_FAN, has Arkansas seen a running back with the speed/power combo they will face in Hubert?
YES.
We faced Trent Richardson. He went 17 for 128.
We also saw Christine Michael (a&m) 32 for 230.
We give up 174 yards a game on the ground.
You guys will run it down our throats and do so effectively.
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Oklahoma State has over 100+ more pass attempts and plays in a defensively weaker conference. There isn't much comparison.
Arkansas and Texas A&M played, and your comment about their three great wide receivers was HILARIOUS.
You really are that jaded. That's the funniest part.
First, no one is saying that Arkansas' receivers aren't good (or even very good).
2nd, no one here cares about total yards, its already been addressed that the Big 12 runs at a quicker pace and therefore most offenses are simply going to gain more yards. However, the fact that OSU was much more efficient (73% completions compared to 63%) and still averaged the same 8.4 yards per ATTEMPT and its hard not to say OSU has the better passing offense, regardless of whether or not Arkansas' recievers are better or not. Then factor in that OSU allowed only 11 sacks on 553 pass attempts compared to 25 on 440 attempts for Arkansas and its hard not see that OSU's offensive line isn't just better, but much better. Finally throw in that OSU averaged 5.4 yards per carry rushing the football compared to 4.34 YPC for Arkansas.
Again, no one is saying that Arkansas' offense isn't good, because it is. But Big 12 fans know good offense and good skill players when we see them because we see them almost every week. I won't argue that Arkansas didn't face better defenses overall on the season (they did), but the fact is they also faced quite a few average and bad defenses. I don't think is fair (or logical) to say that OSU's offensive numbers (or any Big 12 team) are that much more inflated because of the level of defenses they faced compared to Arkansas (or any SEC team) on the season. Overall as an offense I'd say Arkansas is the 3rd or 4th best offense we've faced this year, but we've played better, even if your receivers (as a unit) are better than any other team we've seen.
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_FAN, has Arkansas seen a running back with the speed/power combo they will face in Hubert?
YES.
We faced Trent Richardson. He went 17 for 128.
We also saw Christine Michael (a&m) 32 for 230.
We give up 174 yards a game on the ground.
You guys will run it down our throats and do so effectively.
We've also faced Michael Dyer, Vick Ballard, Brandon Bolden, and LSU's stable of RBs lol...SEC has some good RBs to make up for some bad pass offenses
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Sean should have his job on the line after the ISU coverage issues.
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Oklahoma State has to be very close, their top 4 have 3000+ yds. Blackmon is head and shoulders over every other receiver in the country, and their others are very good. Kendall Wright is incredible, although Baylor doesn't have too much else, other than the Heisman favorite throwing to them. At A&M, Swope, Fuller and Nwachukwu are a great trio. I agree that Ark's receivers are very, very good, but color me :dubious: that they are much better than what we have seen this year. Wilson vs. any of the top Big XII QBs is at best a wash. Add that to your suspect line when compared to OU / OSU and it is hard for me to believe you will have the success through the air that OU and OSU had against us. I think it will be more along the lines of Baylor and aTm.
Oklahoma State has over 100+ more pass attempts and plays in a defensively weaker conference. There isn't much comparison.
Arkansas and Texas A&M played, and your comment about their three great wide receivers was HILARIOUS.
You really are that jaded. That's the funniest part.
Yep, you're right there is no comparison between OSU and Arky's receivers. None.
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Arky fan says getting pressure on their QB is something we should have relative success with.
Which I hope is true since our two losses involved Landry Jones and Brandon Weeden having all day to throw the football. So is our D-Line good enough/their O-Line bad enough where we can disrupt their QB on a regular basis?
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So is our D-Line good enough/their O-Line bad enough where we can disrupt their QB on a regular basis?
Yes. Kansas State is 90th in sacks this year, so it won't be as prolific as we have seen, but you will get pressure on him.
We are giving up 5 sacks per game and a ton of hits on the QB. KState averages 1.5 sacks per game, so I think three sacks (probably on 3rd downs) is NOT unreasonable to expect. I'd expect 10-15 SOLID hits on Tyler. We've literally watched him get completely lit up all year, it is amazing he pops back up like he does.
Now, who will be making these sacks/hurryups/hits? I don't know. I do NOT think it will be Williams, because he has completely disappeared in big games this year. I think it will be Voelker (SP?) or Brown who will be getting the majority of the pressure. I think Brown will be very instrumental in this game, defensively, for KState. He is not a coverage liability, like a lot of LBs (and like your secondary can be), I think he can match up with our tight end fairly well, and I think with the time Snyder has to scheme, he will be more involved in the Pass Rush than he has been this year.
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We are giving up 5 sacks per game and a ton of hits on the QB. KState averages 1.5 sacks per game, so I think three sacks (probably on 3rd downs) is NOT unreasonable to expect. I'd expect 10-15 SOLID hits on Tyler. We've literally watched him get completely lit up all year, it is amazing he pops back up like he does.
Yep, I think the last game we played, the stats indicated that Tyler Wilson had been hit over 60 times this season. But....he does pop up and keeps on playing. He's one tough dude. Our 2nd string QB is pretty good--and kind of a big guy if I remember correctly. We utilize him on 3rd/4th downs that need a yard or so to convert. He just pushes through whatever is in his way.
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Yep, I think the last game we played, the stats indicated that Tyler Wilson had been hit over 60 times this season. But....he does pop up and keeps on playing. He's one tough dude. Our 2nd string QB is pretty good--and kind of a big guy if I remember correctly. We utilize him on 3rd/4th downs that need a yard or so to convert. He just pushes through whatever is in his way.
Yes! The new statline they referred to this year was HOQB (hits on QB). Wilson has been hit 73 times this season. He's not Michael Vickian, these hits are mostly in the pocket or in that little rollout/boot package they have.
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Anyone want to venture a guess at the Chamber's HOQB stat?
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From pigaggie
Whoooop!! Hog gunna whoopie on them ol' wildcat speshul' teams. wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Pigg Soooey!!!!
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Also, Arkansas' defense (which I'll address later in the week) is not as good as either OU or OSU IMHO.
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Very interested, curious in hearing this, and I know you have your reasons. Tough to fathom a defense not as good as a defense ranked #104, but I definitely agree they are not as good as OU defense.
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I, actually, don't think Special Teams will be a big player in our game against KState.
We capitalized a lot over the course of the season on undisciplined players who over pursue. Snyder has a month to prepare for this game and the WIldcats in general are very disciplined, and most of their coverage issues weren't discipline issues (they were a ST Coach just point blank not putting them in the right position to be successful).
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I, actually, don't think Special Teams will be a big player in our game against KState.
We capitalized a lot over the course of the season on undisciplined players who over pursue. Snyder has a month to prepare for this game and the WIldcats in general are very disciplined, and most of their coverage issues weren't discipline issues (they were a ST Coach just point blank not putting them in the right position to be successful).
True, but with a talent like Adams every time he catches a punt he's a threat.
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I, actually, don't think Special Teams will be a big player in our game against KState.
We capitalized a lot over the course of the season on undisciplined players who over pursue. Snyder has a month to prepare for this game and the WIldcats in general are very disciplined, and most of their coverage issues weren't discipline issues (they were a ST Coach just point blank not putting them in the right position to be successful).
True, but with a talent like Adams every time he catches a punt he's a threat.
I wouldn't be surprised if DJamer gouges you more.
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I, actually, don't think Special Teams will be a big player in our game against KState.
We capitalized a lot over the course of the season on undisciplined players who over pursue. Snyder has a month to prepare for this game and the WIldcats in general are very disciplined, and most of their coverage issues weren't discipline issues (they were a ST Coach just point blank not putting them in the right position to be successful).
which snyder do you mean?
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which snyder do you mean?
Bill. He's a master scheme(r). He plans, organizes, and schemes like no other. Over the course of a month, I think his vision, his plan, his organization, and his schemes pervade themselves into every facet of the program. Special teams, defense, offense. Whereas a mid season game, week to week, Snyder has to pick his battles, in a bowl prep he does not, he can flex all of his muscle and mind.
I, personally, wouldn't be afraid of this game if it was a mid season out of conference game. This, as a bowl game, is and should be terrifying to ALL Arkansas fans.
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god has placed his mark on kstate fball's brow. all the rest of this drivel is meaningless.
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god has placed his mark on kstate fball's brow. all the rest of this drivel is meaningless.
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Kick off returns for Ark really concern me in game that should feature a lot of them. I cannot recall a non-wind aided touchback for Cantele, he is a fine FG kicker but does not seem to have a huge leg.
IMO, Cantele has been told to kickoff high/short/placement over just powering it for a touchback.
I would agree with SwiftCat. If I remember correctly when he first took over kickoff duties a while back he was fairly consistent with touchbacks. Edit: This year it seems he has had significantly fewer touchbacks. Is Shaun that confident in the speed of our kickoff coverage?
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Kick off returns for Ark really concern me in game that should feature a lot of them. I cannot recall a non-wind aided touchback for Cantele, he is a fine FG kicker but does not seem to have a huge leg.
IMO, Cantele has been told to kickoff high/short/placement over just powering it for a touchback.
I would agree with SwiftCat. If I remember correctly when he first took over kickoff duties a while back he was fairly consistent with touchbacks. Edit: This year it seems he has had significantly fewer touchbacks. Is Shaun that confident in the speed of our kickoff coverage?
He has had touchbacks on 19% of his kickoffs this year. As a SO it was 21%.
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Arkansas's defense should be a decent match-up or the Wildcat offense: http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=1698
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"This looks like a team that K-State can force the issue against with their power running game, option football"
This will do it.
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As a result this a pretty solid match-up for K-State and as long as K-State doesn’t have an unconventional day where they turn over the football or can’t get any running game going, the offense should be able to move the ball and put some points on the board.
Leaving the door open for excuse making, if they do stop your offense, eh?
Of all your summaries this one seems to be the most concise and accurate. Bravo, _fan. Like I've said all along, you guys will be able to run the ball down our throats ALL day long.
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It will be interesting to see if our new DC has any impact on the game. Teams ran all over us so our pass defense ranking could be a little inflated. We NEVER learn to look back for the ball in the air! Its just weird because our defense was 2nd in the SEC last year in sacks and TFL and we had everyone back and we got worse...we had some DL injuries but still. You guys should be able to move the ball pretty easily barring a turnover
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Nice write up, _FAN.
One thing you mentioned is how we are the worst team in the league allowing tackles for loss. While this is true, it's also a little misleading due to our heavy run-oriented offense in a pass-dominated league. We lead the league in rushing attempts (566), followed by Texas (554), Kansas (543), and Missouri (542). All 4 teams are (not surpisingly) in the bottom half of the Big12 for allowing tackles for loss. Truth is we are rather bad at giving up TFL, but it's not an astronomical figure, we just give up more because we run more.
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Nice write up, _FAN.
One thing you mentioned is how we are the worst team in the league allowing tackles for loss. While this is true, it's also a little misleading due to our heavy run-oriented offense in a pass-dominated league. We lead the league in rushing attempts (566), followed by Texas (554), Kansas (543), and Missouri (542). All 4 teams are (not surpisingly) in the bottom half of the Big12 for allowing tackles for loss. Truth is we are rather bad at giving up TFL, but it's not an astronomical figure, we just give up more because we run more.
Good points. We also gave up by far the most sacks (36) on by far the fewest attempts (260). Our line is solid in run blocking, but not very good in pass protection. Granted, Klein tends to hold onto the ball quite a bit, but we have quite a few player up front that tend to get beat (often badly) in one on one pass blocking situations. Of course the Big 12 has some pretty good pass rushers as well.
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Special teams could help or hut the Hogs. Joe Adams of course can destroy a punt coverage unit on any given punt, on the other hand we often make mistakes on punt coverage ourselves. I'd call it a wash.
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Special teams could help or hut the Hogs. Joe Adams of course can destroy a punt coverage unit on any given punt, on the other hand we often make mistakes on punt coverage ourselves. I'd call it a wash.
I agree. I'd say the unit most likely that could turn this game is your KO return vs our KO coverage, by far the most concerning STs match-up for K-State. I do think we could block a FG/PAT though.
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Nice write up, _FAN.
One thing you mentioned is how we are the worst team in the league allowing tackles for loss. While this is true, it's also a little misleading due to our heavy run-oriented offense in a pass-dominated league. We lead the league in rushing attempts (566), followed by Texas (554), Kansas (543), and Missouri (542). All 4 teams are (not surpisingly) in the bottom half of the Big12 for allowing tackles for loss. Truth is we are rather bad at giving up TFL, but it's not an astronomical figure, we just give up more because we run more.
Good points. We also gave up by far the most sacks (36) on by far the fewest attempts (260). Our line is solid in run blocking, but not very good in pass protection. Granted, Klein tends to hold onto the ball quite a bit, but we have quite a few player up front that tend to get beat (often badly) in one on one pass blocking situations. Of course the Big 12 has some pretty good pass rushers as well.
hubert running sideline to sideline 82% of the time doesnt help either
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Special teams could help or hut the Hogs. Joe Adams of course can destroy a punt coverage unit on any given punt, on the other hand we often make mistakes on punt coverage ourselves. I'd call it a wash.
I agree. I'd say the unit most likely that could turn this game is your KO return vs our KO coverage, by far the most concerning STs match-up for K-State. I do think we could block a FG/PAT though.
Well, I would say you will probably have plenty of chances to try to block an XP attempt. :ksu:
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Nice write up, _FAN.
One thing you mentioned is how we are the worst team in the league allowing tackles for loss. While this is true, it's also a little misleading due to our heavy run-oriented offense in a pass-dominated league. We lead the league in rushing attempts (566), followed by Texas (554), Kansas (543), and Missouri (542). All 4 teams are (not surpisingly) in the bottom half of the Big12 for allowing tackles for loss. Truth is we are rather bad at giving up TFL, but it's not an astronomical figure, we just give up more because we run more.
Good points. We also gave up by far the most sacks (36) on by far the fewest attempts (260). Our line is solid in run blocking, but not very good in pass protection. Granted, Klein tends to hold onto the ball quite a bit, but we have quite a few player up front that tend to get beat (often badly) in one on one pass blocking situations. Of course the Big 12 has some pretty good pass rushers as well.
hubert running sideline to sideline 82% of the time doesnt help either
It will be very interesting to see how Arkansas handles our stretch read option. I'm sure they've seen plenty of zone read option, but our version of stretch read is fairly unique. I haven't watched enough SEC football to know if anyone does it much there though.
I hope we run more formations with Hubert split out and motion him to the mesh point too. Puts a little more pressure on a defense and really doesn't change much for the offense.
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Nice write up, _FAN.
One thing you mentioned is how we are the worst team in the league allowing tackles for loss. While this is true, it's also a little misleading due to our heavy run-oriented offense in a pass-dominated league. We lead the league in rushing attempts (566), followed by Texas (554), Kansas (543), and Missouri (542). All 4 teams are (not surpisingly) in the bottom half of the Big12 for allowing tackles for loss. Truth is we are rather bad at giving up TFL, but it's not an astronomical figure, we just give up more because we run more.
Good points. We also gave up by far the most sacks (36) on by far the fewest attempts (260). Our line is solid in run blocking, but not very good in pass protection. Granted, Klein tends to hold onto the ball quite a bit, but we have quite a few player up front that tend to get beat (often badly) in one on one pass blocking situations. Of course the Big 12 has some pretty good pass rushers as well.
hubert running sideline to sideline 82% of the time doesnt help either
It will be very interesting to see how Arkansas handles our stretch read option. I'm sure they've seen plenty of zone read option, but our version of stretch read is fairly unique. I haven't watched enough SEC football to know if anyone does it much there though.
I hope we run more formations with Hubert split out and motion him to the mesh point too. Puts a little more pressure on a defense and really doesn't change much for the offense.
personally and this is my two cents, we need to start off by pease banging off tackle and guard to wear them down a bit, then go zone read and spread read. those guys are fast and play even faster. the speed is going to be the biggest challenge and we need to wear them down quickly
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personally and this is my two cents, we need to start off by pease banging off tackle and guard to wear them down a bit, then go zone read and spread read. those guys are fast and play even faster. the speed is going to be the biggest challenge and we need to wear them down quickly
I agree, I've been wanting to see Pease run some power football all year, but I'm not sold it will happen. For whatever reason Snyder only seems to trust Pease in the Wildcat, and after the fumble against aTm we haven't seen even that. Even running power with Hubert, which is what finally got us going against ISU, would be nice to start the game with.
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It will be very interesting to see how Arkansas handles our stretch read option. I'm sure they've seen plenty of zone read option, but our version of stretch read is fairly unique. I haven't watched enough SEC football to know if anyone does it much there though.
I hope we run more formations with Hubert split out and motion him to the mesh point too. Puts a little more pressure on a defense and really doesn't change much for the offense.
Florida under Meyer ran it a little bit, fairly close to the KState version. It complimented that veer/midline/pump stretch. It was neither excellent nor shut down. KState likes to read the ends and we've got two very brainy guys back there. Bequette won't pop up in the stat sheet as one of the best in the SEC, but that's because he had some injury issues midseason. He'll be a playmaker in the game, big time. If the option kills us, it will be our secondary wiffing when the LB pushes the option to the edge. A trademark of Willie Robinson defenses. :-(
Our run fits are not very good in the interior run game. Keep it between the tackles, every once in a while stretch the defense to the perimeter, and play action pass. Passing downs we will tee off on you and I'm not sure how many times Klein will get up after Bequette hits him. I don't think it will come to that, because you guys will run all over us, but if it becomes a passing down game, Bequette will hurt Klein.
Bequette is 7th in the nation in sacks and did so without even playing 3 games and being horribly injured in one game and still being a trooper out there.
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personally and this is my two cents, we need to start off by pease banging off tackle and guard to wear them down a bit, then go zone read and spread read. those guys are fast and play even faster. the speed is going to be the biggest challenge and we need to wear them down quickly
Yes sir! Make your cake the inside running game and the outside/pa the frosting and sprinkles. If they do that, KState may not punt all day.
For some reason the PR teams we have played this year have come out of the gates trying to throw on us, it is down right silly. Just pound us. Don't make it too complicated.
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Florida under Meyer ran it a little bit, fairly close to the KState version. It complimented that veer/midline/pump stretch. It was neither excellent nor shut down. KState likes to read the ends and we've got two very brainy guys back there. Bequette won't pop up in the stat sheet as one of the best in the SEC, but that's because he had some injury issues midseason. He'll be a playmaker in the game, big time. If the option kills us, it will be our secondary wiffing when the LB pushes the option to the edge. A trademark of Willie Robinson defenses. :-(
Our run fits are not very good in the interior run game. Keep it between the tackles, every once in a while stretch the defense to the perimeter, and play action pass. Passing downs we will tee off on you and I'm not sure how many times Klein will get up after Bequette hits him. I don't think it will come to that, because you guys will run all over us, but if it becomes a passing down game, Bequette will hurt Klein.
Bequette is 7th in the nation in sacks and did so without even playing 3 games and being horribly injured in one game and still being a trooper out there.
That is very encouraging to hear as a K-State fan. Klein is at his best running between the tackles and we run power football out of the I pretty effectively. I'm sure we'll see plenty of our single wing look too if that is the case.
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For some reason the PR teams we have played this year have come out of the gates trying to throw on us, it is down right silly. Just pound us. Don't make it too complicated.
Offensive coaches overanalyze and overcoach all the time. I hope we don't, but its likely we will at some point in the game.
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personally and this is my two cents, we need to start off by pease banging off tackle and guard to wear them down a bit, then go zone read and spread read. those guys are fast and play even faster. the speed is going to be the biggest challenge and we need to wear them down quickly
Yes sir! Make your cake the inside running game and the outside/pa the frosting and sprinkles. If they do that, KState may not punt all day.
For some reason the PR teams we have played this year have come out of the gates trying to throw on us, it is down right silly. Just pound us. Don't make it too complicated.
oh we are going to pound the ball, im just not sure how and who with yet. klien could have 30 carries, even though he has done a 180 on passing this year, we actually might come out throwing
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personally and this is my two cents, we need to start off by pease banging off tackle and guard to wear them down a bit, then go zone read and spread read. those guys are fast and play even faster. the speed is going to be the biggest challenge and we need to wear them down quickly
Yes sir! Make your cake the inside running game and the outside/pa the frosting and sprinkles. If they do that, KState may not punt all day.
For some reason the PR teams we have played this year have come out of the gates trying to throw on us, it is down right silly. Just pound us. Don't make it too complicated.
Not so fast my friend. Let's not forget that Willy Robinson is gone. That could bring a change to our philosophy in time for the bowl game (one can only hope.)
Hopefully we put Jericho Nelson right behind Bequette and tell him that his only job is to demolish anyone carrying the ball. Don't go for strips, don't over pursue, don't miss tackles. Just stop the run.
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Not so fast my friend. Let's not forget that Willy Robinson is gone. That could bring a change to our philosophy in time for the bowl game (one can only hope.)
Hopefully we put Jericho Nelson right behind Bequette and tell him that his only job is to demolish anyone carrying the ball. Don't go for strips, don't over pursue, don't miss tackles. Just stop the run.
I'm not a Willy(ie) fan, but if you think a first GAME DCoordinator will come in and fix our run fit problems after...
1. Having never worked a single down with a group that wasn't in the secondary.
2. Having only worked a few weeks with our defensive unit.
3. Having NEVER called defenses (he didn't call them at OSU, Jim Heacock did)
You are out ya mind, boy. Don't be holding your breath for our defense to come out like gangbusters, because it won't happen.
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Not so fast my friend. Let's not forget that Willy Robinson is gone. That could bring a change to our philosophy in time for the bowl game (one can only hope.)
Hopefully we put Jericho Nelson right behind Bequette and tell him that his only job is to demolish anyone carrying the ball. Don't go for strips, don't over pursue, don't miss tackles. Just stop the run.
I'm not a Willy(ie) fan, but if you think a first GAME DCoordinator will come in and fix our run fit problems after...
1. Having never worked a single down with a group that wasn't in the secondary.
2. Having only worked a few weeks with our defensive unit.
3. Having NEVER called defenses (he didn't call them at OSU, Jim Heacock did)
You are out ya mind, boy. Don't be holding your breath for our defense to come out like gangbusters, because it won't happen.
Oh no, I think we have a LONG ways to go before our defense is "fixed". I 'm more hoping for a bandaid in this game.
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Not so fast my friend. Let's not forget that Willy Robinson is gone. That could bring a change to our philosophy in time for the bowl game (one can only hope.)
Hopefully we put Jericho Nelson right behind Bequette and tell him that his only job is to demolish anyone carrying the ball. Don't go for strips, don't over pursue, don't miss tackles. Just stop the run.
I'm not a Willy(ie) fan, but if you think a first GAME DCoordinator will come in and fix our run fit problems after...
1. Having never worked a single down with a group that wasn't in the secondary.
2. Having only worked a few weeks with our defensive unit.
3. Having NEVER called defenses (he didn't call them at OSU, Jim Heacock did)
You are out ya mind, boy. Don't be holding your breath for our defense to come out like gangbusters, because it won't happen.
At his PC today he said he called plays the last 7 years at OSU...that made me wonder because i didnt think he did either
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At his PC today he said he called plays the last 7 years at OSU...that made me wonder because i didnt think he did either
I don't know why he'd say that. Maybe he meant calling coverage? Some, not many but some, programs call "coverage-fit-front" in their defensive scheme. I guess it would be reasonable to think maybe he was calling coverage. Even then, when you watched the sidelines over that entire period of time, Heacock was the one calling all the shots.
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sounds like we will assrape arky.
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amazing content thanks _FAN
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sounds like we will assrape arky.
Our play calling is like a better Texas A&M with better players. We may not be able to slow you down, but don't be surprised to see Razorback wide receivers running free, wide open in your secondary.
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god has placed his mark on kstate fball's brow. all the rest of this drivel is meaningless.
Wow! Way to provide something of substance to the discussion. :facepalm:
While we have had difficult on the O-line, we also saw Tyler (Wilson) show some progress in running the ball himself when he was out of other options. Did not see that in the early part of season.
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sounds like we will assrape arky.
Our play calling is like a better Texas A&M with better players. We may not be able to slow you down, but don't be surprised to see Razorback wide receivers running free, wide open in your secondary.
If by secondary you mean 15 yards down the middle of the field, I will not be surprised at all.
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sounds like we will assrape arky.
Our play calling is like a better Texas A&M with better players. We may not be able to slow you down, but don't be surprised to see Razorback wide receivers running free, wide open in your secondary.
All of 4 points better.
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sounds like we will assrape arky.
Our play calling is like a better Texas A&M with better players. We may not be able to slow you down, but don't be surprised to see Razorback wide receivers running free, wide open in your secondary.
All of 4 points better.
we had a lot of defensive injuries in that game fwiw
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sounds like we will assrape arky.
Our play calling is like a better Texas A&M with better players. We may not be able to slow you down, but don't be surprised to see Razorback wide receivers running free, wide open in your secondary.
All of 4 points better.
we had a lot of defensive injuries in that game fwiw
Including a top 10 defensive lineman that will show Mr. Klein how soft the Jerry World turf is, at least once.
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sounds like we will assrape arky.
Gross.
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Dear God,
Please let Kstate be arrogant enough to kick and punt to Razorback Joe Adams, each and every time.
I know that the meek shall inherit the Earth--but that young man is a hell of a punt/kick returner (forgive me for cursing, Lord!)
In your most Holy name,
Amen
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sounds like we will assrape arky.
Gross.
I have to laugh at the irony of a dude named poopsammich saying gross about anything. :barf:
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god has placed his mark on kstate fball's brow. all the rest of this drivel is meaningless.
Wow! Way to provide something of substance to the discussion. :facepalm:
i provided the only post of substance, dumbass. you'll see that after you outgain kstate fball by 400 yards and lose by 3.
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Also, Arkansas' defense (which I'll address later in the week) is not as good as either OU or OSU IMHO.
Very interested, curious in hearing this, and I know you have your reasons. Tough to fathom a defense not as good as a defense ranked #104, but I definitely agree they are not as good as OU defense.
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You are correct about our defense not being in the league of OU. Until the OU/OSU game I might have debated our merits vs. those of OSU. Now you may be right there as well. I think K-State is the worst possible matchup for us, short of AL/LSU. I say this for two fundamental reasons. First, you have the ability to pound us on the ground, limiting our offense's opportunities. Second, you will hit our QB. Hell, Pittsburg State would probably get to Tyler repeatedly. I think our game will be along the lines of what you see when you play TAM, TT, and the other second tier big 12 teams. In the SEC this year, you had AL/LSU, and then a big drop off to everyone else, us included. It will be interesting to see how two upper-middles from the SEC and Big 12 match up.
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Oklahoma State has over 100+ more pass attempts and plays in a defensively weaker conference. There isn't much comparison.
Arkansas and Texas A&M played, and your comment about their three great wide receivers was HILARIOUS.
You really are that jaded. That's the funniest part.
First, no one is saying that Arkansas' receivers aren't good (or even very good).
2nd, no one here cares about total yards, its already been addressed that the Big 12 runs at a quicker pace and therefore most offenses are simply going to gain more yards. However, the fact that OSU was much more efficient (73% completions compared to 63%) and still averaged the same 8.4 yards per ATTEMPT and its hard not to say OSU has the better passing offense, regardless of whether or not Arkansas' recievers are better or not. Then factor in that OSU allowed only 11 sacks on 553 pass attempts compared to 25 on 440 attempts for Arkansas and its hard not see that OSU's offensive line isn't just better, but much better. Finally throw in that OSU averaged 5.4 yards per carry rushing the football compared to 4.34 YPC for Arkansas.
Again, no one is saying that Arkansas' offense isn't good, because it is. But Big 12 fans know good offense and good skill players when we see them because we see them almost every week. I won't argue that Arkansas didn't face better defenses overall on the season (they did), but the fact is they also faced quite a few average and bad defenses. I don't think is fair (or logical) to say that OSU's offensive numbers (or any Big 12 team) are that much more inflated because of the level of defenses they faced compared to Arkansas (or any SEC team) on the season. Overall as an offense I'd say Arkansas is the 3rd or 4th best offense we've faced this year, but we've played better, even if your receivers (as a unit) are better than any other team we've seen.
I watched every oSu and Arkansas game this season. It's very difficult to compare the two. Arkansas had injury problems with every one of their top 4 RB's this year which hurt them. Last year, once Knile Davis became the #1 RB, he averaged 147 ypg his last 7 games against LSU, Ohio State, MS State, South Carolina, etc. (all Top 15 teams). Dennis Johnson, this year's #1 RB, missed the early season coming off a serious injury last season. Had they been healthy all year, they would have matched oSu's run output.
Also, Petrino pulled Tyler Wilson early in their 3 easy non-conference games, two at halftime. He only threw 86 passes in those first 3 games so backup Brandon Mitchell could get reps. Gundy left Weeden in the game into the 4th against LA-La, AZ and TU where he was able to exploit very weak defenses padding his stats (see his 131 passes those 3 games). Also, Weeden didn't have to face anyone with near the fire power on defense as Bama and LSU.
Not saying which offense is better, just that big picture season stats are somewhat apples and oranges when you drill down on specifics.
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We are giving up 5 sacks per game and a ton of hits on the QB. KState averages 1.5 sacks per game, so I think three sacks (probably on 3rd downs) is NOT unreasonable to expect. I'd expect 10-15 SOLID hits on Tyler. We've literally watched him get completely lit up all year, it is amazing he pops back up like he does.
Yep, I think the last game we played, the stats indicated that Tyler Wilson had been hit over 60 times this season. But....he does pop up and keeps on playing. He's one tough dude. Our 2nd string QB is pretty good--and kind of a big guy if I remember correctly. We utilize him on 3rd/4th downs that need a yard or so to convert. He just pushes through whatever is in his way.
One reason he gets hit SO often is because he stands tall in the pocket and delivers with poise KNOWING he's going to be hit. Other QB's would have ducked out or crouched down and not delivered the pass half of those hits. That's a BIG plus of Wilson's game. He had the same poise and patience in the pocket against NC Auburn last year when Mallett went down which is why he was able to throw for 330+ yards and 4 TD's in 3 quarters coming in cold off the bench.
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It will be interesting to see if our new DC has any impact on the game.
The defensive scheme is 100% Petrino. In fact, EVERY facet of the game is 100% Petrino schemed. Willy Robinson merely called the plays Petrino designed. Whether the new DC will be able to install his own defense next year is a question for next year, not the Cotton Bowl. Petrino calls the offensive plays he also designed. Not having OC Garrick McGee to work with Tyler might hurt a little bit, but Tyler knows Paul Petrino well (this is Tyler's 4th year, 2 with Paul as OC, 2 with McGee as OC). Not having Robinson is not going to make much difference.
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it really is a treat to see _FAN shut down all these arky's. :katpak: :katpak:
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it really is a treat to see _FAN shut down all these arky's. :katpak: :katpak:
It sure is.. Man you guys are sooooo cool..!
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Congrats to Arkansas. The team that made the fewest mistakes, but also the most plays, won the game.
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Don't think we saw the best efforts of either team out there. Not a lot to brag about either way.
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Surprising performance by the Arky defense IMO. I think their speed was the big difference and perhaps the speed of their front four was something we haven't seen this year.
I was led to believe we should have been able to run on them with ease. CK did have a couple of nice runs, but we were NEVER close to imposing our will in the running game. Also, when that safety closed on Klein with ease as he was trying to get to the sideline and the first down marker in the first half (I think), I knew there would be nothing easy for our running game.