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Title: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: That_Guy on November 30, 2011, 06:47:56 PM
Team Sams.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: pc5k on November 30, 2011, 07:09:48 PM
Although this poll is pointless i had to vote for Sams cuz the guy is 110% EMAW
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: doom on November 30, 2011, 07:15:08 PM
Bender is okay.  Sams has the only real potential of the two.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: bigwilliestyle1407 on November 30, 2011, 07:15:52 PM
Although this poll is pointless i had to vote for Sams cuz the guy is 110% EMAW

Sams is very EMAW..... but Bender is all about the Cats as well... Just excited to have two athletic Dual threat Qb's to push each other...... :excited:
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: pc5k on November 30, 2011, 07:22:26 PM
Although this poll is pointless i had to vote for Sams cuz the guy is 110% EMAW

Just excited to have two athletic Dual threat Qb's to push each other...... :excited:

No doubt, I don't think Bill has had 2 qb's of this caliber at the same time since Beasley/ Roberson
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: Boakai on November 30, 2011, 07:28:31 PM
Team whichever-one-does-best-i-will-jump-on-the-band-wagon-and-complain-about-how-we-should-use-the-other-at-receiver
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: Cire on November 30, 2011, 08:00:33 PM
Whichever ones body holds up the best after ob slams it into the other team 30 times a game
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 30, 2011, 08:09:59 PM
Both.  Team Smender
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: wetwillie on November 30, 2011, 08:16:41 PM
Tuggle is the darkest horse of them all
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: steve dave on November 30, 2011, 08:23:35 PM
Tuggle is the darkest horse of them all

tuggle is dark horse to move to LB next year fwiw (goEMAW premium on the free board courtesy of your pal sd).  Sams by a billion miles.  Much better athlete.  
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 30, 2011, 08:27:40 PM
Tuggle is the darkest horse of them all

tuggle is dark horse to move to LB next year fwiw (goEMAW premium on the free board courtesy of your pal sd).  Sams by a billion miles.  Much better athlete.  

psheesh

another mod giving away premium
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: Katpappy on November 30, 2011, 08:54:19 PM
Although this poll is pointless i had to vote for Sams cuz the guy is 110% EMAW

Just excited to have two athletic Dual threat Qb's to push each other...... :excited:

No doubt, I don't think Bill has had 2 qb's of this caliber at the same time since Beasley/ Roberson
Jeez, I'll never thought we would be talking about how good our QB's will be under Synder.  Brings me back to the turn of the century.   :thumbsup:
 
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: bigwilliestyle1407 on November 30, 2011, 08:55:43 PM
Tuggle is the darkest horse of them all

Tuggle to replace 2y's next year......  ;)
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: HeinBallz on November 30, 2011, 09:40:46 PM
Team Sams.

Hello Daniel.  :adios:
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: SdK on November 30, 2011, 11:09:56 PM
Team Sams.

Hello Daniel.  :adios:

How do you know it's not Bender trying to gauge the situation?
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 30, 2011, 11:12:05 PM
Team Sams.

Daniel, did you bone those girls in that Lisa Frank sleeping bag?  Was it hard to get it up when surrounded by something so weird?
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: ednksu on December 01, 2011, 12:14:34 AM
this could be the beginning of Bill spawning a new WTF offense.  Who needs a dedicated RB when you just put multiple dual thread qbs in the back field and let crap play out. 

And people though Bo came up with something new with that zone read push out to option against Michigan.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: 1988 on December 01, 2011, 02:08:22 AM
Team Klein  :emawkid:
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: SdK on December 01, 2011, 08:29:24 AM
this could be the beginning of Bill spawning a new WTF offense.  Who needs a dedicated RB when you just put multiple dual thread qbs in the back field and let crap play out. 


I want this.
Title: Re: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: 8manpick on December 01, 2011, 08:53:31 AM
Bender will redshirt if he is going to stay at QB. #TeamKleinQBSamsWildcat&WR BenderRS
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: steve dave on December 01, 2011, 09:06:42 AM
I don't understand that "Sams as the wildcat QB" stuff
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: doom on December 01, 2011, 09:07:50 AM
I don't understand that "Sams as the wildcat QB" stuff

Wouldn't hurt to get him on the field next year.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: 8manpick on December 01, 2011, 09:12:32 AM
I don't understand that "Sams as the wildcat QB" stuff
Probably no point, Klein does rather well in that role. Unless Sams is significantly quicker we probably gain nothing except a fresher Chamber. Would be nice to have Sams do something other than carry a clipboard all year.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: steve dave on December 01, 2011, 09:15:41 AM
I don't understand that "Sams as the wildcat QB" stuff

Wouldn't hurt to get him on the field next year.

wtf does that have to do with anything?
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: steve dave on December 01, 2011, 09:23:24 AM
what I'm saying is he probably has a better arm than Klein so why would you call the Sams package the "wildcat" and not the "Sams throwing laser rocket passes all over the field and also running if he feels like it" package?
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: jtksu on December 01, 2011, 09:24:10 AM
I'm probably going to wait until Bender start practicing to pick a favorite.  I really need to see who does things the right wayerest before I can make an informed decision.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: DQ12 on December 01, 2011, 10:46:54 AM
what I'm saying is he probably has a better arm than Klein so why would you call the Sams package the "wildcat" and not the "Sams throwing laser rocket passes all over the field and also running if he feels like it" package?
It's because Sams is black.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: steve dave on December 01, 2011, 10:57:13 AM
what I'm saying is he probably has a better arm than Klein so why would you call the Sams package the "wildcat" and not the "Sams throwing laser rocket passes all over the field and also running if he feels like it" package?
It's because Sams is black.

yeah
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: doom on December 01, 2011, 11:00:05 AM
I just want Sams to do well so he can upgrade his jersey chaser selection. 
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: MadCat on December 01, 2011, 11:01:51 AM
When has the "wildcat" formation really worked for us?  Everybody always says how it adds another blocker, etc.  For some reason, it seems our opposing defenses get an extra tackler on these plays.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 01, 2011, 11:04:47 AM
When has the "wildcat" formation really worked for us?  Everybody always says how it adds another blocker, etc.  For some reason, it seems our opposing defenses get an extra tackler on these plays.

Klein runs it pretty well. I don't really like it with Pease, though.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on December 01, 2011, 11:10:28 AM
the "Sams throwing laser rocket passes all over the field and also running if he feels like it" package?

:cheese:
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: felix rex on December 01, 2011, 11:34:43 AM
When has the "wildcat" formation really worked for us?  Everybody always says how it adds another blocker, etc.  For some reason, it seems our opposing defenses get an extra tackler on these plays.

_fan broke down the short yardage effectiveness of DT in the wildcat last year. Also, Pease scored a TD. Also, it's pretty much what we run every down this year.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: 8manpick on December 01, 2011, 11:47:18 AM
what I'm saying is he probably has a better arm than Klein so why would you call the Sams package the "wildcat" and not the "Sams throwing laser rocket passes all over the field and also running if he feels like it" package?
It's because Sams is black. known to be a pretty good athlete regardless of skin color.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: J on December 01, 2011, 11:51:53 AM
I'm so proud of you guys. #teamsams

Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: kso_FAN on December 01, 2011, 12:19:26 PM
When has the "wildcat" formation really worked for us?  Everybody always says how it adds another blocker, etc.  For some reason, it seems our opposing defenses get an extra tackler on these plays.

Not great, but not terrible. Pease averages nearly 5 YPC and has 2 TDs (on 24 carries) in conference games and almost everyone of his runs was out of the Wildcat.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: MadCat on December 01, 2011, 12:23:07 PM
When has the "wildcat" formation really worked for us?  Everybody always says how it adds another blocker, etc.  For some reason, it seems our opposing defenses get an extra tackler on these plays.

Not great, but not terrible. Pease averages nearly 5 YPC and has 2 TDs (on 24 carries) in conference games and almost everyone of his runs was out of the Wildcat.

I guess I'm waiting for something spectacular, but I shouldn't have that expectation with this team.  My bad
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: SwiftCat on December 01, 2011, 12:31:34 PM
When has the "wildcat" formation really worked for us?  Everybody always says how it adds another blocker, etc.  For some reason, it seems our opposing defenses get an extra tackler on these plays.

Not great, but not terrible. Pease averages nearly 5 YPC and has 2 TDs (on 24 carries) in conference games and almost everyone of his runs was out of the Wildcat.

I guess I'm waiting for something spectacular, but I shouldn't have that expectation with this team.  My bad

The wildcat isn't really designed to be spectacular. It's designed to get you past the linemen and linebackers.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: kso_FAN on December 01, 2011, 12:33:38 PM
When has the "wildcat" formation really worked for us?  Everybody always says how it adds another blocker, etc.  For some reason, it seems our opposing defenses get an extra tackler on these plays.

Not great, but not terrible. Pease averages nearly 5 YPC and has 2 TDs (on 24 carries) in conference games and almost everyone of his runs was out of the Wildcat.

I guess I'm waiting for something spectacular, but I shouldn't have that expectation with this team.  My bad

I think this is the misconception of the Wildcat though. It has become something that it is not, it seems like most fans think of it like a gadget play that should score, similar to a reverse pass or flee flicker pass. I don't think that was ever the purpose; but what it does do is often create a numbers advantage in the running game and a coach can be confident that his team is going to get a positive gain from it; but not necessarily a "big play'. Also, its another facet that a defense has to spend time preparing for during the week. I've just come to think of it as part of the running game and a specific package, sort of like zone/stretch read option is a package that is part of our running game scheme. If a major part of your running game scheme averages nearly 5 YPC its hard to complain.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: MadCat on December 01, 2011, 02:11:46 PM
When has the "wildcat" formation really worked for us?  Everybody always says how it adds another blocker, etc.  For some reason, it seems our opposing defenses get an extra tackler on these plays.

Not great, but not terrible. Pease averages nearly 5 YPC and has 2 TDs (on 24 carries) in conference games and almost everyone of his runs was out of the Wildcat.

I guess I'm waiting for something spectacular, but I shouldn't have that expectation with this team.  My bad

I think this is the misconception of the Wildcat though. It has become something that it is not, it seems like most fans think of it like a gadget play that should score, similar to a reverse pass or flee flicker pass. I don't think that was ever the purpose; but what it does do is often create a numbers advantage in the running game and a coach can be confident that his team is going to get a positive gain from it; but not necessarily a "big play'. Also, its another facet that a defense has to spend time preparing for during the week. I've just come to think of it as part of the running game and a specific package, sort of like zone/stretch read option is a package that is part of our running game scheme. If a major part of your running game scheme averages nearly 5 YPC its hard to complain.
Agreed
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: Ibgettnbuckets on December 01, 2011, 02:27:49 PM
Im all about Sams too, however he is taking more snaps at WR in practice, have heard some Rumblings he would make Blackmon look like a bitch.    :drool:
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: eastcat on December 02, 2011, 01:00:21 AM
Im all about Sams too, however he is taking more snaps at WR in practice, have heard some Rumblings he would make Blackmon look like a bitch.    :drool:

haha, no.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: SwiftCat on December 02, 2011, 01:08:27 AM
Im all about Sams too, however he is taking more snaps at WR in practice, have heard some Rumblings he would make Blackmon look like a bitch.    :drool:

haha, no.

haha, yes, eastcat. My A- source wouldn't lie.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 02, 2011, 07:26:10 AM
Team Sams until i hear rumblings Bender is amazing or something.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: Emo EMAW on December 02, 2011, 08:41:12 AM
When has the "wildcat" formation really worked for us?  Everybody always says how it adds another blocker, etc.  For some reason, it seems our opposing defenses get an extra tackler on these plays.

It's because whenever we go wildcat the other team swaps a safety for a spy.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: felix rex on December 02, 2011, 10:32:57 AM
Remember that time DT passed it to Banks? Oh man. Good times.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: LickNeckey on December 02, 2011, 10:35:58 AM
staff is very high on Bender and are extremely excited about what he brings both physically and in terms of intangibles

also Sams brings versatility and ability to be productive at a number of offesive positions

= Bender at QB in 2013
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: stunted on December 02, 2011, 12:30:09 PM
I'm going with a darkhorse mystery QB.
Title: Re: Sams vs. Bender
Post by: MadCat on December 02, 2011, 01:08:13 PM
I'm going with a darkhorse mystery QB.
Sam Johnson?