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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 26, 2011, 09:15:10 PM
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Ok, so now that a Big 12 BCS At-Large is almost totally :flush:, where do the Cats end up?
Assuming we beat ISU, Cotton has to prefer us over a 9-3 OU if they lose next week. But if OU wins, who gets the nod?
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As long as we get our Big 12 Championship trophy I couldn't give a rough ridin' crap where our bowl game ends up. :users:
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As long as we get our Big 12 Championship trophy I couldn't give a rough ridin' crap where our bowl game ends up. :users:
Yeah I agree. OU has started looking like crap again though so we may not get it.
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Is Houston supposed to go to the sugar?
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I have thought all year that OU would be OSU. After watching the OU ISU game today I'm not so sure. It was like Stoops was trying to give ISU a reason to stick around. Boomer Sooner? :dunno:
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It sucks that Houston has to be invited.
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I just don't care about stupid BCS game. Cotton is better.
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I just don't care about stupid BCS game. Cotton is better.
If OU wins, I think they'll get Cotton.
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Right now, it looks like this:
Nat Title: LSU v Bama
Fiesta: OU/OSU v Stanford
Orange: VaTech/Clemson v Louisville
Rose: Oregon v MichiganSt/Wisconsin
Sugar: Michigan v Houston
There is no room for us in there. Everyone pray for Cotton. Pray hard.
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Yeah, because OSU was amazing in their last game. :flush:
OU's going to boatrace them. Book it.
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Right now, it looks like this:
Nat Title: LSU v Bama
Fiesta: OU/OSU v Stanford
Orange: VaTech/Clemson v Louisville
Rose: Oregon v MichiganSt/Wisconsin
Sugar: Michigan v Houston
There is no room for us in there. Everyone pray for Cotton. Pray hard.
If both teams end up 10-2, and OU wins Bedlam, they'll get the Sugar over Michigan. If you're running the Sugar Bowl, you know that fans from Norman will drive the six hours to New Orleans vs. all of the Michigan fans. I mean, seriously, you have two teams within eight hours of NO...that's who they're going to go with. Especially if OU ends up in the Top 8.
If it came down to KSU and Michigan, yeah, I'd probably say Michigan. But OU vs. Michigan? I'll go with OU.
I mean, really, if we beat ISU and OU wins Bedlam, we'll get a share of the B12 title and a Cotton Bowl. Not a bad season.
Also, in your scenario, if we beat ISU, there is no way OU ends up in the Fiesta. Tiebreaker stipulations if we all end up at 7-2 mean OU is technically third since OSU and KSU both beat Baylor, and that's the criteria if there's a three way tie. OU ends up in the Fiesta if we lose to ISU and they beat OSU. If we beat ISU, there's no possible way they end up in the Fiesta regardless of how Bedlam shakes out.
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Right now, it looks like this:
Nat Title: LSU v Bama
Fiesta: OU/OSU v Stanford
Orange: VaTech/Clemson v Louisville
Rose: Oregon v MichiganSt/Wisconsin
Sugar: Michigan v Houston
There is no room for us in there. Everyone pray for Cotton. Pray hard.
If both teams end up 10-2, and OU wins Bedlam, they'll get the Sugar over Michigan. If you're running the Sugar Bowl, you know that fans from Norman will drive the six hours to New Orleans vs. all of the Michigan fans. I mean, seriously, you have two teams within eight hours of NO...that's who they're going to go with. Especially if OU ends up in the Top 8.
If it came down to KSU and Michigan, yeah, I'd probably say Michigan. But OU vs. Michigan? I'll go with OU.
I mean, really, if we beat ISU and OU wins Bedlam, we'll get a share of the B12 title and a Cotton Bowl. Not a bad season.
If OU wins next week. wouldn't they go to Fiesta?
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Right now, it looks like this:
Nat Title: LSU v Bama
Fiesta: OU/OSU v Stanford
Orange: VaTech/Clemson v Louisville
Rose: Oregon v MichiganSt/Wisconsin
Sugar: Michigan v Houston
There is no room for us in there. Everyone pray for Cotton. Pray hard.
If both teams end up 10-2, and OU wins Bedlam, they'll get the Sugar over Michigan. If you're running the Sugar Bowl, you know that fans from Norman will drive the six hours to New Orleans vs. all of the Michigan fans. I mean, seriously, you have two teams within eight hours of NO...that's who they're going to go with. Especially if OU ends up in the Top 8.
If it came down to KSU and Michigan, yeah, I'd probably say Michigan. But OU vs. Michigan? I'll go with OU.
I mean, really, if we beat ISU and OU wins Bedlam, we'll get a share of the B12 title and a Cotton Bowl. Not a bad season.
If OU wins next week. wouldn't they go to Fiesta?
Yes. So I'm not sure why I said they would go to Cotton if they win. I think there is a good chance OSU goes to Cotton over us if they lose next week.
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If OU wins next week. They get the big12 automatic bid. So that leaves us and OSU for Cotton.
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Only three scenarios exist in my mind
1. OU beats OSU: Cats get coveted Big 12 Title go to alamo bowl(ideal scenario)
2. OU loses to OSU, T Boone buys his way into the NC game, Cats go to Fiesta(far from ideal)
3. OU loses to OSU, BCS tells T Boone NO DENIED, OSU goes to Fiesta, OU goes to Cotton, Cats go to Alamo( I become inconsolable after meltdown)
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Right now, it looks like this:
Nat Title: LSU v Bama
Fiesta: OU/OSU v Stanford
Orange: VaTech/Clemson v Louisville
Rose: Oregon v MichiganSt/Wisconsin
Sugar: Michigan v Houston
There is no room for us in there. Everyone pray for Cotton. Pray hard.
If both teams end up 10-2, and OU wins Bedlam, they'll get the Sugar over Michigan. If you're running the Sugar Bowl, you know that fans from Norman will drive the six hours to New Orleans vs. all of the Michigan fans. I mean, seriously, you have two teams within eight hours of NO...that's who they're going to go with. Especially if OU ends up in the Top 8.
If it came down to KSU and Michigan, yeah, I'd probably say Michigan. But OU vs. Michigan? I'll go with OU.
I mean, really, if we beat ISU and OU wins Bedlam, we'll get a share of the B12 title and a Cotton Bowl. Not a bad season.
If OU wins next week. wouldn't they go to Fiesta?
Yes
If we beat ISU, no. Since there would be a three way tie, the next criteria would be head-to-head victories against the #4 team, which would be Baylor. Because KSU and OSU beat Baylor, and OU didn't, it would then go head-to-head between OSU and KSU, which we lose.
If we beat ISU, there is no way OU goes to the Fiesta. So, you're wrong.
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If OU wins next week. They get the big12 automatic bid. So that leaves us and OSU for Cotton.
Wrong.
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If OU wins next week. They get the big12 automatic bid. So that leaves us and OSU for Cotton.
Wrong.
Pretty sure they do, they have head-to-head over both OSU and KSU.
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The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.
Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.
This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.
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If OU wins next week. They get the big12 automatic bid. So that leaves us and OSU for Cotton.
Wrong.
Would OSU still have the higher BCS ranking even after a loss?
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Only three scenarios exist in my mind
1. OU beats OSU: Cats get coveted Big 12 Title go to alamo bowl(ideal scenario)
2. OU loses to OSU, T Boone buys his way into the NC game, Cats go to Fiesta(far from ideal)
3. OU loses to OSU, BCS tells T Boone NO DENIED, OSU goes to Fiesta, OU goes to Cotton, Cats go to Alamo( I become inconsolable after meltdown)
Scenarios if KSU beats ISU:
OSU beats OU: KSU finishes second in Big 12, and most likely ends up in Cotton Bowl over 9-3 OU.
OU beats OSU: KSU finished in 3-way tie for first in Big 12, gets a trophy, and ends up in Cotton Bowl after OSU gets Fiesta bid and OU gets an at-large to Sugar Bowl
There really aren't other scenarios than that. That's really all there is.
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Only three scenarios exist in my mind
1. OU beats OSU: Cats get coveted Big 12 Title go to alamo bowl(ideal scenario)
2. OU loses to OSU, T Boone buys his way into the NC game, Cats go to Fiesta(far from ideal)
3. OU loses to OSU, BCS tells T Boone NO DENIED, OSU goes to Fiesta, OU goes to Cotton, Cats go to Alamo( I become inconsolable after meltdown)
Scenarios if KSU beats ISU:
OSU beats OU: KSU finishes second in Big 12, and most likely ends up in Cotton Bowl over 9-3 OU.
OU beats OSU: KSU finished in 3-way tie for first in Big 12, gets a trophy, and ends up in Cotton Bowl after OSU gets Fiesta bid and OU gets an at-large to Sugar Bowl
There really aren't other scenarios than that. That's really all there is.
If OU wins, they would be Big12 champ and would be in Fiesta.
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I just don't care about stupid BCS game. Cotton is better.
Agree. We may not even have to worry about this stupid BCS selection process in the future anyway.
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If OU wins next week. They get the big12 automatic bid. So that leaves us and OSU for Cotton.
Wrong.
Pretty sure they do, they have head-to-head over both OSU and KSU.
The following procedure will determine the Big 12 Conference representative to the Bowl Championship Series in the event of a first-place tie:
If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 4 will be followed until a determination is made. Once a team has been eliminated from a multi-team comparison, it is dropped from further comparisons. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.
The records of the three teams will be compared against each other
The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in the conference
The highest ranked team in the first Bowl Championship Series Poll following the completion of Big 12 regular season conference play shall be the representative, unless the two highest ranked tied teams are ranked within one spot of the other in the BCS poll. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two highest ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the Bowl Championship Series.
The representative will be chosen by draw.
I was wrong, you were correct. Strike everything I said before this. I missed that line and skipped to the next one.
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The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.
Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.
This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.
This. However, if we beat isu and big game bob loses, it will be hard for me not to be mad at someone/something. But I'll probably just take out my anger on frank/bball. Kinda win/win for me now that I think about it.
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Only three scenarios exist in my mind
1. OU beats OSU: Cats get coveted Big 12 Title go to alamo bowl(ideal scenario)
2. OU loses to OSU, T Boone buys his way into the NC game, Cats go to Fiesta(far from ideal)
3. OU loses to OSU, BCS tells T Boone NO DENIED, OSU goes to Fiesta, OU goes to Cotton, Cats go to Alamo( I become inconsolable after meltdown)
Scenarios if KSU beats ISU:
OSU beats OU: KSU finishes second in Big 12, and most likely ends up in Cotton Bowl over 9-3 OU.
OU beats OSU: KSU finished in 3-way tie for first in Big 12, gets a trophy, and ends up in Cotton Bowl after OSU gets Fiesta bid and OU gets an at-large to Sugar Bowl
There really aren't other scenarios than that. That's really all there is.
Good god, this, and other posts, are just wrong. If OU wins, they go to Fiesta, because that's where the Big 12 champ goes (unless they go to the NC). And the Big 12 is not currently getting an at-large bid to the Sugar Bowl, and it is extremely unlikely at this point that a spot will open up.
Thanks luke, we've already established that.
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Not sure if this matters, but OSU has been in the Cotton Bowl in 2004 and 2010 (losing both times to Ole Miss, by the way). Not sure if this would make any difference for the Cotton committee.
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The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.
Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.
This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.
Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games? That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.
I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition. Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14. Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.
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Only three scenarios exist in my mind
1. OU beats OSU: Cats get coveted Big 12 Title go to alamo bowl(ideal scenario)
2. OU loses to OSU, T Boone buys his way into the NC game, Cats go to Fiesta(far from ideal)
3. OU loses to OSU, BCS tells T Boone NO DENIED, OSU goes to Fiesta, OU goes to Cotton, Cats go to Alamo( I become inconsolable after meltdown)
Scenarios if KSU beats ISU:
OSU beats OU: KSU finishes second in Big 12, and most likely ends up in Cotton Bowl over 9-3 OU.
OU beats OSU: KSU finished in 3-way tie for first in Big 12, gets a trophy, and ends up in Cotton Bowl after OSU gets Fiesta bid and OU gets an at-large to Sugar Bowl
There really aren't other scenarios than that. That's really all there is.
Good god, this, and other posts, are just wrong. If OU wins, they go to Fiesta, because that's where the Big 12 champ goes (unless they go to the NC). And the Big 12 is not currently getting an at-large bid to the Sugar Bowl, and it is extremely unlikely at this point that a spot will open up.
I owned up to the error.
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The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.
Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.
This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.
Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games? That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.
I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition. Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14. Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.
Who knows, but I don't like our chances.
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The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.
Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.
This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.
Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games? That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.
I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition. Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14. Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.
I don't disagree with any of that, but its bowl selection. You never know what could happen and there aren't any guarantees.
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I need Steve Dave to log on and tell me that neither a 9-3 OU team or 10-2 OSU team get a Cotton Invite over the cats. And that we would destroy both teams by 94.
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The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.
Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.
This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.
Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games? That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.
I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition. Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14. Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.
Who knows, but I don't like our chances.
It may depend on who the opponent is. I did some more checking, and the Capital One Bowl must select the team with the best record in the SEC outside of the BCS teams. I "think" that would be a 10-2 Arkansas as opposed to a 10-3 Georgia, fresh off of a title-game loss.
After that, the Cotton and the Outback get an almost simultaneous 3/4 pick in the SEC. The Cotton typically takes a West team, while the Outback takes an East team. But if Arkansas is off of the table, it's basically Georgia and South Carolina on the board. My guess is that the Outback gets first crack and takes a 10-2 South Carolina, while the Cotton gets Georgia.
So, if you're the Cotton Bowl, would you want to have your two selections be teams that ended their seasons with a loss? Or do you take Georgia and and pit them against a surprising team in KSU that will travel in droves down to Dallas?
I mean, honestly, I think it's at worst a 40% shot if that's how it shakes out.
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The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.
Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.
This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.
Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games? That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.
I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition. Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14. Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.
Who knows, but I don't like our chances.
It may depend on who the opponent is. I did some more checking, and the Capital One Bowl must select the team with the best record in the SEC outside of the BCS teams. I "think" that would be a 10-2 Arkansas as opposed to a 10-3 Georgia, fresh off of a title-game loss.
After that, the Cotton and the Outback get an almost simultaneous 3/4 pick in the SEC. The Cotton typically takes a West team, while the Outback takes an East team. But if Arkansas is off of the table, it's basically Georgia and South Carolina on the board. My guess is that the Outback gets first crack and takes a 10-2 South Carolina, while the Cotton gets Georgia.
So, if you're the Cotton Bowl, would you want to have your two selections be teams that ended their seasons with a loss? Or do you take Georgia and and pit them against a surprising team in KSU that will travel in droves down to Dallas?
I mean, honestly, I think it's at worst a 40% shot if that's how it shakes out.
Our best chance at Cotton is for me to book non-refundable flights to San Antonio.
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Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games? That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.
I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition. Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14. Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.
I agree with all of this, and it's what I'm banking on. Also, we have the "probable National COTY LHC Bill Snyder" angle in our favor. The only reason I see Cotton taking 10-2 OSU over 10-2 Cats is if they think they can sell more advertising based on OSU's "high power offense." I doubt that travel or ticket sales will be an issue either way - the game is already sold out.
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Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games? That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.
I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition. Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14. Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.
I agree with all of this, and it's what I'm banking on. Also, we have the "probable National COTY LHC LHC Bill Snyder" angle in our favor. The only reason I see Cotton taking 10-2 OSU over 10-2 Cats is if they think they can sell more advertising based on OSU's "high power offense." I doubt that travel or ticket sales will be an issue either way - the game is already sold out.
To the point above, even if OU wins Bedlam, a 10-2 OSU may get a look at the Sugar Bowl due to proximity and the fact that an OSU vs. Houston game may be intriguing because of OSU's BCS rank (which will be a lot higher than Michigan's) and the potential for a shootout of historic proportions due to the nature of both teams. A Houston/OSU game does look better on paper than Houston/Michigan.
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Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games? That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.
I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition. Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14. Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.
I agree with all of this, and it's what I'm banking on. Also, we have the "probable National COTY LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder" angle in our favor. The only reason I see Cotton taking 10-2 OSU over 10-2 Cats is if they think they can sell more advertising based on OSU's "high power offense." I doubt that travel or ticket sales will be an issue either way - the game is already sold out.
To the point above, even if OU wins Bedlam, a 10-2 OSU may get a look at the Sugar Bowl due to proximity and the fact that an OSU vs. Houston game may be intriguing because of OSU's BCS rank (which will be a lot higher than Michigan's) and the potential for a shootout of historic proportions due to the nature of both teams. A Houston/OSU game does look better on paper than Houston/Michigan.
At this point, it is a foregone conclusion that Michigan will be in the sugar bowl.
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Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games? That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.
I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition. Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14. Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.
I agree with all of this, and it's what I'm banking on. Also, we have the "probable National COTY LHC LHC Bill Snyder" angle in our favor. The only reason I see Cotton taking 10-2 OSU over 10-2 Cats is if they think they can sell more advertising based on OSU's "high power offense." I doubt that travel or ticket sales will be an issue either way - the game is already sold out.
To the point above, even if OU wins Bedlam, a 10-2 OSU may get a look at the Sugar Bowl due to proximity and the fact that an OSU vs. Houston game may be intriguing because of OSU's BCS rank (which will be a lot higher than Michigan's) and the potential for a shootout of historic proportions due to the nature of both teams. A Houston/OSU game does look better on paper than Houston/Michigan.
Ticket sales won't matter for both of these bowls. Any team that gets picked for the Cotton or Sugar will sell out their allotment of tickets. It will be all about which teams will bring the most national TV audience.
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Well, one benefit to the Alamo Bowl would be that it would give us a great chance for an 11th win considering that Oregon and Stanford are headed to the BCS, while USC is ineligible.
Here are the leading candidates for the Pac-12 spot in the Alamo:
Washington (7-5)
Utah (7-5)
Cal (7-5)
Arizona St. (6-6)
I honestly have no idea who would get the bid there. Maybe Washington since they had the best Pac-12 record?
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I had a dream last night that the Cats got Arky in the Cotton and Texas got Nubb in the Insight.
I woke up giggling.
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I had a dream last night that the Cats got Arky in the Cotton and Texas got Nubb in the Insight.
I woke up giggling.
:love:
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I had a dream last night that the Cats got Arky in the Cotton
That's my nightmare, actually. Do. Not. Want.
Would rather play in the Alamo than face Arkansas.
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These threads are getting harder and harder to read because you're all so Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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good grief rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thread city here.
beat isu and hope ou beats osu...everything else is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) you bunch of idiots
you retards worried about rough ridin' bowls makes me hate our dumbass fans
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good grief rough ridin' respect thread city here.
beat isu and hope ou beats osu...everything else is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) you bunch of idiots
you retards worried about rough ridin' bowls makes me hate our dumbass fans
I don't think you can find one person that doesn't hope this happens.
I don't think it's stupid to hope for a good bowl game. It's icing on the cake.
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good grief rough ridin' respect thread city here.
beat isu and hope ou beats osu...everything else is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) you bunch of idiots
you retards worried about rough ridin' bowls makes me hate our dumbass fans
I don't think you can find one person that doesn't hope this happens.
I don't think it's stupid to hope for a good bowl game. It's icing on the cake.
but who seriously gives a eff? i guess if you like to talk about stupid "scenarios" they go ahead. big xii title or who gives a eff. if osu beats ou and we somehow luck into a bcs, yeah great, but i'll still be pissed. want the damn dr pepper trophy
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The more I think about it, I think Cotton will probably choose OSU if OU wins bedlam.
Let's look at the things the committee may consider:
- National Interest: Edge, OSU. OSU was a national title contender for most of the year, and therefore has a lot more media exposure this year. They also have much more high-scoring offense. K-State is a great story, and has the COTY LHC Bill Snyder angle, but the edge still goes to OSU. This is the most important factor because advertising dollars drive the decision-making process.
- Final BCS Ranking: Edge, OSU. Even is OU thumps OSU, they'll still finish higher than KSU.
- Matchups: Draw. Of the potential SEC opponents, I don't see that ither OSU or KSU has a more compelling matchup.
- Local Economy (Travel): Edge, KSU. This may seem counterintuitive, since OSU Is twice as close to Dallas, but K-Staters will actually use more hotel rooms because they are further away, and KSU will be a lot more excited about this game than OSU Fans.
What else will they look at?
Oh, and along these same lines, there is no way in hell Michigan does not go to Sugar Bowl. They're Michigan. Only chance now is for Houston to somehow lose to Southern Miss.
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The only bad scenario for me is losing to ISU.
Everything else is out of our control. If we go 10-2/7-2 it will be really hard for me to be upset about being "dropped" to the Alamo Bowl.
This has been one heck of a season and I'm not going to go down the "entire world is against us" K-State fan mentality.
Should KSU beat ISU, and OSU lose to OU, would the Cotton take them over us if they've just lost their last two games? That's kind of a bad skid to end the season.
I mean, I think it's a 60/40 proposition. Cotton Bowl execs have to think that they may get better attendance from KSU fans that are elated for a Cotton Bowl vs. OSU fans who are distraught from losing a BCS title shot in week 12 and a Fiesta Bowl in week 14. Also, TV execs may see them as damaged goods while they see us as a nice Cinderella story against Arkansas.
I don't disagree with any of that, but its bowl selection. You never know what could happen and there aren't any guarantees.
The Animal steps in. and that's a guarantee, brah.
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Oh, and along these same lines, there is no way in hell Michigan does not go to Sugar Bowl. They're Michigan. Only chance now is for Houston to somehow lose to Southern Miss.
Michigan was ranked #15 in last week's BCS poll. They barely hung on to beat a 6-6 Ohio St team by 6 points.
No one in the top 14 lost. In order for them to move up in the standings, they have to jump over someone. #14 Mich State beat Michigan head to head and won the division. #13 UGA won the SEC east and stomped #23 Georgia Tech on Saturday. #12 South Carolina beat #17 Clemson handily on Saturday. Who will they jump? Do you think #11 K-State will drop below Mich St, UGA, So Carolina AND Michigan in today's BCS standings?
Furthermore, #16 Wisconsin piss-pounded #21 Penn State to win their division and earn a spot in the big 10 title game. I think there is a very good chance that Wisky leapfrogs over Michigan. I think it is very possible, and maybe even probable, that Michigan moves down a spot in the BCS standings and I think Baylor will be very close behind them. After Baylor beats Texas on the 3rd, Baylor could very well jump Michigan as well. I do not think it is a foregone conclusion that Michigan will make it into the top 14 of the BCS.
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Oh, and along these same lines, there is no way in hell Michigan does not go to Sugar Bowl. They're Michigan. Only chance now is for Houston to somehow lose to Southern Miss.
Michigan was ranked #15 in last week's BCS poll. They barely hung on to beat a 6-6 Ohio St team by 6 points.
No one in the top 14 lost. In order for them to move up in the standings, they have to jump over someone. #14 Mich State beat Michigan head to head and won the division. #13 UGA won the SEC east and stomped #23 Georgia Tech on Saturday. #12 South Carolina beat #17 Clemson handily on Saturday. Who will they jump? Do you think #11 K-State will drop below Mich St, UGA, So Carolina AND Michigan in today's BCS standings?
Furthermore, #16 Wisconsin piss-pounded #21 Penn State to win their division and earn a spot in the big 10 title game. I think there is a very good chance that Wisky leapfrogs over Michigan. I think it is very possible, and maybe even probable, that Michigan moves down a spot in the BCS standings and I think Baylor will be very close behind them. After Baylor beats Texas on the 3rd, Baylor could very well jump Michigan as well. I do not think it is a foregone conclusion that Michigan will make it into the top 14 of the BCS.
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Oh, and along these same lines, there is no way in hell Michigan does not go to Sugar Bowl. They're Michigan. Only chance now is for Houston to somehow lose to Southern Miss.
Michigan was ranked #15 in last week's BCS poll. They barely hung on to beat a 6-6 Ohio St team by 6 points.
No one in the top 14 lost. In order for them to move up in the standings, they have to jump over someone. #14 Mich State beat Michigan head to head and won the division. #13 UGA won the SEC east and stomped #23 Georgia Tech on Saturday. #12 South Carolina beat #17 Clemson handily on Saturday. Who will they jump? Do you think #11 K-State will drop below Mich St, UGA, So Carolina AND Michigan in today's BCS standings?
Furthermore, #16 Wisconsin piss-pounded #21 Penn State to win their division and earn a spot in the big 10 title game. I think there is a very good chance that Wisky leapfrogs over Michigan. I think it is very possible, and maybe even probable, that Michigan moves down a spot in the BCS standings and I think Baylor will be very close behind them. After Baylor beats Texas on the 3rd, Baylor could very well jump Michigan as well. I do not think it is a foregone conclusion that Michigan will make it into the top 14 of the BCS.
Georgia will lose to LSU in SEC championship, Wisconsin or Michigan State will lose in the Big 10 Championship. That will move Michigan up to 14 (because they are Michigan).
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Michigan was ranked #15 in last week's BCS poll. They barely hung on to beat a 6-6 Ohio St team by 6 points.
No one in the top 14 lost. In order for them to move up in the standings, they have to jump over someone. #14 Mich State beat Michigan head to head and won the division. #13 UGA won the SEC east and stomped #23 Georgia Tech on Saturday. #12 South Carolina beat #17 Clemson handily on Saturday. Who will they jump? Do you think #11 K-State will drop below Mich St, UGA, So Carolina AND Michigan in today's BCS standings?
Furthermore, #16 Wisconsin piss-pounded #21 Penn State to win their division and earn a spot in the big 10 title game. I think there is a very good chance that Wisky leapfrogs over Michigan. I think it is very possible, and maybe even probable, that Michigan moves down a spot in the BCS standings and I think Baylor will be very close behind them. After Baylor beats Texas on the 3rd, Baylor could very well jump Michigan as well. I do not think it is a foregone conclusion that Michigan will make it into the top 14 of the BCS.
Arkansas lost. Everything else is pretty accurate.
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Michigan was ranked #15 in last week's BCS poll. They barely hung on to beat a 6-6 Ohio St team by 6 points.
No one in the top 14 lost. In order for them to move up in the standings, they have to jump over someone. #14 Mich State beat Michigan head to head and won the division. #13 UGA won the SEC east and stomped #23 Georgia Tech on Saturday. #12 South Carolina beat #17 Clemson handily on Saturday. Who will they jump? Do you think #11 K-State will drop below Mich St, UGA, So Carolina AND Michigan in today's BCS standings?
Furthermore, #16 Wisconsin piss-pounded #21 Penn State to win their division and earn a spot in the big 10 title game. I think there is a very good chance that Wisky leapfrogs over Michigan. I think it is very possible, and maybe even probable, that Michigan moves down a spot in the BCS standings and I think Baylor will be very close behind them. After Baylor beats Texas on the 3rd, Baylor could very well jump Michigan as well. I do not think it is a foregone conclusion that Michigan will make it into the top 14 of the BCS.
Arkansas lost. Everything else is pretty accurate.
You're absolutely right. I completely forgot about them.
In my (meager) defense, there should be no way that Arky drops from #3 to #15 behind Michigan. Even with their loss, I don't see any way the Hogs fall below Michigan in the standings.
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Oh, and along these same lines, there is no way in hell Michigan does not go to Sugar Bowl. They're Michigan. Only chance now is for Houston to somehow lose to Southern Miss.
Michigan was ranked #15 in last week's BCS poll. They barely hung on to beat a 6-6 Ohio St team by 6 points.
No one in the top 14 lost. In order for them to move up in the standings, they have to jump over someone. #14 Mich State beat Michigan head to head and won the division. #13 UGA won the SEC east and stomped #23 Georgia Tech on Saturday. #12 South Carolina beat #17 Clemson handily on Saturday. Who will they jump? Do you think #11 K-State will drop below Mich St, UGA, So Carolina AND Michigan in today's BCS standings?
Furthermore, #16 Wisconsin piss-pounded #21 Penn State to win their division and earn a spot in the big 10 title game. I think there is a very good chance that Wisky leapfrogs over Michigan. I think it is very possible, and maybe even probable, that Michigan moves down a spot in the BCS standings and I think Baylor will be very close behind them. After Baylor beats Texas on the 3rd, Baylor could very well jump Michigan as well. I do not think it is a foregone conclusion that Michigan will make it into the top 14 of the BCS.
Someone will fall below them after next weeks conference championship games, likely Georgia. Maybe, if Georgia plays LSU close, the human voters won't penalize them much and they will stay above Michigan, we'll see.
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at this point its a foregone conclusion we will jump in the polls to #2, play for the national title, beat LSU by an ungoldy amount of points, and then Collin klein and LHC Bill Snyder will ride off into the sunset with cajun hotties clinging to their backs.
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Arkansas lost. Everything else is pretty accurate.
You're absolutely right. I completely forgot about them.
In my (meager) defense, there should be no way that Arky drops from #3 to #15 behind Michigan. Even with their loss, I don't see any way the Hogs fall below Michigan in the standings.
They'll drop out of the Top 5 at least. I'd like to make a prediction for the top 5, but any argument can be made and be plausible.
I can see Arky dropping out of the top 10 and edging us for the 11 spot. I don't see any other major shifts in the top 15 that would be plausible though.
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I had a dream last night that the Cats got Arky in the Cotton
That's my nightmare, actually. Do. Not. Want.
Would rather play in the Alamo than face Arkansas.
Why? They would finish 4th or 5th in the Big 12. We would beat them, and we would get a big bump in for the final rankings.
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I had a dream last night that the Cats got Arky in the Cotton
That's my nightmare, actually. Do. Not. Want.
Would rather play in the Alamo than face Arkansas.
Why? They would finish 4th or 5th in the Big 12. We would beat them, and we would get a big bump in for the final rankings.
Bobby Petrino vs. Cosh/Hughes will be a bloodbath.
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We'd stomp PigAggie's brains out.
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ESPN is putting on the full-court press by talking Michigan up in the hopes that voters move them into the top 14 so they are eligible for a BCS at-large.
Both last week and this week, ESPN spent several minutes with all of their talking heads extolling the virtues of Michigan. Today, they even seemed agahst that Michigan might actually not be in the top 14. How is this possible for a program with their pedigree?!?!
At some point, the voters are going to comply and vote Michigan high enough to jump a team they lost to (Mich St) or a team they didn't play but was in the big 10 title game (Wisc). They'll probably also put Michigan above UGA after they lose to LSU in the SEC title game.
It will be interesting to see if Baylor can jump Michigan after they beat Texas on Saturday. That MIGHT be enough to keep Michigan at #15...
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ESPN is putting on the full-court press by talking Michigan up in the hopes that voters move them into the top 14 so they are eligible for a BCS at-large.
Both last week and this week, ESPN spent several minutes with all of their talking heads extolling the virtues of Michigan. Today, they even seemed agahst that Michigan might actually not be in the top 14. How is this possible for a program with their pedigree?!?!
At some point, the voters are going to comply and vote Michigan high enough to jump a team they lost to (Mich St) or a team they didn't play but was in the big 10 title game (Wisc). They'll probably also put Michigan above UGA after they lose to LSU in the SEC title game.
It will be interesting to see if Baylor can jump Michigan after they beat Texas on Saturday. That MIGHT be enough to keep Michigan at #15...
You've already identified the reality, so why keep deluding yourself? Michigan will be 14 next week (unless Georgia wins), because its what the media wants. Baylor will not jump high enough to ruin that.
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who cares?
let's go BOOMER ....
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who cares?
let's go BOOMER ....
anyone who doesn't answer with this is dead to me
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I hope OU wins, but I refuse to cheer for them.
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I had a dream last night that the Cats got Arky in the Cotton
That's my nightmare, actually. Do. Not. Want.
Would rather play in the Alamo than face Arkansas.
Why? They would finish 4th or 5th in the Big 12. We would beat them, and we would get a big bump in for the final rankings.
Bobby Petrino vs. Cosh/Hughes will be a bloodbath.
His offense is not better than Baylor's, Texas Tech's (back when they were still good, anyway), OSU's, aTm's, etc. We would beat them. Remember that Klein will have a month to recuperate before the game, and that should make a big difference in his level of play.
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Ubben seems to believe whole heartedly that a 3 loss Oklahoma team would be more attractive to the Cotton Bowl than a 2 loss KSU team.
:dubious:
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Ubben seems to believe whole heartedly that a 3 loss Oklahoma team would be more attractive to the Cotton Bowl than a 2 loss KSU team.
:dubious:
He's probably correct. Thankfully, we won't have to worry about that when we win the Big 12 on Saturday.
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once we get our Dr. Pepper I vote we turn down whatever bowl (BCS, Cotton, etc.) we get invited to so we can use that much needed time to parade around with our Champy trophy shoving it into everyone's faces even more before next season
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so again to recap:
OU win, we share Big 12 and likely Alamo? Wouldn't a 10-2 OU be a lock for Cotton if a 9-3 OU is a chance for Cotton?
OSU win, we win nothing and Cotton/Alamo?
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so again to recap:
OU win, we share Big 12 and likely Alamo? Wouldn't a 10-2 OU be a lock for Cotton if a 9-3 OU is a chance for Cotton?
OSU win, we win nothing and Cotton/Alamo?
A 10-2 OU would be a lock for the Fiesta because they would get the automatic bid.
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so again to recap:
OU win, we share Big 12 and likely Alamo? Wouldn't a 10-2 OU be a lock for Cotton if a 9-3 OU is a chance for Cotton?
OSU win, we win nothing and Cotton/Alamo?
A 10-2 OU would be a lock for the Fiesta because they would get the automatic bid.
gah, too many letters. I meant wouldn't a 10-2 OSU be a lock for Cotton...or would they be chosen as an At-Large?
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so again to recap:
OU win, we share Big 12 and likely Alamo? Wouldn't a 10-2 OU be a lock for Cotton if a 9-3 OU is a chance for Cotton?
OSU win, we win nothing and Cotton/Alamo?
A 10-2 OU would be a lock for the Fiesta because they would get the automatic bid.
gah, too many letters. I meant wouldn't a 10-2 OSU be a lock for Cotton...or would they be chosen as an At-Large?
There's a slim chance OSU makes the Sugar Bowl, but only if Houston loses to Southern Miss or Michigan fails to move up to 14 in the final BCS standings.
Likewise, there is a chance that Cotton would pick KSU over OSU if they are both still on the board. Probably not very good, though.
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once we get our Dr. Pepper I vote we turn down whatever bowl (BCS, Cotton, etc.) we get invited to so we can use that much needed time to parade around with our Champy trophy shoving it into everyone's faces even more before next season
Make it a public spectacle so next year they can make a Sportsnation poll and ask the nation who actually won the Big 12 championship.