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Title: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on November 19, 2011, 11:30:31 PM
(Scenario assumes we beat ISU) - If OU wins we win a share of the conference championship.  If OSU wins we jump OU in the conference standings and with so many of the top 10 losing tonight we're probably BCS bound.

 :runaway:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 19, 2011, 11:31:33 PM
We don't get a trophy for going to a BCS Bowl.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wes mantooth on November 19, 2011, 11:32:34 PM
we could still get both, but if had to choose, give me the big XII trophy every day of the week
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rumsfield on November 19, 2011, 11:34:05 PM
Conference tital
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Cire on November 19, 2011, 11:34:54 PM
Conference.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: KITNfury on November 19, 2011, 11:35:05 PM
I haven't seen anything other than posters saying trophy/cc share even is possible. if the confy actually recognizes us as a co champ, I want that.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wes mantooth on November 19, 2011, 11:36:19 PM
I haven't seen anything other than posters saying trophy/cc share even is possible. if the confy actually recognizes us as a co champ, I want that.

where have you been the last 15 years?
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: BostonPancake on November 19, 2011, 11:40:25 PM
Conference title....no one cares who won the 2002 Sugar bowl....titles are what you play for.  Plus, you go to the BCS game and lose.....you got nothing except some tshirts and gym bags.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: EMAWzified on November 19, 2011, 11:40:35 PM
As I posted elsewhere, I'm on team title. Only a sqwawk would argue otherwise.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: KITNfury on November 19, 2011, 11:40:36 PM
I haven't seen anything other than posters saying trophy/cc share even is possible. if the confy actually recognizes us as a co champ, I want that.

where have you been the last 15 years?
there were co conference champs the last 15 years?
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 19, 2011, 11:41:34 PM
Confy I guess. But I want both.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wes mantooth on November 19, 2011, 11:41:46 PM
I haven't seen anything other than posters saying trophy/cc share even is possible. if the confy actually recognizes us as a co champ, I want that.

where have you been the last 15 years?
there were co conference champs the last 15 years?

there were codivision champs
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 19, 2011, 11:42:13 PM
I haven't seen anything other than posters saying trophy/cc share even is possible. if the confy actually recognizes us as a co champ, I want that.

where have you been the last 15 years?
there were co conference champs the last 15 years?

There were in other conferences that didn't play title games.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: SabiNation on November 19, 2011, 11:42:54 PM
We play for KEEPS! (Championships)  

 :combofan:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: KITNfury on November 19, 2011, 11:52:19 PM
I haven't seen anything other than posters saying trophy/cc share even is possible. if the confy actually recognizes us as a co champ, I want that.

where have you been the last 15 years?
there were co conference champs the last 15 years?

There were in other conferences that didn't play title games.
not sure that matters to us. look, I'm all for a conference title if the conference officially recognizes it, but until that happens, I'm of the belief the conference will use tie breakers to determine one team only as the champ.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 19, 2011, 11:56:00 PM
I haven't seen anything other than posters saying trophy/cc share even is possible. if the confy actually recognizes us as a co champ, I want that.

where have you been the last 15 years?
there were co conference champs the last 15 years?

There were in other conferences that didn't play title games.
not sure that matters to us. look, I'm all for a conference title if the conference officially recognizes it, but until that happens, I'm of the belief the conference will use tie breakers to determine one team only as the champ.

If the conference officially recognizes KU as basketball champs over the last 7 years. Why would they not recognize us as football champs this year?
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: swish1 on November 19, 2011, 11:59:30 PM
I haven't seen anything other than posters saying trophy/cc share even is possible. if the confy actually recognizes us as a co champ, I want that.

where have you been the last 15 years?
there were co conference champs the last 15 years?

There were in other conferences that didn't play title games.
not sure that matters to us. look, I'm all for a conference title if the conference officially recognizes it, but until that happens, I'm of the belief the conference will use tie breakers to determine one team only as the champ.

If the conference officially recognizes KU as basketball champs over the last 7 years. Why would they not recognize us as football champs this year?

conference title for the win...  who cares about bowl games?  obviously only one of them means anything...
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Barry McCockner on November 19, 2011, 11:59:36 PM
The tie breaking procedures are there to decide who gets the BCS auto bid.  There are no tie breaking procedures for "conference champ".

/stupidtalkingpoint
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: KITNfury on November 19, 2011, 11:59:42 PM
I haven't seen anything other than posters saying trophy/cc share even is possible. if the confy actually recognizes us as a co champ, I want that.

where have you been the last 15 years?
there were co conference champs the last 15 years?

There were in other conferences that didn't play title games.
not sure that matters to us. look, I'm all for a conference title if the conference officially recognizes it, but until that happens, I'm of the belief the conference will use tie breakers to determine one team only as the champ.

If the conference officially recognizes KU as basketball champs over the last 7 years. Why would they not recognize us as football champs this year?
because they are different sports? I dunno man, I'm just skeptical particularly since there are tie breakers in place for football with no mention of co-champ anywhere. maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2011, 12:00:44 AM
I haven't seen anything other than posters saying trophy/cc share even is possible. if the confy actually recognizes us as a co champ, I want that.

where have you been the last 15 years?
there were co conference champs the last 15 years?

There were in other conferences that didn't play title games.
not sure that matters to us. look, I'm all for a conference title if the conference officially recognizes it, but until that happens, I'm of the belief the conference will use tie breakers to determine one team only as the champ.

If the conference officially recognizes KU as basketball champs over the last 7 years. Why would they not recognize us as football champs this year?
because they are different sports? I dunno man, I'm just skeptical particularly since there are tie breakers in place for football with no mention of co-champ anywhere. maybe I'm wrong.

Those tie breakers have nothing to do with who is "conference champ". There are also tiebreakers in place for basketball.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: kcchiefdav on November 20, 2011, 12:01:18 AM
I think we can do both. If OU wins, we have a share of the conference but OU gets the AQ BCS spot. That opens the door for Currie and UPKS to buy K-State an at large spot a la Lew Perkins. Lets make this crap happen.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2011, 12:02:47 AM
I think we can do both. If OU wins, we have a share of the conference but OU gets the AQ BCS spot. That opens the door for Currie and UPKS to buy K-State an at large spot a la Lew Perkins. Lets make this crap happen.

LOL at outbidding T. Boone . . .
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 20, 2011, 12:07:32 AM
OSU will have lost 2 in a row. That can't be an attractive pick for bowl committees.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 20, 2011, 12:07:37 AM
Trying to claim this as a conference championship worth celebrating as such would be incredibly beams-ish, you have to admit.  
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: fatty fat fat on November 20, 2011, 12:08:42 AM
Trying to claim this as a conference championship worth celebrating as such would be incredibly beams-ish, you have to admit.  

honest to god. you are such a good poster than make a post like this and it's just like, "wtf"

CONFERENCE TITLE. We can blast that big 12 trophy all over I-70
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2011, 12:10:57 AM
Trying to claim this as a conference championship worth celebrating as such would be incredibly beams-ish, you have to admit.  

You can take that thought and just go eff yourself, SkinnyBenny. If OU beats OSU and Paul Rhodes doesn't get a sense of pride on Dec. 3, we are Big 12 CHAMPIONS. Deal with it. :lynchmob:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wes mantooth on November 20, 2011, 12:14:18 AM
Trying to claim this as a conference championship worth celebrating as such would be incredibly beams-ish, you have to admit.  

You can take that thought and just go eff yourself, SkinnyBenny. If OU beats OSU and Paul Rhodes doesn't get a sense of pride on Dec. 3, we are Big 12 CHAMPIONS. Deal with it. :lynchmob:

we were picked to finish 8th, so yeah i'd celebrate the eff out of it.  sure we didn't beat ou or osu, but we also didn't lose to tech, baylor or iowa state.  anyone who would be ashamed of this big xii shared title is a bookcat
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 20, 2011, 12:22:29 AM
Oh no I would definitely celebrate the crap out of it, I would just wish in the back of my mind that we had gone 12-0 instead.   :frown:  Would still blast all over I-70, though.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: fatty fat fat on November 20, 2011, 12:24:30 AM
Oh no I would definitely celebrate the crap out of it, I would just wish in the back of my mind that we had gone 12-0 instead.   :frown:  Would still blast all over I-70, though.

agreed. we may be a cheapshot vs OU (step on chest) away from 12-0 this year. sad that OU did that to us.  :frown:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2011, 12:33:48 AM
Oh no I would definitely celebrate the crap out of it, I would just wish in the back of my mind that we had gone 12-0 instead.   :frown:  Would still blast all over I-70, though.

agreed. we may be a cheapshot vs OU (step on chest) away from 12-0 this year. sad that OU did that to us.  :frown:

And the refs did nothing!!!!!!!! :angry:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2011, 03:32:34 PM
Oh no I would definitely celebrate the crap out of it, I would just wish in the back of my mind that we had gone 12-0 instead.   :frown:  Would still blast all over I-70, though.

Jesus, you are the worst.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: ksucrcoop on November 20, 2011, 03:44:40 PM
Payout per team:

Cotton Bowl: $3.625 million
BCS Bowl: $17 million

Any scenario that gets us in a BCS bowl is the right one. Hardware is nice, but an extra $14 million would be nicer.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: SabiNation on November 20, 2011, 03:49:25 PM
Payout per team:

Cotton Bowl: $3.625 million
BCS Bowl: $17 million

Any scenario that gets us in a BCS bowl is the right one. Hardware is nice, but an extra $14 million would be nicer.

 :eek:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wetwillie on November 20, 2011, 04:32:42 PM
Payout per team:

Cotton Bowl: $3.625 million
BCS Bowl: $17 million

Any scenario that gets us in a BCS bowl is the right one. Hardware is nice, but an extra $14 million would be nicer.


Which scenario gets us into a BCS game without winning a share of the trophy?  OU Beats OSU and then OSU suffers complete fatalities of their football team?
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: OK_Cat on November 20, 2011, 04:45:06 PM
Iowa State beats OU, OU beats OSU, we get to be champions AND get to a BCS game.

EMAC!
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: the KHAN! on November 20, 2011, 04:46:01 PM
I would take the conference any day. It would be nice to have 2 of them...I mean one is great...but two would be fantastic.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: EMAWzified on November 20, 2011, 05:03:54 PM
Quote
Trying to claim this as a conference championship worth celebrating as such would be incredibly beams-ish, you have to admit.
Actually no. Remember beams arguing the Orange Bowl topped our 2003 conference championship. We lined up to inform him just how much a loser mentality that revealed.
Got to be killing him to see the darkest horse driving to the finish line.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: k-state87 on November 20, 2011, 05:10:59 PM
Money is nice but it does not buy happiness & a Conference Championship will make K-State happy!  :emawkid:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2011, 05:15:50 PM
I would take another b12 champy in football over a natty in basketball and its really not close.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 20, 2011, 05:19:22 PM
Quote
Trying to claim this as a conference championship worth celebrating as such would be incredibly beams-ish, you have to admit.
Actually no. Remember beams arguing the Orange Bowl topped our 2003 conference championship. We lined up to inform him just how much a loser mentality that revealed.
Got to be killing him to see the darkest horse driving to the finish line.

I wasn't talking about that, which was totally ridiculous btw.  I was thinking about how they lost to Missouri, didn't even try to play in the Dr. Pepper, and then tried to claim that they'd won the north.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: yosh on November 20, 2011, 06:15:52 PM
I would take another b12 champy in football over a natty in basketball and its really not close.

 :dubious:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: ChiComCat on November 20, 2011, 06:17:47 PM
Quote
Trying to claim this as a conference championship worth celebrating as such would be incredibly beams-ish, you have to admit.
Actually no. Remember beams arguing the Orange Bowl topped our 2003 conference championship. We lined up to inform him just how much a loser mentality that revealed.
Got to be killing him to see the darkest horse driving to the finish line.

I wasn't talking about that, which was totally ridiculous btw.  I was thinking about how they lost to Missouri, didn't even try to play in the Dr. Pepper, and then tried to claim that they'd won the north.

So you wanted KU to like, show up and fight Mizzou or something for a chance to play OU  :dunno:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on November 20, 2011, 06:21:55 PM
Payout per team:

Cotton Bowl: $3.625 million
BCS Bowl: $17 million

Any scenario that gets us in a BCS bowl is the right one. Hardware is nice, but an extra $14 million would be nicer.
Seems like backwards logic to me.  We want more money so we can ultimately win more championships.  Take the trophy any way you can get it.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 20, 2011, 06:26:08 PM
Quote
Trying to claim this as a conference championship worth celebrating as such would be incredibly beams-ish, you have to admit.
Actually no. Remember beams arguing the Orange Bowl topped our 2003 conference championship. We lined up to inform him just how much a loser mentality that revealed.
Got to be killing him to see the darkest horse driving to the finish line.

I wasn't talking about that, which was totally ridiculous btw.  I was thinking about how they lost to Missouri, didn't even try to play in the Dr. Pepper, and then tried to claim that they'd won the north.

So you wanted KU to like, show up and fight Mizzou or something for a chance to play OU  :dunno:



 :sadpeek:   :sdeek:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: OregonSmock on November 20, 2011, 06:52:27 PM
I would take another b12 champy in football over a natty in basketball and its really not close.



Pfffffttttttt....  such a small-time hayseed. 


Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 20, 2011, 06:54:56 PM
conference title.

"BCS game" is meaningless.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Cire on November 20, 2011, 06:57:51 PM
Wgaf about the bcs?
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wetwillie on November 20, 2011, 06:58:38 PM
Wgaf about the bcs?

T-shirt fans
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 20, 2011, 06:59:38 PM
Winning a BCS game would also be really really hot, though.

New Orleans on NYE, then watch a game in the 'Dome three days later?   :love:

Rooting for whichever scenario gives K-State (yet another) conference champy and a BCS game.  If at all possible.  So I guess that means I'm rooting hard for ISU to beat OU?
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2011, 09:07:08 PM
Payout per team:

Cotton Bowl: $3.625 million
BCS Bowl: $17 million

Any scenario that gets us in a BCS bowl is the right one. Hardware is nice, but an extra $14 million would be nicer.
Seems like backwards logic to me.  We want more money so we can ultimately win more championships.  Take the trophy any way you can get it.

That money gets split between all of the teams in the Big 12, any way. We will net the same payout, regardless.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wetwillie on November 20, 2011, 10:15:40 PM
Winning a BCS game would also be really really hot, though.

New Orleans on NYE, then watch a game in the 'Dome three days later?   :love:

Rooting for whichever scenario gives K-State (yet another) conference champy and a BCS game.  If at all possible.  So I guess that means I'm rooting hard for ISU to beat OU?

Yes
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: ksu101 on November 20, 2011, 10:35:19 PM
BCS bowl. (only if we win though)  just imagine the hype we get going into next year coming off a BCS bowl win.  :ksu:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2011, 10:39:39 PM
BCS bowl. (only if we win though)  just imagine the hype we get going into next year coming off a BCS bowl win.  :ksu:

Nobody outside of Kansas would even care.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on November 20, 2011, 10:42:53 PM
BCS bowl. (only if we win though)  just imagine the hype we get going into next year coming off a BCS bowl win.  :ksu:

Nobody outside of Kansas would even care.

But in fairness, would anybody outside of Kansas give a crap if we were conference co-champions who had lost tiebreakers to both of the other teams we tied with? 
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2011, 10:44:40 PM
BCS bowl. (only if we win though)  just imagine the hype we get going into next year coming off a BCS bowl win.  :ksu:

Nobody outside of Kansas would even care.

But in fairness, would anybody outside of Kansas give a crap if we were conference co-champions who had lost tiebreakers to both of the other teams we tied with? 

Yes, all the other schools in the Big 12 would care. Nobody outside of Big 12 territory would care, though.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wes mantooth on November 20, 2011, 10:48:52 PM
BCS bowl. (only if we win though)  just imagine the hype we get going into next year coming off a BCS bowl win.  :ksu:

Nobody outside of Kansas would even care.

But in fairness, would anybody outside of Kansas give a crap if we were conference co-champions who had lost tiebreakers to both of the other teams we tied with? 

Yes, all the other schools in the Big 12 would care. Nobody outside of Big 12 territory would care, though.

You get a nice trophy and get to be called champions of the conference.  you don't get that for participating in a bowl game.  geez guys, even powertards aren't this dumb.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: DQ12 on November 20, 2011, 11:13:31 PM
Two conference championship trophies would look so hott.

Quote
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS: 2003, 2011
Yeah.  That looks great.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: fatty fat fat on November 21, 2011, 12:19:51 AM
Two conference championship trophies would look so hott.

Quote
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS: 2003, 2011
Yeah.  That looks great.

stunned. dlew gets it. 
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Matt Siebrant's Left Hand on November 21, 2011, 02:01:25 AM
Payout per team:

Cotton Bowl: $3.625 million
BCS Bowl: $17 million

Any scenario that gets us in a BCS bowl is the right one. Hardware is nice, but an extra $14 million would be nicer.
This.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: fatty fat fat on November 21, 2011, 02:09:57 AM
the entire point is to win the big 12.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Coley on November 21, 2011, 03:22:08 AM
No moral victories. Lone Champions or nothing :chainsaw:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wabash909 on November 21, 2011, 05:58:21 AM
Two conference championship trophies would look so hott.

Quote
CONFERENCE CHAMPIONS: 2003, 2011
Yeah.  That looks great.

We also get to fly another flag!  Conference championships, and it's not even debatable.


Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Cire on November 21, 2011, 06:03:44 AM
Mods rename to bcs bowls are awesome, squawkapalooza master thread
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: kso_FAN on November 21, 2011, 07:52:04 AM
No matter what happens a BCS at large is a beauty contest; as long as the Big 12 gets 2 teams in, the money is essentually the same.

There is no guarantee we get selected based on the OU/OSU winner, but we know its a guarantee (as long as we beat ISU) that we'll share a Big 12 title if OU wins.

I don't see what makes this hard.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 21, 2011, 08:09:16 AM
Payout per team:

Cotton Bowl: $3.625 million
BCS Bowl: $17 million

Any scenario that gets us in a BCS bowl is the right one. Hardware is nice, but an extra $14 million would be nicer.
This.


KU will end up with just as much bowl revenue as we do, regardless of which game we play in.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Cire on November 21, 2011, 08:43:20 AM
Payout per team:

Cotton Bowl: $3.625 million
BCS Bowl: $17 million

Any scenario that gets us in a BCS bowl is the right one. Hardware is nice, but an extra $14 million would be nicer.
This.


KU will end up with just as much bowl revenue as we do, regardless of which game we play in.

those guys are dumbasses
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: purplenutz on November 21, 2011, 09:39:19 AM
"By and Large"  . . . A Conference Title in Football is a way bigger deal than basketball . . .  2003 is still a huge deal. cotton bowl, fiesta bowl meh.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: DQ12 on November 21, 2011, 11:58:56 AM
We don't get a trophy for going to a BCS Bowl.
I think we do, actually.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 21, 2011, 12:36:00 PM
We don't get a trophy for going to a BCS Bowl.
I think we do, actually.

For going, or winning?
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rams on November 21, 2011, 12:37:38 PM
No matter what happens a BCS at large is a beauty contest; as long as the Big 12 gets 2 teams in, the money is essentually the same.

There is no guarantee we get selected based on the OU/OSU winner, but we know its a guarantee (as long as we beat ISU) that we'll share a Big 12 title if OU wins.

I don't see what makes this hard.

There are other ways to get into a BCS game besides being a good football team. KU proved that. Shitty teams play in BCS games every year. You have to be elite to win a conference footballl title in one of the 3 major conferences.  
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: pike on November 21, 2011, 12:40:28 PM
No matter what happens a BCS at large is a beauty contest; as long as the Big 12 gets 2 teams in, the money is essentually the same.

There is no guarantee we get selected based on the OU/OSU winner, but we know its a guarantee (as long as we beat ISU) that we'll share a Big 12 title if OU wins.

I don't see what makes this hard.

There are other ways to get into a BCS game besides being a good football team. KU proved that. Shitty teams play in BCS games every year. You have to be elite to win a conference footballl title in one of the 3 major conferences.  

This is true there have been some shitty teams in BCS games the last several years. Notre Dame, Hawaii, Wake Forest off the top of my head
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: DQ12 on November 21, 2011, 12:41:25 PM
We don't get a trophy for going to a BCS Bowl.
I think we do, actually.

For going, or winning?
Pretty sure we get some kind of consolation trophy for just showing up.  At least I think other bowl games work that way.

For instance, I think I've seen that K-State has 2 Cotton Bowl trophies.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 21, 2011, 12:42:55 PM
We don't get a trophy for going to a BCS Bowl.
I think we do, actually.

For going, or winning?
Pretty sure we get some kind of consolation trophy for just showing up.  At least I think other bowl games work that way.

For instance, I think I've seen that K-State has 2 Cotton Bowl trophies.

 :surprised:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: DQ12 on November 21, 2011, 12:43:53 PM
We don't get a trophy for going to a BCS Bowl.
I think we do, actually.

For going, or winning?
Pretty sure we get some kind of consolation trophy for just showing up.  At least I think other bowl games work that way.

For instance, I think I've seen that K-State has 2 Cotton Bowl trophies.

 :surprised:

THIS JUST MIGHT CHANGE EVERYTHING.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: HeinBallz on November 21, 2011, 01:01:38 PM
Over the years, I've realized that in life, rooting for something to happen is a tremendous waste of time.  If you want something to happen, go make it happen.   Assuming no one here is planning on murdering every single player/coach of OU & OSU - I'm just going to sit back, watch the next two weeks of football & enjoy the fact that the team I love surprised the hell out of me & won more than 6 games.  I'm already happy with either scenario.   
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2011, 01:03:58 PM
quit being so lazy heinballz
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: cas4ksu on November 21, 2011, 01:05:32 PM
If we play some scrub ACC team or Big (L)East team, then I want BCS. Hello BCS bowl trophy. If we have to play someone other than those, give me the share of the confy title.

All in all, there is no bad choice.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 21, 2011, 01:13:16 PM
If we play some scrub ACC team or Big (L)East team, then I want BCS. Hello BCS bowl trophy. If we have to play someone other than those, give me the share of the confy title.

All in all, there is no bad choice.

I would rather play somebody good if we go to the BCS. Bowl wins and losses really don't matter.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wabash909 on November 21, 2011, 01:20:52 PM
You don't fly a flag at LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium for a BCS bowl appearance.

Eyes on the prize, folks.

Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 21, 2011, 01:29:39 PM
You don't fly a flag at LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium for a BCS bowl appearance.

Eyes on the prize, folks.



Nobody watches BCS games with Big East schools and midmajors. If we could somehow play Alabama, it would be great for school exposure and much better for our football program.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2011, 01:31:44 PM
I would rather have a trophy for this seasons Big 12 than to have won every BCS game of all time
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 21, 2011, 01:45:48 PM
If OSU loses to OU, is it a foregone conclusion that OSU gets the nod over KSU as an at-large BCS bid? 

We equaled OSU on the field and they would be on a 2-game skid. 
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: kstater on November 21, 2011, 01:46:57 PM
If OSU loses to OU, is it a foregone conclusion that OSU gets the nod over KSU as an at-large BCS bid? 

We equaled OSU on the field and they would be on a 2-game skid. 
T. Boone Pickens

Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Asteriskhead on November 21, 2011, 01:48:09 PM
If OSU loses to OU, is it a foregone conclusion that OSU gets the nod over KSU as an at-large BCS bid? 

We equaled OSU on the field and they would be on a 2-game skid. 
T. Boone Pickens



Currie and Schulz.... 4 COLOR BROCHURE!!!!
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 21, 2011, 01:51:24 PM

Currie and Schulz.... 4 COLOR BROCHURE!!!!


updated to include Big9 Champs!
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: kso_FAN on November 21, 2011, 02:12:47 PM
I would rather have a trophy for this seasons Big 12 than to have won every BCS game of all time

So would this guy -------> (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2Fwhomovedmybig12title.gif&hash=c07c9d60eca789084d2dd430bd27461bcf49cda0)
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: HeinBallz on November 21, 2011, 02:27:44 PM
quit being so lazy heinballz

meh.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: hemmy on November 21, 2011, 02:30:04 PM
I would rather have a trophy for this seasons Big 12 than to have won every BCS game of all time

So would this guy -------> (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2Fwhomovedmybig12title.gif&hash=c07c9d60eca789084d2dd430bd27461bcf49cda0)

fantastic
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wabash909 on November 21, 2011, 02:54:50 PM
I would rather have a trophy for this seasons Big 12 than to have won every BCS game of all time

So would this guy -------> (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2Fwhomovedmybig12title.gif&hash=c07c9d60eca789084d2dd430bd27461bcf49cda0)

Wow.


Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Cire on November 21, 2011, 03:04:53 PM
yes. 
boomer
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: kitten_mittons on November 21, 2011, 03:55:11 PM
If OSU loses to OU, is it a foregone conclusion that OSU gets the nod over KSU as an at-large BCS bid? 

We equaled OSU on the field and they would be on a 2-game skid. 
If OSU loses to OU, OSU gets the fiesta bowl.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 21, 2011, 04:25:26 PM

If OSU loses to OU, OSU gets the fiesta bowl.

What?  If OSU loses to OU, OU is Big9 #1 and goes to Fiesta.  OSU and KSU would be Big9 #2, #3.  One of us would get an at-large bid.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Barry McCockner on November 21, 2011, 04:29:20 PM
If OSU loses to OU, is it a foregone conclusion that OSU gets the nod over KSU as an at-large BCS bid?  

We equaled OSU on the field and they would be on a 2-game skid.  
If OSU loses to OU, OSU gets the fiesta bowl.

EDIT:  I'm a rough ridin' idiot.  OU wins out, they win the tiebreaker and go to Fiesta.


Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 21, 2011, 04:52:47 PM
Payout per team:

Cotton Bowl: $3.625 million
BCS Bowl: $17 million

Any scenario that gets us in a BCS bowl is the right one. Hardware is nice, but an extra $14 million would be nicer.
This.


Guys, we get the same amount of money no matter who goes to the 2 BCS games.
Title: Re: Re: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: kitten_mittons on November 21, 2011, 08:10:15 PM

If OSU loses to OU, OSU gets the fiesta bowl.

What?  If OSU loses to OU, OU is Big9 #1 and goes to Fiesta.  OSU and KSU would be Big9 #2, #3.  One of us would get an at-large bid.
How?  OU wins, osu, ou, kstate all have
2 losses.  OU lost to baylor who is the #4 team which puts ou out of the tie-break scenario.  Then osu beats us on the h2h tie-break.  Osu goes to the fiesta bowl.
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Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: jmlynch1 on November 21, 2011, 08:30:33 PM
First true Big 12 championship in the history of the Big 12 :gocho:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Fldermaus on November 21, 2011, 08:36:42 PM
In this scenario, would we have the distinction of being the only conference champion of a major conference not to make a BCS game?
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Reggie Singlegur on November 21, 2011, 08:54:44 PM
In this scenario, would we have the distinction of being the only conference champion of a major conference not to make a BCS game?


Time for another K-State Rule
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Trim on November 21, 2011, 09:38:44 PM
Put down skeetbag and tuckfano in the anti-big12troph column.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: hemmy on November 21, 2011, 09:46:05 PM
In this scenario, would we have the distinction of being the only conference champion of a major conference not to make a BCS game?


Big 10, Pac 10 no ccg for a long time, I am sure it has happened multiple times.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: SdK on November 21, 2011, 09:52:21 PM
I almost made a new thread about this so that it would at least get noticed and replied to, BUT I'll just post it in here.





I WILL have a meltdown if the worst happens. I will still love this season, I will still be very happy for it. BUTTTTTTTT what if OSU pounds OU and we somehow get an at large bid. We go to a BCS bowl game and then get our crap kicked in. Not saying we will, but I like to consider everything.


I would be upset if that happened. More upset because I'm not sure our BBall team will be able to cheer me up as much as needed.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: jmlynch1 on November 21, 2011, 09:54:41 PM
I almost made a new thread about this so that it would at least get noticed and replied to, BUT I'll just post it in here.





I WILL have a meltdown if the worst happens. I will still love this season, I will still be very happy for it. BUTTTTTTTT what if OSU pounds OU and we somehow get an at large bid. We go to a BCS bowl game and then get our crap kicked in. Not saying we will, but I like to consider everything.


I would be upset if that happened. More upset because I'm not sure our BBall team will be able to cheer me up as much as needed.
That is not the worst thing that could happen.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 21, 2011, 09:59:32 PM
I almost made a new thread about this so that it would at least get noticed and replied to, BUT I'll just post it in here.





I WILL have a meltdown if the worst happens. I will still love this season, I will still be very happy for it. BUTTTTTTTT what if OSU pounds OU and we somehow get an at large bid. We go to a BCS bowl game and then get our crap kicked in. Not saying we will, but I like to consider everything.


I would be upset if that happened. More upset because I'm not sure our BBall team will be able to cheer me up as much as needed.
That is not the worst thing that could happen.

Yeah, only a dumbass could be upset about going to a BCS game. I would be upset about not winning the Big 12, but hey, we should have beat OSU.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: SdK on November 21, 2011, 10:02:22 PM
I almost made a new thread about this so that it would at least get noticed and replied to, BUT I'll just post it in here.





I WILL have a meltdown if the worst happens. I will still love this season, I will still be very happy for it. BUTTTTTTTT what if OSU pounds OU and we somehow get an at large bid. We go to a BCS bowl game and then get our crap kicked in. Not saying we will, but I like to consider everything.


I would be upset if that happened. More upset because I'm not sure our BBall team will be able to cheer me up as much as needed.
That is not the worst thing that could happen.

Yeah, only a dumbass could be upset about going to a BCS game. I would be upset about not winning the Big 12, but hey, we should have beat OSU.


I have my heart set on a Conference Championship or a BCS win, or both. Denial of both would not be fun for me.
Title: Re: Re: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Belvis Noland on November 21, 2011, 10:37:01 PM

If OSU loses to OU, OSU gets the fiesta bowl.

What?  If OSU loses to OU, OU is Big9 #1 and goes to Fiesta.  OSU and KSU would be Big9 #2, #3.  One of us would get an at-large bid.
How?  OU wins, osu, ou, kstate all have
2 losses.  OU lost to baylor who is the #4 team which puts ou out of the tie-break scenario.  Then osu beats us on the h2h tie-break.  Osu goes to the fiesta bowl.
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I can't tell if ur serious.  But, I don't know why you wouldn't be...  Anyway,

"If OU beats O-State then Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and K-State all tie for the Big 12 title with two losses. Head-to-head records decide the Big 12 representative in the Fiesta Bowl, meaning Oklahoma (as winner over both OSU and KSU) goes to the BCS at the league's representative." - ESPN
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wetwillie on November 21, 2011, 10:44:26 PM
Worst case scenario is OSU beating OU barely, OSU outright champs, we go 10-2 and get the alamo.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: wabash909 on November 22, 2011, 07:08:44 AM
Worst case scenario is OSU beating OU barely, OSU outright champs, we go 10-2 and get the alamo.

The K-Stater in me is setting up for this exact scenario.


Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: kso_FAN on November 22, 2011, 08:01:29 AM
Worst case scenario is OSU beating OU barely, OSU outright champs, we go 10-2 and get the alamo.

The K-Stater in me is setting up for this exact scenario.




Do that, but keep this in the back of your mind.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2Fwhomovedmybig12title.gif&hash=c07c9d60eca789084d2dd430bd27461bcf49cda0)

 :lynchmob:
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on November 22, 2011, 08:19:20 AM
Worst case scenario is OSU beating OU barely, OSU outright champs, we go 10-2 and get the alamo.

The K-Stater in me is setting up for this exact scenario.

The Cotton Bowl wants us way more than a dejected OU or OSU that is falling apart at the end of the season. The only questions now are whether we go to Cotton or Sugar, and whether we get a share of the Big 12 title.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Boom Roasted on November 22, 2011, 08:38:40 AM
Last week there were five teams with a legitimate shot at making the BCS title game. Three of those teams -- Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Oregon -- lost this weekend.



This week there are again five teams with realistic chances of playing for the national championship, including two teams that are new to the mix. Here are my latest BCS bowl projections, and the next teams in line for each of the 10 bids.



Allstate BCS National Championship Game


When: Jan. 9, 2012, 8:30 p.m. EST on ESPN



Current prediction: LSU Tigers vs. Alabama Crimson Tide



Next up for BCS No. 1 and No. 2 spots: Arkansas, Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech



Barring a repeat of this weekend's chaos, the five teams listed above are the only ones that are on the radar.



If both LSU and Alabama win this coming weekend, against Arkansas and Auburn, respectively, then a Tigers-Crimson Tide rematch in the title game will begin to look very likely. That's because even if LSU loses the SEC title game to Georgia, it might not fall out of the top two in the BCS standings. And Alabama will be able to sit at home during conference championship weekend with little to no risk of dropping in the polls.



If the Razorbacks win this Friday, however, that is a different story.




The likely result under this scenario would be for Alabama to win the tiebreaker and the SEC West, and for Arkansas to move ahead of LSU in the BCS standings. For voters who don't want to see a repeat of Bama's 24-point thrashing of Arkansas from earlier this season, Oklahoma State might again begin to look like a viable option.



For Virginia Tech to have any chance of playing for the national championship, the Hokies will need Oklahoma State to lose and chaos to take place in the SEC. Things like Auburn beating Alabama and Georgia winning the SEC championship game would have to happen.




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Rose Bowl Game presented by Vizio


When: Jan. 2, 2012, 5 p.m. EST on ESPN



Current prediction: Wisconsin Badgers vs. Oregon Ducks


Next up for Wisconsin's spot (Big Ten): Michigan State, Penn State
Next up for Oregon's spot (Pac-12): Arizona State, Utah, UCLA, Stanford



I'm sticking with my prediction that Wisconsin will beat Penn State this weekend and Michigan State in the Big Ten championship game.



Stanford is only still nominally alive in the Pac-12 title hunt (the Cardinal need Oregon State to beat Oregon in Autzen), but a trio of Pac-12 South teams are still in the mix to win the division. If UCLA beats USC then the Bruins will get the championship game berth, but in the more likely scenario that the Trojans get the win, then both Utah and Arizona State will still be alive. The Utes need a win and losses by both UCLA and ASU, while the Sun Devils will take the division title if the Bruins lose but Utah wins, because of a detailed tiebreaker scenario.




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Boise could still land in a BCS bowl.

Tostitos Fiesta Bowl


When: Jan. 5, 2012, 8:30 p.m. EST on ESPN



Current prediction: Oklahoma State Cowboys vs. Stanford Cardinal


Next up for Oklahoma State's spot (Big 12): Oklahoma, Kansas State
Next up for Stanford's spot (at-large): Michigan, Houston, Boise State



The only way Kansas State makes it to the Fiesta is if Oklahoma State lands in the BCS title game. Otherwise, it'll come down to the Cowboys and the Sooners.



Stanford is my current pick to land in the at-large spot here, but Michigan could also be an attractive option (and Houston could theoretically be in the mix). One other scenario to consider if Oklahoma lands here by beating Oklahoma State in Stillwater in two weeks is that the Fiesta may want to pick Boise State as an at-large team to create a rematch of the Sooners and Broncos' epic showdown from five years ago. If OU lands in the Fiesta, the bowl will need to do something to interest Sooners fans who were hoping instead for a BCS title game appearance, and pitting them against Boise just might do it.




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Allstate Sugar Bowl


When: Jan. 3, 2012, 8:30 p.m. EST on ESPN



Current prediction: Michigan Wolverines vs. Houston Cougars


Next up for Michigan's spot (SEC): Kansas State, Georgia, Arkansas, LSU
Next up for Houston's spot (at-large): TCU, West Virginia



There's an important note that goes along with this pick, which is that Michigan will need to make it into the top 14 in order to be chosen as an at-large team. But I'm guessing that a win next weekend over Ohio State will be enough to move the Wolverines up. If not, or if the Buckeyes win, Kansas State could become an option here.



The reason why the Sugar could end up picking two at-large teams is that an all-SEC BCS championship game matchup would use up the conference's two BCS bids. Houston is on track to be the second at-large pick here, because the Cougars will be the highest-ranked non-AQ conference champion if they win out. Remember, because the Big East champ is not going to be ranked in the top 16, the highest-ranked non-AQ conference champion (the team has to have won its league; that's why Boise State won't be in the mix) that ends up in the top 16 will get an automatic BCS bid.



It's very unlikely that the Sugar would take the Big East champ over the BCS buster, but if the bowl is deciding between West Virginia and TCU, for example, the Mountaineers could be the pick.




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Discover Orange Bowl


When: Jan. 4, 2012, 8 p.m. EST on ESPN



Current prediction: Virginia Tech Hokies vs. West Virginia Mountaineers



Next up for Virginia Tech's spot (ACC): Clemson, Virginia
Next up for West Virginia's spot (Big East): Cincinnati, Rutgers, Louisville, Pittsburgh, TCU



I've changed both of my picks for this bowl following Clemson's and Cincinnati's losses this weekend. The Big East race is even more of a mess following this week's results, but I'm going with West Virginia at the moment. As described above, there's a chance that the Sugar might want to take the Mountaineers if they wind up as Big East champs, meaning that TCU could face the ACC champ in the Orange.



Speaking of the ACC, Virginia is still alive for a BCS bowl appearance. The Cavaliers can punch their ticket to the ACC championship game with a home win against Virginia Tech on Saturday.

Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Boom Roasted on November 22, 2011, 08:40:26 AM
That was from ESPN by the way
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: EMAW4life-JHL on November 22, 2011, 04:43:29 PM
Michigan in no way what soever deserves to get in over us.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 22, 2011, 04:47:01 PM
Michigan in no way what soever deserves to get in over us.


Root for Ohio State.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: PowercatPat on November 22, 2011, 06:16:35 PM
Michigan in no way what soever deserves to get in over us.


But they're Michigan so they would.
Title: Re: If you had to choose...Share of Big XII title or BCS game?
Post by: Deez Nutz on November 23, 2011, 12:45:44 AM
Michigan in no way what soever deserves to get in over us.


But they're Michigan so they would.

In 1999, a 9-2 Michigan team was taken as an at-large bid over 10-1 Kansas State.   :curse: :angry: :cry: