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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Kat Kid on November 12, 2011, 07:32:21 AM
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Peggy Po's
Sure McOreb's couldn't shoot, but holy hell did he bail us out in the second half. 6 McOrebs. 11 boards. Starting to get a little concerned about his shooting.
Will Spradling is what people thought Clent Stewart was. I am never nervous when Will is on offense. He still has the run back to a spot and take a charge move and also broke up an easy layup with a well timed run between the man and the hoop. He had a couple blocking calls, one for being inside the line and another for moving his feet. He hit his free throws, but like the rest of the team missed multiple open looks for 3.
J.O. is a legit Big 12 big man. Is this our leader? He's a total goofball, but he was the only one fired up in the first half. He is a defensive presence. If he can Oreb and attack the basket off the dribble when given space he will be an absolute monster on both ends. He really should have had a double-double but his hands failed him on at least two boards. A couple more Southern made very nice hustle plays to get a tie-up.
Not only did we win on the court, but Frank won. Frank's post-game with some instant gems:
" When I put guys in the game we are up 24 to 16, they did not play well and they can tell you that. They know what practice has been like the past two days, but we were still up 24 to 16, I make substitutions and all of a sudden you are down by fifteen and you are saying why did I play those guys, to win you need five not twenty-five (no clue what this means)."
[the subs that came in were Gipson/Jones/Ojeleye]
"Concerned? I am never worried about that, I am worried about inflation and taxes." (throwing red meat to our economically illiterate tuck fan base)
Nancy Neg's
Rod is not a vocal leader. One problem with Frank is that he demands strong, vocal leadership from his players. If you are getting clowned by Frank during the game, you need a charismatic leader to keep pace and grab attention of teammates. What scares me is that Rod is a fantastic role player, but I think we're seeing the problems that will arise if he is our best player.
Senior Guard Rodney McGruder
On being a leader...
"It is the same ole same ole, just being prepared and ready. It is the same position, stepping up and taking that role. That is all it is."
On what was missing from practice...
"No energy, no leadership and guys not stepping up and pushing those other guys so they can be ready for game-like situations
Sophomore Guard Will Spradling
On preparation for the game...
"The way we practiced, we did not practice with any intensity.......That is Rodney and my fault that we did not take leadership of our team. We did not get our team ready like we should have."
Please God. I cannot take Jamar sulking around all season and the Freshman not improving. And God Bless you Will, but you are not ready for prime time leadership. No one is going to listen to you yet. Apparently Frank has put this on Rod... and honestly, Cartier Martin had more leadership qualities than Rodney. I don't want to talk about it any more. Bottom line: "I won't talk to anyone the entire game and will try to lead by example" is not going to work on this team. I still can't believe he didn't finish that beautiful back cut play Frank drew up for a dunk. Maybe the bounce pass was a little overeager from JO. Did not see a replay.
Early verdict on the transition game is in.... it is terrible. We were unable all game long to burn their press for dunks. I really shouldn't say anything else, but I will. We squandered at least two 2 on 1's where their man played decent D and their trailers caught up. We had zero creativity or ability to create on the break. Maybe this gets better, maybe our bigs do a better job hoofing it down the floor, maybe Jamar's return helps, maybe Angel gets back in to form. As it stands, it was a complete failure. We were constantly beat down the floor on D, we were outscored in transition and we were really unable to do much of anything unless it was a clear break off a turnover.
These stats: Points in the paint-CSU-MBB 14,KS 14 Points off turnovers-CSU-MBB 19,KS 5 2nd chance points-CSU-MBB 15,KS 9 Fast break points-CSU-MBB 16,KS 6 Rebounds-CSU-MBB 48,KS 39
We got out Junkyarded. Hard.
The freshman looked like freshman. Gipson and Angel were terrible. Gipson showed an inability to be physical and establish position. He showed one possession where he flashed a nice aggressive move toward the bucket with his shoulder, but the rest of the time he was invisible thanks to an effective zone and his cluelessness. On defense he was a disaster. Angel had three bad fouls, could not shoot and turned the ball over and telegraphed passes. He did show some impressive hops as the the point in the 1-2-2 trap. Unfortunately I don't think the steals were converted.
Martavious was uncomfortable to watch. He had moments. He flashed his skill on several drives. Unfortunately, he telegraphed his passes all game long. It is a wonder he only had 1 turnover, because I would have guessed he had as many as McGruder. A few poor passes went as tips out of bound. He was generally terrible on the break as well.
Omari played 2 minutes, had 2 turnovers and a foul.
Can everyone stfu about Adrian Diaz for a bit?
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:sdeek:
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The indictment of rods leadership couldn't be more spot on, I doubt we would have this problem if scary smart was still teaching under the old stadium
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The indictment of rods leadership couldn't be more spot on, I doubt we would have this problem if scary smart was still teaching under the old stadium
Frank. Leaders are made, not born. The answer is right there on campus, next to a statue of a spork.
http://www.k-state.edu/leadership/ (http://www.k-state.edu/leadership/)
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Jones looked pretty awful. He's the only one who's looked absolutely awful in both games. My money is on him and Watson both being off the team by the end of the season. Especially if Upshaw commits.
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Frank has seemed pleased with Jamar in his preseason comments, I do think he is ready to be a leader. I noticed him talking to players, guards & forwards, quite a bit last night.
Shane Brickwell
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Jones looked pretty awful. He's the only one who's looked absolutely awful in both games. My money is on him and Watson both being off the team by the end of the season. Especially if Upshaw commits.
No crap. I confuse Jones and Watson. Their suck is very similar.
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those damn nancy negs make me sad every time
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did you list Will Spradling being Clent Stewart as a positive? The entire list of Peggy Po's seems like a stretch, sans McOreb.
the defense was better in the second half, but the offense was god awful the entire game. or rather, the players runnning the offense were god awful.
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Why was watson in street clothes and sitting next to jamar?
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did you list Will Spradling being Clent Stewart as a positive? The entire list of Peggy Po's seems like a stretch, sans McOreb.
the defense was better in the second half, but the offense was god awful the entire game. or rather, the players runnning the offense were god awful.
JO being a positive is a stretch? Stuff like that makes it hard to take you serious, makes your meltdowns feel like trolling.
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If he's worried about taxes he should move his ass back to Florida! HooAH!
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Gipson's hands: :bawl:
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did you list Will Spradling being Clent Stewart as a positive? The entire list of Peggy Po's seems like a stretch, sans McOreb.
the defense was better in the second half, but the offense was god awful the entire game. or rather, the players runnning the offense were god awful.
Stay out of my thread until you have taken your meds. I don't want to be held liable.
As for sprads, he is what Clent would be if he were a D1 Big 12 caliber basketball player. For a soph that is good. By senior yr we will get a little misty when our little Spradling that could strides confidently over to mom and pop for a photo op.
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Why was watson in street clothes and sitting next to jamar?
And on this day, only a partial eff was given by CNS Casey.
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Why was watson in street clothes and sitting next to jamar?
And on this day, only a partial eff was given by CNS Casey.
I actually think you covered it pretty good.
I would ad that, although Angel had some struggle, I saw a lot of good. This kid is going to be exciting v soon.
Tay and Hane seem to be the exact same as they were last yr wihch makes me v sad.
Was v uncomfy last night. No safety net. No one to give the ball to to steady things in tough sitch's. Really miss jake and curt.
Last nights game was v valuable though. Having to play the majority of the game behind is great experience for this point in the season. W/ our team being so young, it is valuable to get hit in the mouth then overcome so early. Frank has to be quietly stoked about this.
JO is good and will be v important this year. Kid just needs to grab the ball a little more forcefully on oards.
Also, who the eff tld Diaz to shave? :curse:
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Why was watson in street clothes and sitting next to jamar?
And on this day, only a partial eff was given by CNS Casey.
I actually think you covered it pretty good.
I would ad that, although Angel had some struggle, I saw a lot of good. This kid is going to be exciting v soon.
Tay and Hane seem to be the exact same as they were last yr wihch makes me v sad.
Was v uncomfy last night. No safety net. No one to give the ball to to steady things in tough sitch's. Really miss jake and curt.
Last nights game was v valuable though. Having to play the majority of the game behind is great experience for this point in the season. W/ our team being so young, it is valuable to get hit in the mouth then overcome so early. Frank has to be quietly stoked about this.
JO is good and will be v important this year. Kid just needs to grab the ball a little more forcefully on oards.
Also, who the eff tld Diaz to shave? :curse:
A bunch of idiots will criticize the offense for being "street ball." Actually we have no one who can really create off the off the dribble at will when we need a bucket. Enormous problem. Our best prospects for doing this are Martavious and Angel. Both of them look shook last night when it counted. That is a gaping hole. If teams are content to jam the middle, then we need to knock down shots. Last night was that.
The part that really bothers me more than anything was getting worked on the boards, getting worked on hustle, getting worked on the break, getting worked in literally every single Junkyard Dobermancats category there is. At a minimum a Frank team should win that battle. That is the fundamental problem that must be corrected.
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did you list Will Spradling being Clent Stewart as a positive? The entire list of Peggy Po's seems like a stretch, sans McOreb.
the defense was better in the second half, but the offense was god awful the entire game. or rather, the players runnning the offense were god awful.
JO being a positive is a stretch? Stuff like that makes it hard to take you serious, makes your meltdowns feel like trolling.
that was an oversight. But I mean, I am supposed to do cartwheels cause a player that we recruited to the big 12 is actually big 12 caliber? Forgive me for thinking this should be the expectation.
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It seems pretty simple; when Frank's teams don't rebound AND don't hit 3s then they are really bad. Just overall getting out-JYCed can't happen. The positive is what has been said, plenty of Frank teams have done this and turned out fine, we'll see if this one does.
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Neg - Squawkstin Beak's new hairdo.
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Nancy Neg - tortguga's existence as a k-state fan
Nancy Neg - we're deleting posts now :facepalm:
Peggy POS - goEMAW.com
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Neg - Squawkstin Beak's new hairdo.
Wow. Could not disagree more.
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Neg - Squawkstin Beak's new hairdo.
Wow. Could not disagree more.
please describe
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Neg - Squawkstin Beak's new hairdo.
Wow. Could not disagree more.
I'd like to see the 2-weeks-ago mullet he mentioned.
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Neg - Squawkstin Beak's new hairdo.
Wow. Could not disagree more.
please describe
shorter Bieber swoop
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Neg - Squawkstin Beak's new hairdo.
Wow. Could not disagree more.
please describe
shorter Bieber swoop
well, it sounds amazing
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Neg - Squawkstin Beak's new hairdo.
Wow. Could not disagree more.
please describe
Longer pre-marty-assistance George McFly.
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Neg - Squawkstin Beak's new hairdo.
Wow. Could not disagree more.
please describe
Longer pre-marty-assistance George McFly.
well that sounds less amazing
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Agree w/ rebounding sentiment above. So far this is franks worst boarding team to date.
Also, Gip is the only player I have ever seen w a neg vert. He seems to actually get lower to the floor when he jumps
Gip gotta board for us to be successful.
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Agree w/ rebounding sentiment above. So far this is franks worst boarding team to date.
Also, Gip is the only player I have ever seen w a neg vert. He seems to actually get lower to the floor when he jumps
Gip gotta board for us to be successful.
our bigs have awful hands
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Agree w/ rebounding sentiment above. So far this is franks worst boarding team to date.
Also, Gip is the only player I have ever seen w a neg vert. He seems to actually get lower to the floor when he jumps
Gip gotta board for us to be successful.
we've played one game
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Agree w/ rebounding sentiment above. So far this is franks worst boarding team to date.
Also, Gip is the only player I have ever seen w a neg vert. He seems to actually get lower to the floor when he jumps
Gip gotta board for us to be successful.
our bigs have awful hands
Well, except for Adrian Diaz. His hands are amazing. :lol:
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Agree w/ rebounding sentiment above. So far this is franks worst boarding team to date.
Also, Gip is the only player I have ever seen w a neg vert. He seems to actually get lower to the floor when he jumps
Gip gotta board for us to be successful.
our bigs have awful hands
Well, except for Adrian Diaz. His hands are amazing. :lol:
as bad as everyone else's. JO would be ridiculous if he would quit punching at the ball.
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FakeSugarDick/Real Dumbass, we all know and understand that. Pls report back to the Bill Give-Them-Time-to-Open-The-Playbook Board w/ other combos.
Sincerely, Casey
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" When I put guys in the game we are up 24 to 16, they did not play well and they can tell you that. They know what practice has been like the past two days, but we were still up 24 to 16, I make substitutions and all of a sudden you are down by fifteen and you are saying why did I play those guys, to win you need five not twenty-five (no clue what this means)."
[the subs that came in were Gipson/Jones/Ojeleye]
martin is saying that he shouldn't have played so many people. he played his bench even though they have been practicing like crap and it was predictable that they would play like crap. only 5 players can play at a time, not 25. hence you only need 5 good players (like ku), and only 5 players need to play.
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Surprised to see JO as a positive to so many. I was very disappointed in his play, maybe because I had high expectations or maybe because he was 6 inches taller than anyone on their team. I didn't see many positives other than coming from way down to get a win. We have a long ways to go to get to where I thought we would be
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FakeSugarDick/Real Dumbass, we all know and understand that. Pls report back to the Bill Give-Them-Time-to-Open-The-Playbook Board w/ other combos.
Sincerely, Casey
This is the worst 3pt shooting team frank has had.
it's times like these I wish the internet didn't exist. You and tortuga posting about basketball is about the most embarrassing thing in ksu sports history. As a fan with a brain, I have duty to point out that not all of us are as stupid as you two.
not what I wanted to do today, thanks a lot
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" When I put guys in the game we are up 24 to 16, they did not play well and they can tell you that. They know what practice has been like the past two days, but we were still up 24 to 16, I make substitutions and all of a sudden you are down by fifteen and you are saying why did I play those guys, to win you need five not twenty-five (no clue what this means)."
[the subs that came in were Gipson/Jones/Ojeleye]
martin is saying that he shouldn't have played so many people. he played his bench even though they have been practicing like crap and it was predictable that they would play like crap. only 5 players can play at a time, not 25. hence you only need 5 good players (like ku), and only 5 players need to play.
That makes sense. In the midst of the score it seemed like gibberish. When the transcriber switched from numerals to words I guess I should've read that as a context clue.
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" When I put guys in the game we are up 24 to 16, they did not play well and they can tell you that. They know what practice has been like the past two days, but we were still up 24 to 16, I make substitutions and all of a sudden you are down by fifteen and you are saying why did I play those guys, to win you need five not twenty-five (no clue what this means)."
[the subs that came in were Gipson/Jones/Ojeleye]
martin is saying that he shouldn't have played so many people. he played his bench even though they have been practicing like crap and it was predictable that they would play like crap. only 5 players can play at a time, not 25. hence you only need 5 good players (like ku), and only 5 players need to play.
That makes sense. In the midst of the score it seemed like gibberish. When the transcriber switched from numerals to words I guess I should've read that as a context clue.
Will be interesting to see if Frank follows through and doesn't get into the bench early next game
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This thread reminded me that groups of girls have their periods at the same time :bwpopcorn:
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" When I put guys in the game we are up 24 to 16, they did not play well and they can tell you that. They know what practice has been like the past two days, but we were still up 24 to 16, I make substitutions and all of a sudden you are down by fifteen and you are saying why did I play those guys, to win you need five not twenty-five (no clue what this means)."
[the subs that came in were Gipson/Jones/Ojeleye]
martin is saying that he shouldn't have played so many people. he played his bench even though they have been practicing like crap and it was predictable that they would play like crap. only 5 players can play at a time, not 25. hence you only need 5 good players (like ku), and only 5 players need to play.
That makes sense. In the midst of the score it seemed like gibberish. When the transcriber switched from numerals to words I guess I should've read that as a context clue.
Will be interesting to see if Frank follows through and doesn't get into the bench early next game
Is Frank Frank?
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Frank used to be a math teacher. He can count to 5.
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Gruds flashing to the high post against the zone :love:*
*Do not care if this post is 3 days late, these type of reflections take time.
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i feel like fake sugar dick's PI'ing would have more impact if he didn't try so hard to do it all the time
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A bunch of idiots will criticize the offense for being "street ball." Actually we have no one who can really create off the off the dribble at will when we need a bucket. Enormous problem.
I agree with not having many players who can create their own shot off the dribble. And, when teams play a man defense, it will be glaring.
But, CSU played a zone for the majority of the game. And you don't really beat a zone by dribbling through it. I'm not Bobby Knight, but I know that you beat a zone by collapsing the zone and kicking to the wings or short corners for open jump shots. You collapse the zone with dribble penetration or by hitting cutters at the FT line, elbow area.
Our problem against the zone (has always been a problem) is that we don't collapse the zone and we don't pass the ball well. Hence, no open looks.
Frank always has our Forwards cutting to the FTline and cathing the ball - back to basket. Problem is that these guys are the worst passers and shooters on the team. However, in the 2nd half, magically MacGruder started to cut to the FTline, catch the ball, and face up the basket. And, magically, we started getting a better offensive flow. Maybe Frank could have made this adjustment in the 1st half instead of giving the team the silent treatment.
Also, it may be smart to put our best shooters on the wings so that, theoretically, when the zone collapses, we got guys who can actually execute an open 3-pointer. Spradling, A-Rod, MacGruder. Instead, we got to watch Irving and Southmouth throw up brick after brick.
I think Frank needs to be seen by the scheme doctor.