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Title: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 10:47:58 PM
Is officially the dumbest coach in the nation.  Cardinal sin of coaching, don't outsmart yourself.  eff you for not letting Kline try and punch it in.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: OK_Cat on November 05, 2011, 10:48:34 PM
suck a dick, moron.

no need to melt down over this game.  win/win
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 10:50:01 PM
suck a dick, moron.

no need to melt down over this game.  win/win

Go eff yourself hick.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 05, 2011, 10:50:29 PM
Snyder/Dimel/Miller regularly outsmart themselves, it's what they do.

Some of us are used to it.

Run wide, and get out out bounds if there's nothing there.

Oh well.

Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: OK_Cat on November 05, 2011, 10:51:16 PM
suck a dick, moron.

no need to melt down over this game.  win/win

Go eff yourself hick.

dumbfuck,

we just played to the last second (literally) with the #2 team in the country, and our qb/freshman wr look like heroes.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 10:52:45 PM
suck a dick, moron.

no need to melt down over this game.  win/win

Go eff yourself hick.

dumbfuck,

we just played to the last second (literally) with the #2 team in the country, and our qb/freshman wr look like heroes.


There's a reason you thought you should put OK in your name, it's because you're a rough ridin' loser.  Only rough ridin' losers play to lose by a little bit.  Meanwhile, the winners get paid and eff the prom queen.  So shut the eff up, and be a loser quietly.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Super PurpleCat on November 05, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
I was there near the endzone that Brian Kavanagh threw that interception that ruined the Cotton Bowl for us.

That play was rushed and none of our coaching staff thought about calling a timeout.

crap happens.   :runaway:
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: mcmwcat on November 05, 2011, 10:56:33 PM
should have run 1st and goal w/ 1 TO left.  ohwell
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: mortons toe on November 05, 2011, 10:56:55 PM
suck a dick, moron.

no need to melt down over this game.  win/win

Go eff yourself hick.

dumbfuck,

we just played to the last second (literally) with the #2 team in the country, and our qb/freshman wr look like heroes.


There's a reason you thought you should put OK in your name, it's because you're a rough ridin' loser.  Only rough ridin' losers play to lose by a little bit.  Meanwhile, the winners get paid and eff the prom queen.  So shut the eff up, and be a loser quietly.
exactly... no moral victories here, just some bad play calling.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: chum1 on November 05, 2011, 10:58:28 PM
I don't know how many seconds it actually took, but that fade to Lockett seemed like it took a long time.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: mcmwcat on November 05, 2011, 11:02:43 PM
I don't know how many seconds it actually took, but that fade to Lockett seemed like it took a long time.

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Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: wabash909 on November 05, 2011, 11:07:57 PM
The offense didn't lose this game, you dumbf*cks.

If you want to point a finger, at least point it in the right place.

Jesus.



Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: BostonPancake on November 05, 2011, 11:09:28 PM
should have run 1st and goal w/ 1 TO left.  ohwell

this
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 11:09:39 PM
The offense didn't lose this game, you dumbf*cks.

If you want to point a finger, at least point it in the right place.

Jesus.





No one said it lost us the game, you dumbfuck.

If you're going to try and be a contrarian, at least make an intelligent statement.

Jesus
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: bozocat on November 05, 2011, 11:13:05 PM
The offense didn't lose this game, you dumbf*cks.

If you want to point a finger, at least point it in the right place.

Jesus.





Are you saying "point the finger at Jesus"?   :surprised:
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: PowercatPat on November 05, 2011, 11:13:38 PM
Klein could have easily run it in on the last play. The left side was wide open.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: wabash909 on November 05, 2011, 11:14:52 PM
The offense didn't lose this game, you dumbf*cks.

If you want to point a finger, at least point it in the right place.

Jesus.


No one said it lost us the game, you dumbfuck.

If you're going to try and be a contrarian, at least make an intelligent statement.

Jesus

Criticizing the play calling is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) in a game that was lost by a shithole defense.


Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: slimz on November 05, 2011, 11:15:41 PM
The offense didn't lose this game, you dumbf*cks.

If you want to point a finger, at least point it in the right place.

Jesus.





They gave OSU 14 points early. Those might have been helpful at the end.    :dunno:

Or, you spike the ball on first down, then try a run, since it's been so successful, while you still have your timeout in your pocket.

Instead, we rush a 7-second fade, try another fade, then run some crappy rollout.

 :flush:
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 11:17:06 PM
The offense didn't lose this game, you dumbf*cks.

If you want to point a finger, at least point it in the right place.

Jesus.


No one said it lost us the game, you dumbfuck.

If you're going to try and be a contrarian, at least make an intelligent statement.

Jesus

Criticizing the play calling is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) in a game that was lost by a shithole defense.




Being an apologist is pitiful no matter the events of the game.  The right play call sets the Kats up for a win, period.  Every play before that is meaningless.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: chum1 on November 05, 2011, 11:19:18 PM
Run our pass, it doesn't seem like we had a set of end-of-the-game-while-the-clock-is-running-out plays ready to go.  eff that.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: slimz on November 05, 2011, 11:21:06 PM
Run our pass, it doesn't seem like we had a set of end-of-the-game-while-the-clock-is-running-out plays ready to go.  eff that.

It's on pages 425-26 of the playbook, which were inadvertently left in Vanier by Shorty Kleinau.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: wabash909 on November 05, 2011, 11:24:34 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.

Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: kso_FAN on November 05, 2011, 11:26:11 PM
The plays were bad because they didn't work.

I likely would've ran the ball with 12 seconds left when we still had the timeout, but I don't think it was some horribly stupid decision to throw. If anything on the last play we had a miscommunication because neither reciever broke out into the corner of the endzone. I didn't mind the fade to Harper or Lockett honestly, we tried to get the ball to our 2 best recievers.

This was simply a TEAM loss, neither the defense nor the offense made enough plays to beat a team as talented as OSU, especially on the road.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 11:26:52 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.



How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: kso_FAN on November 05, 2011, 11:29:22 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.



How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.

If I'm not mistaken we had our best passing game of the year. You can call it overthinking (maybe it is), but most coaches won't run there because of the risk. I likely would've run the ball on 2nd down after spiking it, but its not like throwing (nor the calls) were terrible.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 05, 2011, 11:29:43 PM
I don't know how many seconds it actually took, but that fade to Lockett seemed like it took a long time.

yeah. it took 7 and i have to think that a fade route to a freshman receiver that isn't even six feet tall with the ball being thrown by collin klein probably wasn't the best choice in that situation. still got three plays which is all you could expect given the time left so it didn't really matter i guess. still painful. momentum. no time. fade to a 5 11" freshman. uggggh.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: OB_Won on November 05, 2011, 11:29:57 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.



How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.
Picking up 5 yards with corners sitting back 5-10 yards and safeties sitting back 12-15 yards is a hell of lot easier than everybody pressing or within 5 yards of the LOS.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: catzacker on November 05, 2011, 11:30:54 PM
I blame tyson hartman and so should you.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 11:31:47 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.



How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.
Picking up 5 yards with corners sitting back 5-10 yards and safeties sitting back 12-15 yards is a hell of lot easier than everybody pressing or within 5 yards of the LOS.

Great point, how many RUSHING touchdowns did we have again?
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: wetwillie on November 05, 2011, 11:31:53 PM
I blame tyson hartman and so should you.

don't you let one of his y's off the hook. don't you rough ridin' do it.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 05, 2011, 11:32:31 PM
The plays were bad because they didn't work.

I likely would've ran the ball with 12 seconds left when we still had the timeout, but I don't think it was some horribly stupid decision to throw. If anything on the last play we had a miscommunication because neither reciever broke out into the corner of the endzone. I didn't mind the fade to Harper or Lockett honestly, we tried to get the ball to our 2 best recievers.

This was simply a TEAM loss, neither the defense nor the offense made enough plays to beat a team as talented as OSU, especially on the road.

seriously? a fade route that takes a lot of seconds off the clock to a freshman wide receiver that isn't even six feet tall when you have been gashing them on the run w/ a timeout still left and collin klein (like him a lot) is the one throwing the ball and you don't think it was a bad call?
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: chum1 on November 05, 2011, 11:32:51 PM
I don't trust our players to run the ball and then call the timeout.  They would have mumped something up.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: swish1 on November 05, 2011, 11:33:34 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.



How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.

hey numbnuts, we threw the ball better today than we had all year long.  we moved the ball by being somewhat balanced for once.  this loss cant be blamed on the offense or the defense but rather the fact that we arent as athletic as osu.  if we were in the hay day of the dod we would have redshirted lockett. instead hes our best receiver...  lack of talent is why we lost to a superior talented osu team.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 11:34:54 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.



How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.

hey numbnuts, we threw the ball better today than we had all year long.  we moved the ball by being somewhat balanced for once.  this loss cant be blamed on the offense or the defense but rather the fact that we arent as athletic as osu.  if we were in the hay day of the dod we would have redshirted lockett. instead hes our best receiver...  lack of talent is why we lost to a superior talented osu team.

Hey Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) piece of crap, this isn't about who lost the game, it's about how rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) the play calling was at the end of the game.  It's not a rough ridin' difficult concept to grasp.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: pike on November 05, 2011, 11:35:48 PM
LHC Bill Snyder lost this game. 3 throws that close to the goal line is not our forte, and I don't see why we didn't run it at least once.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 05, 2011, 11:37:31 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.



How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.

hey numbnuts, we threw the ball better today than we had all year long.  we moved the ball by being somewhat balanced for once.  this loss cant be blamed on the offense or the defense but rather the fact that we arent as athletic as osu.  if we were in the hay day of the dod we would have redshirted lockett. instead hes our best receiver...  lack of talent is why we lost to a superior talented osu team.

i think it's entirely possible that our best wide receiver hasn't played in the last five games and no one knows why.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: swish1 on November 05, 2011, 11:38:29 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.



How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.

hey numbnuts, we threw the ball better today than we had all year long.  we moved the ball by being somewhat balanced for once.  this loss cant be blamed on the offense or the defense but rather the fact that we arent as athletic as osu.  if we were in the hay day of the dod we would have redshirted lockett. instead hes our best receiver...  lack of talent is why we lost to a superior talented osu team.

Hey Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) piece of crap, this isn't about who lost the game, it's about how rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) the play calling was at the end of the game.  It's not a rough ridin' difficult concept to grasp.

LOL.  so you expect 5 yards per carry?  the playcalling at the end of the game fell in line with what we had done all game long.  its not a rough ridin' difficult concept to grasp.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: wabash909 on November 05, 2011, 11:38:49 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.



How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.

Dude, I hear you.  It's just a calculated risk with a handful of seconds on the clock.  It definitely backfired.

As much as I may be upset over the failure to execute on those last two plays, it pales in comparison to the horrendous performance by the Tim Tibesar absurdity of a defense we witnessed tonight.  That's what cost us the game.

 
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 05, 2011, 11:39:13 PM
I miss Brod.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: chum1 on November 05, 2011, 11:39:25 PM
LHC Bill Snyder lost this game. 3 throws that close to the goal line is not our forte, and I don't see why we didn't run it at least once.

On the other hand, take three throws and you'd like to think that we could convert one of them.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: catzacker on November 05, 2011, 11:39:50 PM
Criticizing the play calling at the end is fair, but it is no why we lost.  I didn't neccesarily like any of the calls at all, but our defense is why we lost.  You should be questioning why Cosh thought man coverage with no blitz was a good idea.  THAT was entirely more stupid tha any play call at the end.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: swish1 on November 05, 2011, 11:39:58 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.



How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.

hey numbnuts, we threw the ball better today than we had all year long.  we moved the ball by being somewhat balanced for once.  this loss cant be blamed on the offense or the defense but rather the fact that we arent as athletic as osu.  if we were in the hay day of the dod we would have redshirted lockett. instead hes our best receiver...  lack of talent is why we lost to a superior talented osu team.

i think it's entirely possible that our best wide receiver hasn't played in the last five games and no one knows why.

i wasnt including brod smith since he hasnt been playing.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 11:41:18 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.



How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.

hey numbnuts, we threw the ball better today than we had all year long.  we moved the ball by being somewhat balanced for once.  this loss cant be blamed on the offense or the defense but rather the fact that we arent as athletic as osu.  if we were in the hay day of the dod we would have redshirted lockett. instead hes our best receiver...  lack of talent is why we lost to a superior talented osu team.

Hey Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) piece of crap, this isn't about who lost the game, it's about how rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) the play calling was at the end of the game.  It's not a rough ridin' difficult concept to grasp.

LOL.  so you expect 5 yards per carry?  the playcalling at the end of the game fell in line with what we had done all game long.  its not a rough ridin' difficult concept to grasp.


Collin Klein, 29 carries for 144 yards, 5.0 yards per carry average, and 3 rushing touchdowns.  Any other stupid rough ridin' questions?
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: kso_FAN on November 05, 2011, 11:41:23 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.



How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.

Dude, I hear you.  It's just a calculated risk with a handful of seconds on the clock.  It definitely backfired.

As much as I may be upset over the failure to execute on those last two plays, it pales in comparison to the horrendous performance by the Tim Tibesar absurdity of a defense we witnessed tonight.  That's what cost us the game.

 

To be fair, Tibs (or last year's defense) would've gave up 700 yards.

We did an admirable job stopping OSU's running game (besides Randall's last run) and forcing them to beat us with the pass. Weeden and company are just good enough to beat us regardless.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: nicname on November 05, 2011, 11:44:35 PM
If there was one stretch that sticks out to me as being where KSU lost the game it was after we got the pick-6 to go up by ten and promptly gave it all back.  The end was desperation that nearly got us the win.  I think I would have tried a run on 1st down with 12 sec left but that doesn't mean that passing 3 times isn't a bad option.  You are giving yourself three chances to complete a 5-yard pass.  

Sucks to see the Cats lose, would have been a great win.

edit: isn't a bad option
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: kso_FAN on November 05, 2011, 11:46:16 PM
If there was one stretch that sticks out to me as being where KSU lost the game it was after we got the pick-6 to go up by ten and promptly gave it all back.  The end was desperation that nearly got us the win.  I think I would have tried a run on 1st down with 12 sec left but that doesn't mean that passing 3 times is a bad option.  You are giving yourself three chances to complete a 5-yard pass. 

Sucks to see the Cats lose, would have been a great win.

The Klein INT was the worst single play of the night in the game. IMHO. But he more than made up for it (and the fumble) with the rest of his play. IMHO.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: ednksu on November 05, 2011, 11:47:13 PM
I don't trust our players to run the ball and then call the timeout.  They would have mumped something up.
ummm.....Lockett's long pass @ KU before the half?
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 11:47:56 PM
If there was one stretch that sticks out to me as being where KSU lost the game it was after we got the pick-6 to go up by ten and promptly gave it all back.  The end was desperation that nearly got us the win.  I think I would have tried a run on 1st down with 12 sec left but that doesn't mean that passing 3 times is a bad option.  You are giving yourself three chances to complete a 5-yard pass. 

Sucks to see the Cats lose, would have been a great win.

The Klein INT was the worst single play of the night in the game. IMHO. But he more than made up for it (and the fumble) with the rest of his play. IMHO.

Disagree, Blackmon on a slant scoring when we were up by one in the fourth was pretty pitiful.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: kso_FAN on November 05, 2011, 11:48:43 PM
If there was one stretch that sticks out to me as being where KSU lost the game it was after we got the pick-6 to go up by ten and promptly gave it all back.  The end was desperation that nearly got us the win.  I think I would have tried a run on 1st down with 12 sec left but that doesn't mean that passing 3 times is a bad option.  You are giving yourself three chances to complete a 5-yard pass. 

Sucks to see the Cats lose, would have been a great win.

The Klein INT was the worst single play of the night in the game. IMHO. But he more than made up for it (and the fumble) with the rest of his play. IMHO.

Disagree, Blackmon on a slant scoring when we were up by one in the fourth was pretty pitiful.

I would put that as a very close second. No idea why we had the safeties so wide there.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: OB_Won on November 05, 2011, 11:49:01 PM
We had one time out.

We passed the ball with 5 seconds because if we ran it without it resulting in a TD the game is over.

Criticize Klein for not running on the last play when the play broke down, but I don't see how the play calling itself cost us this game.


 

How did we move the ball all game long?  How did throwing the ball work out?  It's not even a question of what they should have done.  You have one play, 5 yards to go, you go with what works.
Picking up 5 yards with corners sitting back 5-10 yards and safeties sitting back 12-15 yards is a hell of lot easier than everybody pressing or within 5 yards of the LOS.

Great point, how many RUSHING touchdowns did we have again?
I would have liked to see a run with the time out left, and then a pass.  However, we got 3 plays off.  If we were gonna pass 3 times I might have tried a jump ball at the back of the end zone with our 6-8 TE at least once. Who knows man.  I aint gonna hate though.  We had 507 yards of offense to their 575.  Our talent mismatch dictates we shouldn't have been within 21 points of that game.  Should have fired Cosh and gotten a dynamic, young, d-coordinator who can recruit his ass off.  Again, easier said then done, but we didn't even try to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 11:51:38 PM
If there was one stretch that sticks out to me as being where KSU lost the game it was after we got the pick-6 to go up by ten and promptly gave it all back.  The end was desperation that nearly got us the win.  I think I would have tried a run on 1st down with 12 sec left but that doesn't mean that passing 3 times is a bad option.  You are giving yourself three chances to complete a 5-yard pass. 

Sucks to see the Cats lose, would have been a great win.

The Klein INT was the worst single play of the night in the game. IMHO. But he more than made up for it (and the fumble) with the rest of his play. IMHO.

Disagree, Blackmon on a slant scoring when we were up by one in the fourth was pretty pitiful.

I would put that as a very close second. No idea why we had the safeties so wide there.

Zim jumped the flag route with the best receiver in the nation streaking down the middle.  It hurts your brain to just think about it.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 05, 2011, 11:53:15 PM
If there was one stretch that sticks out to me as being where KSU lost the game it was after we got the pick-6 to go up by ten and promptly gave it all back.  The end was desperation that nearly got us the win.  I think I would have tried a run on 1st down with 12 sec left but that doesn't mean that passing 3 times is a bad option.  You are giving yourself three chances to complete a 5-yard pass. 

Sucks to see the Cats lose, would have been a great win.

i don't have an issue with passing three times. that's fine. eating up seven of the twelve seconds on a rough ridin' fade route to a freshman wide receiver that isn't even six feet tall on the first play of that possession was ridiculous. we were insanely, insanely lucky to get a third play out of that deal.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: kso_FAN on November 05, 2011, 11:53:59 PM
If there was one stretch that sticks out to me as being where KSU lost the game it was after we got the pick-6 to go up by ten and promptly gave it all back.  The end was desperation that nearly got us the win.  I think I would have tried a run on 1st down with 12 sec left but that doesn't mean that passing 3 times is a bad option.  You are giving yourself three chances to complete a 5-yard pass. 

Sucks to see the Cats lose, would have been a great win.

The Klein INT was the worst single play of the night in the game. IMHO. But he more than made up for it (and the fumble) with the rest of his play. IMHO.

Disagree, Blackmon on a slant scoring when we were up by one in the fourth was pretty pitiful.

I would put that as a very close second. No idea why we had the safeties so wide there.

Zim jumped the flag route with the best receiver in the nation streaking down the middle.  It hurts your brain to just think about it.

Yeah, no idea what he saw/read there. And his missed tackle on Randle was really bad.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 11:54:53 PM
If there was one stretch that sticks out to me as being where KSU lost the game it was after we got the pick-6 to go up by ten and promptly gave it all back.  The end was desperation that nearly got us the win.  I think I would have tried a run on 1st down with 12 sec left but that doesn't mean that passing 3 times is a bad option.  You are giving yourself three chances to complete a 5-yard pass. 

Sucks to see the Cats lose, would have been a great win.

The Klein INT was the worst single play of the night in the game. IMHO. But he more than made up for it (and the fumble) with the rest of his play. IMHO.

Disagree, Blackmon on a slant scoring when we were up by one in the fourth was pretty pitiful.

I would put that as a very close second. No idea why we had the safeties so wide there.

Zim jumped the flag route with the best receiver in the nation streaking down the middle.  It hurts your brain to just think about it.

Yeah, no idea what he saw/read there. And his missed tackle on Randle was really bad.

Images of Marcus Watts flashed through my head on that missed tackle.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: mcmwcat on November 05, 2011, 11:57:01 PM
If there was one stretch that sticks out to me as being where KSU lost the game it was after we got the pick-6 to go up by ten and promptly gave it all back.  The end was desperation that nearly got us the win.  I think I would have tried a run on 1st down with 12 sec left but that doesn't mean that passing 3 times is a bad option.  You are giving yourself three chances to complete a 5-yard pass. 

Sucks to see the Cats lose, would have been a great win.

The Klein INT was the worst single play of the night in the game. IMHO. But he more than made up for it (and the fumble) with the rest of his play. IMHO.

Disagree, Blackmon on a slant scoring when we were up by one in the fourth was pretty pitiful.

I would put that as a very close second. No idea why we had the safeties so wide there.

Zim jumped the flag route with the best receiver in the nation streaking down the middle.  It hurts your brain to just think about it.

Yeah, no idea what he saw/read there. And his missed tackle on Randle was really bad.

Images of Marcus Watts flashed through my head on that missed tackle.

it was the best thing that could have happened to ksu in that situation.  he makes that tackle then OSU runs out the clock and kicks a FG giving us no chance to get the ball back
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 05, 2011, 11:58:43 PM
I blame tyson hartman and so should you.

i'm assuming you're either kidding or related to zimmerman.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Andy on November 05, 2011, 11:59:10 PM
If there was one stretch that sticks out to me as being where KSU lost the game it was after we got the pick-6 to go up by ten and promptly gave it all back.  The end was desperation that nearly got us the win.  I think I would have tried a run on 1st down with 12 sec left but that doesn't mean that passing 3 times is a bad option.  You are giving yourself three chances to complete a 5-yard pass. 

Sucks to see the Cats lose, would have been a great win.

The Klein INT was the worst single play of the night in the game. IMHO. But he more than made up for it (and the fumble) with the rest of his play. IMHO.

Disagree, Blackmon on a slant scoring when we were up by one in the fourth was pretty pitiful.

I would put that as a very close second. No idea why we had the safeties so wide there.

Zim jumped the flag route with the best receiver in the nation streaking down the middle.  It hurts your brain to just think about it.

Yeah, no idea what he saw/read there. And his missed tackle on Randle was really bad.

Images of Marcus Watts flashed through my head on that missed tackle.

it was the best thing that could have happened to ksu in that situation.  he makes that tackle then OSU runs out the clock and kicks a FG giving us no chance to get the ball back

what i was thinking.  once they got in easy fg range, just let them score.  its just hard to tell if he was really trying or not.  lol.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Pendergast on November 05, 2011, 11:59:47 PM

Images of Marcus Watts flashed through my head on that missed tackle.

it was the best thing that could have happened to ksu in that situation.  he makes that tackle then OSU runs out the clock and kicks a FG giving us no chance to get the ball back

We've blocked a lot of field goals though, and I wouldn't have been so pissed with that ending.  We also had one TO so we could have made them kick off.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: nicname on November 06, 2011, 12:05:27 AM
If there was one stretch that sticks out to me as being where KSU lost the game it was after we got the pick-6 to go up by ten and promptly gave it all back.  The end was desperation that nearly got us the win.  I think I would have tried a run on 1st down with 12 sec left but that doesn't mean that passing 3 times is a bad option.  You are giving yourself three chances to complete a 5-yard pass. 

Sucks to see the Cats lose, would have been a great win.

i don't have an issue with passing three times. that's fine. eating up seven of the twelve seconds on a rough ridin' fade route to a freshman wide receiver that isn't even six feet tall on the first play of that possession was ridiculous. we were insanely, insanely lucky to get a third play out of that deal.

yeah, i was expecting the fade to harper to be the last play but we got an extra second.  still, the fade to lockett prob doesnt normally take 7 seconds so it all averages out. 
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Cire on November 06, 2011, 12:13:20 AM
White ks kids lost this game for us
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: Fuktard on November 06, 2011, 03:19:39 PM
Didn't have a huge problem with the last 3 plays, BUT I would have liked to have seen us run it on 1st, call time out, pass on 2nd, and then run again on 3rd down.  I really think that would have been preferable to 3 straight passes and I think we would have scored.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: OregonSmock on November 06, 2011, 03:30:53 PM
Klein seems to always find a way to gain an extra two or three yards when he runs the ball, and OSU's defense couldn't contain his scrambling ability at all last night.  I agree with the OP... this is a case where the coaching staff tried to get too cute with their play-calling at the end, and instead of calling a QB scramble (which had been working all night), they elected to try to "out-smart" Bill Young (OSU's d-coordinator) with a few passing plays. 
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: mcmwcat on November 06, 2011, 04:07:33 PM
lol.  what play is the "qb scramble"
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: OregonSmock on November 06, 2011, 04:08:58 PM
lol.  what play is the "qb scramble"



It's not really a scramble, but it's the play where Klein lines up in a Wildcat style package and basically plays RB. 
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: wetwillie on November 06, 2011, 04:09:36 PM
How could snyder not known to run the qb waggle from Madden 96
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: mcmwcat on November 06, 2011, 04:12:06 PM
lol.  what play is the "qb scramble"



It's not really a scramble, but it's the play where Klein lines up in a Wildcat style package and basically plays RB. 

agree.  the one where Wilson and Hubert line up directly in front and to the right of Klien.  just try and power forward and get a quick TO if you don't get in.  from there you have a shorter field and if you get a 3rd down have a more viable run/pass option on the last play.

and if you are going to pass 3 times you might want to get your 6'8" TEs involved.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: OregonSmock on November 06, 2011, 04:13:43 PM
How could snyder not known to run the qb waggle from Madden 96



Klein also has success when K-State lines up in trips formation and allows him to roll out of the pocket and either pass or run.  Either way, he should have had the chance to run it in last night from five yards out.  All of you guys defending the play-calling at the end remind me of all the Bill Self nut-huggers on phog.net.  No ability to think outside the box.  
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: kim carnes on November 06, 2011, 04:14:53 PM
If we would have ran it and got stopped everyone would be screaming that we should have thrown it.
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: OregonSmock on November 06, 2011, 04:15:50 PM
If we would have ran it and got stopped everyone would be screaming that we should have thrown it.


If the run doesn't work, you call a timeout and run the QB draw/play action to the TE/jump pass play.  
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: pike on November 06, 2011, 04:20:10 PM
Let's face it, our HOF head coach really mumped up the last 15 seconds
Title: Re: Whoever decided we shouldn't run the ball at the end...
Post by: EMAWmeister on November 06, 2011, 04:21:29 PM
I guess my only complaint is that it didn't look like a controlled, set play.  It was just a panicked, backyard football style play that lead to lots of confusion.