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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 05, 2011, 10:30:13 PM
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Fire his ass
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Mike slaps his head at this thread....but also simultaneously reminds you he is homeless.
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Never had one of these before.
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QBs have been setting school records against our secondary. Time for a change
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Fire his ass
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
what a stupid rough ridin' ass clown
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Fire his ass
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
what a stupid rough ridin' ass clown
We need twenty Fire Cosh threads.
He is worthless. Pitiful. Horrible. He sucks at everything that has to do with coordinating a defense.
He needs to be fired. Anyone who says otherwise is a freaking clown.
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Also the whole 7'ish plays where we gave up 2 consecutive TD's in the 4th really shined bright
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This is embarrassing. 1200 yards in two weeks.
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Until both the recruiting and the coaching improve, get used to it.
We keep rolling DITR out there to try and stop world class athletes. Sorry, it ain't gonna happen.
A combination of better coaching, better recruiting and better facilities needs to happen sooner rather than later, otherwise it's just going to continue.
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As long a Cosh keeps sawing wood and getting a little bit better every day, his job is secure.
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The biggest problem is that our players are small, and slow. Look at our puny DBs trying to keep up with their huge WRs.
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Look at the D-Line before you crucify the secondary. Doesn't matter if you're rough ridin' Alabama if the QB has time to check his god damn email on his phone before throwing the ball, you're going to get torched.
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Cosh can do as bad as he wants and Snyder still won't fire him. It's unbelievable.
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Our DT's are officially back to sucking, they don't do anything besides glue themselves to blocks. Horrible.
All the talk about them being improved is a joke.
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Our DT's are officially back to sucking, they don't do anything besides glue themselves to blocks. Horrible.
All the talk about them being improved is a joke.
Dax gets it.
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Look at the D-Line before you crucify the secondary. Doesn't matter if you're rough ridin' Alabama if the QB has time to check his god damn email on his phone before throwing the ball, you're going to get torched.
See my above comment about wrapping up and tackling.
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Back to back 500 yard passing games.
Seriously, try to comprehend that.
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It's not going to change until they actually step up to the plate and start recruiting, and they get a new defensive coaching staff.
Part of recruiting is setting aside the hyper conservative ways and accepting the inconvenience of significant facilities improvements, that's one thing that Snyder failed to embrace, and that's ONE reason why K-State struggles on the recruiting trail despite the hodge podge of improvements to Vanier over the last 5 years.
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Look at the D-Line before you crucify the secondary. Doesn't matter if you're rough ridin' Alabama if the QB has time to check his god damn email on his phone before throwing the ball, you're going to get torched.
Our d-line isn't great, but muuuuch better than last year. imho the biggest difference is we can no longer man up w/ corners to bump and run, coupled with our safeties inability to help over the top. Therefore, we sit back in zone and can't bring backers or safeties via a blitz. Our safety play is absolutely atrocious.
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And if the pass defense numbers by themselves aren't atrocious enough, WE DO THIS WHILE OUR OFFENSE HOLDS ONTO THE BALL LONGER THAN ANY OTHER rough ridin' OFFENSE IN THE MOTHER rough ridin' COUNTRY!
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And if the pass defense numbers by themselves aren't atrocious enough, WE DO THIS WHILE OUR OFFENSE HOLDS ONTO THE BALL LONGER THAN ANY OTHER rough ridin' OFFENSE IN THE MOTHER rough ridin' COUNTRY!
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Defense was bad guys. No excuses for the play at the end of the 4th.
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Look at the D-Line before you crucify the secondary. Doesn't matter if you're rough ridin' Alabama if the QB has time to check his god damn email on his phone before throwing the ball, you're going to get torched.
Our d-line isn't great, but muuuuch better than last year. imho the biggest difference is we can no longer man up w/ corners to bump and run, coupled with our safeties inability to help over the top. Therefore, we sit back in zone and can't bring backers or safeties via a blitz. Our safety play is absolutely atrocious.
all this might be true, but its just not working to sit back in zone all day and let these teams with accurate QB's and big WRs eat us alive. i mean, are we really risking much sending some blitzers and forcing more bad throws and perhaps rough up the QB a bit? is our secondary going to get beat any worse if we do this? its at least time to try something different or mix it up more. was really frustrating to watch our 4 down linemen do absolutely nothing all game.
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Look at the D-Line before you crucify the secondary. Doesn't matter if you're rough ridin' Alabama if the QB has time to check his god damn email on his phone before throwing the ball, you're going to get torched.
Our d-line isn't great, but muuuuch better than last year. imho the biggest difference is we can no longer man up w/ corners to bump and run, coupled with our safeties inability to help over the top. Therefore, we sit back in zone and can't bring backers or safeties via a blitz. Our safety play is absolutely atrocious.
all this might be true, but its just not working to sit back in zone all day and let these teams with accurate QB's and big WRs eat us alive. i mean, are we really risking much sending some blitzers and forcing more bad throws and perhaps rough up the QB a bit? is our secondary going to get beat any worse if we do this? its at least time to try something different or mix it up more. was really frustrating to watch our 4 down linemen do absolutely nothing all game.
We played man, or a mix of man and zone, quite a bit tonight. We just couldn't cover OSU no matter what we did.
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Look at the D-Line before you crucify the secondary. Doesn't matter if you're rough ridin' Alabama if the QB has time to check his god damn email on his phone before throwing the ball, you're going to get torched.
Our d-line isn't great, but muuuuch better than last year. imho the biggest difference is we can no longer man up w/ corners to bump and run, coupled with our safeties inability to help over the top. Therefore, we sit back in zone and can't bring backers or safeties via a blitz. Our safety play is absolutely atrocious.
all this might be true, but its just not working to sit back in zone all day and let these teams with accurate QB's and big WRs eat us alive. i mean, are we really risking much sending some blitzers and forcing more bad throws and perhaps rough up the QB a bit? is our secondary going to get beat any worse if we do this? its at least time to try something different or mix it up more. was really frustrating to watch our 4 down linemen do absolutely nothing all game.
I wish, wish, wish we had somebody, anybody that could play corner for Garrett, and let him move back to safety or rover.
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Look at the D-Line before you crucify the secondary. Doesn't matter if you're rough ridin' Alabama if the QB has time to check his god damn email on his phone before throwing the ball, you're going to get torched.
Our d-line isn't great, but muuuuch better than last year. imho the biggest difference is we can no longer man up w/ corners to bump and run, coupled with our safeties inability to help over the top. Therefore, we sit back in zone and can't bring backers or safeties via a blitz. Our safety play is absolutely atrocious.
all this might be true, but its just not working to sit back in zone all day and let these teams with accurate QB's and big WRs eat us alive. i mean, are we really risking much sending some blitzers and forcing more bad throws and perhaps rough up the QB a bit? is our secondary going to get beat any worse if we do this? its at least time to try something different or mix it up more. was really frustrating to watch our 4 down linemen do absolutely nothing all game.
We played man, or a mix of man and zone, quite a bit tonight. We just couldn't cover OSU no matter what we did.
just don't get the whole never blitz thing.
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never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage. we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help. A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.
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never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage. we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help. A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.
Its hard to blitz against teams that spread 4 or 5 wide, this is true. Also difficult when we make a real effort to keep enough in the box to stop the run (which we've done well).
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My only issue with blitzing is that we don't put any pressure the QB when we do it.
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My only issue with blitzing is that we don't put any pressure the QB when we do it.
Which is likely one of the main reasons we don't.
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Might as well just go with 3 down lineman at this point.
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never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage. we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help. A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.
Its hard to blitz against teams that spread 4 or 5 wide, this is true. Also difficult when we make a real effort to keep enough in the box to stop the run (which we've done well).
Is it just overall impossible to stop offenses in today's college football? Seems like teams are putting up 500 yards no matter what unless your stacked with NFL talent like LSU, Bama, OU, etc.
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never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage. we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help. A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.
Its hard to blitz against teams that spread 4 or 5 wide, this is true. Also difficult when we make a real effort to keep enough in the box to stop the run (which we've done well).
Is it just overall impossible to stop offenses in today's college football? Seems like teams are putting up 500 yards no matter what unless your stacked with NFL talent like LSU, Bama, OU, etc.
I think so. Really if you have a decent offense, you'll win 10 games a year if you can hold teams to 400 yards and 30 points a game.
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never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage. we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help. A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.
Its hard to blitz against teams that spread 4 or 5 wide, this is true. Also difficult when we make a real effort to keep enough in the box to stop the run (which we've done well).
Is it just overall impossible to stop offenses in today's college football? Seems like teams are putting up 500 yards no matter what unless your stacked with NFL talent like LSU, Bama, OU, etc.
I think so. Really if you have a decent offense, you'll win 10 games a year if you can hold teams to 400 yards and 30 points a game.
Which is why we should hire the Pirate and Grumpy Stoops. Instant MNC.
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Might as well just go with 3 down lineman at this point.
Or 2. Or 1. Seriously. Landry and eff face old man just stood in one spot and picked us apart.
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never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage. we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help. A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.
Its hard to blitz against teams that spread 4 or 5 wide, this is true. Also difficult when we make a real effort to keep enough in the box to stop the run (which we've done well).
Is it just overall impossible to stop offenses in today's college football? Seems like teams are putting up 500 yards no matter what unless your stacked with NFL talent like LSU, Bama, OU, etc.
I think so. Really if you have a decent offense, you'll win 10 games a year if you can hold teams to 400 yards and 30 points a game.
Which is why we should hire the Pirate and Grumpy Stoops. Instant MNC.
Honestly I'd take our offense over a spread passing offense with a better defense.
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Our offense is great until there's 2 minutes left. Tonight was the exception, you know that. Any offense that isn't viable in the last 2 minutes is not a championship offense.
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how good was Mike Stoops at recruiting? The guy needs a job now after AZ gave him the boot.
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My only issue with blitzing is that we don't put any pressure the QB when we do it.
Which is likely one of the main reasons we don't.
The few times we did blitz tonight, we did disrupt their offense.
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Mike slaps his head at this thread....but also simultaneously reminds you he is homeless.
He's coming back to Oklahoma dude. :excited:
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how good was Mike Stoops at recruiting? The guy needs a job now after AZ gave him the boot.
Can't be any worse than our current state of affairs. And he's got an anger problem, which means he's my kind of guy.
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Mike slaps his head at this thread....but also simultaneously reminds you he is homeless.
He's coming back to Oklahoma dude. :excited:
serious rumblings or pie in the sky?
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Mike slaps his head at this thread....but also simultaneously reminds you he is homeless.
He's coming back to Oklahoma dude. :excited:
serious rumblings or pie in the sky?
Multiple guys have already said the contract is being negotiated. But they've been wrong before.
I really freaking hope it's true.
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My only issue with blitzing is that we don't put any pressure the QB when we do it.
Which is likely one of the main reasons we don't.
The few times we did blitz tonight, we did disrupt their offense.
True, but if you take a less talented team and blitz too much more often than not it will come down to bite you.
Until the last two drives our defense played decent, its just the offense gave up the turnovers and gave OSU the ball inside the 5 yard line twice. Then when the offense gets going and takes back the lead, OSU scores on 2 plays in 29 seconds.
Again, it was a team loss, neither unit made enough plays to win and both made too many mistakes.
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never blitz because it pull the linebackers out of coverage. we can't cover people already, why reduce the number available to help. A bit of a cart/horse argument i know.
Its hard to blitz against teams that spread 4 or 5 wide, this is true. Also difficult when we make a real effort to keep enough in the box to stop the run (which we've done well).
Is it just overall impossible to stop offenses in today's college football? Seems like teams are putting up 500 yards no matter what unless your stacked with NFL talent like LSU, Bama, OU, etc.
I think so. Really if you have a decent offense, you'll win 10 games a year if you can hold teams to 400 yards and 30 points a game.
Which is why we should hire the Pirate and Grumpy Stoops. Instant MNC.
Honestly I'd take our offense over a spread passing offense with a better defense.
I love our offense too much to ever want to trade it in for OU/OSU/Baylors/Tech whoever. (Of course I'm not saying I wouldn't trade some of our caliber of players for theirs, but the offense itself. I love)
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Our offense is pretty sweet when we have a true dual threat at QB. Kinda unstoppable.
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Look at the D-Line before you crucify the secondary. Doesn't matter if you're rough ridin' Alabama if the QB has time to check his god damn email on his phone before throwing the ball, you're going to get torched.
DBs or DL, it is all on Cosh either way. Not that I disagree with your post. Cosh has shown absolutely no desire to try and pressure opposing quarterbacks lately.
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Say what you will about the players not being up to par (that's also at least partially Cosh's fault), but the real problem has to be at least partially due to scheme and play calling. Go back and look at the stats from 2009 when Vic was the actual D Cord. The players were equally shitty, if not worse. The offense wasn't eating up 40 min per game. Yet, the defense still wasn't letting every team in the confy set records (2010 everyone set rushing records on us, 2011 it's passing records).
People seem to think that Cosh is doing what he can with what he's got, but I think he's just bad at his job.
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Well, we know that OBz isn't going to get rid of Cosh no matter what. crap, Cosh'll probably get a raise! :facepalm:
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Say what you will about the players not being up to par (that's also at least partially Cosh's fault), but the real problem has to be at least partially due to scheme and play calling. Go back and look at the stats from 2009 when Vic was the actual D Cord. The players were equally shitty, if not worse. The offense wasn't eating up 40 min per game. Yet, the defense still wasn't letting every team in the confy set records (2010 everyone set rushing records on us, 2011 it's passing records).
People seem to think that Cosh is doing what he can with what he's got, but I think he's just bad at his job.
:thumbs:
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Say what you will about the players not being up to par (that's also at least partially Cosh's fault), but the real problem has to be at least partially due to scheme and play calling. Go back and look at the stats from 2009 when Vic was the actual D Cord. The players were equally shitty, if not worse. The offense wasn't eating up 40 min per game. Yet, the defense still wasn't letting every team in the confy set records (2010 everyone set rushing records on us, 2011 it's passing records).
People seem to think that Cosh is doing what he can with what he's got, but I think he's just bad at his job.
Fair point. But this year's Big 12 offenses (yards (http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/leader/25354/team/offense/split01/category10/sort01.html), points (http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/leader/25354/team/offense/split01/category09/sort01.html)) are much better than in 09 (yards (http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/leader/25354/team/offense/split01/category10/sort01.html), points (http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/leader/25354/team/offense/split01/category09/sort01.html)). The offensive numbers being put up in this league this year are simply ridiculous, but I agree allowing back to back 500 yard passers is pretty bad.
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There is something wrong with the scheme when you get beat in the same mannor again and again
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There is something wrong with the scheme when you get beat in the same mannor again and again
The past two weeks were very bad defensively. How we do against aTm will say a lot.
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There is something wrong with the scheme when you get beat in the same mannor again and again
The past two weeks were very bad defensively. How we do against aTm will say a lot.
Yeah. I'm really hoping aTm is emotionally crushed right now.
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There is something wrong with the scheme when you get beat in the same mannor again and again
The past two weeks were very bad defensively. How we do against aTm will say a lot.
compared to their overall average, we "held" osu to about 100 yards less rushing and then let them have 100+ yards more passing.
A&M is 12th in the nation in passing offense (304ypg), 19th in rushing (216ypg). I see us fairing about the same (though I think A&M will run more on us) as OSU...shutting the run down and letting A&M throw all over us. We also have to account for the QB this game, haven't really had to since MU.
we get destroyed, absolutely, 100% destroyed in the 10/15yd x 10/15yd window between the LB's and Safeties. I mean we just get f'ing bent over and owned. EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. The safeties are either stretched too far outside the hashes (because they aren't fast enough to get over the top of a go route and have to cheat) or the LB's aren't getting the depth they need (because AB is just awful in pass coverage to begin with and they are so focused on stopping the run they bite on most play action).
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I was reflecting on the loss last night and the similiaities to the OU loss. When I look at the wins this year, and we all were so :excited: about them - however NOW looking at the teams we beat - Baylor has fallen off and Tech is in a downward spiral. Miami is just a name these days and the rest of the teams, I feel we should have beat. In looking at the season thus far, I am not sure if we are all that good. Dont get me wrong, I am thrilled to be where we are, but a 0-3 November is a strong possibility if we continue to perform like last night on the defense.
To Dax's point (and it's a damned good one) as long as we dont have quality recruits, get used to this amount of wins and be content with being around 4th place in the league year in and year out. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but that's what we have/will have as long as OBz is here. I'll reserve raising my expectations until after the waters are officially calmed. :blindfold:
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I doubt ATM will quit gouging us over the middle the way OSU seemed to strangely do. Can we count on a LOckett return AND a pick 6 yet again to stay in the game? Doubt it but who knows at home.
Recruting has to change. Or this will be the best year under Snyder.
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The pick 6 by chapman was about the silliest looking running out of a corner I have ever seen. what does he run a 4.7? It just looked really weird and slow.
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We seem to have a lot of issues in the zone coverage transition between our linebackers and safeties. Maybe _FAN could verify this, or is there really anything that can be done about it?
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I was reflecting on the loss last night and the similiaities to the OU loss. When I look at the wins this year, and we all were so :excited: about them - however NOW looking at the teams we beat - Baylor has fallen off and Tech is in a downward spiral. Miami is just a name these days and the rest of the teams, I feel we should have beat. In looking at the season thus far, I am not sure if we are all that good. Dont get me wrong, I am thrilled to be where we are, but a 0-3 November is a strong possibility if we continue to perform like last night on the defense.
To Dax's point (and it's a damned good one) as long as we dont have quality recruits, get used to this amount of wins and be content with being around 4th place in the league year in and year out. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but that's what we have/will have as long as OBz is here. I'll reserve raising my expectations until after the waters are officially calmed. :blindfold:
wow! I. basically made that point on another thread and got crucified in the proces. As long as Snyder is here, so shall his crappy coaches shall be!
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Try.
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I was reflecting on the loss last night and the similiaities to the OU loss. When I look at the wins this year, and we all were so :excited: about them - however NOW looking at the teams we beat - Baylor has fallen off and Tech is in a downward spiral. Miami is just a name these days and the rest of the teams, I feel we should have beat. In looking at the season thus far, I am not sure if we are all that good. Dont get me wrong, I am thrilled to be where we are, but a 0-3 November is a strong possibility if we continue to perform like last night on the defense.
To Dax's point (and it's a damned good one) as long as we dont have quality recruits, get used to this amount of wins and be content with being around 4th place in the league year in and year out. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but that's what we have/will have as long as OBz is here. I'll reserve raising my expectations until after the waters are officially calmed. :blindfold:
wow! I. basically made that point on another thread and got crucified in the proces. As long as Snyder is here, so shall his crappy coaches shall be!
you got crucified because you are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). you can break down any teams schedule and find flaws with their w's.
we are 7-2. period.
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I doubt ATM will quit gouging us over the middle the way OSU seemed to strangely do. Can we count on a LOckett return AND a pick 6 yet again to stay in the game? Doubt it but who knows at home.
Recruting has to change. Or this will be the best year under Snyder.
A&M does a lot of strange/dumb things. Also, their offense started inside our 5 yard line twice.
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we get destroyed, absolutely, 100% destroyed in the 10/15yd x 10/15yd window between the LB's and Safeties. I mean we just get f'ing bent over and owned. EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. The safeties are either stretched too far outside the hashes (because they aren't fast enough to get over the top of a go route and have to cheat) or the LB's aren't getting the depth they need (because AB is just awful in pass coverage to begin with and they are so focused on stopping the run they bite on most play action).
I don't know why teams bother to do anything different. It is really quite pitiful how open the middle of the field is.
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we get destroyed, absolutely, 100% destroyed in the 10/15yd x 10/15yd window between the LB's and Safeties. I mean we just get f'ing bent over and owned. EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. The safeties are either stretched too far outside the hashes (because they aren't fast enough to get over the top of a go route and have to cheat) or the LB's aren't getting the depth they need (because AB is just awful in pass coverage to begin with and they are so focused on stopping the run they bite on most play action).
I don't know why teams bother to do anything different. It is really quite pitiful how open the middle of the field is.
Thats no joke. The whole secondary is just out of sync. I'm just on board the fire Cosh bandwagon now.
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that's our LUKE! :emawkid:
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WARM UP THE BANNER!!!
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Say what you will about the players not being up to par (that's also at least partially Cosh's fault), but the real problem has to be at least partially due to scheme and play calling. Go back and look at the stats from 2009 when Vic was the actual D Cord. The players were equally shitty, if not worse. The offense wasn't eating up 40 min per game. Yet, the defense still wasn't letting every team in the confy set records (2010 everyone set rushing records on us, 2011 it's passing records).
People seem to think that Cosh is doing what he can with what he's got, but I think he's just bad at his job.
Fair point. But this year's Big 12 offenses (yards (http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/leader/25354/team/offense/split01/category10/sort01.html), points (http://www.cfbstats.com/2011/leader/25354/team/offense/split01/category09/sort01.html)) are much better than in 09 (yards (http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/leader/25354/team/offense/split01/category10/sort01.html), points (http://www.cfbstats.com/2009/leader/25354/team/offense/split01/category09/sort01.html)). The offensive numbers being put up in this league this year are simply ridiculous, but I agree allowing back to back 500 yard passers is pretty bad.
We've also given up at least 575 yards in 3 of the last 4 games.
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There is something wrong with the scheme when you get beat in the same mannor again and again
The past two weeks were very bad defensively. How we do against aTm will say a lot.
I agree, but also think our defense matches up better against all three remaining teams than it has the last 2 weeks. Snyder has historically always struggled defending spread offenses that pass the ball quickly. A&M throws it around a lot too, but from what I've seen of them, they are more prone to have 5 and 7 step drops than either OU or OSU does. Our DL aren't good enough to disrupt things against a 3 step drop, and when we blitz, we show blitz way too early and the opposing offense throws it where the blitzer comes from.
With that said, if our DL can't put pressure on Tannahill Saturday, he can torch you pretty good.