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Title: Nope . . .
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 16, 2011, 03:57:28 PM
this team lives to far on the margins to feel good about any game, even the ku game.

Hyper conservative play calling with opportunities to put games away, no break away threat of any kind at the RB position.  Which is sad given the creases and the way our O-Line can fold D-Lines up, a real D1 running back would have had 6 or 7 long TD runs in the last 4 games.   Thus Klein could even be a better weapon than he is in the running game, and play action passing would be even more effective.    Angelo Pease looks like he's running in sand dunes out there. 

While the defense does step up and makes plays, they still have the ability to get absolutely clown suited out there at times with guys diving at ankles, completely out of position and taking horrible pursuit angles. 

Next Saturday could very well decide Turner Gills fate at ku, in the first half against OU Webb put several long passes right on the money that should have been caught, and you have to ask in what game will Chuck Long FINALLY call a good game, the entire game.  IF that happens, ku will be a handful for anybody.   Albeit I will say that OU's red zone play calling was laughable at times last night as well. 
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: yoga-like_abana on October 16, 2011, 04:01:00 PM
stick to bitching about tim weiser.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 16, 2011, 04:12:11 PM
Snyder knows what the tucks want. We'll win by more than OU did.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Pendergast on October 16, 2011, 04:17:43 PM
Nice try, but your heart wasn't in it.  Maybe next time?   :cheers:
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: _33 on October 16, 2011, 04:32:26 PM
Dax is 100% right. We almost lost to EKU. We are capable of losing to anyone.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 16, 2011, 04:51:01 PM
Dax is 100% right. We almost lost to EKU. We are capable of losing to anyone.

anyone else ever get _33 and Dax confused? i do it all the time and it really bothers me.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: ednksu on October 16, 2011, 05:20:29 PM
really hate the no breakaway RB talking point.  Its proven pretty worthless.  He has great game speed and good acceleration.  Yeah he got caught once in the Miami game by a team of freaking race horses, we haven't had that kind of opportunity in conference games to get him that open. 
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: wabash909 on October 16, 2011, 05:33:07 PM
really hate the no breakaway RB talking point.  Its proven pretty worthless.  He has great game speed and good acceleration.  Yeah he got caught once in the Miami game by a team of freaking race horses, we haven't had that kind of opportunity in conference games to get him that open. 

I like Hubert.  He's not an elite back, but he's more than serviceable for this offense much like Lawrence or Hickson were during the DOD.

Tough runner who doesn't fumble.  Got no complaints with his play so far.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 16, 2011, 05:45:47 PM
I like Hubert as well, he does some nice cut back running, he hangs on to the ball.   Just pining for a "home run" threat at RB.

Clearly the take aways have improved, we blow up more plays which is good, but there are moments of deja vu all over again. 

But I am more than happy to ride along with the Scheme Doctor and see what happens.



Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Bookcat on October 16, 2011, 05:46:12 PM
this team lives to far on the margins to feel good about any game, even the ku game.

Hyper conservative play calling with opportunities to put games away, no break away threat of any kind at the RB position.  Which is sad given the creases and the way our O-Line can fold D-Lines up, a real D1 running back would have had 6 or 7 long TD runs in the last 4 games.   Thus Klein could even be a better weapon than he is in the running game, and play action passing would be even more effective.    Angelo Pease looks like he's running in sand dunes out there. 

While the defense does step up and makes plays, they still have the ability to get absolutely clown suited out there at times with guys diving at ankles, completely out of position and taking horrible pursuit angles. 

Next Saturday could very well decide Turner Gills fate at ku, in the first half against OU Webb put several long passes right on the money that should have been caught, and you have to ask in what game will Chuck Long FINALLY call a good game, the entire game.  IF that happens, ku will be a handful for anybody.   Albeit I will say that OU's red zone play calling was laughable at times last night as well. 


we're undefeated. Would you f u k k ing enjoy life for a day. thanks.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: slimz on October 16, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
I would have liked to see us adjust earlier (or at least have planned a bit better) for Tech's emphasis on run defense. However, those 2 or 3 yards runs in the first half turned into 7 or 8 yard runs in the second. And since we were only down by 8 at half, and won the second 21-6, Snyds' strategy paid off. Certainly made great adjustments for that first drive of the second half.

Things that give me hope we won't lay a turd this weekend are: 

1) Snyds' hatred of KU. (But didn't help in 2004).
2) KU decent performance against OU, at least in first half. They clearly "got up" for that game. Easier to take seriously than if they'd gotten completely rolled again.
3) The way we finished the game, not scoring after the two turnovers and then giving up the onsides. Gives Snyds something to harp on that's fresh in their minds.
4) Line moving KU's way so quickly. Still some disrespect card and helps counteract the big opening spread, to the extent it may affect anything.
 
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: wetwillie on October 16, 2011, 07:12:21 PM
Jfc we could win the NC and dax would bitch that we got lucky in a down year.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: fatty fat fat on October 16, 2011, 07:40:34 PM
dax has his eyes on the prize
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Paul Moscow on October 16, 2011, 07:42:30 PM
Jfc we could win the NC and dax would bitch that we got lucky in a down year.

No. Just cause we are 6-0 doesn't mean we don't have any weaknesses.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Cire on October 16, 2011, 08:20:17 PM
We could just as easily be 2-4
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: _33 on October 16, 2011, 08:26:31 PM
We could just as easily be 2-4

Yep. Oh man, KU is going to beat us aren't they? What if they do? I didn't want to care this season. Why are you doing this to me Wildcats?
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Bookcat on October 16, 2011, 10:34:30 PM
We could just as easily be 2-4

You are the master. It's no contest.  :lynchmob:
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: ednksu on October 17, 2011, 03:07:31 AM
rewatching the game.  hubes had a great run at 1:45 in the 3rd and I'm remembering his long run @ Miami where people criticized him for lack of break away, coming after a few grinding runs.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: catzacker on October 17, 2011, 06:09:54 AM
We could just as easily be 2-4

this is a fair statement.  We've won once with any type of comfort (Kent State), every other game wasn't really decided until we lined up in the victory formation with under a minute (or so) remaining in the game.  that doesn't lend itself to thinking that this game will be any different than the previous 5 of 6 games. 
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: 0.42 on October 17, 2011, 06:28:36 AM
I think it's possible that little bro could Super Bowl their way to a tie or maybe touchdown lead at halftime, especially if they gameplan around AB like Tech did. Long can at least put together a decent gameplan for a half or so like dax said. However, Dr. Schemes is going to run circles around Gill and co. in the third quarter so fast it will be embarrassing. KU has made no halftime adjustments whatsoever this year and you can almost predict three scores on our end in the third regardless of whether we're up or not. If I had to put money on a KITN game, it'd be ISTATE0, not this one. Rhoads can at least coach worth a damn.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Bookcat on October 17, 2011, 09:16:20 AM
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especially if they gameplan around AB like Tech did.

I haven't seen Gill coach around any other players.....ever.  I'd be  :sdeek: if they did.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Trim on October 17, 2011, 09:19:19 AM
Coaching around AB wasn't very difficult last week.  Might not be difficult this week either.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: asava on October 17, 2011, 09:29:34 AM
We could just as easily be 2-4

wouldn't it be easier to be 2-4? wouldn't have had to do all that work on defense in the 4th.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: kostakio on October 17, 2011, 09:35:06 AM
The key is going to be how we start the game.  KU seems like they start pretty fast and fade as a game goes along.  We have a tendancy to start slow on offense.  IF we can get an couple of early stops and at least one early score then I think we roll.  If KU scores early then it will probably be a four quarter game or at least a game into the second  half.  

From a matchup point of view it really favors us.  We run the ball and KU is off the charts awful against the run.  Their biggest threat on offense is their running game and we defend the run pretty well.  When you take away KU's run game their offense seems to wilt.    They will have the worst offense and the worst defense we've seen in the last four games.  It will also be the first game in the last 4 where the other team won't have a speed adavantage.   EVerything points in our favor for this game but I'm still nervous for some reason.  
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Andy on October 17, 2011, 03:04:13 PM
We could just as easily be 2-4

this is a fair statement.  We've won once with any type of comfort (Kent State), every other game wasn't really decided until we lined up in the victory formation with under a minute (or so) remaining in the game.  that doesn't lend itself to thinking that this game will be any different than the previous 5 of 6 games. 

is ku much better than kent?
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Andy on October 17, 2011, 03:05:42 PM
I would have liked to see us adjust earlier (or at least have planned a bit better) for Tech's emphasis on run defense. However, those 2 or 3 yards runs in the first half turned into 7 or 8 yard runs in the second. And since we were only down by 8 at half, and won the second 21-6, Snyds' strategy paid off. Certainly made great adjustments for that first drive of the second half.

Things that give me hope we won't lay a turd this weekend are:  

1) Snyds' hatred of KU. (But didn't help in 2004).
2) KU decent performance against OU, at least in first half. They clearly "got up" for that game. Easier to take seriously than if they'd gotten completely rolled again.
3) The way we finished the game, not scoring after the two turnovers and then giving up the onsides. Gives Snyds something to harp on that's fresh in their minds.
4) Line moving KU's way so quickly. Still some disrespect card and helps counteract the big opening spread, to the extent it may affect anything.

still blame dylan.  

our run def is solid, ku can't throw deep, i dont see how they score a whole lot.

34-17 seems about right.  could easily be 50 if we break some long tds/score on def-st.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: AbeFroman on October 17, 2011, 03:07:38 PM
This team does thrive on close games, but sorry, ku is just too poor to be in the game in the 2nd half. Probably scores a TD and a FG in the 1st quarter, but their offense sucks compared to Tech/Baylor/Mizzou. Nigel Malone probably has another couple picks and another pick 6
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: 0.42 on October 17, 2011, 04:10:20 PM
Coaching around AB wasn't very difficult last week.  Might not be difficult this week either.

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Fuktard on October 17, 2011, 04:58:51 PM
I would have liked to see us adjust earlier (or at least have planned a bit better) for Tech's emphasis on run defense. However, those 2 or 3 yards runs in the first half turned into 7 or 8 yard runs in the second. And since we were only down by 8 at half, and won the second 21-6, Snyds' strategy paid off. Certainly made great adjustments for that first drive of the second half.

Things that give me hope we won't lay a turd this weekend are: 

1) Snyds' hatred of KU. (But didn't help in 2004).
2) KU decent performance against OU, at least in first half. They clearly "got up" for that game. Easier to take seriously than if they'd gotten completely rolled again.
3) The way we finished the game, not scoring after the two turnovers and then giving up the onsides. Gives Snyds something to harp on that's fresh in their minds.
4) Line moving KU's way so quickly. Still some disrespect card and helps counteract the big opening spread, to the extent it may affect anything.
 

lost $2500 on that game...Thought this was the lock of the decade...likely would have been had Dylan played that first half.  fuckin one handed, falling down, back of the end zone touchdown catches.   :chainsaw:
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Cire on October 17, 2011, 09:31:31 PM
Trap game
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: BigCat on October 17, 2011, 09:51:10 PM
Trap game

ku finally getting to where they are playing well on both sides of the ball...

ku finally starting to believe in themselves...

ku has better players and athletes at every position...

32-18 squawks, book it
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: Cire on October 18, 2011, 05:55:15 AM
I cant believe we play them away two years in a row
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 18, 2011, 08:08:53 AM
One of the negative things about being somewhat decent at football again, is that the tucks of the world feel all empowered.

The usual tuck suspects on this board now have a litany of partners in tuckdom, which in turn makes for a copious amount of  :facepalm: posts.



Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: bruce on October 18, 2011, 08:28:33 AM
Thought this was going to be a Chuck Testa thread. Would have been much better had it been.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: mocat on October 18, 2011, 08:30:58 AM
I cant believe we play them away two years in a row

KU is the worst team in the conference. Playing them away this year is the best thing imo. Would you rather trade KU for Baylor away? Missouri? OU? A&M?
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: asava on October 18, 2011, 08:55:00 AM
Thought this was going to be a Chuck Testa thread. Would have been much better had it been.

this. perfect.
Title: Re: Nope . . .
Post by: skycat on October 18, 2011, 02:38:52 PM
One of the negative things about being somewhat decent at football again, is that the tucks of the world feel all empowered.

The usual tuck suspects on this board now have a litany of partners in tuckdom, which in turn makes for a copious amount of  :facepalm: posts.

WE MAY NEVER LOSE AGAIN