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Frank Martin says Jamar Samuels has gone from 201 pounds to 233 this offseason. "He actually looks like a Division I athlete out there now."
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Had to double check he really said 233 pounds. That's a huge transformation. Frank Martin says Samuels is playing a lot stronger now
:horrorsurprise: :emawkid:
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roids or big macs?
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I swear, we've heard about Jamar's "big gains" every off season since he got here. Yet, he's still skinny and plays like a pussy down low. I'll be impressed when I see him actually banging in the post.
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I predict a 3% decrease in the "double pump, please don't block my $hit" situation this year.
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jamar doesn't play like a pussy down low, gmafb.
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jamar doesn't play like a pussy down low, gmafb.
:facepalm:
Unless, you were kidding. In which case.. :thumbsup:
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sorry, i didn't catch the sarcasm in your original post.
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sorry, i didn't catch the sarcasm in your original post.
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sorry, i didn't catch the sarcasm in your original post.
Oh, you were serious. You think Jamar doesn't play like a complete pussy down low.
I hope his new 233lb frame proves me wrong.
:bball:
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I think Jamar plays as strong in the paint as anyone K-State has ever had at times, and I think he takes off into Jamarland at other times. I think what Frank is looking for out of Jamar this season is consistency in his work and leadership.
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I think the 201 pounds is more shocking than the 233 pounds. Rule of thumb being 5 pounds per inch of height he would have been the equivalent of a 165 lb 6'0 guy.
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I swear, we've heard about Jamar's "big gains" every off season since he got here. Yet, he's still skinny and plays like a pussy down low. I'll be impressed when I see him actually banging in the post.
I actually think that Jamar plays pretty tough down low. He fights for position down low on the offensive end probably better than any of our bigs. He just doesn't go up strong all the time, which like Dax said can be pretty frustrating.
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that's what I get for not reading what people post while I was typing. I just basically copied what Clams said. :bang:
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that's what I get for not reading what people post while I was typing. I just basically copied what Clams said. :bang:
that's ok Jackstraw, we need to rub it into Belvis's face as much as we can.
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I think Jamar plays as strong in the paint as anyone K-State has ever had at times, and I think he takes off into Jamarland at other times. I think what Frank is looking for out of Jamar this season is consistency in his work and leadership.
The problem is that he is 6'7, at best. Probably closer to 6'5. Skinny as a rail.
Yes, at times, he plays extremely tough. But, the vast majority of the time, the dude is in Jamarland. Frank wants hard work and leadership, but to this point, hasn't gotten it. Jamar commits far more stupid fouls than any other K-State player I've ever seen.
He plays in the paint, but I wouldn't say he's strong. The guy averages about 8ppg, .5 blocks, 5 rebounds. And, on top of that, he averages 4 fouls a game and shoots 65% from the stripe. He's a Senior Power Forward. Those numbers are abysmal.
He needs to be focused and better at basketball.
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Oh, btw, he averaged about 22minutes per game last year. Because he's always in foul trouble. And, Frank hated him all of last year.
But, when he's in the game not scoring or blocking shots or rebounding, I'm glad to know that he's fighting for position.
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I think Jamar boned Belvis Girlfriend! He is adorbes!
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He's good at basketball otherwise he wouldn't average 8ppg, .5 blocks, 5 rebounds; numbers where aren't abysmal by any stretch.
Jamar is an offensive option, he will never be the go-to guy. And I don't agree that he's skinny, he's lean- but he's strong as eff and knows how to use his body in the paint.
You're right on the focus part. This has always has been problem with him.
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Belvis, pls sign my WVU game petition.
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I think Jamar plays as strong in the paint as anyone K-State has ever had at times, and I think he takes off into Jamarland at other times. I think what Frank is looking for out of Jamar this season is consistency in his work and leadership.
The problem is that he is 6'7, at best. Probably closer to 6'5. Skinny as a rail.
Yes, at times, he plays extremely tough. But, the vast majority of the time, the dude is in Jamarland. Frank wants hard work and leadership, but to this point, hasn't gotten it. Jamar commits far more stupid fouls than any other K-State player I've ever seen.
Wrong. He may not be big enough or skilled enough to be what you want him to be but he plays very tough down low. He's as JYC as anyone we have.
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He looked fantastic in that video his buddy made. Just elite.
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Wrong. He may not be big enough or skilled enough to be what you want him to be but he plays very tough down low. He's as JYC as anyone we have.
Jamar is not physically or mentally equipped to be an impact player for this team. That's a fact. He may have improved over the summer. I hope he has. We need him. But, to date, Jamar has been mentally and physically dissapointing.
Per Frank Martin -
“He’s got to become better as a player. He’s flattened out,” Martin said. “He didn’t do a very good job of … Most of our guys improve. As you look at the careers of guys who have been with us, they all get better. Jamar flattened out.”
As a sophomore, Samuels was one of K-State’s most explosive players and was named Big 12 Sixth Man of the Year. He averaged 11 points and 4.9 rebounds and had moments of brilliance, including three double-doubles.
As a junior, his scoring average dropped to 8.5 points and his rebounding average went up to 5.4. Not horrible. But not a step forward, either.
Martin knows what held Samuels back.
“He didn’t do a very good job of improving himself in the weight room and the gym,” Martin said. “He was asked to play a lead role last year. He tried, but he just couldn’t do it. Part of it was that he didn’t properly prepare himself. He needs to have a better summer and weigh more than 205 pounds. It’s hard to succeed in high-major Division I basketball when you weigh 205 pounds.”
Martin hopes he can ask more out of Samuels next season the same way he is McGruder and Spradling, but in order for that to happen Samuels will need to put work in this summer.
That’s his challenge.
“He didn’t do it last year,” Martin said. “I’m not saying that I’m losing faith that he can do it this year, but he needs to show that he is going to be different. He needs to be different in who he is this time of year so he can be better prepared for when next season rolls around.”
Read more: http://blogs.kansas.com/kstated/2011/06/17/frank-martin-challenges-jamar-samuels/#ixzz1agcuxbe1
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He's good at basketball otherwise he wouldn't average 8ppg, .5 blocks, 5 rebounds; numbers where aren't abysmal by any stretch.
Jamar is an offensive option, he will never be the go-to guy. And I don't agree that he's skinny, he's lean- but he's strong as eff and knows how to use his body in the paint.
You're right on the focus part. This has always has been problem with him.
That's good. Now, does anyone that isn't Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) have an opinion?
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He's good at basketball otherwise he wouldn't average 8ppg, .5 blocks, 5 rebounds; numbers where aren't abysmal by any stretch.
Jamar is an offensive option, he will never be the go-to guy. And I don't agree that he's skinny, he's lean- but he's strong as eff and knows how to use his body in the paint.
You're right on the focus part. This has always has been problem with him.
That's good. Now, does anyone that isn't Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) have an opinion?
that's good, are there any hayseeds who don't have a load of Copenhagen in their mouth have an opinion? :lol:
just kidding johnny redneck, you're a great poster. :lol:
no i'm really not. your posting skills make fanning look like an olympic medalist of posting. gold medals for fanning.
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"I’m done depending on him," Martin said. "For three years we’ve been trying to get him to be more consistent, more mature – and he hasn’t done it."
"If he’s right, he’s right," he added. "If not, we’ve got other guys in place."
Dude's got potential. Just needs to get his head out of Jamarland and focus.
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He's good at basketball otherwise he wouldn't average 8ppg, .5 blocks, 5 rebounds; numbers where aren't abysmal by any stretch.
Jamar is an offensive option, he will never be the go-to guy. And I don't agree that he's skinny, he's lean- but he's strong as eff and knows how to use his body in the paint.
You're right on the focus part. This has always has been problem with him.
That's good. Now, does anyone that isn't Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) have an opinion?
that's good, are there any hayseeds who don't have a load of Copenhagen in their mouth have an opinion? :lol:
just kidding johnny redneck, you're a great poster. :lol:
no i'm really not. your posting skills make fanning look like an olympic medalist of posting. gold medals for fanning.
That's it. I'm done with this place.
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another potential olympic gold medalist poster down the drain. shssh.
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He's good at basketball otherwise he wouldn't average 8ppg, .5 blocks, 5 rebounds; numbers where aren't abysmal by any stretch.
Jamar is an offensive option, he will never be the go-to guy. And I don't agree that he's skinny, he's lean- but he's strong as eff and knows how to use his body in the paint.
You're right on the focus part. This has always has been problem with him.
That's good. Now, does anyone that isn't Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) have an opinion?
that's good, are there any hayseeds who don't have a load of Copenhagen in their mouth have an opinion? :lol:
just kidding johnny redneck, you're a great poster. :lol:
no i'm really not. your posting skills make fanning look like an olympic medalist of posting. gold medals for fanning.
That's it. I'm done with this place.
You're the 2nd MOAP'r to quit in the last 20 hours.
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He does look quite a bit bigger. :dunno:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.static.flickr.com%2F6213%2F6241008331_349f48dc64.jpg&hash=9d52fd24d2471bdfbacd80b268c3a095b6da804d)
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He's good at basketball otherwise he wouldn't average 8ppg, .5 blocks, 5 rebounds; numbers where aren't abysmal by any stretch.
Jamar is an offensive option, he will never be the go-to guy. And I don't agree that he's skinny, he's lean- but he's strong as eff and knows how to use his body in the paint.
You're right on the focus part. This has always has been problem with him.
:driving: :emawkid:
That's good. Now, does anyone that isn't Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) have an opinion?
that's good, are there any hayseeds who don't have a load of Copenhagen in their mouth have an opinion? :lol:
just kidding johnny redneck, you're a great poster. :lol:
no i'm really not. your posting skills make fanning look like an olympic medalist of posting. gold medals for fanning.
That's it. I'm done with this place.
:driving: :emawkid:
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I think the 201 pounds is more shocking than the 233 pounds. Rule of thumb being 5 pounds per inch of height he would have been the equivalent of a 165 lb 6'0 guy.
5 pounds per inch?? At 6 foot you would be 360 lbs... Um.. No..
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He's good at basketball otherwise he wouldn't average 8ppg, .5 blocks, 5 rebounds; numbers where aren't abysmal by any stretch.
Jamar is an offensive option, he will never be the go-to guy. And I don't agree that he's skinny, he's lean- but he's strong as eff and knows how to use his body in the paint.
You're right on the focus part. This has always has been problem with him.
That's good. Now, does anyone that isn't Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) have an opinion?
that's good, are there any hayseeds who don't have a load of Copenhagen in their mouth have an opinion? :lol:
just kidding johnny redneck, you're a great poster. :lol:
no i'm really not. your posting skills make fanning look like an olympic medalist of posting. gold medals for fanning.
That's it. I'm done with this place.
You're the 2nd MOAP'r to quit in the last 20 hours.
Who was the first?
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I think the 201 pounds is more shocking than the 233 pounds. Rule of thumb being 5 pounds per inch of height he would have been the equivalent of a 165 lb 6'0 guy.
5 pounds per inch?? At 6 foot you would be 360 lbs... Um.. No..
sorry bud but unless you're 6 foot 360lbs, you're apparently not big enough to play on this team.
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I think the 201 pounds is more shocking than the 233 pounds. Rule of thumb being 5 pounds per inch of height he would have been the equivalent of a 165 lb 6'0 guy.
5 pounds per inch?? At 6 foot you would be 360 lbs... Um.. No..
wetwillie strikes again! :bait:
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I swear, we've heard about Jamar's "big gains" every off season since he got here. Yet, he's still skinny and plays like a pussy down low. I'll be impressed when I see him actually banging in the post.
Wrong. He may not be big enough or skilled enough to be what you want him to be but he plays very tough down low. He's as JYC as anyone we have.
Jamar is not physically or mentally equipped to be an impact player for this team. That's a fact. He may have improved over the summer. I hope he has. We need him. But, to date, Jamar has been mentally and physically dissapointing.
Per Frank Martin -
“He’s got to become better as a player. He’s flattened out,” Martin said. “He didn’t do a very good job of … Most of our guys improve. As you look at the careers of guys who have been with us, they all get better. Jamar flattened out.”
As a sophomore, Samuels was one of K-State’s most explosive players and was named Big 12 Sixth Man of the Year. He averaged 11 points and 4.9 rebounds and had moments of brilliance, including three double-doubles.
As a junior, his scoring average dropped to 8.5 points and his rebounding average went up to 5.4. Not horrible. But not a step forward, either.
Martin knows what held Samuels back.
“He didn’t do a very good job of improving himself in the weight room and the gym,” Martin said. “He was asked to play a lead role last year. He tried, but he just couldn’t do it. Part of it was that he didn’t properly prepare himself. He needs to have a better summer and weigh more than 205 pounds. It’s hard to succeed in high-major Division I basketball when you weigh 205 pounds.”
Martin hopes he can ask more out of Samuels next season the same way he is McGruder and Spradling, but in order for that to happen Samuels will need to put work in this summer.
That’s his challenge.
“He didn’t do it last year,” Martin said. “I’m not saying that I’m losing faith that he can do it this year, but he needs to show that he is going to be different. He needs to be different in who he is this time of year so he can be better prepared for when next season rolls around.”
Read more: http://blogs.kansas.com/kstated/2011/06/17/frank-martin-challenges-jamar-samuels/#ixzz1agcuxbe1
It doesn't sound like Frank was talking about Jamar's "big gains" last year. Quite the contrary, actually.
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He's good at basketball otherwise he wouldn't average 8ppg, .5 blocks, 5 rebounds; numbers where aren't abysmal by any stretch.
Jamar is an offensive option, he will never be the go-to guy. And I don't agree that he's skinny, he's lean- but he's strong as eff and knows how to use his body in the paint.
You're right on the focus part. This has always has been problem with him.
That's good. Now, does anyone that isn't Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) have an opinion?
that's good, are there any hayseeds who don't have a load of Copenhagen in their mouth have an opinion? :lol:
just kidding johnny redneck, you're a great poster. :lol:
no i'm really not. your posting skills make fanning look like an olympic medalist of posting. gold medals for fanning.
That's it. I'm done with this place.
You're the 2nd MOAP'r to quit in the last 20 hours.
Who was the first?
:lol:
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It doesn't sound like Frank was talking about Jamar's "big gains" last year. Quite the contrary, actually.
Never said Frank was the one inflating Jamar's offseason gains. Just said we've been hearing about it since he was a freshman.
Jamar in 2009: “(Because of the redshirt) I got used to the physical contact of the Big 12 and of college basketball, period. I gained an extra 30 pounds, so I’m feeling pretty good now.” Samuels was 6-7, 215-pounds in January of 2009.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=3644308
Jamar in 2010: "This is Scott Greenawalt's shirt, right here," Samuels beamed, pointing to the K-State Powercat Strength inscription. "I won it when I won the strongman competition. Me, winning the strongman competition."
Jamar in 2011: Went from 201-233lbs. He now weighs 15lbs more than he did 2.5 years ago.
If the guy is jacked. Great. I'll believe it when I see it. I've heard in the past that he's a warrior in the weight room. But, then I see him on the court and he looks exactly like he did when he was a freshman.
Like I said. He's got potential. We need him. But, I'm not going to get excited about him until he shows me he's more than a 6th man reserve option.
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http://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1278524
"He doesn't look like a lizard anymore," Martin said of Samuels' new physique. "He actually looks like a Division-I athlete now ? you can tell right away that he's a stronger player. He's not going to get knocked around as much."
"He's made a commitment to making himself better. Now he has to be consistent with that."
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frank would say those things about him regardless of his past performance. that's how he motivates.
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frank would say those things about him regardless of his past performance. that's how he motivates.
True, true. That's why I'll believe it when I see it.
I just liked the lizard comparison. If only I could photoshop...
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He's good at basketball otherwise he wouldn't average 8ppg, .5 blocks, 5 rebounds; numbers where aren't abysmal by any stretch.
Jamar is an offensive option, he will never be the go-to guy. And I don't agree that he's skinny, he's lean- but he's strong as eff and knows how to use his body in the paint.
You're right on the focus part. This has always has been problem with him.
That's good. Now, does anyone that isn't Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) have an opinion?
that's good, are there any hayseeds who don't have a load of Copenhagen in their mouth have an opinion? :lol:
just kidding johnny redneck, you're a great poster. :lol:
no i'm really not. your posting skills make fanning look like an olympic medalist of posting. gold medals for fanning.
That's it. I'm done with this place.
You're the 2nd MOAP'r to quit in the last 20 hours.
Who was the first?
:lol:
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i liken jamar to a gazelle (because of his running style). also reminds me of how kevin lewis would run, way back when.
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i liken jamar to a gazelle (because of his running style). also reminds me of how kevin lewis would run, way back when.
You have nailed Jamar as the creepiest runner in D1 bball.
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He does look quite a bit bigger.
he's rough ridin' huge. i don't think that kind of muscle gain is natural at his age.
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He does look quite a bit bigger.
he's rough ridin' huge. i don't think that kind of muscle gain is natural at his age.
Rumblings he hung out with clams all summer.
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He does look quite a bit bigger.
he's rough ridin' huge. i don't think that kind of muscle gain is natural at his age.
so probably dumb, but did he think he'd drop some weight or stay the same and be some kind of outside specialist dropping bombs and be super fast and then when it became apparent that he couldn't, he finally put the weight (back) on? thoughts?
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so probably dumb, but did he think he'd drop some weight or stay the same and be some kind of outside specialist dropping bombs and be super fast and then when it became apparent that he couldn't, he finally put the weight (back) on? thoughts?
i don't think martin would be calling him an fp, tc if he had lost weight by design. i imagine he was just resistant to taking whatever substances the staff felt he needed to better develop his body.
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He does look quite a bit bigger.
he's rough ridin' huge. i don't think that kind of muscle gain is natural at his age.
roids. they're rough ridin' awesome.
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He does look quite a bit bigger.
he's rough ridin' huge. i don't think that kind of muscle gain is natural at his age.
roids. they're rough ridin' awesome.
I bet his balls are tiny
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He does look quite a bit bigger.
he's rough ridin' huge. i don't think that kind of muscle gain is natural at his age.
roids. they're rough ridin' awesome.
I bet his balls are tiny
who cares? you don't eff bitches with your balls dumbass. :lol:
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He does look quite a bit bigger.
he's rough ridin' huge. i don't think that kind of muscle gain is natural at his age.
Rumblings he hung out with clams all summer.
2 weeks with clams and your own mother won't recognize you. :swolepecs:
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my lats are sore this morning but nothing like my traps. this weekend i really put in work at the gym.
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my lats are sore this morning but nothing like my traps. this weekend i really put in work at the gym.
You should speed up your recovery time.
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Dear Rivals dudes, we appreciate the pub and all, but JFC, learn our player's positions. :shakesfist:
"20. Jamar Samuels (6-7/230, Sr.), Kansas State
Samuels averaged at least 8.0 point and 4.7 rebounds per game in each of his first three seasons. He averaged 8.5 points and 5.4 rebounds last season while making 21 starts. "
http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1286305