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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: RonLongshaft on February 28, 2010, 02:06:11 PM
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Seriously, this is not high school basketball, i don't care if Lou is a Sr and has put in his time if you suck and there is a better option you SIT! Can anybody really sit there and tell me we would be worse off if Wally had been seeing the majority of Lou's mins this year? This goes for CM versus Gruds or Russell as well...
Well all the Wally hype was fun, it will be disappointing watching wally tear it up at NC State or sumfin
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It will be great next year when Colon & Merrieweather are gone and we can actually play McGruder and Wally over them.
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Please, Lou has out played Wally consistently this year. Any other conclusion reeks of LBBIQ. (Not going to argue the McGruder/Energy point though)
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Please, Lou has out played Wally consistently this year. Any other conclusion reeks of LBBIQ. (Not going to argue the McGruder/Energy point though)
You have not watched much KSU basketball if you believe this! And making a threat of LBBIQ doesn't make you right!
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Please, Lou has out played Wally consistently this year. Any other conclusion reeks of LBBIQ. (Not going to argue the McGruder/Energy point though)
You have not watched much KSU basketball if you believe this! And making a threat of LBBIQ doesn't make you right!
Please visit KenPom and get back to me. Colon has a higher eFG% and much lower fouls per 40min. Wally takes himself out of games that he is playing well in because he gets into foul trouble. Everyone can dog Lou all they want but he shoots higher from the field than Wally. Lou just looks extremely awkward doing anything, but that doesnt mean its entirely ineffective.
I'm sorry Lou isn't sexy enough for you but he has been quite a bit better than Wally this year (I'm disappointed in this).
!!! <I had to out exclamation point you, FTW!
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The frosh development is a fair point (look for it on the podcast with _FAN) but the evidence is wait and see until next season. My worry? That we have no resume going in to conference play because Frank didn't sort out the frosh rotation and build enough confidence for replacing 30 minutes in the backcourt. Who the hell knows? Anyone that expected this much out of JamSam and for Dom and C-Kel to be consistent after watching every game this season (and last) is mis-remembering. IMO, Frank has so far proved himself more than capable in player development.
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much better for the long run, seriously
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Please, Lou has out played Wally consistently this year. Any other conclusion reeks of LBBIQ. (Not going to argue the McGruder/Energy point though)
You have not watched much KSU basketball if you believe this! And making a threat of LBBIQ doesn't make you right!
Please visit KenPom and get back to me. Colon has a higher eFG% and much lower fouls per 40min. Wally takes himself out of games that he is playing well in because he gets into foul trouble. Everyone can dog Lou all they want but he shoots higher from the field than Wally. Lou just looks extremely awkward doing anything, but that doesnt mean its entirely ineffective.
I'm sorry Lou isn't sexy enough for you but he has been quite a bit better than Wally this year (I'm disappointed in this).
!!! <I had to out exclamation point you, FTW!
Stats don't always tell the story for Lou's mistakes. Also, if judge could stay in the way Lou does after he makes mistakes then maybe he could develop more.
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Please, Lou has out played Wally consistently this year. Any other conclusion reeks of LBBIQ. (Not going to argue the McGruder/Energy point though)
You have not watched much KSU basketball if you believe this! And making a threat of LBBIQ doesn't make you right!
Please visit KenPom and get back to me. Colon has a higher eFG% and much lower fouls per 40min. Wally takes himself out of games that he is playing well in because he gets into foul trouble. Everyone can dog Lou all they want but he shoots higher from the field than Wally. Lou just looks extremely awkward doing anything, but that doesnt mean its entirely ineffective.
I'm sorry Lou isn't sexy enough for you but he has been quite a bit better than Wally this year (I'm disappointed in this).
!!! <I had to out exclamation point you, FTW!
Stats don't always tell the story for Lou's mistakes. Also, if judge could stay in the way Lou does after he makes mistakes then maybe he could develop more.
There is a pretty good stat for that, its called TOrate. Wally's is higher.
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much better for the long run, seriously
are you serious? having a incapable Sr take up mins that a Fr that is just as incable could be using to gain real time conference game experience you cant duplicate in anyway. Plus it does not look good for possible 'cruits seeing a burger boy riding the pine with no PT.
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Wally has had ample opportunity to beat Lou and earn Frank's trust.
That said, Judge will be fine. And the "time on the court to develop" point is way over used. I fully expect him to at least in part take over Jam-Sam's role off the bench next year and Lou's 14 mpg are up for grabs. If he doesn't, then ridiculoud freak out posts like this one will be warranted.
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I don't know why people worry about players that never play possibly transferring.
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I don't know why people worry about players that never play possibly transferring.
im not worried about it, it wouldn't shock me if he did but would surprise me. Actually it would shock me, i trust frank has it under control it is just very frustrating with all the hype and talent possibilities that can be seen in Wally he isn't playing and lou is.
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it will be disappointing watching wally tear it up at NC State or sumfin
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^pretty sure this is worrying.
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24-4, about to tie the school record for wins and folks worry about things that are irrelevant to the here and now. Kinda "phog"-ish really.
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24-4, about to tie the school record for wins and folks worry about things that are irrelevant to the here and now. Kinda "phog"-ish really.
my bad I guess we should just sit around and pat each other on the back. Don't get me wrong I'm enjoying the crap out of the success this year and soaking up every win. BUT we are 2 games away and 10 days from tourney time, your only as strong as your weakest link and i don't know about you but I would like to be as strong as possible and to make it deep this year and do some AMAZING things.. and if having wally play more significant mins over Lou earlier in the year than it should have been done.
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24-4, about to tie the school record for wins and folks worry about things that are irrelevant to the here and now. Kinda "phog"-ish really.
my bad I guess we should just sit around and pat each other on the back. Don't get me wrong I'm enjoying the crap out of the success this year and soaking up every win. BUT we are 2 games away and 10 days from tourney time, your only as strong as your weakest link and i don't know about you but I would like to be as strong as possible and to make it deep this year and do some AMAZING things.. and if having wally play more significant mins over Lou earlier in the year than it should have been done.
If we're only as strong as our weakest link, we need Vic Ojejlaele to get more minutes
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24-4, about to tie the school record for wins and folks worry about things that are irrelevant to the here and now. Kinda "phog"-ish really.
my bad I guess we should just sit around and pat each other on the back. Don't get me wrong I'm enjoying the crap out of the success this year and soaking up every win. BUT we are 2 games away and 10 days from tourney time, your only as strong as your weakest link and i don't know about you but I would like to be as strong as possible and to make it deep this year and do some AMAZING things.. and if having wally play more significant mins over Lou earlier in the year than it should have been done.
If we're only as strong as our weakest link, we need Vic Ojejlaele to get more minutes
you douche, im saying colon is our weakest link out of the 8 or so that play, so strengthening that "link" would be a good idea
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Sorry about that previous post. Not only was it wrong thread and wrong forum, it was worng board.
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GFOD DAMMIT!111 Goal Canada!
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I was listening to Frank the other day on 810, and he was talking about K-State's success this season. One thing he mentioned was that K-State had "two grown men" in Colon and Clemente. He noted that guys like Pullen and Sutton have essentially been three-year starters, and Curtis Kelly is a 4th year transfer. K-State is an experienced team. People don't realize how important that is in college basketball. Sure, Wally Judge is the guy with all the talent, but if he's constantly out of position on defense, that's only going to hurt the team.
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I was listening to Frank the other day on 810, and he was talking about K-State's success this season. One thing he mentioned was that K-State had "two grown men" in Colon and Clemente. He noted that guys like Pullen and Sutton have essentially been three-year starters, and Curtis Kelly is a 4th year transfer. K-State is an experienced team. People don't realize how important that is in college basketball. Sure, Wally Judge is the guy with all the talent, but if he's constantly out of position on defense, that's only going to hurt the team.
Hey, asshat, we don't want opinions from a guy who's team is on a losing streak.
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24-4, about to tie the school record for wins and folks worry about things that are irrelevant to the here and now. Kinda "phog"-ish really.
my bad I guess we should just sit around and pat each other on the back. Don't get me wrong I'm enjoying the crap out of the success this year and soaking up every win. BUT we are 2 games away and 10 days from tourney time, your only as strong as your weakest link and i don't know about you but I would like to be as strong as possible and to make it deep this year and do some AMAZING things.. and if having wally play more significant mins over Lou earlier in the year than it should have been done.
If we're only as strong as our weakest link, we need Vic Ojejlaele to get more minutes
you douche, im saying colon is our weakest link out of the 8 or so that play, so strengthening that "link" would be a good idea
Don't get me wrong, I want to have Wally improve, its just tough to find him minutes in close games and tough to keep him on the court when he gets stupid fouls constantly.
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I was listening to Frank the other day on 810, and he was talking about K-State's success this season. One thing he mentioned was that K-State had "two grown men" in Colon and Clemente. He noted that guys like Pullen and Sutton have essentially been three-year starters, and Curtis Kelly is a 4th year transfer. K-State is an experienced team. People don't realize how important that is in college basketball. Sure, Wally Judge is the guy with all the talent, but if he's constantly out of position on defense, that's only going to hurt the team.
Hey, asshat, we don't want opinions from a guy who's team is on a losing streak.
nice post Ben. and true.
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24-4, about to tie the school record for wins and folks worry about things that are irrelevant to the here and now. Kinda "phog"-ish really.
my bad I guess we should just sit around and pat each other on the back. Don't get me wrong I'm enjoying the crap out of the success this year and soaking up every win. BUT we are 2 games away and 10 days from tourney time, your only as strong as your weakest link and i don't know about you but I would like to be as strong as possible and to make it deep this year and do some AMAZING things.. and if having wally play more significant mins over Lou earlier in the year than it should have been done.
You're assuming that we would be in the same position we are in right now w/o Lou. And that playing Wally in spite of his lack of experience and poor preparation wouldn't have cost us even a single victory in Big XII play. What you're saying is that Frank should be sacrificing opportunities to win ball games in order to get freshman more minutes/experience so that we are better prepared for tournament play.Sorry, but that's what the non-con is for and that's precisely what happened.
I would rather play for a win in every game with the goal of winning the Big XII regular season title - which comes with a bye in the Big XII tournament as reward. Next, you set the goal of winning every game you play in the Big XII tournament because that comes with the reward of an automatic bid to the NCAA Tournament. After that, you try to win every game you play in the NCAA Tournament. If you can do that, the rewards are vast.
The moral of this story: Frank Martin believes that Luis Colon, not Wally Judge, gives us a better chance at winning every game we play. At 24-4 and ranked 6th in the nation, I believe Frank. I also believe that as soon as Frank thinks Wally (or any other player) gives us a better chance to win, they will be utilized. We saw this with Henriquez-Roberts in the MU game on Saturday. I'm glad Frank wants to win every game.
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I was listening to Frank the other day on 810, and he was talking about K-State's success this season. One thing he mentioned was that K-State had "two grown men" in Colon and Clemente. He noted that guys like Pullen and Sutton have essentially been three-year starters, and Curtis Kelly is a 4th year transfer. K-State is an experienced team. People don't realize how important that is in college basketball. Sure, Wally Judge is the guy with all the talent, but if he's constantly out of position on defense, that's only going to hurt the team.
This is true. And I think Wally's mistakes hurts us more than his raw talent helps. I know they hurt us more than LuCo's mistakes. Lu' has the ability to shake off a mistake quickly (again... experience) and often times even quickly make up for a mistake on an ensuing possession. I can think of a more than a few times where he will put up an ill advised shot or make a bad pass, and within 1 or 2 possessions he's taken a charge or blocked a shot.
Also, despite the perception outlined in this thread, we still have four freshman averaging 10+ minutes per game for the season. That's actually some pretty solid experience being racked up.
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does it matter w/ Wally? more than likely he'd foul out in under 5 minutes.
but who knows? he might get a shot against KU considering his lack of fouling against them in the first game. :crossfingers:
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Don't get me wrong, I want to have Wally improve, its just tough to find him minutes in close games and tough to keep him on the court when he gets stupid fouls constantly.
Just like Colon. In close games down the stretch, this team simply can't afford to have Luis on the floor. And Frank would agree.
See OU, Tech, MU, and probably KU. Colon plays solid minutes in the first half. We suck. And in the second half, the guy is nowhere to be found. And we're good.
Wally is tough to defend. The guy plays attrocious defense and shoots with zero confidence. It is painfully obvious that he's not ready yet. But his fundamentals and mechanics are undeniable. The guy has skills. For the meantime, though, it looks like JHR has actually emerged as the only legitimate answer to keeping Colon off the floor.
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Pretty clear to me Frank must be giving all our bad players more minutes than our good players intentionally. Probably setting up some sort of exit strategy to leave for the Miami job. :ohno:
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Sometimes, the simplest explanation is the best. Judge sucks.
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24-4, about to tie the school record for wins and folks worry about things that are irrelevant to the here and now. Kinda "phog"-ish really.
my bad I guess we should just sit around and pat each other on the back. Don't get me wrong I'm enjoying the crap out of the success this year and soaking up every win. BUT we are 2 games away and 10 days from tourney time, your only as strong as your weakest link and i don't know about you but I would like to be as strong as possible and to make it deep this year and do some AMAZING things.. and if having wally play more significant mins over Lou earlier in the year than it should have been done.
You're assuming that we would be in the same position we are in right now w/o Lou. And that playing Wally in spite of his lack of experience and poor preparation wouldn't have cost us even a single victory in Big XII play. What you're saying is that Frank should be sacrificing opportunities to win ball games in order to get freshman more minutes/experience so that we are better prepared for tournament play.Sorry, but that's what the non-con is for and that's precisely what happened.
I would rather play for a win in every game with the goal of winning the Big XII regular season title - which comes with a bye in the Big XII tournament as reward. Next, you set the goal of winning every game you play in the Big XII tournament because that comes with the reward of an automatic bid to the NCAA Tournament. After that, you try to win every game you play in the NCAA Tournament. If you can do that, the rewards are vast.
The moral of this story: Frank Martin believes that Luis Colon, not Wally Judge, gives us a better chance at winning every game we play. At 24-4 and ranked 6th in the nation, I believe Frank. I also believe that as soon as Frank thinks Wally (or any other player) gives us a better chance to win, they will be utilized. We saw this with Henriquez-Roberts in the MU game on Saturday. I'm glad Frank wants to win every game.
that is not at all what I am saying, I don't understand when you are up by double digits late in the game against, TT, OU, MU etc that wally doesn't see the floor until under a min or so to play, a couple 2-3 min spurts here and there would help the kid alot and would/could help down the road in big12 tourney or NCAA tourney play when players are tired from playing more games in less days and foul trouble or an injury might occur. Honestly I DO NOT think Wally would have cost us a game this year if he got more PT my thats just IMO
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:RLSclearinghisthroat:
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qft.
lol@the goEMAW tards.
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Really? Gonna bring this one back? Off one half of basketball and not a whole seasons worth of stats that say otherwise. :jerk:
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That was a good and 1 that wally gave whatever 'Tard Morris that was from not blocking out.
In all seriousness though, Wally is doing better than Lu could this game. I am happy about this. This has still been far from the case this whole season.
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Lou has played poorly and Wally stepped up. Hope Wally keeps playing well, except for a couple times on the boards.
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That was a good and 1 that wally gave whatever 'Tard Morris that was from not blocking out.
In all seriousness though, Wally is doing better than Lu could this game. I am happy about this. This has still been far from the case this whole season.
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serious???
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:RLSclearinghisthroat:
That was a good and 1 that wally gave whatever 'Tard Morris that was from not blocking out.
In all seriousness though, Wally is doing better than Lu could this game. I am happy about this. This has still been far from the case this whole season.
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serious???
it's no use RLS, they don't understand
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That was a good and 1 that wally gave whatever 'Tard Morris that was from not blocking out.
In all seriousness though, Wally is doing better than Lu could this game. I am happy about this. This has still been far from the case this whole season.
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serious???
I don't know what part you're emphasizing when you bold the whole fracking thing. Yes, Lou has had a better season. Just about every stat confirms this, the man just looks awkward on the court. And yes, Wally's best game is going to be better than Lou's best, adn thats what we are seeing tonight. So I am happy for that. Wally has about a million times the potential of Lou.
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And Lou starts the 2nd half with a big putback and draws a charge...
Still, we'll need minutes from Wally later...