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Title: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: The Manhatter on October 04, 2011, 03:38:36 PM
top regular season BCS conference game winning streak is 13 games by Oregon.  Think about how much they are dominating the Pac-12.

Snyder won 21 straight regular season conference games between '97 and '99.  That is nearly another full year of conference games for Oregon to match that.

Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: _33 on October 04, 2011, 03:47:12 PM
So we were good a million years ago and Oregon is good now. Suck it Oregon!
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 04, 2011, 03:48:26 PM
The BigXII sucked as bad in the late 90s as the PacXII sucks now.
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: The Manhatter on October 04, 2011, 03:50:34 PM
The BigXII sucked as bad in the late 90s as the PacXII sucks now.

sorry but that is painfully idiotic.  Was the conference that great then?  No, but it was a BCS conference and regardless of whether it was extremely strong or a little off it's harder than hell to walk through any BCS conference at any time with that kind of a streak.

Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 04, 2011, 03:53:29 PM
The BigXII sucked as bad in the late 90s as the PacXII sucks now.

That's just not true. Nebraska and Colorado were much better than any team in the Pac 12 that Oregon has to face. We only beat Nebraska once in that stretch, though.
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 04, 2011, 03:54:48 PM
The BigXII sucked as bad in the late 90s as the PacXII sucks now.

sorry but that is painfully idiotic.  Was the conference that great then?  No, but it was a BCS conference and regardless of whether it was extremely strong or a little off it's harder than hell to walk through any BCS conference at any time with that kind of a streak.



It is about as hard for Oregon as it was for KSU in the late 90s.  How is that idiotic?

We just beat the 15th ranked team and have 3 more top ten teams on our schedule this year.  How many does Oregon play this year?  How many top 10 teams did we beat in 97-99?  One?
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: OregonSmock on October 04, 2011, 03:56:56 PM
top regular season BCS conference game winning streak is 13 games by Oregon.  Think about how much they are dominating the Pac-12.

Snyder won 21 straight regular season conference games between '97 and '99.  That is nearly another full year of conference games for Oregon to match that.




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Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: ednksu on October 04, 2011, 04:20:49 PM
The BigXII sucked as bad in the late 90s as the PacXII sucks now.

wow.....just wow...... :facepalm:
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2011, 04:23:22 PM
Why is this so hard for so many?

1996-2003 Big 12 North:  Multiple Conference Titles, A national title, played for another national title, multiple Big 12 North teams in the final polls.

2004-Present Big 12 North:  Zero Conference Titles, Zero National Titles.

Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 04, 2011, 04:24:07 PM
The BigXII sucked as bad in the late 90s as the PacXII sucks now.

That's just not true. Nebraska and Colorado were much better than any team in the Pac 12 that Oregon has to face. We only beat Nebraska once in that stretch, though.

The 21 game "regular" season conference win streak was conveniently bookended by our 1997 conference opener against Nebraska and our 2nd to last conference game in 1999 against...Nebraska.  In the middle, we beat Nebraska one time and we knocked off Colorado teams that finished.5-6, 8-4, and 7-5.
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 04, 2011, 04:26:29 PM

1996-2003 Big 12 North:  Multiple Conference Titles, A national title, played for another national title, multiple Big 12 North teams in the final polls.


I agree.  The Big 12 south sucked.  That was my point.
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: OregonSmock on October 04, 2011, 04:29:17 PM
Why is this so hard for so many?

1996-2003 Big 12 North:  Multiple Conference Titles, A national title, played for another national title, multiple Big 12 North teams in the final polls.

2004-Present Big 12 North:  Zero Conference Titles, Zero National Titles.





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Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 04, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
top regular season BCS conference game winning streak is 13 games by Oregon.  Think about how much they are dominating the Pac-12.

Snyder won 21 straight regular season conference games between '97 and '99.  That is nearly another full year of conference games for Oregon to match that.




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Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: bigwillie20 on October 04, 2011, 04:30:50 PM
Why is this so hard for so many?

1996-2003 Big 12 North:  Multiple Conference Titles, A national title, played for another national title, multiple Big 12 North teams in the final polls.

2004-Present Big 12 North:  Zero Conference Titles, Zero National Titles.





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Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Bookcat on October 04, 2011, 04:32:56 PM
The BigXII sucked as bad in the late 90s as the PacXII sucks now.
+1
Iowas State, KU, Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State...

probalby some of the weakest years in their history are from '97 and '99. Seems like it.  :dunno:
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2011, 04:35:31 PM
Yeah, OU sucked in 2000 . . . Texas 50-15 between 1999-2003.   You guys =  :facepalm:   How many times do we have to go through the Big 12 North during that time period before you finally get it?  

Why is this so hard for so many?

1996-2003 Big 12 North:  Multiple Conference Titles, A national title, played for another national title, multiple Big 12 North teams in the final polls.

2004-Present Big 12 North:  Zero Conference Titles, Zero National Titles.





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Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: OregonSmock on October 04, 2011, 05:00:10 PM
Yeah, OU sucked in 2000 . . . Texas 50-15 between 1999-2003.   You guys =  :facepalm:   How many times do we have to go through the Big 12 North during that time period before you finally get it?  

Why is this so hard for so many?

1996-2003 Big 12 North:  Multiple Conference Titles, A national title, played for another national title, multiple Big 12 North teams in the final polls.

2004-Present Big 12 North:  Zero Conference Titles, Zero National Titles.





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Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 04, 2011, 05:01:21 PM
Yeah, OU sucked in 2000 . . . Texas 50-15 between 1999-2003.   You guys =  :facepalm:   How many times do we have to go through the Big 12 North during that time period before you finally get it?  


And OU beat us twice in 2000 and again in 2001.  We lost 2 of 3 to Texas between 1999-2003.  What's your point?
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2011, 05:13:27 PM
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The BigXII sucked as bad in the late 90s as the PacXII sucks now.

USA Today Final Poll (North in Bold):

1996-#6 Nebraska, #8 Colorado, #17 K-State, #23 Texas

1997-#1 Nebraska, #7 K-State, #21 Texas A&M, #23 Missouri, #24 Oklahoma State

1998-#9 K-State, #13 Texas A&M, #16 Texas, #20 Nebraska, #25 Missouri

1999-#2 Nebraska, #6 K-State, #20 Texas A&M, #23 Texas

2000-#1 OU, #7 Nebraska, #8 K-State, #12 Texas, #23 Iowa State

2001-#5 Texas, #6 OU, #7 Nebraska, #9 Colorado,
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 04, 2011, 05:23:42 PM
USA Today Final Poll (Teams that KSU beat in Bold):

1996-#6 Nebraska, #8 Colorado, #17 K-State, #23 Texas

1997-#1 Nebraska, #7 K-State, #21 Texas A&M, #23 Missouri, #24 Oklahoma State

1998-#9 K-State, #13 Texas A&M, #16 Texas, #20 Nebraska, #25 Missouri

1999-#2 Nebraska, #6 K-State, #20 Texas A&M, #23 Texas

2000-#1 OU, #7 Nebraska, #8 K-State, #12 Texas, #23 Iowa State

2001-#5 Texas, #6 OU, #7 Nebraska, #9 Colorado,
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Deez Nutz on October 04, 2011, 05:25:34 PM
USA Today Final Poll (Teams that KSU beat in Bold):

1996-#6 Nebraska, #8 Colorado, #17 K-State, #23 Texas

1997-#1 Nebraska, #7 K-State, #21 Texas A&M, #23 Missouri, #24 Oklahoma State

1998-#9 K-State, #13 Texas A&M, #16 Texas, #20 Nebraska, #25 Missouri

1999-#2 Nebraska, #6 K-State, #20 Texas A&M, #23 Texas

2000-#1 OU, #7 Nebraska, #8 K-State, #12 Texas, #23 Iowa State

2001-#5 Texas, #6 OU, #7 Nebraska, #9 Colorado,

I know for a fact we kicked the crap out of Texas and Ricky Williams in 1998.
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 04, 2011, 05:30:05 PM
USA Today Final Poll (Teams that KSU beat in Bold):

1996-#6 Nebraska, #8 Colorado, #17 K-State, #23 Texas

1997-#1 Nebraska, #7 K-State, #21 Texas A&M, #23 Missouri, #24 Oklahoma State

1998-#9 K-State, #13 Texas A&M, #16 Texas, #20 Nebraska, #25 Missouri

1999-#2 Nebraska, #6 K-State, #20 Texas A&M, #23 Texas

2000-#1 OU, #7 Nebraska, #8 K-State, #12 Texas, #23 Iowa State

2001-#5 Texas, #6 OU, #7 Nebraska, #9 Colorado,

I know for a fact we kicked the crap out of Texas and Ricky Williams in 1998.

Sorry,  missed one.
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 04, 2011, 05:31:52 PM
Thanks for confirming that the Big 12 was actually pretty dam good in the late 90's Ira.

Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 04, 2011, 07:38:06 PM
Thanks for confirming that the Big 12 was actually pretty dam good in the late 90's Ira.



Yeah.  The Big XII was dam good.  We won 21 regular season conference games in a row and the highest ranked team we faced was 16th.

Would kill a hobo for that type of schedule now.
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: fatty fat fat on October 04, 2011, 07:41:03 PM
Thanks for confirming that the Big 12 was actually pretty dam good in the late 90's Ira.



Yeah.  The Big XII was dam good.  We won 21 regular season conference games in a row and the highest ranked team we faced was 16th.

Would kill a hobo for that type of schedule now.


eat sh*t
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: the KHAN! on October 04, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
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Would kill a hobo for that type of schedule now.
You really have no idea how easy it would be for me to set this crap up for you.
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 04, 2011, 07:48:21 PM
Thanks for confirming that the Big 12 was actually pretty dam good in the late 90's Ira.



Yeah.  The Big XII was dam good.  We won 21 regular season conference games in a row and the highest ranked team we faced was 16th.

Would kill a hobo for that type of schedule now.


eat sh*t

Face the facts instead of throwing insults.  When we get stomped by OU and OSU in a few weeks and people start ripping on this team , Cosh, Snyder etc., they need to understand that those teams in the late '90s didn't face anything like this.  Not even close.

I only started this argument for the benefit of the team we have right now.  
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Deez Nutz on October 04, 2011, 07:54:41 PM
Thanks for confirming that the Big 12 was actually pretty dam good in the late 90's Ira.



Yeah.  The Big XII was dam good.  We won 21 regular season conference games in a row and the highest ranked team we faced was 16th.

Would kill a hobo for that type of schedule now.


You are wrong again.

Texas A&M was ranked 14th when we beat them in 97.
Colorado was ranked 14th when we beat them in 98.
Nebraska was ranked 11th when we beat them in 98.
Texas was ranked 15th when we beat them in 99.

So there are four games in that stretch that were higher than 16th, dumbass.
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Ira Hayes on October 04, 2011, 08:32:24 PM
Thanks for confirming that the Big 12 was actually pretty dam good in the late 90's Ira.



Yeah.  The Big XII was dam good.  We won 21 regular season conference games in a row and the highest ranked team we faced was 16th.

Would kill a hobo for that type of schedule now.


You are wrong again.

Texas A&M was ranked 14th when we beat them in 97.
Colorado was ranked 14th when we beat them in 98.
Nebraska was ranked 11th when we beat them in 98.
Texas was ranked 15th when we beat them in 99.

So there are four games in that stretch that were higher than 16th, dumbass.


Dax set the standard as end of the year AP poll.  I'm playing with his rules. 

But as you point out, none of those teams were top 10 even when we played them.  We will soon face 3 teams that are currently in the top 10.  As well as a fourth team (A&M) that spent time in the top 10 this season.
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: jmlynch1 on October 04, 2011, 09:00:01 PM
Thanks for confirming that the Big 12 was actually pretty dam good in the late 90's Ira.



Yeah.  The Big XII was dam good.  We won 21 regular season conference games in a row and the highest ranked team we faced was 16th.

Would kill a hobo for that type of schedule now.


You are wrong again.

Texas A&M was ranked 14th when we beat them in 97.
Colorado was ranked 14th when we beat them in 98.
Nebraska was ranked 11th when we beat them in 98.
Texas was ranked 15th when we beat them in 99.

So there are four games in that stretch that were higher than 16th, dumbass.


Dax set the standard as end of the year AP poll.  I'm playing with his rules. 

But as you point out, none of those teams were top 10 even when we played them.  We will soon face 3 teams that are currently in the top 10.  As well as a fourth team (A&M) that spent time in the top 10 this season.
Is this year an outlier? I have a super poor memory.
Title: Re: an example of scheme doctor's greatness in relative terms of the now...
Post by: Deez Nutz on October 04, 2011, 09:08:23 PM
Thanks for confirming that the Big 12 was actually pretty dam good in the late 90's Ira.



Yeah.  The Big XII was dam good.  We won 21 regular season conference games in a row and the highest ranked team we faced was 16th.

Would kill a hobo for that type of schedule now.


You are wrong again.

Texas A&M was ranked 14th when we beat them in 97.
Colorado was ranked 14th when we beat them in 98.
Nebraska was ranked 11th when we beat them in 98.
Texas was ranked 15th when we beat them in 99.

So there are four games in that stretch that were higher than 16th, dumbass.


Dax set the standard as end of the year AP poll.  I'm playing with his rules. 

But as you point out, none of those teams were top 10 even when we played them.  We will soon face 3 teams that are currently in the top 10.  As well as a fourth team (A&M) that spent time in the top 10 this season.

How is our upcoming schedule relevant to the debate?  You started out saying that the Big 12 sucked as bad in the late 90's as the Pac 12 sucks now.  Well as Dax pointed out, the Big 12 finished with 5 ranked teams at the end of 1997 and 1998.  Then four ranked at the end of 1999.  Compare that with the current Pac 12.  Last year they finished the season with only 2 ranked teams and right now have three.  Those stats prove you wrong.  The Big 12 did not suck in those years, despite the fact it is even stronger now.