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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: fatty fat fat on October 04, 2011, 09:27:27 AM
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very deflating. :frown:
Amazing how we still won after those plays.
We are KSTATE! The heart of champions!
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Ya, I thought that was "it."
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it was over. had to be. especially since it was already over when CK threw the pick.
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combination of "wow...that was 1 helluva play, wish we could do that crap" and "rough ridin' hartman :facepalm:"
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Their receivers are pretty amazing, in contrast, our DBs are amazingly slow and or inept.
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Their receivers are pretty amazing, in contrast, our DBs Hartman is amazingly slow and or inept.
Was it just me or was he personally responsible for 3 TD's??
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nobody in america could have defended that pass/catch
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Their receivers are pretty amazing, in contrast, our DBs Hartman is amazingly slow and or inept.
Was it just me or was he personally responsible for 3 TD's??
I think only one of the touchdowns was completely his fault. It was horrible, though.
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nobody in america could have defended that pass/catch
Griffin might not have thrown that pass if Hartman hadn't been burned so badly, though.
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nobody in america could have defended that pass/catch
Griffin might not have thrown that pass if Hartman hadn't been burned so badly, though.
I like to go off on 2 Y's as much as anyone else but I think that play was more of a "eff it kendall just run a 9 and I'll throw it up, go get it"
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nobody in america could have defended that pass/catch
Griffin might not have thrown that pass if Hartman hadn't been burned so badly, though.
I like to go off on 2 Y's as much as anyone else but I think that play was more of a "eff it kendall just run a 9 and I'll throw it up, go get it"
It was an amazing catch, but I'm pretty sure that was the play he bit hard on taking multiple hard steps forward with no chance of recovery and there was no help over the top (almost looked like he was playing a zone under).
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I thought, "well I hope we keep it close. I'd hate for us to get boat-raced here." If Baylor would've stretched out the lead to 20 or so points, that would've killed me.
After the missed field goal I thought "You know, if we can just get a score here...."
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Also said to my buddy after the missed FG, If we can drive down and get a TD, get a stop on D, we're gonna kick a FG and win by 1. Felt pretty smug and :ksu:
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nobody in america could have defended that pass/catch
Griffin might not have thrown that pass if Hartman hadn't been burned so badly, though.
right/ because Griffin doesn't trust Wright to come up w/ a big catch. Griffin recognized the blitz and saw man coverage on one of the best receivers in the conference so he threw it up and the Wright made an incredible catch. to blame that TD on Hartman is rough ridin' dumb.
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sad
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I thought, "well I hope we keep it close. I'd hate for us to get boat-raced here." If Baylor would've stretched out the lead to 20 or so points, that would've killed me.
After the missed field goal I thought "You know, if we can just get a score here...."
Oh man. I got so nervous when we tried to pass like five times in a row and ended up in 3rd and ten even after getting bailed out by that penalty.
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I was yelling "You gotta be kidding me" over and over. Who would have thought they would go to the endzone on a 4th and 5? Not me. It was a great catch. I was :sdeek:
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nobody in america could have defended that pass/catch
Griffin might not have thrown that pass if Hartman hadn't been burned so badly, though.
right/ because Griffin doesn't trust Wright to come up w/ a big catch. Griffin recognized the blitz and saw man coverage on one of the best receivers in the conference so he threw it up and the Wright made an incredible catch. to blame that TD on Hartman is rough ridin' dumb.
Well.. it is either Hartman or the defensive scheme's fault (and considering there's a doctor scheme devoted thread....). He blew his coverage, plain and simple. Would it have stopped him from making that catch.. who knows. But the corner was supposed to have the help over the top.. and he didn't.
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I was like...if we're going to lose...at least they are making ridiculous plays. :dunno:
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nobody in america could have defended that pass/catch
Griffin might not have thrown that pass if Hartman hadn't been burned so badly, though.
right/ because Griffin doesn't trust Wright to come up w/ a big catch. Griffin recognized the blitz and saw man coverage on one of the best receivers in the conference so he threw it up and the Wright made an incredible catch. to blame that TD on Hartman is rough ridin' dumb.
Well.. it is either Hartman or the defensive scheme's fault (and considering there's a doctor scheme devoted thread....). He blew his coverage, plain and simple. Would it have stopped him from making that catch.. who knows. But the corner was supposed to have the help over the top.. and he didn't.
Hartman was expecting a short route because it was 4th and 4. Really, there's nothing anybody could have done to prevent that touchdown, assuming Griffin made the same throw into coverage as he did to a wide open receiver. Given Hartman's lack of athleticism, he probably defended the play the way he should have. It was just hard to watch.
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ranting nonsensically about how many points we left on the field from settling for field goals. "WE COULD HAVE BEEN UP 21-7 IN THE 1st QUARTER AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THIS! :angry: "
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ranting nonsensically about how many points we left on the field from settling for field goals. "WE COULD HAVE BEEN UP 21-7 IN THE 1st QUARTER AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THIS! :angry: "
That was pathetic. The team probably practiced like crap all last week. I'm sure they would have won by more if that weren't the case.
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ranting nonsensically about how many points we left on the field from settling for field goals. "WE COULD HAVE BEEN UP 21-7 IN THE 1st QUARTER AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THIS! :angry: "
This is what I thought of.
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nobody in america could have defended that pass/catch
Griffin might not have thrown that pass if Hartman hadn't been burned so badly, though.
right/ because Griffin doesn't trust Wright to come up w/ a big catch. Griffin recognized the blitz and saw man coverage on one of the best receivers in the conference so he threw it up and the Wright made an incredible catch. to blame that TD on Hartman is rough ridin' dumb.
When Wright dove to make that catch his feet were in the middle of the "E" in the endzone. Hartmans back foot was outside the endzone and he was just making his first step in. Griffin overthrew it, causing Wright to have to make an amazing diving catch. If Griffin throws that ball 3 yards shorter Wright makes the catch in the middle of the endzone jogging backwards while Hartman chases him from 4 yards behind. Griffin's overthrow and Wright's amazing catch doesn't take away the fact that Hartman still got burned.
Hartman getting burned and Griffin/Wrights pass and catch are independent of each other. Just like Hartman's shitty coverage in the Miami game where he got burned and the receiver was two yards behind him. If Harris doesn't make a shitty pass and overthrow him, we would have lost that game 31-28. Hartman still got burned and he had absolutely nothing to do with the receiver he was covering not making the catch.
Also, go watch Hartman on Baylor's 2nd TD where the guy ran down the side line. Rather than angle back to knock him out of bounds, he runs right at the receiver, ignoring the fact that there are 2 blockers between him and the receiver, and takes himself out of the play. Hartman's job is to run around, take up space, and give the illusion of safety coverage on passing plays, and to wait for a running play to try and lay a big hit if someone already has him wrapped up. If the guy is running at him, his job is to stop 2 yards short and dive at feet.
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ranting nonsensically about how many points we left on the field from settling for field goals. "WE COULD HAVE BEEN UP 21-7 IN THE 1st QUARTER AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOSE THIS! :angry: "
That was pathetic. The team probably practiced like crap all last week. I'm sure they would have won by more if that weren't the case.
2 weeks in a row?! oh man...that's on the coaches, dr. scheme.
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When CK kept fumbling but we kept recovering in Miami, I had the "This is our day" feeling. After the 4th and 5 TD I had the "This is Baylor's day" feeling.
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I started ranting about Braden Wilson. Mrs. _33 was like "is he the one that let him catch it?" and I said "no, he plays offense", and she was like :confused:
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nobody in america could have defended that pass/catch
Griffin might not have thrown that pass if Hartman hadn't been burned so badly, though.
right/ because Griffin doesn't trust Wright to come up w/ a big catch. Griffin recognized the blitz and saw man coverage on one of the best receivers in the conference so he threw it up and the Wright made an incredible catch. to blame that TD on Hartman is rough ridin' dumb.
When Wright dove to make that catch his feet were in the middle of the "E" in the endzone. Hartmans back foot was outside the endzone and he was just making his first step in. Griffin overthrew it, causing Wright to have to make an amazing diving catch. If Griffin throws that ball 3 yards shorter Wright makes the catch in the middle of the endzone jogging backwards while Hartman chases him from 4 yards behind. Griffin's overthrow and Wright's amazing catch doesn't take away the fact that Hartman still got burned.
Hartman getting burned and Griffin/Wrights pass and catch are independent of each other. Just like Hartman's shitty coverage in the Miami game where he got burned and the receiver was two yards behind him. If Harris doesn't make a shitty pass and overthrow him, we would have lost that game 31-28. Hartman still got burned and he had absolutely nothing to do with the receiver he was covering not making the catch.
Maybe we were playing the underneath/slant/quick routes or whatever? Didn't someone say that they were killing us with those in the first half (which is why we blew up their final play)? :dunno:
But Hartman does seem to suck. We seem to be good at finding safeties who are just good enough to get attention early in their careers but then end up sucking. That seems like a trend. Maybe it's not.
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nobody in america could have defended that pass/catch
Griffin might not have thrown that pass if Hartman hadn't been burned so badly, though.
right/ because Griffin doesn't trust Wright to come up w/ a big catch. Griffin recognized the blitz and saw man coverage on one of the best receivers in the conference so he threw it up and the Wright made an incredible catch. to blame that TD on Hartman is rough ridin' dumb.
Well.. it is either Hartman or the defensive scheme's fault (and considering there's a doctor scheme devoted thread....). He blew his coverage, plain and simple. Would it have stopped him from making that catch.. who knows. But the corner was supposed to have the help over the top.. and he didn't.
Hartman was expecting a short route because it was 4th and 4. Really, there's nothing anybody could have done to prevent that touchdown, assuming Griffin made the same throw into coverage as he did to a wide open receiver. Given Hartman's lack of athleticism, he probably defended the play the way he should have. It was just hard to watch.
Given his lack of athleticism, he probably should not have been in man coverage on one of their best receivers. If you go back on two of Kendall Wright's TD's, he gets burned on that play manned up, and the other he commits to the run and there's no protection over the top and you can see his "oh crap" moment when he turns and starts sprinting back to the zone he should've been playing. He should be playing deep first considering he's the last line of defense (but maybe that's just a romeo crennel philosophy).
All in all... he's terrible.
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nobody in america could have defended that pass/catch
Griffin might not have thrown that pass if Hartman hadn't been burned so badly, though.
right/ because Griffin doesn't trust Wright to come up w/ a big catch. Griffin recognized the blitz and saw man coverage on one of the best receivers in the conference so he threw it up and the Wright made an incredible catch. to blame that TD on Hartman is rough ridin' dumb.
Well.. it is either Hartman or the defensive scheme's fault (and considering there's a doctor scheme devoted thread....). He blew his coverage, plain and simple. Would it have stopped him from making that catch.. who knows. But the corner was supposed to have the help over the top.. and he didn't.
Hartman was expecting a short route because it was 4th and 4. Really, there's nothing anybody could have done to prevent that touchdown, assuming Griffin made the same throw into coverage as he did to a wide open receiver. Given Hartman's lack of athleticism, he probably defended the play the way he should have. It was just hard to watch.
Given his lack of athleticism, he probably should not have been in man coverage on one of their best receivers. If you go back on two of Kendall Wright's TD's, he gets burned on that play manned up, and the other he commits to the run and there's no protection over the top and you can see his "oh crap" moment when he turns and starts sprinting back to the zone he should've been playing. He should be playing deep first considering he's the last line of defense (but maybe that's just a romeo crennel philosophy).
All in all... he's terrible.
It's not his fault the coaches put him in man coverage. If he would have played deep pass, Wright could have easily just broken his route for a curl and an easy first down. I'm sure Tysyn was worried about the first down, and that's why he played that pass the way he did. Hartman on Wright was just a horrible mismatch.
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nobody in america could have defended that pass/catch
Griffin might not have thrown that pass if Hartman hadn't been burned so badly, though.
right/ because Griffin doesn't trust Wright to come up w/ a big catch. Griffin recognized the blitz and saw man coverage on one of the best receivers in the conference so he threw it up and the Wright made an incredible catch. to blame that TD on Hartman is rough ridin' dumb.
When Wright dove to make that catch his feet were in the middle of the "E" in the endzone. Hartmans back foot was outside the endzone and he was just making his first step in. Griffin overthrew it, causing Wright to have to make an amazing diving catch. If Griffin throws that ball 3 yards shorter Wright makes the catch in the middle of the endzone jogging backwards while Hartman chases him from 4 yards behind. Griffin's overthrow and Wright's amazing catch doesn't take away the fact that Hartman still got burned.
Hartman getting burned and Griffin/Wrights pass and catch are independent of each other. Just like Hartman's shitty coverage in the Miami game where he got burned and the receiver was two yards behind him. If Harris doesn't make a shitty pass and overthrow him, we would have lost that game 31-28. Hartman still got burned and he had absolutely nothing to do with the receiver he was covering not making the catch.
Maybe we were playing the underneath/slant/quick routes or whatever? Didn't someone say that they were killing us with those in the first half (which is why we blew up their final play)? :dunno:
But Hartman does seem to suck. We seem to be good at finding safeties who are just good enough to get attention early in their careers but then end up sucking. That seems like a trend. Maybe it's not.
The trend is they are just good enough to get attention early, then screw up their leg, then we keep playing them after their injuries are border line career threatening. They are injured enough to where they are much less effective, but not enough to where it ends their career. If I were Tysyn Hartman or Marcus Watts I would spend my nights :drink: wondering what could have been. As a fan I'm just pissed we don't have anyone good enough to overtake Hartman, not Hartman himself. Very few people can come back from what happened to him. That defiantly kills him in coverage, however it doesn't excuse him from bad plays like not cutting back on BU's second touchdown and just standing there watching the WR run by him on what should have been the game winner in Miami. Him being out there and put in a position to where he has to cover Wright 1-on-1 makes me still believe Cosh is still a respect. We burn Timeouts all the time on offensive when we don't like the matchups and can't audible in time, maybe we should on defense when a guy that runs a 5.5 40 has to cover Wright 1-on-1.
Hartman shouldn't be covering Wright, at all. But to say that TD was not Hartman's fault because of a great catch is also BS. He got burned. Using bad coaching as an excuse for Hartman not to be able to execute his responsibility is also BS. If you can't do your responsibility, that's fine, but later in the game when you make a big hit on someone that's already wrapped up, don't hop up and pump your fist like you just saved the world either.
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Was too amazed at the throw/catch to think about the consequences. Then all the tucks started saying the WR was out of bounds so I quickly got angry because that was just a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) claim.
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Was too amazed at the throw/catch to think about the consequences. Then all the tucks started saying the WR was out of bounds so I quickly got angry because that was just a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) claim.
I'm a student so I was in the student section and there was a similar reaction, it amazes me how stupid most of them are about football. "Bullshit he was out of bounds!" "Incompletion!" "No catch!"
It's one thing to be pissed off about their guy making a great play and our safety being awful but don't be in denial over it.
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Was too amazed at the throw/catch to think about the consequences. Then all the tucks started saying the WR was out of bounds so I quickly got angry because that was just a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) claim.
I'm a student so I was in the student section and there was a similar reaction, it amazes me how stupid most of them are about football. "Bullshit he was out of bounds!" "Incompletion!" "No catch!"
It's one thing to be pissed off about their guy making a great play and our safety being awful but don't be in denial over it.
To be fair, you can't see crap from the first 15 or so rows student section.
(I thought he may have dropped it :embarrassed:)
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Was too amazed at the throw/catch to think about the consequences. Then all the tucks started saying the WR was out of bounds so I quickly got angry because that was just a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) claim.
I'm a student so I was in the student section and there was a similar reaction, it amazes me how stupid most of them are about football. "Bullshit he was out of bounds!" "Incompletion!" "No catch!"
It's one thing to be pissed off about their guy making a great play and our safety being awful but don't be in denial over it.
To be fair, you can't see crap from the first 15 or so rows student section.
(I thought he may have dropped it :embarrassed:)
Fair enough if you were sitting really low, but I was about 30 rows up so the people around me were high enough to have a clear view of the play. I know I saw it clear as day and it was a catch at first sight (unless you were a ref). The students around me had no excuse.
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I think everyone is overlooking the fact the RGIII threw the ball 55 yards, falling backwards, with an AB in his face. Incredible play by Baylor and lucky as eff.
AB would have sacked him had he not been facemasked blowing through the los.