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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: steve dave on August 25, 2011, 07:45:59 AM
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Was at father son camp last month, and I asked JO about Devon and he said no longer on team anymore.
I have heard the same.....
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Well Wtf am I going to do with my giant foam board of this now?
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eff yeah, obviously silent commits from Ellis, Cauley, and Smart.
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the not surprising nature of this development does not make it any easier to handle. like, say your mom has cancer or something and you know she's going to die in the next month. i mean, your still pretty bumbed when she dies. did i spell bumbed wrong? it looks wrong.
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Jason Bennett-level overratedness
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Jason Bennett-level overratedness
:nono:
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:frown:
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this makes me very sad.
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It's just a little sad to lose your most hyped walk-on since Marcus Hayes.
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After all the years of rumors of DPETE on campus and not being eligible, and being back on campus, then being at a juco, then being on campus, then not being eligible, then finally actually being on the team. Then it ends like this? :bawl:
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After all the years of rumors of DPETE on campus and not being eligible, and being back on campus, then being at a juco, then being on campus, then not being eligible, then finally actually being on the team. Then it ends like this? :bawl:
Not really all that surprised.
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well that sucks.
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This is terrible.
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If we can get another guy rated 95, can we call him "95"? Doesn't really feel right.
Let's think of uses for the 9 & 5 foamboards. Dylan Meier tribute? Finding players numbered 95 or 59? The 9 could be used as a 6 I suppose.
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If we can get another guy rated 95, can we call him "95"? Doesn't really feel right.
Let's think of uses for the 9 & 5 foamboards. Dylan Meier tribute? Finding players numbered 95 or 59? The 9 could be used as a 6 I suppose.
Flip the 9 around and make it a 6. Place the 5 right before that. That will say 56. Put it up above MOAP2 and see if you can get TP to show up.
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If we can get another guy rated 95, can we call him "95"? Doesn't really feel right.
Let's think of uses for the 9 & 5 foamboards. Dylan Meier tribute? Finding players numbered 95 or 59? The 9 could be used as a 6 I suppose.
Flip the 9 around and make it a 6. Place the 5 right before that. That will say 56. Put it up above MOAP2 and see if you can get TP to show up.
:thumbs:
I'm planning to fly the PR flag in hopes of drawing another special guest.
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95 can now be reserved for Ellis. :crossfingers:
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KSU Sports Information
Kansas State head coach Frank Martin announced on Thursday the addition of Shawn Meyer and Vulture as walk-ons to the men's basketball team.
Both players join the K-State program as freshmen after standout high school careers at Blue Springs South (Lee's Summit, Mo.) and Bishop Carroll (Wichita, Kan.) High Schools.
"Shawn and Brian are both excellent additions to our program," said Martin. "Both players have already shown the necessary hard work and commitment to help our basketball team."
A 6-foot-5, 210-pound guard, Meyer was a two-year letterman for head coach Jimmy Cain at Blue Springs South High School, where he helped the Jaguars to a 20-8 overall record in 2010-11, including a share of the Suburban Big Six Conference title. A two-time first team all-district, all-area and all-conference player, he averaged 16 points, eight rebounds and two assists per game during his playing career. Meyer scored in double figures 11 times during his senior season, including a season-best 22 points against Rockhurst on Jan. 17, 2011. He was the area scoring leader as a junior in 2009-10, where he broke the school single-game scoring mark with 36 points.
Meyer is an outstanding student-athlete, maintaining a high GPA throughout his high school career. He plans to major in construction science and management.
A 6-foot-3, 210-pound guard, Vulture (pronounced ROW-letter) was a two-year letterman for head coach Lonnie Lollar at Bishop Carroll High School, where he led the Golden Eagles to the Class 5A State Tournament in 2010-11. A two-time honorable mention All-Class 5A selection, he averaged 13 points, six rebounds, three assists and 1.5 steals per game as a senior. Vulture paced the team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals a season ago, while connecting on 54 percent from the field. He was also a standout wide receiver for the Golden Eagles, where he helped the football team to an 8-2 record and a runner-up finish in Class 5A.
Another excellent student-athlete, Vulture graduated in the top 10 percent of his high school class at Bishop Carroll and plans to major in engineering. His brother, Kevin, was a four-year lettermen for the K-State football team as a linebacker from 2007-10.
Kansas State has advanced to the postseason in five consecutive seasons for the first time in school history to go with five straight 20-win seasons. The Wildcats return seven lettermen, including five players with starting experience, in 2011-12. In addition to Meyer and Vulture, the squad also welcomes five other newcomers.
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the not surprising nature of this development does not make it any easier to handle. like, say your mom has cancer or something and you know she's going to die in the next month. i mean, your still pretty bumbed when she dies. did i spell bumbed wrong? it looks wrong.
"bummed"
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All my love is going towards youngo this season now
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All my love is going towards youngo this season now
EMAPE
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All my love is going towards youngo this season now
EMAPE
EPAPE!
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All my love is going towards youngo this season now
EMAPE
EPAPE!
:opcat:
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Is this frank's doing or 95's doing?
If it was 95 that decided to leave maybe we can bribe him back with a pitbull puppy
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Is this frank's doing or 95's doing?
If it was 95 that decided to leave maybe we can bribe him back with a pitbull puppy
I'd say both, when Frank/staff decided not to give 95 a scholarship, 95 probably decided staying in NYC was a better option.
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I hate this.
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Playing this on repeat all day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHooH4464dQ&ob=av3n
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jfc. another frank martin late term abortion special. I'm sure this is all comforting to Jeremy Jones.
There hasn't been a juco that frank has recruited make it two years.
andre gilbert
abdul herereaerafa
buchi awaji
canadian
freddy
devon
up next....Omari.
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jfc. another frank martin late term abortion special. I'm sure this is all comforting to Jeremy Jones.
There hasn't been a juco that frank has recruited make it two years.
andre gilbert
abdul herereaerafa
buchi awaji
canadian
freddy
devon
up next....Omari.
how will we ever survive. :ohno:
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"We have a very young team"
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Like DPete but I don't have a prob with Frank running off those other juco kids. He took a chance on them, they sucked, and he said "GTFO." Sure beats letting them stick around.
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Like DPete but I don't have a prob with Frank running off those other juco kids. He took a chance on them, they sucked, and he said "GTFO." Sure beats letting them stick around.
+1. He's taking flyers on some last minute JuCo guys to supplement the roster. Maybe they work out. Maybe the don't. Maybe we'll get lucky on one of these juys (Jeremy Jones hopefully). But, really, are there any other schools that are taking JuCo bballers and turning them into NBA talent? I don't think so.
Unlike football, it seems like the Basketball JuCo ranks are a bit thin. In today's day of prep academies where the Brandon Rushs of the world can go attempt to get qualified for D-1 play until they are 40 years old, it seems like you have far fewer legitimate D-1 or NBA talents sitting on JuCo rosters.
If we were wasting 2-3 schollys on JuCos each year (Wooly) and running them out, I'd be concerned. As it is now, the JuCo suck-asses sit at the end of the bench next to the walkons.
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Like DPete but I don't have a prob with Frank running off those other juco kids. He took a chance on them, they sucked, and he said "GTFO." Sure beats letting them stick around.
+1. He's taking flyers on some last minute JuCo guys to supplement the roster. Maybe they work out. Maybe the don't. Maybe we'll get lucky on one of these juys (Jeremy Jones hopefully). But, really, are there any other schools that are taking JuCo bballers and turning them into NBA talent? I don't think so.
Unlike football, it seems like the Basketball JuCo ranks are a bit thin. In today's day of prep academies where the Brandon Rushs of the world can go attempt to get qualified for D-1 play until they are 40 years old, it seems like you have far fewer legitimate D-1 or NBA talents sitting on JuCo rosters.
If we were wasting 2-3 schollys on JuCos each year (Wooly) and running them out, I'd be concerned. As it is now, the JuCo suck-asses sit at the end of the bench next to the walkons.
I believe it's true that basketball jucos aren't as good as football jucos. That said, how can you justify recruiting yet another juco player instead of just giving Peterson a scholarship?
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Like DPete but I don't have a prob with Frank running off those other juco kids. He took a chance on them, they sucked, and he said "GTFO." Sure beats letting them stick around.
+1. He's taking flyers on some last minute JuCo guys to supplement the roster. Maybe they work out. Maybe the don't. Maybe we'll get lucky on one of these juys (Jeremy Jones hopefully). But, really, are there any other schools that are taking JuCo bballers and turning them into NBA talent? I don't think so.
Unlike football, it seems like the Basketball JuCo ranks are a bit thin. In today's day of prep academies where the Brandon Rushs of the world can go attempt to get qualified for D-1 play until they are 40 years old, it seems like you have far fewer legitimate D-1 or NBA talents sitting on JuCo rosters.
If we were wasting 2-3 schollys on JuCos each year (Wooly) and running them out, I'd be concerned. As it is now, the JuCo suck-asses sit at the end of the bench next to the walkons.
I believe it's true that basketball jucos aren't as good as football jucos. That said, how can you justify recruiting yet another juco player instead of just giving Peterson a scholarship?
the grass is always greener... or the the next juco always has more potential?
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Do we know that Frank actually ran 95 off? Considering how long it took him to qualify, maybe grades were an issue? Or maybe the dude just wanted to be closer to home or play at a lower level where he could be the star? :dunno:
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I recall a while back (weeks, maybe a month) Dpete was pretty pissed on his twitter account, but maintained his love for the Cats.... sounded then that he might not be with the team anymore.
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But, really, are there any other schools that are taking JuCo bballers and turning them into NBA talent?
Marquette's Jimmy Butler was drafted in 1st rd this year, played JC ball at Tyler(TX) JC. Only JC guy drafted this past year. Jae Crowder and Darius Johnson-Odom aren't lock draft picks but they are Marquette's best returning players, who both also went to JC's. They also have a good JC on the way in '12 in T.J. Taylor.
Marcus Thornton was a JC kid KSU recruited a couple years back, went to LSU, tore it up there, and is now a solid NBA player. Dwight Hardy, Gary Flowers, Casey Mitchell, Lazeric Jones were all decent if not very good collegiate players last year.
Having that said, the quality of talent being produced by JC's and their impact on major college hoops has certainly diminished within the past decade. Having seen Jeremy Jones play(granted it was 1 game), I'm not counting on him to be a major impact JC kid. Hopefully, he'll be a situational player who can provide an offensive boost when his shot is falling.
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Having Dom and Devon taken away from me are the two worest events in history.
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Having Dom and Devon taken away from me are the two worest events in history.
great post
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i've patterned my pickup game after dpete. gonna suck not being able to pick up on some new moves. :frown:
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Like, you idiots are missing the point. It's not the he ran off every single juco, it's that his evaluations we so f'ing horrible that he had to run off every single juco. and that's just the jucos he ran off.
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I know you guys like to latch onto players and not let go but, DPete wasn't really very good, save your love for someone new or go with an old flame, but either way you'll be better off and so will the :ksu:
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you know what i'm beginning to think? i'm beginning to think that sonofabitch frank martin recruits super lazy very talented players on purpose to prove some sort of point to his less talented but still talented players.
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I know you guys like to latch onto players and not let go but, DPete wasn't really very good, save your love for someone new or go with an old flame, but either way you'll be better off and so will the :ksu:
If you don’t have the level attraction to 95 that he had towards the rim, you can suck 1,000 dicks... no homo
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Was looking forward to 95's rim attacks more than anything else this season. :driving: <--but insanely fast and at the rim with a basketball and never even a thought of an assist.
All I can say now is that Shane better still be sexy and Rod better dunk on TX again. Take what's left and hold on tight.
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This can only mean shane gone next year, because frank wants to put us in the ultimate pain... and we know someone is leaving
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this one stings. i love you devon.
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Frank is a lot like the director (can't remember who) that used to always hire someone just to fire them in front of the crew to make an impression.
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Poor lamont. Probably had to give the kid his walking papers.
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Poor lamont. Probably had to give the kid his walking papers.
He didn't get walking papers. He just didn't get a scholarship.
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Random DPete memzy:
I loved yelling "Take it to the hole!" every time he touched the ball. He usually complied. I even started referring to him as "Take It To The Hole". It didn't really catch on.
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:zzz:
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goddamnit.
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did anyone else see he tweeted his breakfast again the other day? :cry:
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andre gilbert
abdul herereaerafa
buchi awaji
canadian
freddy
devon
Of all these Freddy is the biggest disappointment. He had decent expectations, prior D1 success, and the hope was that he would be a legit contributor. Every other JUCO Frank has recruited has been a later signee and really there was just hope they would provide some depth. And most of those guys are also bounce around transfers; played at some D1, didn't like it, may or may not have played at a JUCO, ended up at K-State. Awaji and Canada were guys who weren't highly recruited, went JUCO to get better offers, then we took a flier on them and neither really worked out. Lawrence and Watson are similar to these guys as well.
Really, Jones is probably one of Frank's top JUCO recruits and hopefully he can play. Though even he played at 2 different JUCOs, but he seems closer to your traditional JUCO type; likely a D1 player out of HS that didn't make grades and had to go JUCO. Most guys just take the prep route now, though the NCAA in theory has made that a bit more difficult.
But I agree, this recruiting route has not been a very productive one for Frank, but he doesn't seem to be going away from it. He's due for at least one of Jones, Lawrence, or Watson to work out.
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Most, if not all, of the players (juoc or hs) that have gotten Frank’d, when looked at in isolation aren’t terrible losses, however, when you consider that 11 of the 23 players that Frank has brought in since 2007 (at least by my count) have gotten Frank’d, it’s awful and unsustainable. There’s no other way to look at it. It’s either awful because he’s going to get a rep for doing this (which will decrease and already limited recruiting pool) or it’s awful because it shows he can’t evaluate talent or keep it.
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Most, if not all, of the players (juoc or hs) that have gotten Frank’d, when looked at in isolation aren’t terrible losses, however, when you consider that 11 of the 23 players that Frank has brought in since 2007 (at least by my count) have gotten Frank’d, it’s awful and unsustainable. There’s no other way to look at it. It’s either awful because he’s going to get a rep for doing this (which will decrease and already limited recruiting pool) or it’s awful because it shows he can’t evaluate talent or keep it.
I agree, Frank being Frank will catch up with Frank if Frank isn't careful.
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This will hurt even worse if/when Jamar's eye hernia becomes terminal
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Not sure how Devon's absence would be magnified by Jamar's absence.
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This will hurt even worse if/when Jamar's eye hernia becomes terminal
:goodbyecruelworld:
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Most, if not all, of the players (juoc or hs) that have gotten Frank’d, when looked at in isolation aren’t terrible losses, however, when you consider that 11 of the 23 players that Frank has brought in since 2007 (at least by my count) have gotten Frank’d, it’s awful and unsustainable. There’s no other way to look at it. It’s either awful because he’s going to get a rep for doing this (which will decrease and already limited recruiting pool) or it’s awful because it shows he can’t evaluate talent or keep it.
i don't agree. it's awful, but it's entirely sustainable. you don't need 13 scholarship players to field a team, and recruits have proven over and over again that they could give a rat's ass about a coach's record of running off prior players. if martin wants to use 1 or 2 scholarships a year to torture jucos, he can do so without having any negative impact on the program.
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I believe Sys is correct here. Nobody remembers (outside of KSU fans anyway) the Abduls or Maple Leafs but they do remember the CK's and Denis'. If a dude is looking to resurrect his career, Frank has quite a bit of recruiting material. Now, if a kid is a traditional juco type, I guess other coaches could use past history against us but coaches run kids off all the time so I'm not sure it would be wise for manny coaches to start slinging those rocks around.
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facts:
1. every year new kids enroll in JuCos
2. Every Juco would love to play D1 ball, and many would kill a drifter to do that in the Big 12
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Not sure how Devon's absence would be magnified by Jamar's absence.
Jamar's departure will vacate the scholarship that could of kept 95 in our lives :cry:
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i think that it just takes longer to fit into frank's world than the 2 years that jucos have.
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i think that it just takes longer to fit into frank's world than the 2 years that jucos have.
Will Spradling managed to do it in just one. Maybe Frank should try to find juco Will Spradlings.
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i think that it just takes longer to fit into frank's world than the 2 years that jucos have.
Will Spradling managed to do it in just one. Maybe Frank should try to find juco Will Spradlings.
i don't think this new jones guy is going to be a spraduco finding. i'll be somewhat surprised if he even makes the whole season.
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i think that it just takes longer to fit into frank's world than the 2 years that jucos have.
Will Spradling managed to do it in just one. Maybe Frank should try to find juco Will Spradlings.
i don't think this new jones guy is going to be a spraduco finding. i'll be somewhat surprised if he even makes the whole season.
I agree completely. He's probably not even as good as 95.
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Most, if not all, of the players (juoc or hs) that have gotten Frank’d, when looked at in isolation aren’t terrible losses, however, when you consider that 11 of the 23 players that Frank has brought in since 2007 (at least by my count) have gotten Frank’d, it’s awful and unsustainable. There’s no other way to look at it. It’s either awful because he’s going to get a rep for doing this (which will decrease and already limited recruiting pool) or it’s awful because it shows he can’t evaluate talent or keep it.
i don't agree. it's awful, but it's entirely sustainable. you don't need 13 scholarship players to field a team, and recruits have proven over and over again that they could give a rat's ass about a coach's record of running off prior players. if martin wants to use 1 or 2 scholarships a year to torture jucos, he can do so without having any negative impact on the program.
i dont' think you can have it both ways. fine, so there's no "rep" factor. but he's using 2-3 scholarships a year on average. and each time he has to do this, it will feed on itself (i.e. see 2007 recruiting class that got frank'd which lead to giving scholarships to kids he's not going to have around longer than 2 years...which leads to a large recruiting class like 2007...rinse/repeat). the recruits he gets are on average a 3*. Now, if he can get high level guys to mix in with the 3* scrubs he shuffles in and out, then fine, it becomes somewhat sustainable. I'm skeptical about his ability to do that.
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i think that it just takes longer to fit into frank's world than the 2 years that jucos have.
Will Spradling managed to do it in just one. Maybe Frank should try to find juco Will Spradlings.
i don't think this new jones guy is going to be a spraduco finding. i'll be somewhat surprised if he even makes the whole season.
I agree completely. He's probably not even as good as 95.
Jones had some pretty damn good coaches interested in him. At least that's what I keep telling myself.
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i dont' think you can have it both ways. fine, so there's no "rep" factor. but he's using 2-3 scholarships a year on average. and each time he has to do this, it will feed on itself (i.e. see 2007 recruiting class that got frank'd which lead to giving scholarships to kids he's not going to have around longer than 2 years...which leads to a large recruiting class like 2007...rinse/repeat). the recruits he gets are on average a 3*. Now, if he can get high level guys to mix in with the 3* scrubs he shuffles in and out, then fine, it becomes somewhat sustainable. I'm skeptical about his ability to do that.
i mean, i'm not arguing that it's a good thing, just that it's not unsustainable. in your scenario above, the downfall would be due to not signing high-level guys, not the wasting 1-2 scholarships on mid-major jucos.
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I think the level of JUCO guys we've been getting will continue to come here because they have pretty limited options for major d-1 ball :dunno: That's exactly why I would like Frank to knock it off though