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Title: greetings and salutations
Post by: pissclams on August 11, 2011, 01:30:35 PM
i mean this.  stop using them.  i walk into my office this morning and some clown i've never seen before says "good morning" to me.  i don't know this guy.  why does he have to pretend to wish me a good morning because  i know he doesn't mean it.  also, don't say "hey" or "hello" to me either.  i don't want to be greeted if i don't know you.  then he  puts me into a position where i have to be rude and just  keep walking and not say anything back to him.

yesterday as I was leaving work, some girl said "have a good night!" to me and i said "you too".  i don't want her to have a bad night but i also realize that nothing that I say has any impact on how her night is going to turn out. i also don't know her or have any vested interested in the quality of night she has in front of her.


these types of interactions are outdated and need to be abolished.

Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: steve dave on August 11, 2011, 01:32:32 PM
I enjoy them.  the guard at the front desk of our building is very good at them. 
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: KITNfury on August 11, 2011, 01:37:01 PM
I think people do it to put an end to the awkward walk towards each other. Like if it's just you and another person walking toward each other from a reasonable distance with no distractions beside Debbie in accounting and countless gray walls, you're forced to look at each other or making a conscious effort to look away/forward. The hello ends it all. It's human nature to avoid awkwardness. No other animal even knows what the feeling of "awkward" even is. Take my dog for instance, he has no problem making and holding eye contact with me while he's taking a crap. That is real freedom my friends.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 11, 2011, 01:42:05 PM
i give a single head nod. head moving down first and then back up because up first and then down would just look ridiculous and make them think that i might want to talk or be inviting in any sort of way. i don't.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 11, 2011, 01:43:22 PM
i give a single head nod. head moving down first and then back up because up first and then down would just look ridiculous and make them think that i might want to talk or be inviting in any sort of way. i don't.

I do this, too. Sometimes I point at the greeter while I do it, depending on how well I know the greeter.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: kitten_mittons on August 11, 2011, 01:44:33 PM
yesterday as I was leaving work, some girl said "have a good night!" to me and i said "you too".
I usually follow up "Have a good night!" with a

 :dubious: "Don't tell me what to do."
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: sys on August 11, 2011, 01:48:57 PM
i give a single head nod. head moving down first and then back up because up first and then down would just look ridiculous and make them think that i might want to talk or be inviting in any sort of way. i don't.

wow, what a day for the crazy pills.  i will often, but not always, greet people with a quick upward jerk of my chin, while lifting my eyebrows, then i slowly let my chin return to normal resting position, and i don't think it's inviting at all.

down first, jfc.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: pissclams on August 11, 2011, 01:50:58 PM
i give a single head nod. head moving down first and then back up because up first and then down would just look ridiculous and make them think that i might want to talk or be inviting in any sort of way. i don't.

q:  do you make a flat smile when you do the nod?  kind of like a serious nod with your brows down a bit?
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: DQ12 on August 11, 2011, 01:51:59 PM
If we haven't interacted prior to our passing, and if the person is a female, I will probably smile at the person.  If it's a male, I probably would not acknowledge the person.

I do not know why I do this.  Maybe I'm polite, or maybe I'm creepy.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: pissclams on August 11, 2011, 01:52:16 PM
i give a single head nod. head moving down first and then back up because up first and then down would just look ridiculous and make them think that i might want to talk or be inviting in any sort of way. i don't.

wow, what a day for the crazy pills.  i will often, but not always, greet people with a quick upward jerk of my chin, while lifting my eyebrows, then i slowly let my chin return to normal resting position, and i don't think it's inviting at all.

down first, jfc.
you should be pretty careful using this crapass technique.  people will think you want to talk to them.  which, knowing you, you probably do, LMAO :lol:
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: pissclams on August 11, 2011, 01:52:46 PM
If we haven't interacted prior to our passing, and if the person is a female, I will probably smile at the person.  If it's a male, I probably would not acknowledge the person.

I do not know why I do this.  Maybe I'm polite, or maybe I'm creepy.

it's because you want to bang the chick and just fyi, she knows it. 
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: DQ12 on August 11, 2011, 01:54:02 PM
If we haven't interacted prior to our passing, and if the person is a female, I will probably smile at the person.  If it's a male, I probably would not acknowledge the person.

I do not know why I do this.  Maybe I'm polite, or maybe I'm creepy.

it's because you want to bang the chick and just fyi, she knows it. 
I guess it could be that, at the subconscious level, but I don't think that's it.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: pissclams on August 11, 2011, 01:56:37 PM
maybe then it's just that you're intimidated by other dudes.  sounds like you're scared of the silverback.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: DQ12 on August 11, 2011, 01:57:19 PM
maybe then it's just that you're intimidated by other dudes.  sounds like you're scared of the silverback.
That seems far more likely than your previous assumption.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 11, 2011, 02:00:43 PM
i give a single head nod. head moving down first and then back up because up first and then down would just look ridiculous and make them think that i might want to talk or be inviting in any sort of way. i don't.

wow, what a day for the crazy pills.  i will often, but not always, greet people with a quick upward jerk of my chin, while lifting my eyebrows, then i slowly let my chin return to normal resting position, and i don't think it's inviting at all.

down first, jfc.

down first is basically taking care of the "hi" part of the convo. up first is saying "what's up? let's chat". i mean to each his own and all, but i certainly have no intention to walk around all day giving people nonverbals equivalent to "what's up? let's chat". maybe you do. that's cool. maybe you also eat sand and rub toothpaste in your hair before you go to bed at night. listen, that's none of my business. none. good luck in the future to you.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: chum1 on August 11, 2011, 02:03:39 PM
i'm a champ at this stuff.  a smile and a greeting from me can make someone's day.  that's right.  make their rough ridin' day.  and making others feel good makes me feel good.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Stevesie60 on August 11, 2011, 02:07:05 PM
i give a single head nod. head moving down first and then back up because up first and then down would just look ridiculous and make them think that i might want to talk or be inviting in any sort of way. i don't.

wow, what a day for the crazy pills.  i will often, but not always, greet people with a quick upward jerk of my chin, while lifting my eyebrows, then i slowly let my chin return to normal resting position, and i don't think it's inviting at all.

down first, jfc.

down first is basically taking care of the "hi" part of the convo. up first is saying "what's up? let's chat". i mean to each his own and all, but i certainly have no intention to walk around all day giving people nonverbals equivalent to "what's up? let's chat". maybe you do. that's cool. maybe you also eat sand and rub toothpaste in your hair before you go to bed at night. listen, that's none of my business. none. good luck in the future to you.

Up first with a smile is saying "what's up? let's chat". Up first with a stoic face is letting the person know "I've got more important things to do, but out of pity, I acknowledge your presence".

Down first makes me think of the way everyone acknowledges Edward Norton and Brad Pitt in Fight Club. It conveys the idea that you don't want to talk, but you're also conveying the idea that you're inferior to the other person. That's not how I roll.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Stupid Fitz on August 11, 2011, 02:11:03 PM
Dont mind them except for people that just say, "morning".
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 11, 2011, 02:19:25 PM
i give a single head nod. head moving down first and then back up because up first and then down would just look ridiculous and make them think that i might want to talk or be inviting in any sort of way. i don't.

q:  do you make a flat smile when you do the nod?  kind of like a serious nod with your brows down a bit?

flat smile. lips closed. no change in eye brows. then look at something past them in the distance and over whatever shoulder is closest to me.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: sys on August 11, 2011, 02:26:30 PM
flat smile. lips closed. no change in eye brows. then look at something past them in the distance and over whatever shoulder is closest to me.

rdaris, are you japanese?  you sound japanese to me.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: slucat on August 11, 2011, 02:31:26 PM
what are all of you? hermit friendless jerks?
*except chum*
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: pissclams on August 11, 2011, 02:32:51 PM
i like nothing better than to gaze off right past someone as they're coming towards me, yet notice through the corner of my eye that they made an effort to give me a polite smile.  and yet that polite smile was denied because my eyes were cemented straight ahead.  
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 11, 2011, 02:35:46 PM
flat smile. lips closed. no change in eye brows. then look at something past them in the distance and over whatever shoulder is closest to me.

rdaris, are you japanese?  you sound japanese to me.

i thought i was 1/8 or maybe 1/16 japanese for about five years or so. current prevailing wisdom is that i'm not.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: sys on August 11, 2011, 02:36:39 PM
what are all of you? hermit friendless jerks?
*except chum*

it's easy for you to criticize.  not all of us have lap babies to keep the masses at bay.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: sys on August 11, 2011, 02:38:12 PM
i thought i was 1/8 or maybe 1/16 japanese for about five years or so. current prevailing wisdom is that i'm not.

you are at least 1/8, at a very minimum. 
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: steve dave on August 11, 2011, 02:46:31 PM
i thought i was 1/8 or maybe 1/16 japanese for about five years or so. current prevailing wisdom is that i'm not.

you are at least 1/8, at a very minimum. 

I think I have something like that too.  my eyes get very squinty when I smile.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 11, 2011, 03:23:37 PM
i thought i was 1/8 or maybe 1/16 japanese for about five years or so. current prevailing wisdom is that i'm not.

you are at least 1/8, at a very minimum. 

I think I have something like that too.  my eyes get very squinty when I smile.

1/8 would be the maximum and while i would love for it to be true, i don't think it is. current odds place me at 1/8 italian and 7/8 irish. i actually despise the italians as a whole, so this actually sickens me quite a bit.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: steve dave on August 11, 2011, 03:25:02 PM
i thought i was 1/8 or maybe 1/16 japanese for about five years or so. current prevailing wisdom is that i'm not.

you are at least 1/8, at a very minimum. 

I think I have something like that too.  my eyes get very squinty when I smile.

1/8 would be the maximum and while i would love for it to be true, i don't think it is. current odds place me at 1/8 italian and 7/8 irish. i actually despise the italians as a whole, so this actually sickens me quite a bit.

I think I may be 1/32 eskimo
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 11, 2011, 03:30:37 PM
i thought i was 1/8 or maybe 1/16 japanese for about five years or so. current prevailing wisdom is that i'm not.

you are at least 1/8, at a very minimum. 

I think I have something like that too.  my eyes get very squinty when I smile.

1/8 would be the maximum and while i would love for it to be true, i don't think it is. current odds place me at 1/8 italian and 7/8 irish. i actually despise the italians as a whole, so this actually sickens me quite a bit.

I think I may be 1/32 eskimo

i can see that
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 11, 2011, 03:36:40 PM
i give a single head nod. head moving down first and then back up because up first and then down would just look ridiculous and make them think that i might want to talk or be inviting in any sort of way. i don't.

wow, what a day for the crazy pills.  i will often, but not always, greet people with a quick upward jerk of my chin, while lifting my eyebrows, then i slowly let my chin return to normal resting position, and i don't think it's inviting at all.

down first, jfc.

down first is basically taking care of the "hi" part of the convo. up first is saying "what's up? let's chat". i mean to each his own and all, but i certainly have no intention to walk around all day giving people nonverbals equivalent to "what's up? let's chat". maybe you do. that's cool. maybe you also eat sand and rub toothpaste in your hair before you go to bed at night. listen, that's none of my business. none. good luck in the future to you.

Up first with a smile is saying "what's up? let's chat". Up first with a stoic face is letting the person know "I've got more important things to do, but out of pity, I acknowledge your presence".

Down first makes me think of the way everyone acknowledges Edward Norton and Brad Pitt in Fight Club. It conveys the idea that you don't want to talk, but you're also conveying the idea that you're inferior to the other person. That's not how I roll.

i don't mind a bit if people think i'm inferior to them. i think i'd actually prefer it if push/shove.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Saulbadguy on August 11, 2011, 03:38:25 PM
I do "mornin" because I got tired of people saying "what's so good about it" when I said good morning.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on August 11, 2011, 03:40:27 PM
I do "mornin" because I got tired of people saying "what's so good about it" when I said good morning.

note to self: never go work at whatever place saul works at. not sure what's worse. the crappy attitudes or horrific sense of humors. maybe a tie.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: AppleJack on August 11, 2011, 03:49:18 PM
I wink at all the ladies. They melt.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: CNS on August 11, 2011, 04:46:20 PM
i give a single head nod. head moving down first and then back up because up first and then down would just look ridiculous and make them think that i might want to talk or be inviting in any sort of way. i don't.

wow, what a day for the crazy pills.  i will often, but not always, greet people with a quick upward jerk of my chin, while lifting my eyebrows, then i slowly let my chin return to normal resting position, and i don't think it's inviting at all.

down first, jfc.

Answer:

Both are acceptable head nod motions.  The diff is formality.  RD nailed the I don't know you/don't like you/more formal.  Sys, yours is meant for those who are not only familiar, but liked.

Exception: age.  Old people don't know about the usefulness of the up-first method and think it is a tool of the devil and part of what is ruining society.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Pete on August 11, 2011, 04:58:26 PM
i'm a champ at this stuff.  a smile and a greeting from me can make someone's day.  that's right.  make their rough ridin' day.  and making others feel good makes me feel good.


I'm team chum on this one.  Smile at LOADS of people.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Pete on August 11, 2011, 05:02:54 PM
i thought i was 1/8 or maybe 1/16 japanese for about five years or so. current prevailing wisdom is that i'm not.

you are at least 1/8, at a very minimum. 

I think I have something like that too.  my eyes get very squinty when I smile.

1/8 would be the maximum and while i would love for it to be true, i don't think it is. current odds place me at 1/8 italian and 7/8 irish. i actually despise the italians as a whole, so this actually sickens me quite a bit.

I think I may be 1/32 eskimo

i can see that

Procedural question here:  Are you meaning Aleutian Islander?  If so, did you check this box on the standardized tests when you were a kid, or Asian, or White Non-Hispanic?




What is the proper salutation (or non-salutation) when you come out of a stall in the bathroom and see someone you actually know in the bathroom (not a stranger)? Is it the same or different than when the person you know is the one coming out of a stall in the bathroom?  Often wondered about the proper decorum here.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: wetwillie on August 11, 2011, 06:04:08 PM
Good evening 'clams.  Hope your day went well.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Catchacold on August 11, 2011, 06:51:49 PM
"nice to meet you."

 :party:
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: pissclams on August 11, 2011, 07:03:51 PM
grrrrr    :bang:
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: TBL on August 11, 2011, 07:48:00 PM
i thought i was 1/8 or maybe 1/16 japanese for about five years or so. current prevailing wisdom is that i'm not.

you are at least 1/8, at a very minimum. 

I think I have something like that too.  my eyes get very squinty when I smile.

1/8 would be the maximum and while i would love for it to be true, i don't think it is. current odds place me at 1/8 italian and 7/8 irish. i actually despise the italians as a whole, so this actually sickens me quite a bit.

I think I may be 1/32 eskimo

i can see that


What is the proper salutation (or non-salutation) when you come out of a stall in the bathroom and see someone you actually know in the bathroom (not a stranger)? Is it the same or different than when the person you know is the one coming out of a stall in the bathroom?  Often wondered about the proper decorum here.

"How's it hangin?" would be oddly appropriate.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: nicname on August 11, 2011, 10:59:42 PM
I always, always nod or say high to older black people (40+). I don't know why. Also, old people of all kinds (granny and grandpa types).   Anyone else it is 50/50.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: pissclams on August 11, 2011, 11:03:19 PM
I always, always nod or say high to older black people (40+). I don't know why.

white man's guilt. 
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: nicname on August 11, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
I always, always nod or say high to older black people (40+). I don't know why.

white man's guilt. 

Could be.  I'm not old yet, and I've always really liked conversing with older black people as well, strangers usually. 
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Trim on August 11, 2011, 11:13:33 PM
I always, always nod or say high to older black people (40+). I don't know why.

white man's guilt. 

Yep, same reason he acknowledges kids who's parents got them all drunk.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: nicname on August 11, 2011, 11:27:36 PM
I always, always nod or say high to older black people (40+). I don't know why.

white man's guilt. 

Yep, same reason he acknowledges kids who's parents got them all drunk.

Found out those kids live with the dudes parents anyway.  Still a dumb ass move.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: 0.42 on August 12, 2011, 12:38:36 AM
agree with OP, greetings are unnecessary and they open the chance up for me to realize my greatest fear:

hot chick: what's up?

me: great, thanks

hot chick:  :sdeek:

me:  :sdeek:

me:  :dubious:

me:  :goodbyecruelworld:
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: pissclams on August 12, 2011, 07:44:33 AM
after the hot chick says what's up, you should take them back to your place to talk about rocks and maps.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: hemmy on August 12, 2011, 07:52:05 AM
Yeah, I usually respond "you too" without even processing what the other person says, and half the time it makes no sense.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: sys on August 12, 2011, 07:55:30 AM
Both are acceptable head nod motions.  The diff is formality.  RD nailed the I don't know you/don't like you/more formal.  Sys, yours is meant for those who are not only familiar, but liked.


well crap, i guess i've been doing it wrong.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: _33 on August 12, 2011, 07:59:17 AM
I just pretend to be on my cell phone every morning as I walk into work.
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 12, 2011, 08:14:30 AM
Good morning, pissclams. :gocho:
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: KCFDcat on August 12, 2011, 11:11:41 AM
This all sounds terrible. Glad I don't have to work in an office.  :dubious:
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: MeatSauce on August 12, 2011, 12:19:35 PM
nothing worse than the guy in the office that uses the side mouth click/half wink to say "hi"

As a rule of thumb, I make sure to never ask the 40 yo guys stuck working in Customer Service  "how's it going/how are you"  I mean....wow, can you imagine their personal rabbit hole of depression they're dying to take someone on a tour of?

Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: 0.42 on August 12, 2011, 02:14:18 PM
after the hot chick says what's up, you should take them back to your place to talk about rocks and maps.

 :comeatme:
Title: Re: greetings and salutations
Post by: the KHAN! on August 13, 2011, 04:12:06 PM
i mean this.  stop using them.  i walk into my office this morning and some clown i've never seen before says "good morning" to me.  i don't know this guy.  why does he have to pretend to wish me a good morning because  i know he doesn't mean it.  also, don't say "hey" or "hello" to me either.  i don't want to be greeted if i don't know you.  then he  puts me into a position where i have to be rude and just  keep walking and not say anything back to him.

yesterday as I was leaving work, some girl said "have a good night!" to me and i said "you too".  i don't want her to have a bad night but i also realize that nothing that I say has any impact on how her night is going to turn out. i also don't know her or have any vested interested in the quality of night she has in front of her.


these types of interactions are outdated and need to be abolished.



Methinks your trying to be too edgy. Trying too hard at that.