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Title: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: Bookcat on February 24, 2010, 09:57:32 AM
have we shed our loser ways? choking? SLTH'ness?

If we lose Frank will that return or can we continue to stay above the bottom tier of the league?
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: michigancat on February 24, 2010, 10:01:37 AM
I've never had loser ways.  You haven't shed them, though.
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: kcchiefdav on February 24, 2010, 10:03:32 AM
We win because we have players. Good coaching plays a part in it, but you need players first. As long as we have players we can win.
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 24, 2010, 10:08:38 AM
Money brings good coaches.  Money keeps good coaches. 

Not everybody gets a gift dropped off at their doorstep.  Huggins was the gift giver in this circumstance.
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 24, 2010, 10:10:17 AM
the way i look at it.... As quickly as it came, as quickly it could go.
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: yosh on February 24, 2010, 10:13:29 AM
We win because we have players. Good coaching plays a part in it, but you need players first. As long as we have players we can win.

I'm not disagreeing, but Jim Woolridge would be 6-10 with this team.  true story.


Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 24, 2010, 10:14:38 AM
We win because we have players. Good coaching plays a part in it, but you need players first. As long as we have players we can win.

I'm not disagreeing, but Jim Woolridge would be 6-10 with this team.  true story.




philosophy and style of play have a lot to do with it.
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 24, 2010, 10:17:27 AM
We win because we have players. Good coaching plays a part in it, but you need players first. As long as we have players we can win.

I'm not disagreeing, but Jim Woolridge would be 6-10 with this team.  true story.




philosophy and style of play have a lot to do with it.

And their willing to "BRING IT" -Tony Horton
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: kso_FAN on February 24, 2010, 10:18:54 AM
have we shed our loser ways? choking? SLTH'ness?

If we lose Frank will that return or can we continue to stay above the bottom tier of the league?

There is no way to know.  Its so dependent on the coach, the attitude he brings, the type of players he recruits, etc.  We could easily slip back, a few good years guarantees nothing if you don't keep the coach in place that is getting it done. 
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: chum1 on February 24, 2010, 10:20:38 AM
Bookcat, yes.  We will be good forever now.  CHECK!
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: ednksu on February 24, 2010, 10:59:07 AM
If winning were insured we would have never started to suck.
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: sys on February 24, 2010, 11:16:21 AM
good thread on gpc with a poster claiming insider info (he's some sort of bigshotattorneycat) that currie has met what he thought were martin's contract demands, but martin won't sign.  the gpc bsac says that currie is mad because he's scared.
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: michigancat on February 24, 2010, 12:28:46 PM
good thread on gpc with a poster claiming insider info (he's some sort of bigshotattorneycat) that currie has met what he thought were martin's contract demands, but martin won't sign.  the gpc bsac says that currie is mad because he's scared.

That's just RKatz being RKatz.
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: chum1 on February 24, 2010, 02:15:16 PM
good thread on gpc with a poster claiming insider info (he's some sort of bigshotattorneycat) that currie has met what he thought were martin's contract demands, but martin won't sign.  the gpc bsac says that currie is mad because he's scared.

That's just RKatz being RKatz.

You've spoken with him?  You should.
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: OregonSmock on February 24, 2010, 06:25:43 PM
I think it's safe to say that K-State has arrived.  As long as you guys keep Martin and his coaching staff, you're in good shape.  A few years ago I could only dream about the day when two top five teams from the state of Kansas were set to do battle in March.  These are good times for all the local schools (K-State, Mizzou, and Kansas).  Cherish it, because it can disappear in the blink of an eye. 
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 24, 2010, 06:36:44 PM
I think it's safe to say that K-State has arrived.  As long as you guys keep Martin and his coaching staff, you're in good shape.  A few years ago I could only dream about the day when two top five teams from the state of Kansas were set to do battle in March.  These are good times for all the local schools (K-State, Mizzou, and Kansas).  Cherish it, because it can disappear in the blink of an eye. 

the fact that this game is on the big 12 network is a rough ridin' joke.
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: OregonSmock on February 24, 2010, 06:44:32 PM
I think it's safe to say that K-State has arrived.  As long as you guys keep Martin and his coaching staff, you're in good shape.  A few years ago I could only dream about the day when two top five teams from the state of Kansas were set to do battle in March.  These are good times for all the local schools (K-State, Mizzou, and Kansas).  Cherish it, because it can disappear in the blink of an eye. 

the fact that this game is on the big 12 network is a fracking joke.




It's a complete joke.  The first matchup between KU and K-State this year was an all-time classic.  If it were Duke/UNC, we'd be watching commercials on ESPN for a month straight. 
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: Thread Killer on February 24, 2010, 07:01:01 PM
We win because we have players. Good coaching plays a part in it, but you need players first. As long as we have players we can win.

I'm not disagreeing, but Jim Woolridge would be 6-10 with this team.  true story.




Doubtful...Wooly was able to get a couple 6 wins seasons when the best player on the court was Frank Richards..

Having good players is 90% of it...but obviously it takes coaches to get those players to campus, 'Te
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: sys on February 24, 2010, 07:39:15 PM
good thread on gpc with a poster claiming insider info (he's some sort of bigshotattorneycat) that currie has met what he thought were martin's contract demands, but martin won't sign.  the gpc bsac says that currie is mad because he's scared.

That's just RKatz being RKatz.

pshaw.  whose word do you think i'm going to take?  some sort of bigshotattorney cat or some random michigan cat?
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: Winters on February 24, 2010, 07:50:38 PM
OT: Winning is pretty fun.
Title: Re: Has the winning attitude permanently changed?
Post by: ChiComCat on February 24, 2010, 08:42:06 PM
We win because we have players. Good coaching plays a part in it, but you need players first. As long as we have players we can win.

I'm not disagreeing, but Jim Woolridge would be 6-10 with this team.  true story.




Doubtful...Wooly was able to get a couple 6 wins seasons when the best player on the court was Frank Richards..

Having good players is 90% of it...but obviously it takes coaches to get those players to campus, 'Te


Getting 6 wins isn't hard when you have other Nortards.  You want to see the difference in good coaching, go from Wooly's last year to Hugg's first.  In about 6 games in conference, we were 5 points away from winning.  Potentially 12-4 if we make every play down the stretch (not going to happen for any coach but still). 

Down the stretch Wooly would get the ball to our best player, Cartier (an obvious coaching move).  The problem is that Wooly didn't know how to put him in a spot to succeed.  It was get the ball to Cartier and have him find his shot (not his strength at all).  I remember countless times where Cartier would try to dribble-drive and lose the ball because that was not his strength. 

The next year, Huggs is coaching us in the CTR.  Tie ball game, about a minute to go and we are coming out of a timeout.  Huggs draws up an actual play (surprising SLTHy schemey coach like Wooly couldnt do this).  This play works to our strengths.  Hoskins gets the ball and drive to the basket (a strength of his), drawing Cartier's defender off to help.  Then Hoskins kicks it back to Cartier for a set shot which is exactly his strength.

This is why, IMO, Wooly gets 8 conf wins with this team tops.