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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: OK_Cat on July 05, 2011, 12:41:40 PM
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:lol: ok squawk
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I'm pretty sure it already does. an NFL HC is worth at least as much as two Stoops' and a couple BCS wash outs.
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if james franklin wins at vanderbilt, it's a way bigger accomplishment than stoops winning at ou. fact. not even arguable.
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if james franklin wins at vanderbilt, it's a way bigger accomplishment than stoops winning at ou. fact. not even arguable.
way to step out on a limb there OK_Cat.
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if james franklin wins at vanderbilt, it's a way bigger accomplishment than stoops winning at ou. fact. not even arguable.
way to step out on a limb there OK_Cat.
just helping my case, williewatanabe.
we never really knew what we had until it was gone. :shakesfist:
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was it franklin's wife that prince was supposedly banging? i do not remember.
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was it franklin's wife that prince was supposedly banging? i do not remember.
wallerstadt iirc
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Prince's original staff was actually pretty decent in retrospect.
Raheem Morris - Duh
James Franklin - TBD
Wallerstedt - He was every bit as good as Cosh (probably better since he most likely didn't drool all over himself 24 hours a day)
Horton - Became an ace recruiter at Arkansas
Tibs - He was a good special teams coach, FWIW
Pat Washington - Had just come from Tennessee
James Jones - Eh, meh.
Mo Latimore - Mo's Mo
Tim McCarty - He was always worthless, so that decreases the overall grade
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Yeah, Prince's original staff was decent, and there's no doubt Franklin is a recruiting machine. But . . . but if Franklin is going to "control" an offense like he did at K-State, and like he did at Maryland, he'll be mediocre at best at Vandy. Which just might be good enough, but like Prince, he proved time and again at K-State and Maryland that he had a very bad feel for the overall game.
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Prince's original staff was actually pretty decent in retrospect.
Raheem Morris - Duh
James Franklin - TBD
Wallerstedt - He was every bit as good as Cosh (probably better since he most likely didn't drool all over himself 24 hours a day)
Horton - Became an ace recruiter at Arkansas
Tibs - He was a good special teams coach, FWIW
Pat Washington - Had just come from Tennessee
James Jones - Eh, meh.
Mo Latimore - Mo's Mo
Tim McCarty - He was always worthless, so that decreases the overall grade
Never felt like Prince Ron knew what he was doing, with his staff or players, except for the Texas games. The "Bunny" episode in Hays during the Catbacker event proved that Prince couldn't manage relations with donors/alumni.
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Yeah, Prince's original staff was decent, and there's no doubt Franklin is a recruiting machine. But . . . but if Franklin is going to "control" an offense like he did at K-State, and like he did at Maryland, he'll be mediocre at best at Vandy. Which just might be good enough, but like Prince, he proved time and again at K-State and Maryland that he had a very bad feel for the overall game.
Our offense was actually much better when Prince called the games. That's absolutely true.
But, hopefully, Franklin realizes that he just needs to hire a good coordinator and let him actually call the game.
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Never felt like Prince Ron knew what he was doing, with his staff or players, except for the Texas games. The "Bunny" episode in Hays during the Catbacker event proved that Prince couldn't manage relations with donors/alumni.
I remember hearing about him hitting on "some lady" while he was in Hays, but don't know anything more than that. Any other details worth noting?
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Tibs is a DC in Canada and McCarty is a head coach in Oklahoma somewheres again!
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Yeah, Prince's original staff was decent, and there's no doubt Franklin is a recruiting machine. But . . . but if Franklin is going to "control" an offense like he did at K-State, and like he did at Maryland, he'll be mediocre at best at Vandy. Which just might be good enough, but like Prince, he proved time and again at K-State and Maryland that he had a very bad feel for the overall game.
Our offense was actually much better when Prince called the games. That's absolutely true.
But, hopefully, Franklin realizes that he just needs to hire a good coordinator and let him actually call the game.
The offense has actually been much better over the past 2 years than it was with Prince and Franklin, considering the capabilities of the defense.
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Prince's original staff was actually pretty decent in retrospect.
Raheem Morris - Duh
James Franklin - TBD
Wallerstedt - He was every bit as good as Cosh (probably better since he most likely didn't drool all over himself 24 hours a day)
Horton - Became an ace recruiter at Arkansas
Tibs - He was a good special teams coach, FWIW
Pat Washington - Had just come from Tennessee
James Jones - Eh, meh.
Mo Latimore - Mo's Mo
Tim McCarty - He was always worthless, so that decreases the overall grade
Never felt like Prince Ron knew what he was doing, with his staff or players, except for the Texas games. The "Bunny" episode in Hays during the Catbacker event proved that Prince couldn't manage relations with donors/alumni.
This is what always bothered me about KSU fans and their analysis of Ron Prince. They never had the ability to grade him on different facets of his abilities. You would talk about one thing he did well, and some idiot (not you; mostly people on GPC) would immediately talk about what he said at a nut fry in some small town somewhere.
Ron Prince did a lot of things very badly. He did some things decently. He did a few things well. His first staff was a good D1 staff. He was bad at keeping staff, and after his small network was tapped after one year, he had trouble finding suitable replacements.
I guess what I don't understand, and probably never will, is why it's not possible for people to look at him and say, "He did this well, he did this poorly, he did this well, he did this poorly, etc." I guess that and the propensity for people to throw in what happened at some Catbacker event just seems to boggle my mind.
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Yeah, Prince's original staff was decent, and there's no doubt Franklin is a recruiting machine. But . . . but if Franklin is going to "control" an offense like he did at K-State, and like he did at Maryland, he'll be mediocre at best at Vandy. Which just might be good enough, but like Prince, he proved time and again at K-State and Maryland that he had a very bad feel for the overall game.
Our offense was actually much better when Prince called the games. That's absolutely true.
But, hopefully, Franklin realizes that he just needs to hire a good coordinator and let him actually call the game.
The offense has actually been much better over the past 2 years than it was with Prince and Franklin, considering the capabilities of the defense.
I was speaking about that time and place. Prince called the Oklahoma State game in 07 (which we lost due to horrible D and a last second FG), and the CU game that year b/c Franklin had a funeral to go to. The offense was exceptional both games, and had a TE not fumbled inside the ten (I think that was the case), we would have scored over 40+ in both games.
Prince was a better OC than Franklin was, which was the point I was trying to make.
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Yeah, Prince's original staff was decent, and there's no doubt Franklin is a recruiting machine. But . . . but if Franklin is going to "control" an offense like he did at K-State, and like he did at Maryland, he'll be mediocre at best at Vandy. Which just might be good enough, but like Prince, he proved time and again at K-State and Maryland that he had a very bad feel for the overall game.
Our offense was actually much better when Prince called the games. That's absolutely true.
But, hopefully, Franklin realizes that he just needs to hire a good coordinator and let him actually call the game.
The offense has actually been much better over the past 2 years than it was with Prince and Franklin, considering the capabilities of the defense.
I was speaking about that time and place. Prince called the Oklahoma State game in 07 (which we lost due to horrible D and a last second FG), and the CU game that year b/c Franklin had a funeral to go to. The offense was exceptional both games, and had a TE not fumbled inside the ten (I think that was the case), we would have scored over 40+ in both games.
Prince was a better OC than Franklin was, which was the point I was trying to make.
Oh, I see. I agree completely, then.
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2 more seasons of this and we get to call it the Decade of Crap -- video to include a missing punter, getting trucked for obscene amounts of yardage on the ground against opponents at all levels, McKinney leading the band after a big win vs. Illinois State, and 2 crackers carrying OB off the field
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Yeah, Prince's original staff was decent, and there's no doubt Franklin is a recruiting machine. But . . . but if Franklin is going to "control" an offense like he did at K-State, and like he did at Maryland, he'll be mediocre at best at Vandy. Which just might be good enough, but like Prince, he proved time and again at K-State and Maryland that he had a very bad feel for the overall game.
Our offense was actually much better when Prince called the games. That's absolutely true.
But, hopefully, Franklin realizes that he just needs to hire a good coordinator and let him actually call the game.
The offense has actually been much better over the past 2 years than it was with Prince and Franklin, considering the capabilities of the defense.
I was speaking about that time and place. Prince called the Oklahoma State game in 07 (which we lost due to horrible D and a last second FG), and the CU game that year b/c Franklin had a funeral to go to. The offense was exceptional both games, and had a TE not fumbled inside the ten (I think that was the case), we would have scored over 40+ in both games.
Prince was a better OC than Franklin was, which was the point I was trying to make.
As the most senior representative of our slow, white TEs, I've always blamed Mastrud for both games. I refuse to be corrected.
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Prince's original staff was actually pretty decent in retrospect.
Raheem Morris - Duh
James Franklin - TBD
Wallerstedt - He was every bit as good as Cosh (probably better since he most likely didn't drool all over himself 24 hours a day)
Horton - Became an ace recruiter at Arkansas
Tibs - He was a good special teams coach, FWIW
Pat Washington - Had just come from Tennessee
James Jones - Eh, meh.
Mo Latimore - Mo's Mo
Tim McCarty - He was always worthless, so that decreases the overall grade
Never felt like Prince Ron knew what he was doing, with his staff or players, except for the Texas games. The "Bunny" episode in Hays during the Catbacker event proved that Prince couldn't manage relations with donors/alumni.
This is what always bothered me about KSU fans and their analysis of Ron Prince. They never had the ability to grade him on different facets of his abilities. You would talk about one thing he did well, and some idiot (not you; mostly people on GPC) would immediately talk about what he said at a nut fry in some small town somewhere.
Ron Prince did a lot of things very badly. He did some things decently. He did a few things well. His first staff was a good D1 staff. He was bad at keeping staff, and after his small network was tapped after one year, he had trouble finding suitable replacements.
I guess what I don't understand, and probably never will, is why it's not possible for people to look at him and say, "He did this well, he did this poorly, he did this well, he did this poorly, etc." I guess that and the propensity for people to throw in what happened at some Catbacker event just seems to boggle my mind.
That Hays Catbacker event was pretty monumental in how people who give money to K-State football saw Ron Prince, and money began to dry up. It wasn't inconsequential, and was not mentioned as an aside. He pissed a LOT of people off at that deal, including those with checkbooks--big checkbooks. Managing donor and alumni relations is part of being a head coach.
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Prince's original staff was actually pretty decent in retrospect.
Raheem Morris - Duh
James Franklin - TBD
Wallerstedt - He was every bit as good as Cosh (probably better since he most likely didn't drool all over himself 24 hours a day)
Horton - Became an ace recruiter at Arkansas
Tibs - He was a good special teams coach, FWIW
Pat Washington - Had just come from Tennessee
James Jones - Eh, meh.
Mo Latimore - Mo's Mo
Tim McCarty - He was always worthless, so that decreases the overall grade
Never felt like Prince Ron knew what he was doing, with his staff or players, except for the Texas games. The "Bunny" episode in Hays during the Catbacker event proved that Prince couldn't manage relations with donors/alumni.
This is what always bothered me about KSU fans and their analysis of Ron Prince. They never had the ability to grade him on different facets of his abilities. You would talk about one thing he did well, and some idiot (not you; mostly people on GPC) would immediately talk about what he said at a nut fry in some small town somewhere.
Ron Prince did a lot of things very badly. He did some things decently. He did a few things well. His first staff was a good D1 staff. He was bad at keeping staff, and after his small network was tapped after one year, he had trouble finding suitable replacements.
I guess what I don't understand, and probably never will, is why it's not possible for people to look at him and say, "He did this well, he did this poorly, he did this well, he did this poorly, etc." I guess that and the propensity for people to throw in what happened at some Catbacker event just seems to boggle my mind.
That Hays Catbacker event was pretty monumental in how people who give money to K-State football saw Ron Prince, and money began to dry up. It wasn't inconsequential, and was not mentioned as an aside. He pissed a LOT of people off at that deal, including those with checkbooks--big checkbooks. Managing donor and alumni relations is part of being a head coach.
Sorry for having to ask, but what happened on that faithful night in Hays, KS?
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
Fitting name
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
Fitting name
Ron :confused:
Surprised you don't remember him. He was the guy that sucked at pretty much everything, but had one awesome quality that the current coach doesn't have and it is killing the program. He was fireable.
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
Fitting name
Ron :confused:
Surprised you don't remember him. He was the guy that sucked at pretty much everything, but had one awesome quality that the current coach doesn't have and it is killing the program. He was fireable.
also entertaining
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
Fitting name
Ron :confused:
Surprised you don't remember him. He was the guy that sucked at pretty much everything, but had one awesome quality that the current coach doesn't have and it is killing the program. He was fireable.
also entertaining
edit, he had 2 main qualities the current coach doesn't have and they were both awesome.
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
Fitting name
Ron :confused:
Surprised you don't remember him. He was the guy that sucked at pretty much everything, but had one awesome quality that the current coach doesn't have and it is killing the program. He was fireable.
also entertaining
true story: Ron Prince was the reason I discovered message boards existed
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
Fitting name
Ron :confused:
Surprised you don't remember him. He was the guy that sucked at pretty much everything, but had one awesome quality that the current coach doesn't have and it is killing the program. He was fireable.
also entertaining
Recruited NFL QB's
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
Fitting name
Ron :confused:
Surprised you don't remember him. He was the guy that sucked at pretty much everything, but had one awesome quality that the current coach doesn't have and it is killing the program. He was fireable.
also entertaining
Recruited NFL QB's
ran off the FPs and TCs that really wanted to be here rather than players that were actually good
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Ron was so good at recruiting QBs that we were left with CCQ after he left. Thanks Ron!
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
Fitting name
Ron :confused:
Surprised you don't remember him. He was the guy that sucked at pretty much everything, but had one awesome quality that the current coach doesn't have and it is killing the program. He was fireable.
also entertaining
true story: Ron Prince was the reason I discovered message boards existed
please give details.
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I guess what I don't understand, and probably never will, is why it's not possible for people to look at him and say, "He did this well, he did this poorly, he did this well, he did this poorly, etc."
:opcat: + Not Snyder
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
Fitting name
Ron :confused:
Surprised you don't remember him. He was the guy that sucked at pretty much everything, but had one awesome quality that the current coach doesn't have and it is killing the program. He was fireable.
also entertaining
true story: Ron Prince was the reason I discovered message boards existed
the reason i found ksufans.
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I think giving bunny ears during donor photo-ops was great.
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I think giving bunny ears during donor photo-ops was great.
I refuse to believe that anybody who was going to donate a large sum of money to the university withheld their donation because of this. They simply withheld their donations because Ron was black. Moral of the story: Ron should have been born white.
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I think giving bunny ears during donor photo-ops was great.
I refuse to believe that anybody who was going to donate a large sum of money to the university withheld their donation because of this. They simply withheld their donations because Ron was black. Moral of the story: Ron should have been born white.
yes, LHC Bill Snyder bunny ears's jack vanier and he donates an extra million for the laughs
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
Fitting name
Ron :confused:
Surprised you don't remember him. He was the guy that sucked at pretty much everything, but had one awesome quality that the current coach doesn't have and it is killing the program. He was fireable.
also entertaining
true story: Ron Prince was the reason I discovered message boards existed
please give details.
nothing exciting. used to go to kstatefootball.com back in the days before google news alerts ("kstate football" was more or less the limit of my internet search skills at the time; found it when i was looking for a place to listen to games online when I was out of the country). one day, some dude posted a link to kstatefans' "first to report!" that Prince was hired. that's when i found ksf and was promptly PIed by chums1 (who had a cincinatti red or something as has av back then). Did not know any other place existed until like a year later. I just remember wondering what happened to the guy with the glowing marshmellow man av who made weird photoshops of tea parties and the guy with the "stats" blog who actually knew about bball. Did not discover fans until somebody posted an illicit link on ksf (at which point I was promptly PIed by SD).
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at which point I was promptly PIed by SD
I rarely PI anyone anymore. leave it to the youth.
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
Fitting name
Ron :confused:
Surprised you don't remember him. He was the guy that sucked at pretty much everything, but had one awesome quality that the current coach doesn't have and it is killing the program. He was fireable.
also entertaining
true story: Ron Prince was the reason I discovered message boards existed
please give details.
nothing exciting. used to go to kstatefootball.com back in the days before google news alerts ("kstate football" was more or less the limit of my internet search skills at the time; found it when i was looking for a place to listen to games online when I was out of the country). one day, some dude posted a link to kstatefans' "first to report!" that Prince was hired. that's when i found ksf and was promptly PIed by chums1 (who had a cincinatti red or something as has av back then). Did not know any other place existed until like a year later. I just remember wondering what happened to the guy with the glowing marshmellow man av who made weird photoshops of tea parties and the guy with the "stats" blog who actually knew about bball. Did not discover fans until somebody posted an illicit link on ksf (at which point I was promptly PIed by SD).
Man I remember my first PI from SD like it was yesterday.
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at which point I was promptly PIed by SD
I rarely PI anyone anymore. leave it to the youth.
fff PI'd me pretty badly back in the day.
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at which point I was promptly PIed by SD
I rarely PI anyone anymore. leave it to the youth.
fff PI'd me pretty badly back in the day.
fff used to make me feel very small at times
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I would take Ron back right now. :frown:
Fitting name
Ron :confused:
Surprised you don't remember him. He was the guy that sucked at pretty much everything, but had one awesome quality that the current coach doesn't have and it is killing the program. He was fireable.
also entertaining
true story: Ron Prince was the reason I discovered message boards existed
please give details.
nothing exciting. used to go to kstatefootball.com back in the days before google news alerts ("kstate football" was more or less the limit of my internet search skills at the time; found it when i was looking for a place to listen to games online when I was out of the country). one day, some dude posted a link to kstatefans' "first to report!" that Prince was hired. that's when i found ksf and was promptly PIed by chums1 (who had a cincinatti red or something as has av back then). Did not know any other place existed until like a year later. I just remember wondering what happened to the guy with the glowing marshmellow man av who made weird photoshops of tea parties and the guy with the "stats" blog who actually knew about bball. Did not discover fans until somebody posted an illicit link on ksf (at which point I was promptly PIed by SD).
kstatefootball.com... I used to send them links and stuff. Then they went premium. :shakesfist:
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at which point I was promptly PIed by SD
I rarely PI anyone anymore. leave it to the youth.
fff PI'd me pretty badly back in the day.
fff used to make me feel very small at times
he said some exceptionally mean and hurtful things to me on ksf
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kstatefootball.com... I used to send them links and stuff. Then they went premium. :shakesfist:
yeah. that's when I quit going more or less. from what I understand, they do still have the definitive online archive of KU jokes.
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kstatefootball.com... I used to send them links and stuff. Then they went premium. :shakesfist:
yeah. that's when I quit going more or less. from what I understand, they do still have the definitive online archive of KU jokes.
I don't doubt that.