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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: OregonSmock on February 23, 2010, 04:13:44 PM
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....is the first coach since John Wooden to win six straight conference championships. If there's a better coach in the country right now, I'd like to hear who you think it is.
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Callipari seems to be doing well. Amazing how he can bring a #1 recruiting class to Kentucky without even coaching there for a year. Have you seen Cousins and Wall? AMAZING!
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And massa did so by only getting placed on probation once. At least so far.
Hats off.
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Callipari seems to be doing well. Amazing how he can bring a #1 recruiting class to Kentucky without even coaching there for a year. Have you seen Cousins and Wall? AMAZING!
this. its not even close
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And massa did so by only getting placed on probation once. At least so far.
Hats off.
Nope. That was Roy Williams.
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Callipari seems to be doing well. Amazing how he can bring a #1 recruiting class to Kentucky without even coaching there for a year. Have you seen Cousins and Wall? AMAZING!
That's pretty funny, considering Self won a national title against Calipari in '08.
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There are coaches who can recruit better than Self and many who can coach X's and O's better. But when you take into account both, Self is probably near the top right now. The 6 straight titles doesn't show much except the fact that the Big XII has been down for a while. It's getting better though.
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This is the best the Big 12 has ever been, and KU is three games away from going 16-0 and undefeated.
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We won't know if this is the best the Big 12 has "ever been" until the NCAA tournament.
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This is the best the Big 12 has ever been, and KU is three games away from going 16-0 and undefeated.
Come on BMW, the Big 12 has been the least smelly turd in college basketball this season and KU is the least smelly piece of corn in that turd.
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Self has done a good job of keeping the best team in the country, the best team in the country?
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....is the first coach since John Wooden to win six straight conference championships. If there's a better coach in the country right now, I'd like to hear who you think it is.
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Dont even put Self in Woodens league yet...Wooden has what 10, 11 NATIONAL TITLES...? Self 1
When people talk about UCLA and Wooden era they dont drool over how many frickn conf titles he won, its the NATIONAL TITLES people will remember..
Let that sink in for a minute Beamy...
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This is the best the Big 12 has ever been, and KU is three games away from going 16-0 and undefeated.
Come on BMW, the Big 12 has been the least smelly turd in college basketball this season and KU is the least smelly piece of corn in that turd.
Probably the best summary of the NCAA Mens BB landscape I have heard this year.
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Congrats coach self.
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This is the best the Big 12 has ever been, and KU is three games away from going 16-0 and undefeated.
Come on BMW, the Big 12 has been the least smelly turd in college basketball this season and KU is the least smelly piece of corn in that turd.
Probably the best summary of the NCAA Mens BB landscape I have heard this year.
Invalidators unite!!!
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pretty incredible. sorry we couldn't have made it more interesting. if only Dom could have finished or made a sweet pass to Kelly at the end of regulation in that one game :cry:
this is the best the big 12 has been. at least since the early years when ISU and Mizzou were solid programs.
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No way he doesn't win a national title. Just no way. If he doesn't you'd have to look into some kind of conspiracy or point fixing Donaghy type thing.
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And massa did so by only getting placed on probation once. At least so far.
Hats off.
Nope. That was Roy Williams.
Bill Self
Kansas head coach
Hired by the Universty of Kansas April 21, 2003
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2623252 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2623252)
By Pat Forde
ESPN.com
Archive
With the news Thursday that Kansas basketball is (back) in the NCAA pokey, it might be time to measure the elite programs of America's shadiest college sport a little differently.
In addition to banners, let's document probations. Open the record book, tap into the NCAA infractions database. Now read the following Who's Who list and ask yourself: Can you win big, over the long haul, without cheating?
Kansas Jayhawks
Titles: 2 (1952, 1988)
Final Fours: 12 (1940, 1952, 1953, 1957, 1971, 1974, 1986, 1988, 1991, 1993, 2002, 2003)
Major NCAA infractions: 5
Start with the Jayhawks, since they're the program in the news today: two NCAA Tournament championships, 12 Final Fours ... and now five NCAA probations for men's basketball. When you're a minus-three in the titles-to-probations ratio, that's not good.
Kansas began the Roy Williams Era in the late 1980s on a postseason ban, due to the sins committed by Larry Brown on his way to the 1988 national championship. Fitting, then, that St. Roy The Dadgum Pious' reign in Lawrence officially closed Thursday on violations cited by the NCAA: payments of more than $5,000 from a booster to two prospects and their families; and two other boosters providing graduation gifts to players with the knowledge of Kansas athletic department officials -- including St. Roy, according to the Committee on Infractions report. Most of those violations occurred before Williams left for North Carolina.
UCLA Bruins
Titles: 11 (1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1995)
Final Fours: 16 (1962, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1980, 1995, 2006)
Major NCAA infractions: 3
Move on to UCLA. The Bruins won 11 NCAA Tournament championships, far more than everyone else. But the NCAA Committee on Infractions database also credits the Bruins with three major rules violations. All of them occurred after John Wooden hung up his wand in Westwood, which means the rumors about Sam Gilbert's work for the program never stuck.
Move next to Kentucky. The Wildcats have won seven national titles Kentucky Wildcats
Titles: 7 (1948, 1949, 1951, 1958, 1978, 1996, 1998)
Final Fours: 13 (1942, 1948, 1949, 1951, 1958, 1966, 1975, 1978, 1984, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
Major NCAA infractions: 4
among four coaches -- the only school to cut down the nets with any more than three different coaches. But UK basketball has quite the tradition of NCAA malfeasance as well: four cases in the major-infraction database, including the very first death penalty, even if it wasn't called that. Kentucky's entire 1953-54 season was canceled because of rules violations. The Cats might not have invented cheating, but they seem to have been good at it before anybody else.
North Carolina Tar Heels
Titles: 5 (1924, 1957, 1982, 1993, 2005)
Final Fours: 17 (1946, 1957, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1972, 1977, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1991, 1993, 1995, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2005)
NCAA infractions: 1
How about North Carolina? Surely the squeaky-clean Tar Heels have no NCAA rap sheet, right? Nope. The Tar Heels were tagged with a one-year postseason ban in 1961 for "improper entertainment and lodging" and "improper recruiting entertainment." And now their current coach has earned himself a frickin' footnote as the coach of record during the malfeasance at Kansas.
Duke Blue Devils
Titles: 3 (1991, 1992, 2001)
Final Fours: 13 (1963, 1964, 1966, 1978, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1999, 2001, 2004)
NCAA infractions: 1
Let's try Duke, owner of three NCAA championships. Certainly the circumspect Dookies are as perfect as they purport to be. Or maybe not. In August 1972, the NCAA hit Duke with a one-year postseason ban. And while few coaches have a rep as shiny as Mike Krzyzewski's, some people love to chirp about a few players of recent vintage -- most notably Corey Maggette's involvement with outright AAU renegade Myron Piggie.
Indiana Hoosiers
Titles: 5 (1940, 1953, 1976, 1981, 1987)
Final Fours: 8 (1940, 1953, 1973, 1976, 1981, 1987, 1992, 2002)
NCAA infractions: 0*
* Current coach Kelvin Sampson prohibited from off-campus recruiting for actions at Oklahoma
So we turn to Indiana. A beacon of morality in the darkness. An exemplar of virtue in a den of thieves. Five national titles, zero major infractions in men's basketball. Here's to clean livin'.
But wait. What about the current coach of the Hoosiers, Mr. Kelvin Sampson? IU hired Sampson last spring, knowing he had admitted to major violations at Oklahoma. Sure enough, the NCAA brought the hammer down on Sampson in late May, prohibiting off-campus recruiting and officially transferring some of the taint of scandal from Norman to previously pristine Bloomington.
Now, fans of every school on this list will undoubtedly rationalize their way out of past sins while eagerly pointing the finger at their rivals. But it's all moral relativism in a sport where the cynical among us -- yep, that's me -- can easily suspect that everybody's doing something shady.
And lets' face it: screaming, "What about THEM?" isn't the noblest defense.
Kansas fans have taken predictable glee at the serial scams of their border rival, Missouri. And the Quin Snyder-led Tigers deserved every potshot they took, every hit to a reputation that already was damaged by Norm Stewart and his staff in the early 1990s.
But then the boomerang comes back to Lawrence and clonks the Jayhawks in the head. Again.
The aspect of the Kansas case that should trouble its fans most was the trip a booster (identified in media reports as Don Davis) gave to a recruit (identified as current Jayhawk Darnell Jackson) and his AAU coach for the 2004 NCAA Tournament regional semifinals and final. The booster paid for all transportation, lodging and meals for both the player and AAU coach, according to the NCAA report.
Not only that, the report says the three had the temerity to get comp tickets from the school for those games, listed as guests of a Kansas player. Checking comp ticket lists should be fairly elementary work, either by the compliance office or a member of the basketball staff. Names of non-family members should be red-flagged and checked out.
But most compliance offices lack sufficient manpower to do their due diligence. At some point, they have to count on coaches, boosters and players all to do the right thing when nobody's looking.
And as the NCAA major infractions database shows, college basketball has a rich history of failing to do just that. The elite programs have a history of cutting almost as many compliance corners as championship nets.
Pat Forde is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
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Callipari seems to be doing well. Amazing how he can bring a #1 recruiting class to Kentucky without even coaching there for a year. Have you seen Cousins and Wall? AMAZING!
That's pretty funny, considering Self won a national title against Calipari in '08.
Living in the past are we? :facepalm:
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Callipari seems to be doing well. Amazing how he can bring a #1 recruiting class to Kentucky without even coaching there for a year. Have you seen Cousins and Wall? AMAZING!
That's pretty funny, considering Self won a national title against Calipari in '08.
Living in the past are we? :facepalm:
Ummm... no. KU is 27-1 and ranked #1 in the country right now.
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....is the first coach since John Wooden to win six straight conference championships. If there's a better coach in the country right now, I'd like to hear who you think it is.
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Beamer you never responded to my post..
Explain how your theory of Woodens 11 NC's is equal to Selfs 1 NC...lets hear it... Hell even Billy Donovans 2 NC's is greater than Selfs 1
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the reply to willie but not zappa seems very telling
:blindfold: ku fan who tries to hide from cheating past
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....is the first coach since John Wooden to win six straight conference championships. If there's a better coach in the country right now, I'd like to hear who you think it is.
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Beamer you never responded to my post..
Explain how your theory of Woodens 11 NC's is equal to Selfs 1 NC...lets hear it... Hell even Billy Donovans 2 NC's is greater than Selfs 1
What are you blabbering about, Dipshit? My initial post simply says that Bill Self is the first coach since John Wooden to win six straight conference titles. Are those KKK meetings causing brain damage?
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....is the first coach since John Wooden to win six straight conference championships. If there's a better coach in the country right now, I'd like to hear who you think it is.
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Beamer you never responded to my post..
Explain how your theory of Woodens 11 NC's is equal to Selfs 1 NC...lets hear it... Hell even Billy Donovans 2 NC's is greater than Selfs 1
What are you blabbering about, Dipshit? My initial post simply says that Bill Self is the first coach since John Wooden to win six straight conference titles. Are those KKK meetings causing brain damage?
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Could you limit your ku threads to one per week, makes me wanna :chainsaw: to every ku fan i see
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Nope. That was Roy Williams.
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Nope. Everyone (KU fans) wants to blame Roy and and crushed like a dove...
but the most damaging allegations happened after Lew and Bill were hired.
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....is the first coach since John Wooden to win six straight conference championships. If there's a better coach in the country right now, I'd like to hear who you think it is.
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Beamer you never responded to my post..
Explain how your theory of Woodens 11 NC's is equal to Selfs 1 NC...lets hear it... Hell even Billy Donovans 2 NC's is greater than Selfs 1
What are you blabbering about, Dipshit? My initial post simply says that Bill Self is the first coach since John Wooden to win six straight conference titles. Are those KKK meetings causing brain damage?
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Everything about you just screams mommy! From the constant dicklicking to the...well you get the point..
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When you're a minus-three in the titles-to-probations ratio, that's not good.
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I love how Ben just come here waiting for us to stroke it to him.
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I have to say, Beamer, that is a very impressive picture of Self. Although I would really like to despise Self, I can't because he really is an excellent coach. Therefore, I have great respect and admiration for him.
I am really enjoying the fact that both Kansas teams are exceptional this year. Overall, it brings great national basketball respect to our state.
Saying this, I still want to beat the crap out of KU every chance we get.
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I guess HCFM will win more than 6 in the near future since he's done something in only yr 3 that BS has yet to do in his ?? yrs of coaching...win in Lubbock.
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Based on head-to-head records I was going to suggest Pat Flannery but he no longer coaches, so I will say Jim Les.
....is the first coach since John Wooden to win six straight conference championships. If there's a better coach in the country right now, I'd like to hear who you think it is.
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When you're a minus-three in the titles-to-probations ratio, that's not good.
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nobody has taken adv of an unbalanced schedule better than self i'll give him that. if tex or ou played the same schedule they'd prob have half those titles at least, and prob a share of the rest.
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nobody has taken adv of an unbalanced schedule better than self i'll give him that. if tex or ou played the same schedule they'd prob have half those titles at least, and prob a share of the rest.
True.
I'm glad we are finally taking advantage of this. Though we'll likely finish 7-3 vs the North, the goal should be 8-2 minimum given the current state of the Nortards.
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nobody has taken adv of an unbalanced schedule better than self i'll give him that. if tex or ou played the same schedule they'd prob have half those titles at least, and prob a share of the rest.
True.
I'm glad we are finally taking advantage of this. Though we'll likely finish 7-3 vs the North, the goal should be 8-2 minimum given the current state of the Nortards.
the nortards are better, collectively, than they've been during any of the martin years. ku/ksu/mu are undefeated against them because they're better, collectively, than they've been during that span. and also, because they've been lucky.
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Nebraska is terrible, ISU has talent but isn't stable, CU is wooly ksu.
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....is the first coach since John Wooden to win six straight conference championships.
OMG, you're an idiot. And you dress funny.
Love,
Jerry Tarkanian (winner of 10 titles in a row)
Wish I had noticed this idiotic thread earlier.
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....is the first coach since John Wooden to win six straight conference championships. If there's a better coach in the country right now, I'd like to hear who you think it is.
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Mark Few and his ten straight Conf Titles says you're a f*cking idiot
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This is the best the Big 12 has ever been, and KU is three games away from going 16-0 and undefeated.
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Well, coach Bill showed his true colors after losing to the 'Pokes...acted like a fracking sore losing crybaby and a poor sport.
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Well, coach Bill showed his true colors after losing to the 'Pokes...acted like a fracking sore losing crybaby and a poor sport.
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