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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: jtksu on June 05, 2011, 05:23:39 PM
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Knew the kid was a hell of a baseball player but I didn't know he was top 5 overall good. The Royals are expected to draft him with the 5th pick tomorrow. The article I read said he is clearly the best high school athlete in the draft. Pretty impressive stuff.
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Uh...wrong. Royals will NOT be drafting Bubba.
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Just a newspaper article buddy, no need to get your butt all hurt about it.
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guest on Soren's show last week mentioned this. Didn't get all the detail, I usually switch off Soren pretty quick, but the guy was def talking about the Royals and Bubba.
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Knew the kid was a hell of a baseball player but I didn't know he was top 5 overall good. The Royals are expected to draft him with the 5th pick tomorrow. The article I read said he is clearly the best high school athlete in the draft. Pretty impressive stuff.
if the royals draft him, he'll probably end up at nebraska
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Just a newspaper article buddy, no need to get your butt all hurt about it.
Yeah that sounded snippy but wasn't intended to...i was in a hurry. Starling is a hell of a prospect but the draft is loaded with pitching and the Royals clearly need starting pitching. I don't see the Royals drafting him and think he gets picked in the 10-20 range.
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The article mentioned that the Royals considered him to be a Joe Mauer/Albert Pujols type of possibility. Would be a PR nightmare if the kid ends up being a stud for someone else down the road. But yeah, this draft is high on pitchers and low on hitters so taking a bigtime college pitcher wouRoyals.ld make a lot of sense for the Royals.
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And I don't see anyway he plays college football next year. He can take the first round (guaranteed) money and always go back later and play football. If he plays football for 4 years, no way does he get taken in the 1st round of the MLB draft again.
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Uh...wrong. Royals will NOT be drafting Bubba.
:horrorsurprise:
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SD, what was George Brett's reaction when he phoned you earlier about the draft pick?
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Uh...wrong. Royals will NOT be drafting Bubba.
:horrorsurprise:
fuktard is a fuktard
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SD, what was George Brett's reaction when he phoned you earlier about the draft pick?
Probably told him some hilarious vegas story about shitting his pants
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Uh...wrong. Royals will NOT be drafting Bubba.
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fuktard is a fuktard
He's a Boras guy they won't be able to sign him.
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Uh...wrong. Royals will NOT be drafting Bubba.
:horrorsurprise:
never underestimate the KC'eo of the Royals. Never.
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Nothing bad about this pick at all. Dude was projected as the 3rd best player in the draft. Do you think the Royals should have not drafted him because he's local? :confused: And Boras won't be able to treat this as he normally would because if he forces Bubba to hold out, Bubba plays for Nubb and Scott doesn't get a dime.
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I heard he hates the Royals and would play for Nebraska if they picked him.
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Seems like the Royals would know that. Besides, who hates the Royals? Ton of people don't give a crap about the Royals but nobody actually hates them. That's like hating the dead squirrel on the side of the road.
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Uh...wrong. Royals will NOT be drafting Bubba.
:horrorsurprise:
fuktard is a fuktard
He's a Borias guy they won't be able to sign him. Just like they couldn't sign Luke Hochevar, and Eric Hosmer
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Uh...wrong. Royals will NOT be drafting Bubba.
:horrorsurprise:
fuktard is a fuktard
He's a Borias guy they won't be able to sign him. Just like they couldn't sign Luke Hochevar, and Eric Hosmer
They got Hochevar because he sat out dumbass
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Uh...wrong. Royals will NOT be drafting Bubba.
:horrorsurprise:
fuktard is a fuktard
He's a Borias guy they won't be able to sign him. Just like they couldn't sign Luke Hochevar, and Eric Hosmer
They got Hochevar because he sat out dumbass
:lol:
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Hochevar was selected by Los Angeles Dodgers in the 39th round (1,191st overall) of the 2002 MLB amateur entry draft, but decided on college instead. Hochevar attended University of Tennessee. In 2005, he struck out a school record 154 batters while posting a 15-3 record and 2.26 ERA for the season. He was named the Southeastern Conference Pitcher of the Year and Roger Clemens Award.[2]
The Dodgers would select Hochevar again, this time in the first round (40th overall) of the 2005 draft. After heated, desperate negotiations between the Dodgers, Hochevar, and his agent Scott Boras, Hochevar suddenly switched agents to Matt Sosnick, accepted a $2.98 million signing bonus from scouting director Logan White, then returned to Boras the next day and reneged on the deal. Several months of lukewarm talks continued with Hochevar pitching in an independent league (where he struck out 34 batters in 22.2 innings), but amidst much bitterness, the two sides never came close to reaching a new agreement.
He re-entered the draft again in 2006 and was selected first overall by the Kansas City Royals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Hochevar
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Nothing bad about this pick at all. Dude was projected as the 3rd best player in the draft. Do you think the Royals should have not drafted him because he's local? :confused: And Boras won't be able to treat this as he normally would because if he forces Bubba to hold out, Bubba plays for Nubb and Scott doesn't get a dime.
My opinion is the Royals should've tried to grab a pitcher even after Bundy came off the board. Given the Royal's limited resources paying for Bubba is foolish. If he does go to Nebraska it is an unmitigated disaster. And lastly, who knows what Bubba wants to do really? I don't. If Bubba has much interest in college at all it is a huge advantage for Boras/Bubba not the Royals. The idea that the Royals are going to win a staring contest with Boras, or out maneuver him in negotiations is preposterous.
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Bubba is a lifelong Royals fan, plus is buddies with a royals scout and a guy already in the farm system. He'll sign. Glass has been very good with signing draftees lately...not really worried.
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They have signed well because they have been drafting on signability. They passed on that kid from Fullerton because they knew they couldn't sign him.
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Bubba is a lifelong Royals fan, plus is buddies with a royals scout and a guy already in the farm system. He'll sign. Glass has been very good with signing draftees lately...not really worried.
If Bubba is stupid enough to turn down Top 5 money (with Boras as his agent, no less) with an organization that is more than patient with its top prospects, the Royals are better off for getting a compensatory pick for him.
If playing for Bo Pellini or becoming a guaranteed multi-millionaire at eighteen is a tough choice for you, you may as well take your future and set it on fire. You obviously didn't care about it enough to begin with.
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They have signed well because they have been drafting on signability. They passed on that kid from Fullerton because they knew they couldn't sign him.
That's actually not necessarily correct. They have actually been building the farm system by paying for young talent (especially the foreign guys) that was perceived as "overpriced" and too risky for the money.
Dayton Moore will pay for players. He just won't pay for college players. It's a prudent strategy.
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I don't you quite understand the uniqueness of this situation. If he plays for Nubb, Boras will get zero dollars. Sure, Bubba might decide to use Boras again in 3 or 4 yrs, if he plays college baseball and decides to play it professionally at that point but what are the odds of him being picked higher than #5? If Bubba was drafted in the later rounds, the temptation to go to college may be higher but he won't be able to turn down the kind of money he will be offered.
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I don't you quite understand the uniqueness of this situation. If he plays for Nubb, Boras will get zero dollars. Sure, Bubba might decide to use Boras again in 3 or 4 yrs, if he plays college baseball and decides to play it professionally at that point but what are the odds of him being picked higher than #5? If Bubba was drafted in the later rounds, the temptation to go to college may be higher but he won't be able to turn down the kind of money he will be offered.
Normally, people cringe when they hear "Boras". In this instance, I think it's a big positive for the Royals.
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I don't you quite understand the uniqueness of this situation. If he plays for Nubb, Boras will get zero dollars. Sure, Bubba might decide to use Boras again in 3 or 4 yrs, if he plays college baseball and decides to play it professionally at that point but what are the odds of him being picked higher than #5? If Bubba was drafted in the later rounds, the temptation to go to college may be higher but he won't be able to turn down the kind of money he will be offered.
Did you even read my first post or listen to yourself? That is the criticism you dunce. That Boras/Bubba have a lot of leverage and it is my opinion that they should continue to stockpile arms and spend their money better. And you seem pretty sure about what is going on in the mind of an 18 year old named Bubba.
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Every top draft pick has a lot of leverage. Every one. Bubba has less than most though because, if Boras wants to get paid he needs to sign. Boras won't have the luxury of telling his player to play college baseball, go back to college baseball, or go play Indy ball for a year. It's either sign now or go play football. (Which he could still do down the road, with millions in his pocket.) Plus, Bubba doesn't have the kind of pull that a Strasburg or Harper did because he hasn't proven himself at higher levels yet. A high school kid drafted this early has basically zero reason to not sign because the money won't get any better down the road.
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:lol: at thinking Boras needs the money.
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:lol: at you for thinking that Boras is in it for anything besides the money. You really think that dude takes on charity cases and doesn't care about getting paid? Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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Every top draft pick has a lot of leverage. Every one. Bubba has less than most though because, if Boras wants to get paid he needs to sign. Boras won't have the luxury of telling his player to play college baseball, go back to college baseball, or go play Indy ball for a year. It's either sign now or go play football. (Which he could still do down the road, with millions in his pocket.) Plus, Bubba doesn't have the kind of pull that a Strasburg or Harper did because he hasn't proven himself at higher levels yet. A high school kid drafted this early has basically zero reason to not sign because the money won't get any better down the road.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/scott-boras-cli.html (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/scott-boras-cli.html)
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Hoch, Moose, Hosmer - all Boras. Bubba will sign. Prob $6 mil or so.
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:lol: at thinking Boras needs the money.
Obviously, he's doing this out of the goodness of his heart and he has no desire whether or not the players he represents sign.
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Seems like Boras gets a lot of kids to sign. Where's the list of his clients that didn't sign?
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:lol: at you for thinking that Boras is in it for anything besides the money. You really think that dude takes on charity cases and doesn't care about getting paid? respect.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/05/which-agency-had-the-biggest-offseason.html
Boras Corporation: $444.475MM. Boras is back on top after ranking third last winter. Contracts for Jayson Werth, Adrian Beltre, Carlos Gonzalez, and Rafael Soriano accounted for much of the total.
(2009) Boras Corporation: $202.23MM. Matt Holliday was Boras' major contract this offseason.
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Hochevar was selected by Los Angeles Dodgers in the 39th round (1,191st overall) of the 2002 MLB amateur entry draft, but decided on college instead. Hochevar attended University of Tennessee. In 2005, he struck out a school record 154 batters while posting a 15-3 record and 2.26 ERA for the season. He was named the Southeastern Conference Pitcher of the Year and Roger Clemens Award.[2]
The Dodgers would select Hochevar again, this time in the first round (40th overall) of the 2005 draft. After heated, desperate negotiations between the Dodgers, Hochevar, and his agent Scott Boras, Hochevar suddenly switched agents to Matt Sosnick, accepted a $2.98 million signing bonus from scouting director Logan White, then returned to Boras the next day and reneged on the deal. Several months of lukewarm talks continued with Hochevar pitching in an independent league (where he struck out 34 batters in 22.2 innings), but amidst much bitterness, the two sides never came close to reaching a new agreement.
He re-entered the draft again in 2006 and was selected first overall by the Kansas City Royals. His agent Scott Boras then negotiated a contract on his behalf and Hochever signed with the Royals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_Hochevar
The Royals quit drafting guys based on "signability" when Dayton Moore was hired. Hosmer, Moustakas, Crow, Melville (1st round guy who slipped b/c of "signability"), were all high priced guys with demanding agents. I'm pretty sure all, except Crow, are Boras guys.
Your point is and was incorrect. Recent history shows the royals draft AND SIGN Boras represented players with reckless abandon.
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:lol: at you for thinking that Boras is in it for anything besides the money. You really think that dude takes on charity cases and doesn't care about getting paid? Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Acutally Boras has a history of talking his players into going to college. I was surprised when i heard this as well, but apparently he's done it more than once...he uses it as leverage to get his players the $$$$ he thinks they deserve. He's a sports fans worst nightmare and I hate the prick but he's the best in the biz.
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If playing college baseball could help get his player more money, that's a smart move. Kinda hard to improve on #5 though. Plus, Bubba will be playing college football.
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Would be playing football, that is.
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Like the pick. Think it will work out well. People are just weird about it because he is a Kansas kid that they have heard of. Make him from California with a fball scholarship offer to usc and people are happy. Kansas. God damn guys. We do have nice things every once and a while.
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If playing college baseball could help get his player more money, that's a smart move. Kinda hard to improve on #5 though. Plus, Bubba will be playing college football.
Boras will start the price off near $10 million and I predict the Royals end up signing for over an $7 million in signing bonus over 5 years. It will look silly.
HTH
http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post/_/id/238/negotiating-with-scott-boras (http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post/_/id/238/negotiating-with-scott-boras)
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You know the Royals won't actually be negotiating with Boras, right? He can't even speak directly to them.
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You know the Royals won't actually be negotiating with Boras, right? He can't even speak directly to them.
Wow. Game changer. Cracked the case.
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Didn't you just post a link to an article about negotiating with Boras? :confused:
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Didn't you just post a link to an article about negotiating with Boras? :confused:
It also includes information about leverage for draftees. But you didn't read it.
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:zzz:
If playing college baseball could help get his player more money, that's a smart move. Kinda hard to improve on #5 though. Plus, Bubba will be playing college football.
Boras will start the price off near $10 million and I predict the Royals end up signing for over an $7 million in signing bonus over 5 years. It will look silly.
HTH
http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post/_/id/238/negotiating-with-scott-boras (http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post/_/id/238/negotiating-with-scott-boras)
Am I wrong or did your link just disagree with your argument? Seems like first round highschool boras clients sign. Boras sounds more than amazing though. If I could switch places with anybody in the world. He'd be top 100.
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:zzz:
If playing college baseball could help get his player more money, that's a smart move. Kinda hard to improve on #5 though. Plus, Bubba will be playing college football.
Boras will start the price off near $10 million and I predict the Royals end up signing for over an $7 million in signing bonus over 5 years. It will look silly.
HTH
http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post/_/id/238/negotiating-with-scott-boras (http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/post/_/id/238/negotiating-with-scott-boras)
Am I wrong or did your link just disagree with your argument? Seems like first round highschool boras clients sign. Boras sounds more than amazing though. If I could switch places with anybody in the world. He'd be top 100.
Go back and read my first and every other post and stop listening to jtksu being an idiot.
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KC'eo? What are we supposed to take from that post? And I believe Prep H makes some stuff to help with your raging butt hurt.
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KC'eo? What are we supposed to take from that post? And I believe Prep H makes some stuff to help with your raging butt hurt.
Recap:
I say Royals made an error. I later clarify.
You start setting up a straw man that my argument is that Bubba is playing football. You make an absurd argument that Bubba has Boras by the balls because he can go play college football and then Boras won't get paid.
I post a list of players that Boras has signed. I post another link showing Boras is prolific and gets huge contracts.
You make some ridiculous argument about how Boras isn't actually negotiating with the Royals because they can't talk face to face.
I think there is a small chance Bubba doesn't sign. I think there is a large chance he signs for more money than he is worth and the Royals look stupid.
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Boras can't contact the Royals at all. A high school kid drafted in the top of the first round has little negotiating ability because everyone knows that him going to college is very unlikely. And I never once insinuated that Bubba has Boras by the balls. I said that Boras will likely advise that Bubba sign because A) Boras wants his cut and B) Bubba is unlikely to improve his stock by going to college. Hell, the dude could blow out a knee and never see a dime. OR he could take the guaranteed bucks and fall back on college football if his baseball career falters.
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Are you arguing with someone that made the argument that Bubba isn't going to sign? Because that isn't my argument.
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No, your argument seems to be that the Royals shouldn't have taken Bubba because he is being advised by Boras and will end up paying him somewhere around a 7 mil bonus. (Hosmer got 6 in 08). Also, you think the Royals need more pitching, even though their entire bullpen is basically rookies and their top prospects are heavily weighted towards pitching. (Dayton has publically stated that he believes you can never have enough pitching prospects.) You seem to ignore the possible gate impact of a hometown player. (Joe Mauer. Who originally signed with FSU to play qb.) Oh, and there's like 60 more picks for them to draft pitchers.
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Kid is a ridiculous athlete, but I've heard from a few kids he played fball with at GE that he's very TCish. :dunno:
Could be a reason why the best athlete this metro area has seen in a while never won a championship in a weak state.
Hope he pans out and excited to see what he does, but his attitude is somewhat concerning.
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No, your argument seems to be that the Royals shouldn't have taken Bubba because he is being advised by Boras and will end up paying him somewhere around a 7 mil bonus. (Hosmer got 6 in 08). Also, you think the Royals need more pitching, even though their entire bullpen is basically rookies and their top prospects are heavily weighted towards pitching. (Dayton has publically stated that he believes you can never have enough pitching prospects.) You seem to ignore the possible gate impact of a hometown player. (Joe Mauer. Who originally signed with FSU to play qb.) Oh, and there's like 60 more picks for them to draft pitchers.
Look, if this kid turns out to be Joe Mauer then you will be proven right regardless of where his mother birthed him. Sure, he still won't be at a premium defensive position but if he is an MVP/All-Star then I guess that would be pretty awesome for the Royals.
I said I don't think this pick is going to be the home run everyone is celebrating. The idea that the Royals shouldn't take an arm top 5 because Nate Adcock, Tim Collins and Aaron Crow are in the bullpen is absurd. Btw, lots of pitchers get injured/fail even top 5 guys and the Royals track record of getting free agent pitchers is atrocious. They need to take lots of arms. Everything else was you flailing around.
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KC'eo? What are we supposed to take from that post? And I believe Prep H makes some stuff to help with your raging butt hurt.
Recap:
I say Royals made an error. I later clarify.
You start setting up a straw man that my argument is that Bubba is playing football. You make an absurd argument that Bubba has Boras by the balls because he can go play college football and then Boras won't get paid.
I post a list of players that Boras has signed. I post another link showing Boras is prolific and gets huge contracts.
You make some ridiculous argument about how Boras isn't actually negotiating with the Royals because they can't talk face to face.
I think there is a small chance Bubba doesn't sign. I think there is a large chance he signs for more money than he is worth and the Royals look stupid.
Lol at trying to predict how much starling is "worth" and an even bigger lol at worrying about the royals looking stupid for signing him. Dear lord tortuga.
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i've never seen someone get destroyed as badly as gooch has in this thread. incredible. well done gooch.
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This kid has the same odds of ever going to college as the drunk 8 year old juggalo. He will sign. This is the highest he will ever go and he isn't an NFL prospect.
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i've never seen someone get destroyed as badly as gooch has in this thread. incredible. well done gooch.
No kidding, after reading all of his post it's almost tough to pick out which one is the most rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). I love how much emphasis he puts on the fact that Starling is advised by Boras. It's like he completely forgot that 4 out of the last 5 years we have chosen a Boras client, and have signed every one of them. KC even kind of threw Boras a bone last year by selecting Colon as early as they did, and Boras paid them back by having Colon sign so early on in the process.
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CF is a premium defensive position.
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From everything I've seen, the Royals where planning on taking one top pitchers, but none fell to them. At that point I think taking Starling was probably the best choice at that point. There was a ton of risk involved with most of the players left (there always is in about 99.9% of baseball draftees) while Bubba probably represented the highest ceiling of anyone left, possibly of any player in this years draft. I've seen him described to as close as major league ready defensively as someone can be who has not focused exclusively on baseball so at the very least the Royals will be getting a quality defensive player at a premium defensive postition and the speed to steal bases. The biggest concern with him is that he hasn't faced high quality pitching, but he's pretty much destroyed the pitching he has faced and any 18 year old is going to need some work batting wise.
As far as signing him goes, they Royals have actually had a decent relationship with Boras over the last few years. Not great (no one has a great relationship with Boras, just whoever throws out the most money) but good enough that he's at least let the Royals in the door as far a negotiating goes. If he doesn't sign the Royals would get a equal pick next year so all the people saying that Starling isn't any good could then complain the Royals didn't sign him and the Royals could grab someone else next year.
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Is Bubba at voluntary workouts in Lincoln? :horrorsurprise:
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They mentioned that during a Royals broadcast a couple days ago. Said the Royals weren't worried though.
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Is Bubba at voluntary workouts in Lincoln? :horrorsurprise:
If so, it is as of no more than 3 or 4 days ago. He was quoted on monday on 810 as not being there and said something about the Royals "not wanting me up there".
If he is, it has to be more about Boras' negotiating leverage than him not wanting to take the $6M for playing a few years in AA ball.
I did hear that he is enrolled in some online Nubb courses though.
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I have really low mlb draft iq but wouldn't this be a pretty unusual move to shun the 6 million?
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Yeah, especially considering he can always go back and play for Nubb if baseball doesn't work out.
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he was on campus last week. don't know if he was working out or not. would be dumb for him not to be there. boras isn't dumb.
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Yeah, especially considering he can always go back and play for Nubb if baseball doesn't work out.
Maybe he's pulling an Elway? :ck:
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Yeah, especially considering he can always go back and play for Nubb if baseball doesn't work out.
Maybe he's pulling an Elway? :ck:
If he goes to college, doesn't he have to wait 3 years to reenter the draft?
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He could go juco and be eligible next year. Kinda doubt he would actually improve on his draft selection spot though. And didn't Elway threaten to play pro ball after college because he didn't want to play for the Browns? Bubba is actually a huge Royals fan so that analogy seems wrong to me.
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I hope he breaks his leg like really bad and is stuck in Nebraska forever.
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Surprised Nubb has online classes. They should learn to walk before they try to run.
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he's not playing football dummies
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can't wait to see him play this fall against some of the best that the big 10 has to offer. i bet this kid stays at nubb for at least two seasons and really spends some time tearing up the gridiron.
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I did hear that he is enrolled in some online Nubb courses though.
Wouldn't the online classes start his NCAA eligibility clock?
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I did hear that he is enrolled in some online Nubb courses though.
Wouldn't the online classes start his NCAA eligibility clock?
Not an issue for lifelong learners that crave knowledge.
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I did hear that he is enrolled in some online Nubb courses though.
Wouldn't the online classes start his NCAA eligibility clock?
Have to be enrolled to pull off the "eff it, we'll just go play for Nubb" bluff.
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If he were to enroll in even online classes he would be stuck there for three years.
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I was thinking more about his prospects of a Weinke/ Weeden type of CFB career but maybe that is of no concern for him
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Article on cbssports.com about the 2.5 million dollar gap between what the Royals have offered and Bubba's magic number. Guess Bubba has said he would sign for a 10 mil bonus but the Royals haven't gotten quite that high yet. Said it's still just a matter of time before he signs though. The comments from Nubbs are rough ridin' hilarious. Everything from "Bubba isn't in it for the money" to "10 mil is nothing after taxes, he should care more about his education." :lol:
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He'll neve amount to anything in baseball.
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I think being a top 5 pick and a future multimillionaire is quite an accomplishment and the kid is only like 18. :dunno:
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Warm up the death threats!
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Article on cbssports.com about the 2.5 million dollar gap between what the Royals have offered and Bubba's magic number. Guess Bubba has said he would sign for a 10 mil bonus but the Royals haven't gotten quite that high yet. Said it's still just a matter of time before he signs though. The comments from Nubbs are effing hilarious. Everything from "Bubba isn't in it for the money" to "10 mil is nothing after taxes, he should care more about his education." :lol:
Wow. Looks like my $7 million figure may have been low. On a team with a $35 million payroll. Amazing.
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Nats managed to sign Harper and Strasburg and they're sitting at about 62 mil this year. (I imagine that includes Harper's signing bonus?) Anyway- KC is going to need to bump theirs up into (at least) the 90s if they're serious about retaining all these young studs they have coming up. Plenty of teams have made similar increases but it seems like they usually happen after some decent success or a new stadium. If the Royals actually do pay their guys, they could be serious contenders for some time. Or, they could just keep their payroll where it is, take the 40 or so they get from revenue sharing and just pocket what they get from tickets, tv, merch, etc. Pittsburgh did it for a long time.
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I did hear that he is enrolled in some online Nubb courses though.
Wouldn't the online classes start his NCAA eligibility clock?
Not an issue for lifelong learners that crave knowledge.
rumblings that this young dedicated scholar will single handedly Restore the Order to the AAU
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Nats managed to sign Harper and Strasburg and they're sitting at about 62 mil this year. (I imagine that includes Harper's signing bonus?) Anyway- KC is going to need to bump theirs up into (at least) the 90s if they're serious about retaining all these young studs they have coming up. Plenty of teams have made similar increases but it seems like they usually happen after some decent success or a new stadium. If the Royals actually do pay their guys, they could be serious contenders for some time. Or, they could just keep their payroll where it is, take the 40 or so they get from revenue sharing and just pocket what they get from tickets, tv, merch, etc. Pittsburgh did it for a long time.
Bubba couldn't carry either of those guy's jock in an industrial sized wheelbarrel.
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No, he couldn't. But, you're also talking about probably the two most anticipated draft picks in recent memory. Just because Starling isn't Harper doesn't mean the Royals shouldn't do everything possible to sign him. When you take a HS kid ikn the top 5, you're expecting him to be a future all star. People expect Harper to be the GOAT.
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No, he couldn't. But, you're also talking about probably the two most anticipated draft picks in recent memory. Just because Starling isn't Harper doesn't mean the Royals shouldn't do everything possible to sign him. When you take a HS kid ikn the top 5, you're expecting him to be a future all star. People expect Harper to be the GOAT.
If they actually offered 7.5 then they have done more than enough and shouldn't even pick up the phone unless it is his bank giving them routing information. That is above slot and he is the highest risk of all the top picks, oh and he is a complete crazy person if he turns down 7.5 to play football at Nub. If he doesn't sign, take the pick and move on. I would have offered 6.
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Most #1s don't even sniff 7.5, he'll most likely sign for that. His only real leverage is college football and everyone knows that's not much leverage. I think the 10 mil was pretty much just and arbitrary number. "If they give me 10 mil, I'll sign right now" type of thing. Guess we'll find out here in about 2 wks.
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Yep, as a Royals fan :dunno: I wish he would get to Arizona and swing a bat instead of being in Lincoln getting hit in the face with Bo spittle.
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The discussion likely revolves around how the money is divided up. Lots of dudes get like 1/2 upfront with the remainder being paid as salary over the contract. Bubba and Boras may be wanting all of it upfront. (Strasburg and Harper got theirs as a lump sum.) IF that's the case, the Royals should just give him the bucks now, no reason to quibble over a few mil when your payroll is as low as the Royals'.
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Please get this dump heap off the football board.
I am not a moderator.
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Nebraska fall football practice starts without Starling
LINCOLN, Neb. | Royals first-round pick Bubba Starling was not on the field Saturday morning as the Nebraska football team opened fall practice.
Starling, a graduate of Gardner Edgerton, signed with Nebraska to play football and baseball before being drafted by the Royals with the No. 5 overall pick in the June draft. Starling has until 11 p.m. Aug. 15 to sign with the Royals.
Nebraska coach Bo Pelini said Starling is not currently on the Huskers’ 105-man roster and therefore not eligible to practice with the team.
“The situation is normal,” Pelini said. “Obviously, he’s got a lot at risk, so we communicated with the family and decided the best way to go about it.”
Pelini said he is holding a roster spot open for Starling until he makes his decision. Starling is being advised by agent Scott Boras.
Pelini wouldn’t say when the decision was made to keep Starling off the 105-man roster and away from the practice field, but said it was “a plan we’ve had for a little while now.”
“He’s still just like anybody else that’s not in the 105(-man roster),” Pelini said. “… It’s no surprise to me or (the Starling family). I think we’re all on the same page.”
Starling and his parents were present at Nebraska Fan Day on Friday afternoon. Starling sat with the quarterbacks and signed autographs and posed for pictures for 90 minutes.
Without Starling, the Huskers have three full-time quarterbacks: returning starter Taylor Martinez, a redshirt sophomore; redshirt freshman Brion Carnes and sophomore Ron Kellogg III. Freshman Jamal Turner is splitting time between receiver and quarterback.
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/08/06/3061236/nebraska-fall-football-practice.html#ixzz1UMak2yK6
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Please get this dump heap off the football board.
I am not a moderator.
:lol:
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Nebraska fans all pissy at Peter Gammons over Bubba Starling tweet.
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Nebraska fans all pissy at Peter Gammons over Bubba Starling tweet.
BITB really enjoying this topic, it brings together some of his favorite talking points like NU myopia, Royal ineptitude, and the evil of Scott Boras
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Nebraska fans all pissy at Peter Gammons over Bubba Starling tweet.
I bet a lot of nebrasshole scum are making fun of the stroke he had
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Is today the last day to sign? Anyone have any good rumblings from our cornfed AOT friends to the north?
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Is today the last day to sign? Anyone have any good rumblings from our cornfed AOT friends to the north?
Yeah, today is it per Fescoe this morning.
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He'll sign with the Royals. Only the delusional NU fans believe he will stay at NU. My take from a NAOTFAN.
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He'll sign with the Royals. Only the delusional NU fans believe he will stay at NU. My take from a NAOTFAN.
Mods, can we get HuskerAOT's handle changed to CatsConvertNOAT? Thanks.
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He'll sign with the Royals. Only the delusional NU fans believe he will stay at NU. My take from a NAOTFAN.
Mods, can we get HuskerAOT's handle changed to CatsConvertNOAT? Thanks.
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He'll sign with the Royals. Only the delusional NU fans believe he will stay at NU. My take from a NAOTFAN.
Mods, can we get HuskerAOT's handle changed to CatsConvertNOAT? Thanks.
:facepalm:
Hiding your face is not very NOATworthy.
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@mhays83: Royals Sign Third Round Pick Bryan Brickhouse for $1.5 Million; Fans Still Waiting For Bubba Starling sbn.to/ocA5i0
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either way the royals come out ok.
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Everyone knew it would drag out until today. I have a feeling they will announce his signing during the game tonight. (Also- noticed Buster Posey signed as the #5 pick for $6 mil. Seems like the Royals $7.5 mil+ is a pretty strong offer.)
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either way the royals come out ok.
Yea, a 3/4 and a 6/7 pick next summer doesn't seem like a bad deal for not signing a guy that's a pretty high risk guy anyway. If he doesn't sign use the first pick next year on the best player available and with the second look at someone who's possibly closer to major league ready to try and help out the current wave of prospects.
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Everyone knew it would drag out until today. I have a feeling they will announce his signing during the game tonight. (Also- noticed Buster Posey signed as the #5 pick for $6 mil. Seems like the Royals $7.5 mil+ is a pretty strong offer.)
Not unless game lasts until 11:01 or maybe later.
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Yeah, guess Moose and Hos (both Boras guys) waited until the final minutes. Just kinda hoped the reason they haven't even mentioned Bubba tonight was to set up a surprise announcement. Hell, maybe he could even be watching the game from the owner's suite. (It was a nice fantasy anyway.)
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Heard he was home waiting for the lottery numbers to be announced. Pretty sweet that he already has the winning ticket.
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They are going to announce whether or not signed during the postgame deal. Also- Only 2 of the top 15 have signed so far. Lotta stuff going on for the next 20 mins.
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:excited: He signed!
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:excited: He signed!
link?
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SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
bubba starling deal is done with #royals
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:excited: He signed!
link?
No. I was lying. Get this dump heap off the football board.
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:excited: He signed!
link?
No. I was lying. Get this dump heap off the football board.
Turns out I'm a prophet (not surprising).
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http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2011/8/16/2364304/kansas-city-royals-sign-bubba-starling (http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2011/8/16/2364304/kansas-city-royals-sign-bubba-starling)
Somewhere, Bo is chomping his gum while breathing through his mouth, yelling so hard that he's spitting all over the place, and most likely pissing himself.
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gonna need some Nub message board posts.
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Baseball America says we signed him for 7.5 over 3 yrs. Because Boras was reportedly asking for 10 mil, it would seem that the Royals have, once again, negotiated with Boras in a very effective manner. Some of the douches who posted earlier in this thread have officially been outed as retards.
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7.5 million dollars > Tunnel Walking.
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Probably woulda been makin the same amount in college had he went to our sister big12 school, the texas fuckin longhorns, nubb denial should be pretty good, tia for posts
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heh
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My favorite trait of a Nub fan. They have no sense of reality when it comes to their team. I guess it is a bit admirable, or in the case that Bubba ever even thought about not signing with the Royals it is just dumbassness. Love the guy that thinks they should kill him because he would rather have 7.5 mil than be yelled at and spit on by Bo for 4 years.
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heh
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Good work, broXcore.
That last post was by the GBR?
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Gotta admit, it feels pretty good to be a Kansan right now.
Today should be Bubba Starling day or Kansas day.
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That last post was by the GBR?
i wish
there would be so many gems if we could find his reactions
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go big red, s60
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go big red, s60
Got it. My bad.
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"At least he's a Nebraska alum now...and a wealthy one at that!" -UniversalMike
Didn't know he graduated while there this summer. Doesn't surprise me at that diploma factory up in Lincoln.
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He'll sign with the Royals. Only the delusional NU fans believe he will stay at NU. My take from a NAOTFAN.
You guys still circle jerking about this? See above post....Meh. I'd be in K.C. smokin a cuban and laughing my ass off too. He's probably like MIG and knuckle deep in a KC fattie by now.
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Man, it's killing them. Killing. Them.
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"At least he's a Nebraska alum now...and a wealthy one at that!" -UniversalMike
Didn't know he graduated while there this summer. Doesn't surprise me at that diploma factory up in Lincoln.
An alum doesn't necessarily have to graduate. Not sure if he actually took a class or not. Not taking a class would keep him from being an alumnus. Just sayin, Nel.
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I just hope Nubb doesn't come after Bender, hard core now..... :ohno:
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Man, it's killing them. Killing. Them.
Not sure if serious?
The fans that have common sense knew he wasn't going to sign for us, and that's ok. He worked out and got to know the players during the summer. Probably his last real chance to feel like a kid.
I hope he does good and some how can help make the royals at least decent. When you're offered 7.5 million plus over 3 years, there really isn't a choice. It's good to hear that him and our players got along well though.
Don't act like this is a big deal state, it really isn't.
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Man, GbR is really butthurt over this whole Bubba deal. Someone better tell his sister/wife and kids to stay at her folk's house for a few days.
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Man, it's killing them. Killing. Them.
The fans that have common sense...
yeeeeeaaah...there's your issue.
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I never lost to bubba in anything. ANYTHING. :popscollar:
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Except the all important race to being a multi-millionaire.
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Man, GbR is really butthurt over this whole Bubba deal. Someone better tell his sister/wife and kids to stay at her folk's house for a few days.
Isn't the above bolded one in the same for you JT?? :dunno:
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Man, GbR is really butthurt over this whole Bubba deal. Someone better tell his sister/wife and kids to stay at her folk's house for a few days.
Isn't the above bolded one in the same for you JT?? :dunno:
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I never lost to bubba in anything. ANYTHING. :popscollar:
That's something. :thumbs:
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Does anyone here speak Nubb? I have no idea what GBR/HP is saying.
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Does anyone here speak Nubb? I have no idea what GBR/HP is saying.
I'll translate
GBR/HP : I'm Afraid of Texas
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Also, apparently Bubba is also AOT.
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Nothing bad about this pick at all. Dude was projected as the 3rd best player in the draft. Do you think the Royals should have not drafted him because he's local? :confused: And Boras won't be able to treat this as he normally would because if he forces Bubba to hold out, Bubba plays for Nubb and Scott doesn't get a dime.
I was right.
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If posting old arguments with JTKSU where you are right and he was wrong is a new thing I expect thousands of old threads to be bumped today
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How long until we make him the next Weeden?
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For those not ITK on Royals MiLB talent, Bubba isn't exactly on the fast track to KC...he's still 2 years young for the level he is playing at, but he isn't even breaking the Moustakas line (.150) this season.
He had Lasik 2 years ago, because his vision was crap, hasn't paid off yet...showed decent pop last year, especially given he was young for the level he was at, but he is totally overmatched this season at high A
I expect him to give it this year, and maybe next year, and if he doesn't pan out by the time he is 23, he will be a 24 year old Frosh QB somewhere in the Fall of 2016
Year Age AgeDif Tm Lg Lev Aff G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
2012 19 -1.2 Burlington APPY Rk KCR 53 232 200 35 55 8 2 10 33 10 1 28 70 0.275 0.371 0.485 0.856 97 2 3 0 1 2
2013 20 -1.6 Lexington SALL A KCR 125 498 435 51 105 21 4 13 63 22 3 53 128 0.241 0.329 0.398 0.727 173 8 6 0 4 1
2014 21 -2 Wilmington CARL A+ KCR 32 139 118 16 17 8 0 2 10 5 0 15 42 0.144 0.266 0.263 0.529 31 0 5 0 1 0
3 Seasons 210 869 753 102 177 37 6 25 106 37 4 96 240 0.235 0.33 0.4 0.73 301 10 14 0 6 3
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42 strikeouts and 31 total bases. That's like... stick the bat out and close your eyes until the ball hits it bad.
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Most pitchers bat better than this loser. And that's against major league pitching, too.
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He had Lasik 2 years ago, because his vision was crap, hasn't paid off yet...showed decent pop last year, especially given he was young for the level he was at, but he is totally overmatched this season at high A
Actually he had the surgery last year.
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If posting old arguments with JTKSU where you are right and he was wrong is a new thing I expect thousands of old threads to be bumped today
I could have quoted other people, but I didn't because I like them.
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He had Lasik 2 years ago, because his vision was crap, hasn't paid off yet...showed decent pop last year, especially given he was young for the level he was at, but he is totally overmatched this season at high A
Actually he had the surgery last year.
Absolutely correct, my mistake...it seemed a hell of a lot longer ago to me...found this little nugget today after I posted my comment above...
Hopefully, part of Starling's problem was similar to the one that faced Eric Hosmer when he was in Low-A: vision. 35 games into 2013, Starling did undergo LASIK eye surgery to correct some vision problems that he was having. According to Starling he was having a hard time seeing the spin of the baseball during night games (in 2013 night games, Starling hit just .226/.311/.370, while in day games he hit .291/.387/.485). If the eye issue truly was causing Starling the night time problems that he insisted it was, then perhaps Starling's true current talent level is closer to the .872 OPS that he posted during the day. Royals fans have to be hoping that is the case.
He did close out 2013 on a hot streak, hitting .333/.404/.595 in the final month of the season, but this year has been a dumpster fire so far
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He will be gone and Dayton will be forced out at the same time. Combine Bubba with Colon, Moose, Crow, Hoch and Zimmer and Dayton is awful at drafting
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if you have to really try to find reasons why a first round draft pick isn't totally awful in his third year of SINGLE A ball, then i would say it's a safe bet he will never be a contributor in the majors.
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He will be a stud. Just you wait. (No snark. (I am being serious. (not kidding (I am not trying to be funny. (Seriously. (This is not sarcasm.))))))
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He will be gone and Dayton will be forced out at the same time. Combine Bubba with Colon, Moose, Crow, Hoch and Zimmer and Dayton is awful at drafting
Moose was a fantastic draft pick. As close to can't-miss as you can get. Not Dayton's fault that Moose didn't pan out. The others you listed are fair, but Moose was universally thought of as a no-risk enormous stud HS prospect.
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Moose will be a stud, but probalby not in KC. That makes me sad.
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He will be gone and Dayton will be forced out at the same time. Combine Bubba with Colon, Moose, Crow, Hoch and Zimmer and Dayton is awful at drafting
Moose was a fantastic draft pick. As close to can't-miss as you can get. Not Dayton's fault that Moose didn't pan out. The others you listed are fair, but Moose was universally thought of as a no-risk enormous stud HS prospect.
Well, ruining a can't miss is also Dayton's fault
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He will be gone and Dayton will be forced out at the same time. Combine Bubba with Colon, Moose, Crow, Hoch and Zimmer and Dayton is awful at drafting
Moose was a fantastic draft pick. As close to can't-miss as you can get. Not Dayton's fault that Moose didn't pan out. The others you listed are fair, but Moose was universally thought of as a no-risk enormous stud HS prospect.
Aaron Crow has a 0 era this season. Hoch was nails last season (also can't miss prospect). Zimmer hasn't even been started up this year and is expected to be in the rotation next year. Colon is already at AAA.
You have to be pretty clueless about draft pick success rates to say Dayton mumped those up. We're still reeling from the Allard Baird days and rushing dudes to the majors.
Whoever drafted Tim Melville gets negative points though.
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Bubba will be fine. His other 4 tools are nails. :drool:
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He will be gone and Dayton will be forced out at the same time. Combine Bubba with Colon, Moose, Crow, Hoch and Zimmer and Dayton is awful at drafting
Moose was a fantastic draft pick. As close to can't-miss as you can get. Not Dayton's fault that Moose didn't pan out. The others you listed are fair, but Moose was universally thought of as a no-risk enormous stud HS prospect.
Aaron Crow has a 0 era this season. Hoch was nails last season (also can't miss prospect). Zimmer hasn't even been started up this year and is expected to be in the rotation next year. Colon is already at AAA.
You have to be pretty clueless about draft pick success rates to say Dayton mumped those up. We're still reeling from the Allard Baird days and rushing dudes to the majors.
Whoever drafted Tim Melville gets negative points though.
Not sure if serious, specially to bolded points...Colon was drafted in 2010 specifically because he was viewed by GMDM as a guy that would be quick to KC...the fact that he is only in AAA, and is widely panned as a AAAA player is a total indictment on GMDM's drafting skills.
Moose was viewed by several scouts as a "bad body" player by a number of scouts pre-draft...
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Bubba will be fine. His other 4 tools are nails. :drool:
Royals are proof that players with 4 tools and no hitting can get on in the majors.
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He will be a stud. Just you wait. (No snark. (I am being serious. (not kidding (I am not trying to be funny. (Seriously. (This is not sarcasm.))))))
So is winning 'em all in doubt now, I suppose?
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How long until we make him the next Weeden?
100% My thoughts when a buddy and I were watching the draft and discussing Weeden's career with the Browns.
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If posting old arguments with JTKSU where you are right and he was wrong is a new thing I expect thousands of old threads to be bumped today
I could have quoted other people, but I didn't because I like them.
One day, I'm going to show up at a Pak and shove a lot of dudes heads up other dudes asses.
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He will be gone and Dayton will be forced out at the same time. Combine Bubba with Colon, Moose, Crow, Hoch and Zimmer and Dayton is awful at drafting
Moose was a fantastic draft pick. As close to can't-miss as you can get. Not Dayton's fault that Moose didn't pan out. The others you listed are fair, but Moose was universally thought of as a no-risk enormous stud HS prospect.
Aaron Crow has a 0 era this season. Hoch was nails last season (also can't miss prospect). Zimmer hasn't even been started up this year and is expected to be in the rotation next year. Colon is already at AAA.
You have to be pretty clueless about draft pick success rates to say Dayton mumped those up. We're still reeling from the Allard Baird days and rushing dudes to the majors.
Whoever drafted Tim Melville gets negative points though.
2 middle relievers is your sign of success? Stick to the pit
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How many miles will Bubba have left when he is grad'ing as a 29y/o QB from Bill Synders Wilwildcats?
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He will be gone and Dayton will be forced out at the same time. Combine Bubba with Colon, Moose, Crow, Hoch and Zimmer and Dayton is awful at drafting
Moose was a fantastic draft pick. As close to can't-miss as you can get. Not Dayton's fault that Moose didn't pan out. The others you listed are fair, but Moose was universally thought of as a no-risk enormous stud HS prospect.
Aaron Crow has a 0 era this season. Hoch was nails last season (also can't miss prospect). Zimmer hasn't even been started up this year and is expected to be in the rotation next year. Colon is already at AAA.
You have to be pretty clueless about draft pick success rates to say Dayton mumped those up. We're still reeling from the Allard Baird days and rushing dudes to the majors.
Whoever drafted Tim Melville gets negative points though.
Not sure if serious, specially to bolded points...Colon was drafted in 2010 specifically because he was viewed by GMDM as a guy that would be quick to KC...the fact that he is only in AAA, and is widely panned as a AAAA player is a total indictment on GMDM's drafting skills.
Moose was viewed by several scouts as a "bad body" player by a number of scouts pre-draft...
Crow has a 0 era
Hoch was drafted in the first round twice out of college, pretty sure that qualifies as "can't miss"
Colon - not in the majors within 2.5 years is a disappointment? Okie
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If posting old arguments with JTKSU where you are right and he was wrong is a new thing I expect thousands of old threads to be bumped today
I could have quoted other people, but I didn't because I like them.
One day, I'm going to show up at a Pak and shove a lot of dudes heads up other dudes asses.
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OK, but I should know better than to talk Royals on this board, especially on the FB board, but whatever...
Aaron Crow has a 0 ERA. This year. In 15 IP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw9qqvm-LT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw9qqvm-LT8)
Now, I'll admit that for a guy whose velocity is down 3+ MPH from last year he has gotten good results in his appearances, but I in no way expect that trend to last much longer.
I'll even ignore that ERA is maybe not even in the top-5 best metrics in which to judge pitchers anymore.
Christian Colon are you SERIOUSLY implying that CC has been a good draft pick? We selected him 4th overall in the 2010 draft, again because GMDM viewed him as a Fast Track to KC type of player. And, for reference, 2010 was 4 years ago, not 2.5. The fact that he is spending his third season in Omaha isn't a feather in GMDM's cap, it is an embarrassingly bad draft pick, from a really good draft that they are hoping that just turns into a serviceable version of Willie Bloomquist some day. Now, we have a 2B under contract for 4 years, a SS under contract for 5 years, and a gaping ginormous hole at 3B that everybody but GMDM & #Yosted has seen coming for 2+ years, and they have had Colon play 3B exactly TWICE in those three seasons, so we can't even hope that he can offer org depth when Moustakas is finally demoted 1,000 or so AB's too late.
Hochevar You are confusing 'safe' with 'can't miss'...GMDM has never taken credit (or blame) the the Hochevar pick because he was still in ATL for the '06 Draft. The '06 draft was orchestrated by JJ Piccolo. They took Hochevar, if for no other reason than there was no GM on duty at that time to pre-negotiate a deal with a kid, so they took the kid that had first round talent, and ZERO leverage so they knew they'd sign him. That draft pick was a safe, signable pick...nothing more.
The single best draft pick that GMDM has made was Greg Holland. The second best draft pick has been Eric Hosmer (could have taken Buster Posey instead of course). Aaron Crow is nothing more than an OK 1st round pick (3.4 WAR in his career...who went 13 picks after Crow? Mike Trout, who already has 22.6 WAR or almost double the WAR than all of GMDM's 1st & 2nd round picks combined). Basically all of his other draft picks have been garbage (though I agree Zimmer has a chance to tun into something, but I don't want to get into the non-injured players we could have taken that year (Wacha) because it will just add more fuel to my argument)
GMDM does one thing exceptionally well...talk David Glass into forking over more $$ than he wants to. He does a couple of things fairly well...like building a bullpen, and finding talent in Latin America (and locking up that talent to below market deals). He is a crap drafter, and a shitty judge of managerial candidates.
:buh-bye:
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His crappy judge of managers is his worst fault.
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Why did it take mike trout so long to get drafted?
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Seems like he was swimming upstream or something
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Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean :lol:
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Also, apparently Bubba is also AOT.
What's AOT?
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Seems like he was swimming upstream or something
:)
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Also, apparently Bubba is also AOT.
What's AOT?
Afraid Of Texas (Just Like Nubb)
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Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean :lol:
You don't understand: 1) the value of relief pitching, 2) the probability that a draft pick makes it to the bigs at all, let alone becomes a solid contributor, 3) semantics.
I think it's pretty stupid to write off a 21 year old 3 weeks into his first stint in high A ball who can run, throw, field and hit for power, but Kat Kid does and he's an idiot.
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Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean :lol:
You don't understand: 1) the value of relief pitching, 2) the probability that a draft pick makes it to the bigs at all, let alone becomes a solid contributor, 3) semantics.
I think it's pretty stupid to write off a 21 year old 3 weeks into his first stint in high A ball who can run, throw, field and hit for power, but Kat Kid does and he's an idiot.
1) Yes, GM's all over baseball are clamoring to hopefully be lucky enough to draft a 7th inning relief pitcher with the 12th pick in the rough ridin' draft.
2) Yes, even first round draft picks don't always make it to the Big Leagues. Do some research on Top 10 College Senior Draft picks like Colon and tell me how many of them have spent 3 seasons in AAA...spoiler alert - between 2006-2012 Christian Colon is the ONLY 4 year college Position Player drafted in the top 10 that hasn't played in the Major Leagues
3) Even if your spot on analysis of Luke Hochevar being considered 'can't miss' is correct (which it isn't), let's look at who we didn't draft that also went int he first round that year...Evan Longoria, Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincecum, Max Scherzer, hell even a 7th inning bullpen guy like Joba Chamberlain would have been a better #1 Overall pick than Hoch.
You are defending the indefensible :facepalm:
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Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean :lol:
You don't understand: 1) the value of relief pitching, 2) the probability that a draft pick makes it to the bigs at all, let alone becomes a solid contributor, 3) semantics.
I think it's pretty stupid to write off a 21 year old 3 weeks into his first stint in high A ball who can run, throw, field and hit for power, but Kat Kid does and he's an idiot.
1) Yes, GM's all over baseball are clamoring to hopefully be lucky enough to draft a 7th inning relief pitcher with the 12th pick in the rough ridin' draft.
2) Yes, even first round draft picks don't always make it to the Big Leagues. Do some research on Top 10 College Senior Draft picks like Colon and tell me how many of them have spent 3 seasons in AAA...spoiler alert - between 2006-2012 Christian Colon is the ONLY 4 year college Position Player drafted in the top 10 that hasn't played in the Major Leagues
3) Even if your spot on analysis of Luke Hochevar being considered 'can't miss' is correct (which it isn't), let's look at who we didn't draft that also went in the first round that year...Evan Longoria, Clayton Kershaw, Tim Lincecum, Max Scherzer, hell even a 7th inning bullpen guy like Joba Chamberlain would have been a better #1 Overall pick than Hoch.
You are defending the indefensible :facepalm:
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Bragging about a relief pitcher's ERA :lol:
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Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean :lol:
You don't understand: 1) the value of relief pitching, 2) the probability that a draft pick makes it to the bigs at all, let alone becomes a solid contributor, 3) semantics.
I think it's pretty stupid to write off a 21 year old 3 weeks into his first stint in high A ball who can run, throw, field and hit for power, but Kat Kid does and he's an idiot.
Last year the Royals put together what could probably be considered one of the best ever seasons of bullpen work in the history of baseball: 1) tons of innings 2) very few blown leads 3) very low ERA/WHIP etc.
The Royals did not make the playoffs despite there being more teams that made the playoff than ever before.
I'm not saying that bullpens are worthless, I'm just saying that the Tigers and the Red Sox had atrocious bullpens last year and they played each other in the ALCS.
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stop talking about baseball you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) retards
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Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean :lol:
You don't understand: 1) the value of relief pitching, 2) the probability that a draft pick makes it to the bigs at all, let alone becomes a solid contributor, 3) semantics.
I think it's pretty stupid to write off a 21 year old 3 weeks into his first stint in high A ball who can run, throw, field and hit for power, but Kat Kid does and he's an idiot.
Last year the Royals put together what could probably be considered one of the best ever seasons of bullpen work in the history of baseball: 1) tons of innings 2) very few blown leads 3) very low ERA/WHIP etc.
The Royals did not make the playoffs despite there being more teams that made the playoff than ever before.
I'm not saying that bullpens are worthless, I'm just saying that the Tigers and the Red Sox had atrocious bullpens last year and they played each other in the ALCS.
And Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, we know.
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Oh my god fsd is actually bragging about a relief pitchers ERA. I mean :lol:
You don't understand: 1) the value of relief pitching, 2) the probability that a draft pick makes it to the bigs at all, let alone becomes a solid contributor, 3) semantics.
I think it's pretty stupid to write off a 21 year old 3 weeks into his first stint in high A ball who can run, throw, field and hit for power, but Kat Kid does and he's an idiot.
Last year the Royals put together what could probably be considered one of the best ever seasons of bullpen work in the history of baseball: 1) tons of innings 2) very few blown leads 3) very low ERA/WHIP etc.
The Royals did not make the playoffs despite there being more teams that made the playoff than ever before.
I'm not saying that bullpens are worthless, I'm just saying that the Tigers and the Red Sox had atrocious bullpens last year and they played each other in the ALCS.
And Trent Dilfer won a super bowl, we know.
also, Russell and Eli Manning x2 and Flacco.
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Why in the HELL is this Baseball thread doing on the Football board?!?!?!
Mods!!! (not you KK)
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Why in the HELL is this Baseball thread doing on the Football board?!?!?!
Mods!!! (not you KK)
Cause this was made before Bubba chose baseball over the Nubbs.
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Why in the HELL is this Baseball thread doing on the Football board?!?!?!
Mods!!! (not you KK)
Cause this was made before Bubba chose baseball over the Nubbs.
Master Threads... :facepalm:
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Why in the HELL is this Baseball thread doing on the Football board?!?!?!
Mods!!! (not you KK)
Cause this was made before Bubba chose baseball over the Nubbs.
Master Threads... :facepalm:
I feel like this is the master Bubba Starling thread.
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Why in the HELL is this Baseball thread doing on the Football board?!?!?!
Mods!!! (not you KK)
Cause this was made before Bubba chose baseball over the Nubbs.
Master Threads... :facepalm:
I feel like this is the master Bubba Starling thread.
Me too. (BTW, I see no way Bubba makes it in baseball. Makes me sad).
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Why in the HELL is this Baseball thread doing on the Football board?!?!?!
Mods!!! (not you KK)
Cause this was made before Bubba chose baseball over the Nubbs.
Master Threads... :facepalm:
I feel like this is the master Bubba Starling thread.
We all expect Bubba to pull a Weeden right? So this is the right board. CASE CLOSED.
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This kid found his level at Rookie ball. I mean, he's rather lousy at baseball.
Do we have someone talking to him, or is he an NU lock when he goes to college? (2015 season, I'm guessing.)
- 2012 (Rk ball): .275 avg., .485 slg.
- 2013 (A ball): .241 avg., .398 slg.
- 2014 (A+ ball): .211 avg., .332 slg.
Actually, this strikes me as just the kind of guy Weis has had great luck talking into going to KU...
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This kid found his level at Rookie ball. I mean, he's rather lousy at baseball.
Do we have someone talking to him, or is he an NU lock when he goes to college? (2015 season, I'm guessing.)
- 2012 (Rk ball): .275 avg., .485 slg.
- 2013 (A ball): .241 avg., .398 slg.
- 2014 (A+ ball): .211 avg., .332 slg.
Actually, this strikes me as just the kind of guy Weis has had great luck talking into going to KU...
He only sucks at baseball so far. Weis poaches the guys who suck at football.
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He won't go to ku. Too close to home. He needs to get away from every JoCo person seeing him and daily asking about what happened with the whole Royals thing.
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Being a millionaire and going to college would be a lot of fun. Especially with a full ride. :love:
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loser
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loser
I worry that it is the Royals' stink rubbed all over him.
Maybe we could purge that? :dunno:
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his high school numbers weren't that good. Royals should have known he can't hit good pitching
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Wait, you guys are telling me a Gardner native went out into the world and sucked at his job? Don't believe you.
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I feel like him sketti-brains'ing it up at KSU as a WildWildCat could make him forget his time as a losery ball player. May work well for us too :dunno: