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Title: Updated Bracketology
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 22, 2010, 11:47:33 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)

I like this.  Possibly Ohio St. in the 16, and Cuse in the Elite 8. 
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: kougar24 on February 22, 2010, 11:55:20 AM
I don't like either of those possibilities. Cuse would destroy us.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: weird roberts foam finger on February 22, 2010, 11:58:45 AM
That West Region pretty much sucks too.  Only thing I like about this projection is K-State as a No. 2 seed.

 :kstatriot:
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 22, 2010, 12:04:15 PM
I don't like either of those possibilities. Cuse would destroy us.

Agreed. I like our chances if Purdue is the #1 in our region.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: get_HIT on February 22, 2010, 12:08:15 PM
Cuse would not destroy us.  Hard to argue that ANY team is hard pressed to beat us if Dennis is hittin like he has been and if Jake is hittin like he was earlier in the year.  If they aren't, yes they would kill us. 
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2010, 12:09:08 PM
Cuse would not destroy us.  Hard to argue that ANY team is hard pressed to beat us if Dennis is hittin like he has been and if Jake is hittin like he was earlier in the year.  If they aren't, yes they would kill us. 

I think it's spelled Dennnis with three n's.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: Pete on February 22, 2010, 12:13:22 PM
Syracuse is THE worst matchup for us in the entire bracket.  I think that they beat us by 50 points.  :cry:
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: MakeItRain on February 22, 2010, 12:14:22 PM


Ohio State is no joke.  Evan Turner is a first team all-american and will finish 2nd place for the national POY.  They have awesome complementary pieces as well like Jon Diebler, Dallas Lauderdale, and Dave Lighty.  No thanks I'd rather take an A-10, SEC, or ACC team in the sweet 16 (http://I like this.  Possibly Ohio St. in the 16, and Cuse in the Elite 8. 
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Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 22, 2010, 12:18:12 PM
Cuse would not destroy us.  Hard to argue that ANY team is hard pressed to beat us if Dennis is hittin like he has been and if Jake is hittin like he was earlier in the year.  If they aren't, yes they would kill us.  


Exactly. But Dennnnnis and Jake only have one tournament win under their belt. How crazy are their nerves going to be going throughout the tournament? Granted the first game will help out a lot. But still, I don't see them hitting shots as comfortably throughout the tournament as they have been against teams like NU and OU. Neither of them made a 3 against Tejas, and Dennnnis only made one against UK. Teams with little experience in the tournament rarely do well in it.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 22, 2010, 12:24:45 PM
I don't think Cuse has the depth we do.  Only 7 of their players have played in all 27 games this season, with their 8th most player playing in only 16 games.  Sounds like if it is a big game, only 7 guys will see major playing time.  

Not saying this would be the best matchup for us, but I like it better than Kentucky.  Purdue would be ideal, but I think Purdue will be knocked out of a 1 seed by the time the tournament gets here (@Minnesota and Mich. St. next 2 games).  
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: Pett on February 22, 2010, 12:26:28 PM
I don't like either of those possibilities.

QFT. And Maryland in the second round? No.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: pissclams on February 22, 2010, 12:28:43 PM
I don't think Cuse has the depth we do.  Only 7 of their players have played in all 27 games this season, with their 8th most player playing in only 16 games.  Sounds like if it is a big game, only 7 guys will see major playing time.  

Not saying this would be the best matchup for us, but I like it better than Kentucky.  Purdue would be ideal, but I think Purdue will be knocked out of a 1 seed by the time the tournament gets here (@Minnesota and Mich. St. next 2 games).  
agreed.  i think a game against syracuse would go down similar to the texas game.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 22, 2010, 12:28:49 PM
Cuse would not destroy us.  Hard to argue that ANY team is hard pressed to beat us if Dennis is hittin like he has been and if Jake is hittin like he was earlier in the year.  If they aren't, yes they would kill us.  


Exactly. But Dennnnnis and Jake only have one tournament win under their belt. How crazy are their nerves going to be going throughout the tournament? Granted the first game will help out a lot. But still, I don't see them hitting shots as comfortably throughout the tournament as they have been against teams like NU and OU. Neither of them made a 3 against Tejas, and Dennnnis only made one against UK. Teams with little experience in the tournament rarely do well in it.

I understand where you are coming from, but how many teams have not made the tournament one year and entered the tournament as a top 10 team the next?
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: yadig? on February 22, 2010, 12:30:49 PM
Cuse's Zone.... :flush:
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: pissclams on February 22, 2010, 12:32:37 PM
Cuse's Zone.... :flush:
baylor's zone  :flush:
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: Pete on February 22, 2010, 12:33:18 PM
Cuse's Zone.... :flush:

My point exactly.  Unless Deni's rough ridin' trick shots are "on," a zone kills us.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 22, 2010, 12:33:49 PM
Also, even though I said I don't see Purdue being a 1 seed by tourney time, they still have 11 guys who have played in 20+ games this season (more depth than us).  I'm now thinking Purdue would be a harder matchup than Cuse unless we match up better talent for talent.  
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: kso_FAN on February 22, 2010, 12:34:42 PM
K-State fans; we are going to face good teams in the tournament if we make it to the 2nd weekend.  We will probably see someone pretty decent in the 2nd round.  Some match-ups could be better than others, but regardless if we get to the Sweet 16 whoever we play is going to be dang good.  

Even though we haven't really been there, at least try to act like we've been there.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 22, 2010, 12:36:22 PM
Cuse's Zone.... :flush:

My point exactly.  Unless Deni's fracking trick shots are "on," a zone kills us.

We started to play zone a bit better by passing the ball down to our posts to create open 3's.  Even if Clemente is cold, we have been able to count on Pullen hitting a few to keep them honest.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: kougar24 on February 22, 2010, 12:37:11 PM
K-State fans; we are going to face good teams in the tournament if we make it to the 2nd weekend.  We will probably see someone pretty decent in the 2nd round.  Some match-ups could be better than others, but regardless if we get to the Sweet 16 whoever we play is going to be dang good.  

Even though we haven't really been there, at least try to act like we've been there.

There are good teams out there that are far better matchups for us than freaking Syracuse.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: Bookcat on February 22, 2010, 12:38:02 PM
K-State fans; we are going to face good teams in the tournament if we make it to the 2nd weekend.  We will probably see someone pretty decent in the 2nd round.  Some match-ups could be better than others, but regardless if we get to the Sweet 16 whoever we play is going to be dang good.  

Even though we haven't really been there, at least try to act like we've been there.

I want to play Belmont six times in a row for the title.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 22, 2010, 12:39:18 PM
K-State fans; we are going to face good teams in the tournament if we make it to the 2nd weekend.  We will probably see someone pretty decent in the 2nd round.  Some match-ups could be better than others, but regardless if we get to the Sweet 16 whoever we play is going to be dang good.  

Even though we haven't really been there, at least try to act like we've been there.

There are good teams out there that are far better matchups for us than freaking Syracuse.

Far better #1 seed matchups?  Would you rather play KU or Kentucky than Cuse?  Cuse got outplayed by Louisville at home in front of 35,000 fans.  
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: catzacker on February 22, 2010, 12:40:10 PM
K-State fans; we are going to face good teams in the tournament if we make it to the 2nd weekend.  We will probably see someone pretty decent in the 2nd round.  Some match-ups could be better than others, but regardless if we get to the Sweet 16 whoever we play is going to be dang good.  

Even though we haven't really been there, at least try to act like we've been there.

this.  we've beaten two 8's (UNLV, Baylor) and a 12 (Dayton) on the road or at a nuetral site.  Our best win would be a home win against a 5 (UT).  I'm sure other 2's have similar records, but like, cheer for upsets if we want a "good bracket".  
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: kso_FAN on February 22, 2010, 12:40:30 PM
K-State fans; we are going to face good teams in the tournament if we make it to the 2nd weekend.  We will probably see someone pretty decent in the 2nd round.  Some match-ups could be better than others, but regardless if we get to the Sweet 16 whoever we play is going to be dang good.  

Even though we haven't really been there, at least try to act like we've been there.

There are good teams out there that are far better matchups for us than freaking Syracuse.

Why?  

We seemed to handle Baylors athletic 2-3 zone just fine.  

I don't know who out of the likely 1 seeds would be a better match-up, I just know if we are playing Syracuse its likely in the Elite 8.  I'm not going to be too picky about who we play at the point.  
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: slimz on February 22, 2010, 12:40:44 PM
If I've learned one thing from listening to my ku acquaintances over the years, it's that the hoops committee always screws over high seeds when it comes to tourney matchups.  Looking forward to getting to complain about it.   :cool:  
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 22, 2010, 12:46:22 PM
K-State fans; we are going to face good teams in the tournament if we make it to the 2nd weekend.  We will probably see someone pretty decent in the 2nd round.  Some match-ups could be better than others, but regardless if we get to the Sweet 16 whoever we play is going to be dang good.  

Even though we haven't really been there, at least try to act like we've been there.

There are good teams out there that are far better matchups for us than freaking Syracuse.

Why?  

We seemed to handle Baylors athletic 2-3 zone just fine.  

I don't know who out of the likely 1 seeds would be a better match-up, I just know if we are playing Syracuse its likely in the Elite 8.  I'm not going to be too picky about who we play at the point.  

This

rough ridin' ELITE 8
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: slimz on February 22, 2010, 12:52:37 PM
K-State fans; we are going to face good teams in the tournament if we make it to the 2nd weekend.  We will probably see someone pretty decent in the 2nd round.  Some match-ups could be better than others, but regardless if we get to the Sweet 16 whoever we play is going to be dang good.  

Even though we haven't really been there, at least try to act like we've been there.

There are good teams out there that are far better matchups for us than freaking Syracuse.

Why?  

We seemed to handle Baylors athletic 2-3 zone just fine.  

I don't know who out of the likely 1 seeds would be a better match-up, I just know if we are playing Syracuse its likely in the Elite 8.  I'm not going to be too picky about who we play at the point.  

No offense, FAN, but comparing Baylor's zone to Syracuse's zone might be a bit of a stretch.  Kind of like saying we should be able to defend Texas Tech's spread offense because we handled Iowa State's spread offense.

But you're right that we shouldn't really worry about who we play past the first couple of rounds.  Any team we play will present problems.  We have the tools to defeat the zone if the players perform.  
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: kougar24 on February 22, 2010, 12:53:34 PM
K-State fans; we are going to face good teams in the tournament if we make it to the 2nd weekend.  We will probably see someone pretty decent in the 2nd round.  Some match-ups could be better than others, but regardless if we get to the Sweet 16 whoever we play is going to be dang good.  

Even though we haven't really been there, at least try to act like we've been there.

There are good teams out there that are far better matchups for us than freaking Syracuse.

Why?  

We seemed to handle Baylors athletic 2-3 zone just fine.  

I don't know who out of the likely 1 seeds would be a better match-up, I just know if we are playing Syracuse its likely in the Elite 8.  I'm not going to be too picky about who we play at the point.  

Don't compare Baylor's zone to Cuse's, you know better than that. And I won't be picky at that level either, but on Feb. 22nd, when this is all we have to discuss, I would prefer a top seed not named Syracuse. I think UK (the real one, Ashley Judd's UK) would be a much better matchup for us than Cuse, actually.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: CrushNasty on February 22, 2010, 12:55:52 PM
On that bracket, if we had to play a 7, 3, 1 (the highest seeds possible) I would want to play Richmond, New Mexico, Purdue  :love:
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: kso_FAN on February 22, 2010, 12:56:17 PM
Look, I didn't say that Baylor was anything near Syracuse.  And their match-up style 2-3 is not what Drew runs.  

But looking at who we've played, I think its the best comparison b/c Syracuse has long athletic players like Baylor does, just more of them and better ones.  But a 2-3 zone concept combined with long athletes is what we'll see against Syracuse, though the structure of the zone and the movements within it are much different.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: CNS on February 22, 2010, 12:59:07 PM
Cuse's Zone.... :flush:

My point exactly.  Unless Deni's fracking trick shots are "on," a zone kills us.

Yep.  We only have one way to win this game.  To kill the zone with outside shots until they abandon the zone, or spread it out. 

They keep a tight zone= we lose and the game is damn near unwatchable for both fan bases.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2010, 01:03:56 PM
To kill the zone with outside shots until they abandon the zone

You realize we're talking about Syracuse, right?
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: kso_FAN on February 22, 2010, 01:09:20 PM
To me its all relative once you get to the Elite 8.  Yeah, Syracuse's defense/scheme may make them tougher, but the biggest thing that makes them good is that they have really good players.  So does UK and KU.  Probably the team with the fewest really good players is Purdue, but they are still very good. 
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: WildcatNkilt on February 22, 2010, 01:12:21 PM
To kill the zone with outside shots until they abandon the zone

You realize we're talking about Syracuse, right?

We could try to go inside and create foul problems.  Since their depth sucks, putting any one of their starters in foul trouble would be huge.  
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: pissclams on February 22, 2010, 01:16:36 PM
could I get a mod/someone to rename this thread "Updated Retardology" 

mods?

a zone by anyone will be the least of our problems when it comes to matching up in the tournament.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on February 22, 2010, 01:24:56 PM
It is kind of funny that for the first year in a very long time we have a multiple three point threats, and everyone is all  :ohno: over zone defense.  God help our opponent in a game when Denis, Jake, and our 3 are all hitting them.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: Ira Hayes on February 22, 2010, 01:32:19 PM
The important thing to note is that the 3 through 6 seeds are a big jumbled mess.  There is almost no advantage of being a 1 seed vs a 2 seed.

Also, it looks like a pretty solid bet that we will be in OKC for the first round.  That's huge.

Personally, I hope we get a crack at Kentucky.  
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: kougar24 on February 22, 2010, 01:41:59 PM
It's not just Cuse's zone, that isn't the only reason they'd be a bad matchup for us. They have huge, long guards and are a good outside shooting team. I think they're better than UK. I'm not even sure UK will make it to the E8. :dunno:
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: ew2x4 on February 22, 2010, 02:06:28 PM
K-State fans; we are going to face good teams in the tournament if we make it to the 2nd weekend.  We will probably see someone pretty decent in the 2nd round.  Some match-ups could be better than others, but regardless if we get to the Sweet 16 whoever we play is going to be dang good.  

Even though we haven't really been there, at least try to act like we've been there.

There are good teams out there that are far better matchups for us than freaking Syracuse.

Why?  

We seemed to handle Baylors athletic 2-3 zone just fine.  

I don't know who out of the likely 1 seeds would be a better match-up, I just know if we are playing Syracuse its likely in the Elite 8.  I'm not going to be too picky about who we play at the point.  

Don't compare Baylor's zone to Cuse's, you know better than that. And I won't be picky at that level either, but on Feb. 22nd, when this is all we have to discuss, I would prefer a top seed not named Syracuse. I think UK (the real one, Ashley Judd's UK) would be a much better matchup for us than Cuse, actually.

Wall vs Clemente could be legendary.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: canadian_breeze on February 22, 2010, 02:49:16 PM
K-State fans; we are going to face good teams in the tournament if we make it to the 2nd weekend.  We will probably see someone pretty decent in the 2nd round.  Some match-ups could be better than others, but regardless if we get to the Sweet 16 whoever we play is going to be dang good.  

Even though we haven't really been there, at least try to act like we've been there.

There are good teams out there that are far better matchups for us than freaking Syracuse.

Why?  

We seemed to handle Baylors athletic 2-3 zone just fine.  

I don't know who out of the likely 1 seeds would be a better match-up, I just know if we are playing Syracuse its likely in the Elite 8.  I'm not going to be too picky about who we play at the point.  

Don't compare Baylor's zone to Cuse's, you know better than that. And I won't be picky at that level either, but on Feb. 22nd, when this is all we have to discuss, I would prefer a top seed not named Syracuse. I think UK (the real one, Ashley Judd's UK) would be a much better matchup for us than Cuse, actually.

Wall vs Clemente could be legendary.
:drool:
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: kougar24 on February 22, 2010, 03:06:14 PM
K-State fans; we are going to face good teams in the tournament if we make it to the 2nd weekend.  We will probably see someone pretty decent in the 2nd round.  Some match-ups could be better than others, but regardless if we get to the Sweet 16 whoever we play is going to be dang good. 

Even though we haven't really been there, at least try to act like we've been there.

There are good teams out there that are far better matchups for us than freaking Syracuse.

Why? 

We seemed to handle Baylors athletic 2-3 zone just fine. 

I don't know who out of the likely 1 seeds would be a better match-up, I just know if we are playing Syracuse its likely in the Elite 8.  I'm not going to be too picky about who we play at the point. 

Don't compare Baylor's zone to Cuse's, you know better than that. And I won't be picky at that level either, but on Feb. 22nd, when this is all we have to discuss, I would prefer a top seed not named Syracuse. I think UK (the real one, Ashley Judd's UK) would be a much better matchup for us than Cuse, actually.

Wall vs Clemente could be legendary.

As could Cousins v. Colon.

Kidding.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: EllToPay on February 22, 2010, 03:09:46 PM
Wouldn't mind seeing Kelly on Cousins, as I really think Kelly is pretty underrated as a defender.

Wall would drop 40 on Clemente, although it would be Pullen on Wall.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 22, 2010, 04:27:06 PM


Ohio State is no joke.  Evan Turner is a first team all-american and will finish 2nd place for the national POY.  They have awesome complementary pieces as well like Jon Diebler, Dallas Lauderdale, and Dave Lighty.  No thanks I'd rather take an A-10, SEC, or ACC team in the sweet 16
 (http://I like this.  Possibly Ohio St. in the 16, and Cuse in the Elite 8. 
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The day I run scared from a team with a loser named "Dallas Lauderdale" is the day I put down my basketball only fan hand sign for ever. 
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: sys on February 22, 2010, 05:33:43 PM
that bracket sucks because it's loaded with teams that are better than their seeds.


lmao @ you tards that are scared of zones.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: Johnny Thunderbone on February 22, 2010, 05:46:02 PM
even though I said I don't see Purdue being a 1 seed by tourney time, they still have 11 guys who have played in 20+ games this season (more depth than us).

We have 10 guys that have played 20+ games to their 10.  We have 10 guys playing 10+ minutes a game to their 8.  Sure, they have 16 players, but arguing depth is a moot point here.
Title: Re: Updated Bracketology
Post by: pissclams on February 22, 2010, 05:50:29 PM
that bracket sucks because it's loaded with teams that are better than their seeds.


lmao @ you tards that are scared of zones.
but it's not just any zone, it's the syrazone   :ohno: